General Agenda Items and Proposals




Show of hands to gauge attendance


Review ACTIONS from the last meeting


Reporting minutes of meeting to Ubuntu News


Basic user documentation all in one place, with index


Discuss ARM ISO for Lubuntu


Addition of progress report on QA area


Lubuntu Team Meeting


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Meeting started by gilir at 20:07:23 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-30-20.07.log.txt .

Meeting summary

  • Show of hands to gauge attendance
  • Review ACTIONS from the last meeting
  • Discuss ARM ISO for Lubuntu

ACTION: Send a mail about ARM ISO on the mailing list (gilir, 20:20:22)

  • Addition of progress report on QA area

ACTION: Keep an eye on the next QA meeting for the specific Lubuntu part (gilir, 20:32:04)

  • Various news on Lubuntu devs
  • Reporting minutes of meeting to Ubuntu News

ACTION: Yorvyk to contact Ubuntu News (gilir, 20:44:39)

  • Basic user documentation all in one place, with index

ACTION: Start to work on an index wiki page for help (like https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-help/index.html) (gilir, 21:00:50)

Meeting ended at 21:03:00 UTC.


Action items

Action items, by person

  • Yorvyk
  • * Yorvyk to contact Ubuntu News


People present (lines said)

  • gilir (66)
  • phillw (30)
  • wxl (27)
  • Yorvyk (21)
  • jmarsden|work (16)
  • stephen-smally (12)
  • meetingology (7)
  • david_j_r (7)
  • Unit193 (2)
  • Yorvyk_ (1)

Full Log

  • 20:07:23 <gilir> #startmeeting

    20:07:23 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 30 20:07:23 2011 UTC. The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.

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    20:07:42 <gilir> Agenda is available here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

    20:08:13 <gilir> [TOPIC] Show of hands to gauge attendance 20:08:24 * wxl shows both hands

    20:08:25 <gilir> o/

    20:08:31 <wxl> \o/

    20:08:42 <jmarsden|work> o/

    20:08:46 <gilir> Yorvyk, here ? Smile :) 20:08:49 * phillw present 20:09:04 * Unit193

    20:09:08 <david_j_r> o) (numpty user - lurking)

    20:09:33 <stephen-smally> o/

    20:10:13 <gilir> [TOPIC] Review ACTIONS from the last meeting

    20:10:35 <gilir> quick review of last week actions

    20:10:54 <gilir> people still comment on the website page

    20:11:14 <gilir> I hope to have enough information for next week to decide something

    20:11:39 <wxl> from what i read briefly on the mailing list it sounds like the splinter group we had is now working with mario and they're working on a new proposal. sounds like it's happening

    20:11:54 <gilir> Alpha 1 ISO testing, if you want to help : Smile :)

    20:12:40 <wxl> on that subject julien said he will endeavour to get ppc to be included in the next round of testing

    20:12:41 <gilir> and work in progress for lxscreenshot

    20:14:28 <gilir> it seems that Yorvyk is not here, so I let his items for now

    20:14:47 <gilir> [TOPIC] Discuss ARM ISO for Lubuntu

    20:14:53 <phillw> speak of the devil Smile :)

    20:15:04 <stephen-smally> oh, i would like ARM isos

    20:15:27 <wxl> i could see if i could get it going on my palm pre Wink ;)

    20:15:43 <gilir> well the problem is to have hardware + people who want to test ISOs during the cycle Smile :)

    20:16:00 <stephen-smally> i would like to put in on the RaspBerty PI, i will buy it during christmas

    20:16:07 <stephen-smally> *RaspBerry Pi

    20:16:12 <gilir> some volunteers ? Smile :)

    20:16:24 <jmarsden|work> gilir: Does ARM mean ARMv7 and later? Note the very low cost Rasperry Pi board will be out in December but it uses ARMv6, the project is more or less giving up on Lubuntu because Ubuntu does not officially do ARMv6...

    20:16:48 <gilir> jmarsden|work, it will be the same than Ubuntu

    20:17:05 <jmarsden|work> OK, so stephen-smally ... note you won't be able to run Lubuntu on a Rasperry Pi.

    20:17:23 <stephen-smally> damn, that's why i'm switching to arch XD

    20:17:50 <wxl> the pre has an armv7

    20:17:56 <wxl> i'd be into giving it a shot

    20:18:39 <gilir> well, maybe for the short term, sending a mail to the mailing list explaning the situation

    20:19:22 <gilir> I'm not sure there are enough people to test + debug problems on ARM for lubuntu currently Smile :)

    20:19:37 <stephen-smally> agree

    20:19:43 <gilir> and +1 arch is probably enough for this cycle Smile :)

    20:20:09 <jmarsden|work> gilir: I tend to agree; Rasperbby Pi support would get us more (I'd buy a board or two) ... but I'm not buying a $200 board just to test ARMv7.

    20:20:22 <gilir> [ACTION] Send a mail about ARM ISO on the mailing list 20:20:22 * meetingology Send a mail about ARM ISO on the mailing list

    20:20:37 <gilir> ok let's go the next topic

    20:20:42 <wxl> agree.. i think arm is going to be increasingly important, but it's not a huge hot button right now

    20:21:06 <gilir> [TOPIC] Addition of progress report on QA area

    20:21:16 <stephen-smally> o/ question

    20:21:22 <gilir> phillw, it's yours Smile :)

    20:21:43 <phillw> it was mooted and pretty much agreed at the QA meeting that an update of the progress be linked to the QA wiki area.

    20:22:03 <phillw> I was kinda hoping gilir will be doing the weekly emails this cycle?

    20:22:47 <phillw> Lunbuntu got 43% sign off for pre-alpha1 testing (not too bad... Ubuntu only got 57%).

    20:22:53 <gilir> phillw, what do you mean by a weekly email ? about QA ?

    20:22:59 <gilir> ah the ISO testing ?

    20:23:00 <jmarsden|work> phillw: Isn't seeing the work item updates in the blueprints acceptable to QA? Why create another document?

    20:23:19 <phillw> gilir: an update as to any bugs solved / known etc in a digest format.

    20:23:47 <phillw> jmarsden|work: they have are adding sections for Xubuntu & Lubuntu.

    20:24:10 <gilir> phillw, do you have a link ? for an example ?

    20:24:14 <phillw> It is to encourage testers to try and test more areas.

    20:24:23 <jmarsden|work> +1 for link/example Smile :)

    20:24:36 <phillw> gilir: it was only agreed 2 hours ago, it is to be set up. 20:25:43 * gilir look at the log

    20:25:48 <jmarsden|work> phillw: Is there one for "big brother" Ubuntu already? Or was *that* only agreed 2 hours ago too?

    20:25:53 <phillw> (17:09:49) gema: #action gema to add lubuntu and Xubuntu testing updates to the agenda

    20:26:16 <phillw> they will as part of that add a section to QA area for both flavours.

    20:27:04 <jmarsden|work> phillw: Is there a section like it for Unity-based Ubuntu already, and if so, link please?

    20:27:32 <gilir> phillw, that means we need to do a status of bug fixed for this meeting ?

    20:27:33 <phillw> I suggested that we use the update that gilir issues to keep the QA team up to date, they also asked that I cc it to the qa mailing list.

    20:28:01 <phillw> It is early days, they are bringing in new stuff for this cycle,

    20:29:04 <jmarsden|work> So we're being asked to do something for which there is no example or template? Hmmm.

    20:29:09 <phillw> for those interested in testing then the meeting logs are at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-30-17.00.moin.txt

    20:29:36 <phillw> jmarsden|work: there are templates, they were discussed, but mainly it is about getting the pre-milestones 100% tested.

    20:29:50 <wxl> oh man well i'm glad i didn't start testing

    20:30:44 <gilir> phillw, ok, I propose that we will look at the next meeting to see what's going for this

    20:31:14 <phillw> gilir: fine by me, it was news to me, there is quite a lot going on Smile :)

    20:31:22 <gilir> I'm not sure I understand what we need to do right now, or the benefice for us

    20:32:04 <gilir> [ACTION] Keep an eye on the next QA meeting for the specific Lubuntu part 20:32:04 * meetingology Keep an eye on the next QA meeting for the specific Lubuntu part

    20:32:32 <wxl> whine i wanna start testing NOW Wink ;)

    20:32:49 <jmarsden|work> wxl: Go ahead, this doesn't stop you Smile :)

    20:33:01 <jmarsden|work> (well, maybe wat until this meeting is over!)

    20:33:08 <gilir> still no Yorvyk

    20:33:08 <phillw> wxl: ping me after the meeting, I will send you the links for the QA tests.

    20:33:29 <gilir> [TOPIC] Various news on Lubuntu devs

    20:33:33 <wxl> thx phillw

    20:33:49 <gilir> ok just a quick summarize of the recent news

    20:34:46 <Yorvyk_> Hello

    20:34:47 <gilir> I started to work on the session manager, there will be some change after the Alpha 1 on this

    20:35:53 <gilir> work also was done on Lxscreenshot, which should be already useable Smile :)

    20:36:02 <gilir> Yorvyk_, ah Smile :)

    20:36:22 <gilir> Yorvyk_, ready for your items ?

    20:36:30 <stephen-smally> confirm about lxscreenshot, is very simple, but should be ok for most of the users

    20:36:57 <Yorvyk> Can anybody hear me

    20:37:04 <phillw> Yorvyklod and clear

    20:37:10 <phillw> *loud*

    20:37:17 <wxl> lxscreenshot works, but i wish there was more to it.. i'd rather use scrot at this point

    20:37:23 <gilir> stephen-smally, I plan to include it in lxde git tree, so after you shoudl prepare an official release

    20:37:24 <Yorvyk> \o/ at last!

    20:37:50 <gilir> wxl, you can ping stephen-smally about the features you want Wink ;)

    20:38:13 <stephen-smally> yes, i'm anyway looking for screen selection.

    20:38:22 <gilir> stephen-smally, also, I'll try to work on lsc, to get a release ready for the next week

    20:38:41 <gilir> at least, translation import is working now Smile :)

    20:38:47 <stephen-smally> gilir: we tested it a lot in these days and it seems to be stable

    20:39:28 <stephen-smally> but the po files aren't builded Sad :-(

    20:39:34 <gilir> stephen-smally, yes, I think it's time to release something Smile :)

    20:40:18 <gilir> stephen-smally, look at the last revision, you should have .po files now

    20:40:26 <stephen-smally> ohoh, found a bug now, time to solve it Wink ;-)

    20:40:49 <gilir> Yorvyk, are you with us now ? Smile :)

    20:41:00 <Yorvyk> Yes, I think so

    20:41:10 <gilir> ok, moving to your items

    20:41:22 <gilir> [TOPIC] Reporting minutes of meeting to Ubuntu News

    20:42:18 <gilir> Yorvyk, ^

    20:42:28 <Yorvyk> I thought it may be a good idea to do a quick report of the meetings

    20:43:00 <gilir> do you think we have enough interesting topics for them ?

    20:43:10 <Yorvyk> as it may get more interest and a wider audiance

    20:43:27 * gilir is not sure it's the case Smile :)

    20:43:41 <Yorvyk> Why not?

    20:43:48 <gilir> Yorvyk, maybe you can contact them, to see if there are interested ?

    20:44:03 <Yorvyk> I will

    20:44:39 <gilir> [ACTION] Yorvyk to contact Ubuntu News 20:44:39 * meetingology Yorvyk to contact Ubuntu News

    20:45:04 <Yorvyk> Other news outlets appear to use Ubuntu News for their articles

    20:45:46 <gilir> well, if they are OK, I don't see any problems about this

    20:45:58 <Yorvyk> By the way - this meeting wasn't on the fridge calander Sad :(

    20:46:29 <wxl> Yorvyk: it was

    20:46:30 <phillw> Yorvyk: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/

    20:46:34 <phillw> it was Smile :)

    20:46:36 <wxl> but you had to use the "agenda" view to see it

    20:46:44 <Yorvyk> Ah!

    20:46:45 <wxl> or weekly probably would have worked

    20:46:51 <wxl> month view truncated the list

    20:47:00 <gilir> too many meetings Smile :)

    20:47:00 <wxl> not sure why there were no scrollbars

    20:47:34 <Unit193> I have that calendar added to my list of GCalendars, that's another way to see it

    20:47:35 <phillw> I'll look at trying to squeeze it into the topic on the two chennels

    20:48:09 <Yorvyk> OK, next

    20:48:16 <david_j_r> I'm at fridge calendar, and not seeing it in _any_ view :?

    20:48:22 <gilir> [TOPIC] Basic user documentation all in one place, with index

    20:49:28 <Yorvyk> This hads been mentioned to me a few people

    20:50:03 <Yorvyk> I'm not quite sure what they want - and nor are they Ithink.

    20:50:03 <gilir> Yorvyk, it's about the wiki pages on help.ubuntu.com ?

    20:50:16 <jmarsden|work> Yorvyk: What is "Basic User Documentation"? man pages???

    20:50:44 <Yorvyk> People seem to have problems with the wiki

    20:51:39 <gilir> what kind of problems ?

    20:51:43 <Yorvyk> I think what people are trying to ask me for is a basic set of howtos for each application.

    20:51:45 <jmarsden|work> Yorvyk: Do you have a clear definition of what "Basic User Documentation" means? Otherwise, we can't put it in one place...

    20:53:02 <jmarsden|work> Yorvyk: Each application? That's thousands of apps...

    20:53:04 <phillw> Yorvyk: I know that mario popped a site map on to help navigation

    20:53:22 <Yorvyk> I don't and it is hard work trying to get people to explain what they want. I've asked for examples from them. I thought I'd bring it up to see if anybody had any ideas

    20:54:16 <phillw> oops, soz, he updated the links. but there is a site map, not too sure what else we can do given the limitations of wiki?

    20:54:19 <Yorvyk> I think the problem with the Wiki is that people aren't sure what terms to uses to find what they want.

    20:54:37 <david_j_r> I'm just a newcomer to Lubuntu, but it's my future. I could would appreciate a list of the L* apps - e

    20:54:48 <david_j_r> i.e., the Lubuntu/LXDE specific ones.

    20:54:52 <david_j_r> Maybe already there?

    20:55:03 <wxl> yeha maybe we could just have a "help with apps" page

    20:55:06 <wxl> with all the lists

    20:55:34 <david_j_r> The "index" may be the key here.

    20:55:41 <phillw> I see no reason that such a thing could not be put on the FAQ/Guides area?

    20:56:09 <gilir> something more like this : https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-help/index.html ?

    20:56:22 <wxl> i agree phillw

    20:56:46 <wxl> i like gilir

    20:56:47 <phillw> gilir: looks good Smile :)

    20:57:00 <david_j_r> oooh - that's nice!

    20:57:02 <wxl> as long as it can be edited just the same as the wiki

    20:57:10 <phillw> it is a wiki apge :P

    20:57:13 <Yorvyk> I think that's what they're looking for

    20:57:19 <gilir> we need someone to do it :p

    20:57:32 <wxl> why don't we start with a simple list?

    20:57:38 <wxl> i mean crap i could start that

    20:57:43 <Yorvyk> I'll point a couple of them at that page and ask them if that's what they want. 20:58:07 * phillw runs into corner.... Yeah... i'll put into my list, please give me a week after someone provides me a complete list of L* programmes!

    20:58:20 <jmarsden|work> phillw: for now, you can get a quick list of lx* packages by doing dpkg-query -W lx\* in a terminal window

    20:58:26 <gilir> Yorvyk, good idea, maybe you can start a prototype later

    20:58:32 <wxl> i can do it phillw

    20:58:51 <phillw> wxl: by all means, go for it. I'll help you if you get stuck.

    20:59:21 <gilir> wxl, can I put an action for you about this ?

    20:59:24 <Yorvyk> The people I'm talking to don't like/understand mailing list or forums

    20:59:29 <phillw> jmarsden|work: I killed my VM's ... can't run Lubuntu atm :'(

    20:59:31 <wxl> sure gilir

    20:59:51 <jmarsden|work> phillw: Ah... OK, email me your VM problem.

    21:00:50 <gilir> [ACTION] Start to work on an index wiki page for help (like https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-help/index.html)

    21:00:50 * meetingology Start to work on an index wiki page for help (like https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-help/index.html)

    21:01:36 <gilir> ok, I think it's time to end the meeting

    21:01:50 <Yorvyk> OK

    21:01:59 <gilir> no emergency for this week ?

    21:02:42 <gilir> oh, and if you don't know what to do tonight : Wink ;)

    21:02:58 <wxl> hhehehe

    21:03:00 <gilir> #endmeeting

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