20111123

General Agenda Items and Proposals

Who

What

gilir

Plan for the website lubuntu.net

gilir

PowerPC ISO

Mohi

Old PC supporting or New Kernel for 12.04

Stephen Smally

LxPanel developing status

Location

Lubuntu Team Meeting

Place

  • IRC: irc.freenode.org
  • Channel: #ubuntu-meeting
  • Webchat link

Time

Logs

#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting

Meeting started by gilir at 20:04:23 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-23-20.04.log.txt .

Meeting summary

  • Plan for the website lubuntu.net

ACTION: Send a reminder about Website_Plan wiki page (gilir, 20:23:45)

  • PowerPC ISO

ACTION: Send a mail about ISO testing to the mailing list for Alpha 1 (gilir, 20:34:44) ACTION: Put an item about ARM images for next meeting (gilir, 20:38:09)

  • Old PC supporting or New Kernel for 12.04
  • LxPanel developing status

ACTION: Send comments about lxscreenshot to stephen-smally (gilir, 21:01:46)

Meeting ended at 21:05:16 UTC.

Votes

Action items

  • Send a reminder about Website_Plan wiki page
  • Send a mail about ISO testing to the mailing list for Alpha 1
  • Put an item about ARM images for next meeting
  • Send comments about lxscreenshot to stephen-smally

Action items, by person

  • stephen-smally
  • * Send comments about lxscreenshot to stephen-smally

* **UNASSIGNED**

  • * Send a reminder about Website_Plan wiki page
  • * Send a mail about ISO testing to the mailing list for Alpha 1
  • * Put an item about ARM images for next meeting

People present (lines said)

  • gilir (86)
  • stephen-smally (31)
  • michaelrawson (24)
  • jmarsden|work (12)
  • bioterror (12)
  • M0hi (9)
  • meetingology (7)
  • wxl (7)
  • Yorvyk (7)
  • Sarvatt (3)
  • cjohnston (3)
  • frankbooth (1)

Full Log

  • 20:04:23 <gilir> #startmeeting

    20:04:23 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 23 20:04:23 2011 UTC. The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.

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    20:04:49 <gilir> Welcome to the 1st lubuntu team meeting Smile :)

    20:04:54 <M0hi> o/

    20:05:03 <gilir> let me explain the rules first Smile :)

    20:05:35 <gilir> Agenda is available on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

    20:06:11 <gilir> the meeting will last 1 hour, any items left will be discussed next week

    20:06:41 <gilir> logs, actions etc ... will be available on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20111123 for this meeting

    20:07:37 <gilir> if you have any questions during the meeting, raise your hand : o/

    20:08:36 <gilir> I will go with the different items of the agenda from people who are here Smile :)

    20:08:46 <stephen-smally> Hi, i'm here

    20:09:05 <gilir> just in time Smile :)

    20:09:28 <gilir> [TOPIC] Plan for the website lubuntu.net

    20:10:03 <gilir> So, people expressed some concerns about the website

    20:10:19 <gilir> I think we are all agree that it needs some work :p

    20:10:20 <M0hi> gilir, Are we supposed/allowed to maintain a separate site for the OS ?

    20:10:49 <gilir> M0hi, you mean separate from the wiki page ?

    20:10:58 <michaelrawson> xubuntu & kubuntu have their own.

    20:11:14 <M0hi> gilir, yes

    20:11:19 <bioterror> kubuntu has own, so does xubuntu

    20:11:54 <gilir> yes, you can do more things than on the wiki

    20:12:03 <jmarsden|work> Terminology: GNU/Linux is the OS, Ubuntu is the distribution, Lubutu is the flavour. We can have a dedicated web site for the Lubutu flavour of Ubuntu, yes.

    20:12:19 <M0hi> Okies

    20:12:35 <michaelrawson> o/

    20:12:48 <gilir> I put a page on the wiki, to gather some ideas : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Website_Plan

    20:13:08 <gilir> yes michaelrawson

    20:13:30 <michaelrawson> I think amjjawad and morgaes were cooking up some prototypes for the site....

    20:13:54 <michaelrawson> do they know about the page and were are they today?

    20:14:01 <michaelrawson> *where are they

    20:14:10 <gilir> yes, and rafael also have ideas about the website

    20:14:21 <gilir> I hope, I posted it on the mailing list

    20:14:37 <michaelrawson> okay, as long as they know. Smile :)

    20:15:14 <gilir> we also discussed with Mario about this, I'll put our ideas also on the wiki

    20:15:21 <cjohnston> I would be willing to help with the website. Especially the getting it hosted by Canonical.. I have a good working relationship with IS

    20:15:39 <cjohnston> Not saying I can get it approved to be hosted, but if it does get approved, working with IS on making it happen

    20:15:57 <michaelrawson> While I can't web design as such, I can check for basic errors like spell checks .

    20:16:07 <gilir> thanks cjohnston Smile :) hopefully we fixed our hosting problem recently Smile :)

    20:16:31 <gilir> our main problem now, is more on the content and the technicals issues

    20:16:46 <cjohnston> Right

    20:17:10 <michaelrawson> and the layout. IMO.

    20:17:29 <gilir> ok, so I encourage every people who have ideas to put them on the wiki page

    20:18:15 <gilir> we can summarize them after

    20:18:25 <jmarsden|work> How the lubuntu.net web site relates to Lubuntu wiki content is also a major issue. Duplicating everything would be bad.

    20:18:54 <stephen-smally> we should redirect to the wiki for more specific infos

    20:18:54 <gilir> yes (for michaelrawson and jmarsden|work )

    20:19:29 <gilir> IMO, wiki should be for documentation and team organization, and only hosted by the wiki

    20:19:54 <Yorvyk> So we need to decide what the Lubuntu.net is for

    20:20:04 <michaelrawson> maybe (like ubuntu) "best of the wiki" could be put in the official documentation?

    20:20:36 <stephen-smally> michaelrawson: agree, why not put the content in the main page (of the wiki) in the website

    20:20:53 <gilir> well for me wiki = wiki.ubuntu.com + help.ubuntu.com

    20:21:13 <michaelrawson> me too. but yelp (?) integrates with it (?)

    20:22:05 <gilir> michaelrawson, that's another problem Smile :) to be able to have documentation offline on the system

    20:22:46 <gilir> well, many people who raised concerns about the website are not here Smile :)

    20:22:58 <michaelrawson> move on to next topic?

    20:23:10 <gilir> so I propose to send a reminder on the mailing list

    20:23:20 <M0hi> Okies

    20:23:21 <gilir> and move to the next topic ?

    20:23:32 <M0hi> M0hi, No #action needed?

    20:23:37 <michaelrawson> agree gilir

    20:23:43 <stephen-smally> agree

    20:23:45 <gilir> [ACTION] Send a reminder about Website_Plan wiki page 20:23:45 * meetingology Send a reminder about Website_Plan wiki page

    20:24:08 <bioterror> o/

    20:24:16 <gilir> yes bioterror

    20:24:36 <bioterror> could the website be more like xubuntu and kubuntu has it?, Get Lubuntu, Get help & Support and Get Involved

    20:24:48 <bioterror> I think that's really good, also they have some tours and explanations what it is all about

    20:24:55 <bioterror> less is more

    20:25:00 <michaelrawson> o/

    20:25:03 <jmarsden|work> bioterror: Post ideas to the Website_Plan page Smile :)

    20:25:09 <bioterror> I will

    20:25:11 <gilir> why not, the subject is pretty open Smile :)

    20:25:33 <gilir> yes michaelrawson

    20:26:10 <michaelrawson> xubuntu & kubuntu sites are VERY similiar...why not 'clone' a website for now and find and replace lubuntu instead of xubuntu? quick fix

    20:26:11 <M0hi> brb

    20:26:24 <michaelrawson> if you see what I mean.

    20:26:52 <michaelrawson> I'll put on wiki if nobody kills me. Smile :)

    20:27:00 <gilir> we can probaly copy the design, but not the content

    20:27:16 <gilir> but you write your idea on the wiki Wink ;)

    20:27:17 <stephen-smally> michaelrawson: +1, i like the xubuntu site. gilir: obviously Wink ;-)

    20:27:43 <gilir> ok, next topic Smile :)

    20:28:00 <gilir> [TOPIC] PowerPC ISO

    20:28:30 <gilir> There are some resquests for a powerpc ISO of lubuntu

    20:28:53 <stephen-smally> gilir: can we just built it with the ubuntu system?

    20:28:59 <gilir> fortunatly for this cycle, we have people willing to test the ISOs Smile :)

    20:29:14 <gilir> stephen-smally, it's already build, we just need testers

    20:29:25 <stephen-smally> gilir: perfect

    20:29:34 <gilir> to test and validate the quality of the ISO

    20:30:06 <gilir> according to the mailing list, we have at least 2 testers, so it's just fine Smile :)

    20:30:26 <Yorvyk> I can do that and have a couple of people interested - I'm trying tp persuade them to join the mailing list.

    20:30:45 <jmarsden|work> Is testing in an emulation environment like sheepshaver or pearpc likely to be useful? Or do we need real physical powerpc hardware?

    20:30:47 <gilir> Yorvyk, great Smile :)

    20:31:20 <Yorvyk> jmarsden|work: Any testing is useful

    20:31:41 <gilir> jmarsden|work, if we have enough people to test on real hardware, it won't be necessary IMO

    20:31:58 <jmarsden|work> OK

    20:32:11 <gilir> don't forget that we have also i386 and amd64 to test Wink ;)

    20:32:50 <bioterror> and probably soon ARM is coming

    20:32:51 <gilir> I'll do also a mail on the mailing to try to convince more people to do ISO testing

    20:33:40 <stephen-smally> ARM? would be great, but i think there aren't plans by Ubuntu... (i'm looking for setup the raspberry pi, a 25$ computer)

    20:33:42 <Yorvyk> Perhaps advertising outside the mailing list may help

    20:33:46 <gilir> bioterror, for ARM, we need testers, devices to test, and to create the images

    20:33:50 <M0hi> gilir, Lets get the whole list of testers so that it will be easy to contact the testing team

    20:34:03 <gilir> they don't exist yet, unlike powerpc ISO

    20:34:25 <bioterror> gilir, I could make a small invest thru dealxtreme. I have some interest

    20:34:44 <gilir> [ACTION] Send a mail about ISO testing to the mailing list for Alpha 1 20:34:44 * meetingology Send a mail about ISO testing to the mailing list for Alpha 1

    20:35:39 <Yorvyk> Should we send something to the news letter. It might reach more people.

    20:35:39 <stephen-smally> gilir, i will be very happy to test the ARM iso (in a month +-), if necessary

    20:36:48 <gilir> ARM is a more complex subject, but we can discuss it next week

    20:37:05 <stephen-smally> allright

    20:38:09 <gilir> [ACTION] Put an item about ARM images for next meeting 20:38:09 * meetingology Put an item about ARM images for next meeting

    20:38:49 <gilir> ok, if the powerpc subject is over, let's move to the next one

    20:39:09 <gilir> [TOPIC] Old PC supporting or New Kernel for 12.04

    20:39:37 <gilir> M0hi, if you are agree, I'll introduce the subject Smile :)

    20:39:58 <M0hi> gilir, proceed =]

    20:40:28 <gilir> so there is an ongoing discussion about the PAE support on the kernel for 12.04

    20:40:51 <gilir> currently, no decision was made by the kernel team

    20:41:10 <gilir> it's expected next week

    20:41:41 <gilir> also, we are unsure of the number of CPU affected by this

    20:42:19 <gilir> jmarsden|work, suggested a command to test it, but so far not so many reports

    20:42:32 <gilir> or we can assume that nobody is affected Smile :)

    20:42:48 <bioterror> those computers that gets affected are mostly from the late 90's

    20:43:10 <gilir> well, I don't think we can do more for now, except doing the test

    20:43:21 <jmarsden|work> bioterror: How do you know this, and have you found any that can run 11.04 or 11.10 but do not have PAE?

    20:44:09 <bioterror> jmarsden|work, sorry, but I dont work at museum of old computers

    20:44:20 <stephen-smally> and, if i have a late 90's machine, i would install archlinux or something very scalable (you know, lubuntu is not so usable with 128 Mb ram, i've a machine like this, with a old AMD Athlon)

    20:44:52 <jmarsden|work> So we're at <gilir> or we can assume that nobody is affected Smile :)

    20:44:52 <Sarvatt> first generation intel macbook was sold in 2006 and had a pentium M without PAE for instance, its not that old

    20:45:12 <wxl> oops am i too late?

    20:45:26 <bioterror> Sarvatt, my friend has one. it only supports 3GB of RAM

    20:45:47 <Sarvatt> it also wont boot ubuntu anymore if it goes in

    20:46:20 <Sarvatt> (sorry to interrupt the meeting)

    20:46:31 <bioterror> that was a good point

    20:46:53 <gilir> Sarvatt, any information is welcome, thanks Smile :)

    20:47:51 <jmarsden|work> OK, all we can do is ask for more testing and watch for others doing similar investigation of which machines are affected.

    20:48:08 <gilir> +1 jmarsden|work

    20:49:01 <gilir> ok, so let's move to the next topic

    20:49:18 <gilir> 10 minutes left

    20:49:33 <gilir> [TOPIC] LxPanel developing status

    20:49:45 <gilir> stephen-smally, it's your turn Smile :)

    20:49:53 <stephen-smally> Ok, Wink ;-)

    20:50:19 <stephen-smally> Maybe you don't know this, but Lxpanel is pretty inactive

    20:50:33 <stephen-smally> (under the developing profile)

    20:50:45 <wxl> i would argue that lxpanel needs development in applets more than IT needs development

    20:51:29 <michaelrawson> +1, wxl

    20:51:42 <wxl> a ram monitor, for one

    20:51:47 <gilir> well, it needs maintainance + bug fixing at least :/

    20:51:53 <Yorvyk> If it's not being developed nobody will provide applets for it

    20:52:06 <frankbooth> +1 gilir

    20:52:06 <jmarsden|work> stephen-smally: are you volunteering to take over lxpanel maintenance?

    20:52:13 <michaelrawson> python support for applets would be nice, but I won't get on to that now. Currently you have to do everyting in C, which is offputting.

    20:52:16 <wxl> well that's a good point Yorvyk but what would replace it?

    20:52:18 <gilir> stephen-smally, so, what's the point ? Smile :) We know we have a panel problem Smile :)

    20:52:40 <stephen-smally> Ok, i talked to pcman, wich is the main developer of lxpanel

    20:52:56 <stephen-smally> he's planning a rewrite of lxpanel in vala+gtk3

    20:53:55 <gilir> yes, but we don't know when, he still have work to do for the filemanager

    20:54:21 <stephen-smally> yes, i know

    20:54:55 <gilir> IMO, we should keep lxpanel for now, try to fix it

    20:55:12 <gilir> and eventually, rewrite some parts in vala if we have time

    20:55:27 <stephen-smally> ok, i can do this, anyway

    20:55:30 <gilir> as we can mix C and Vala

    20:55:55 <stephen-smally> yes, we can, the build system will need some instruction, but it's possible

    20:56:00 <gilir> stephen-smally, but you have also others projects, don't forget Smile :)

    20:56:07 <michaelrawson> Surely Vala makes C code, so we shouldn't have to mix?

    20:56:13 <stephen-smally> ;-), yes

    20:56:54 <gilir> stephen-smally, we still need a release of LSC

    20:57:06 <jmarsden|work> michaelrawson: You can rewrite all of lxpanel in Vala if you have the time and skills, otherwise, it can be migrated slowly, mixing vala with the existing C code Smile :)

    20:57:31 <stephen-smally> anyway, i'm also available for lxpanel in vala

    20:57:31 <Yorvyk> 3 minutes to go

    20:57:56 <michaelrawson> jmarsden|work compile vala first, then compile C code?

    20:58:00 <stephen-smally> what's after us?

    20:58:53 <gilir> stephen-smally, thanks, but we should talk about LSC and LXScreeshot before planning development time on lxpanel

    20:59:11 <jmarsden|work> michaelrawson: Order doesn't matter, compile everything (C or Vala) -> object code, then link it together.

    20:59:21 <stephen-smally> ok, Lxscreenshot is already done, i can make a project and a release if needed

    20:59:32 <gilir> stephen-smally, no one, but we have too much items after this one Smile :)

    20:59:44 <michaelrawson> okay, jmarsden|work, thanks for clarification. Smile :)

    20:59:48 <wxl> i personally would rather see lxpanel developed than lsc/lxscreenshot, but that may be me

    20:59:59 <stephen-smally> gilir: so we can occupy a little the channel? XD

    21:00:26 <jmarsden|work> stephen-smally: Some of us are at work...

    21:00:29 <gilir> stephen-smally, it needs some polishing (like translation, command line support etc ...) but I can send you list

    21:00:33 <stephen-smally> wxl: i partially agree

    21:00:52 <gilir> stephen-smally, but yes, lxscreenshot is almost ready

    21:01:14 <stephen-smally> ok, if you want some interface improvements let me know Wink ;-)

    21:01:45 <wxl> stephen-smally: my argument being that lxpanel is absolutely essential-- every user uses it. less people need lxscreenshot and scrot does the trick for those that do need it. plus synaptic does do the trick.

    21:01:46 <gilir> [ACTION] Send comments about lxscreenshot to stephen-smally 21:01:46 * meetingology Send comments about lxscreenshot to stephen-smally

    21:02:19 <gilir> wxl, but having project half finished is not nice also

    21:02:24 <stephen-smally> wxl: i agree, so i'm available to help in lxpanel

    21:02:48 <wxl> +1 gilir

    21:02:51 <stephen-smally> gilir: yes, the situation is not so good, i'm the only who develop lsc

    21:02:58 <michaelrawson> just installed lxpanel, works brilliantly.

    21:03:30 <michaelrawson> stephen-smally I'm happy to help lsc if you can teach me roughly where stuff goes.

    21:03:51 <stephen-smally> michaelrawson: thanks, we can discuss it via mails

    21:03:54 <michaelrawson> yup.

    21:03:56 <gilir> stephen-smally, ok, so let's finish the meeting here, can we talk about lsc on #lubuntu just after ?

    21:04:10 <stephen-smally> of course

    21:04:10 <gilir> or mail if you prefer

    21:04:31 <stephen-smally> as you like, i prefer irc anyway

    21:05:05 <gilir> Yorvyk, sorry for your subjects, I report them on the top of the list for next week

    21:05:16 <gilir> #endmeeting

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