20120404

General Agenda Items and Proposals

Who

What

Everybody

Show of hands to gauge attendance

gilir

Review ACTIONS from the last meeting

phillw

Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team

Unit193

Weekly report - Update from IRC OP's team

kanliot

Weekly report - Update from Comms team

gilir

Weekly report - Update from Devs teams

MrChrisDruif

Weekly report - Update from Docs team

MrChrisDruif

Offline documentation, wanted?

Any Other Business

Location

Lubuntu Team Meeting

Place

  • IRC: irc.freenode.org
  • Channel: #ubuntu-meeting
  • Webchat link

Time

Logs

#title #ubuntu-meeting: Lubuntu Team Meeting

Meeting started by gilir at 20:01:22 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-04-20.01.log.html .

Meeting summary

  • gilir - Review ACTIONS from the last meeting
  • phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team

LINK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda (MrChrisDruif, 20:05:53)

  • kanliot - Weekly report - Update from comms team
  • gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams

LINK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda (amjjawad, 20:14:23)

  • amjjawad - Weekly report - Update from Support Team
  • MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team

  • MrChrisDruif - Offline documentation, wanted?

ACTION: MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily (gilir, 20:50:15)

  • Any Other Business

ACTION: phillw to update the agenda page about updates (gilir, 20:52:06)

Meeting ended at 20:55:56 UTC.

Votes

Action items

  • MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily

  • phillw to update the agenda page about updates

Action items, by person

  • MrChrisDruif

  • * MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily

  • phillw
  • * phillw to update the agenda page about updates

People present (lines said)

  • gilir (55)
  • MrChrisDruif (49)

  • amjjawad (33)
  • phillw (29)
  • wxl (17)
  • kanliot (12)
  • Myrtti (8)
  • jmarsden|work (6)
  • meetingology (5)
  • Unit193 (4)
  • bioterror (3)
  • Yorvyk (3)

Full Log

  • 20:01:22 <gilir> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting

    20:01:22 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Apr 4 20:01:22 2012 UTC. The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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    20:01:36 <gilir> hi

    20:01:43 <MrChrisDruif> \o

    20:01:48 <Unit193> Coffee break.

    20:01:50 <jmarsden|work> o/

    20:01:51 <MrChrisDruif> Aloha gilir

    20:01:51 <Yorvyk> o/

    20:01:59 <MrChrisDruif> phillw!

    20:02:06 <amjjawad> Hi Everyone!

    20:02:08 <phillw> 0/

    20:02:21 <kanliot> o/

    20:02:46 <bioterror> o/

    20:02:57 <gilir> #topic gilir - Review ACTIONS from the last meeting

    20:03:15 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, thanks for the calendar update Smile :)

    20:03:29 <MrChrisDruif> Yup, you're welcome

    20:03:44 <MrChrisDruif> As we all know already I've finished my action

    20:03:55 <gilir> no other action item from previous meeting, let's start thsi one

    20:04:13 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, good, that's not always the case for me :p

    20:04:29 <gilir> #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team

    20:04:34 <phillw> nice and sweet from me, kernel freeze goes in tomorrow. but it will be delayed by 24 hours owing to some issues on upgrades.

    20:05:18 <phillw> kanliot: will be the lubuntu rep at the weekly QA meetings while I'm away.

    20:05:53 <MrChrisDruif> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

    20:06:16 <phillw> the Beta 2's are rock solid, so we do not expect any breakages betwen now and release. but do keep your eyes peeled & please test

    20:06:23 <phillw> end of report.

    20:06:42 <gilir> thanks phillw

    20:07:09 <gilir> we are very close to final freeze, changes should be minimum at this point

    20:07:45 <gilir> #topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from comms team

    20:07:56 <kanliot> mario has had the osuosl team put up a temporary website so we can update lubuntu.net

    20:07:57 <kanliot> a volunteer has completely translated the lubuntu.net website into french!!

    20:07:57 <kanliot> more progress with facebook. Tons more users

    20:07:57 <kanliot> end of report

    20:08:22 <MrChrisDruif> Q?

    20:08:35 <gilir> nice to have french translation Smile :)

    20:08:41 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, yes ?

    20:08:54 <MrChrisDruif> Is Facebook only viewed as an Communication channel or also as help channel?

    20:09:10 <kanliot> imho both

    20:09:27 <phillw> MrChrisDruif: amjjawad is best to answer that.

    20:09:45 <MrChrisDruif> amjjawad; your view on this?

    20:09:52 <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: both but I tend to use it MORE for comms than help

    20:10:30 <MrChrisDruif> That is what I've been noticing, but that answers my question

    20:10:33 <MrChrisDruif> _

    20:10:39 <amjjawad> Facebook doesn't have the 'experinced needed users' for support and help while other channels have

    20:10:46 <phillw> MrChrisDruif: as you do, I try to answer an question with a link to our wiki area.

    20:11:18 <amjjawad> that is why it is BETTER to use it as a Comms Tool for Updates, News and some Tips Smile :)

    20:11:28 <amjjawad> end of my humble personal opinion Big Grin :)

    20:11:58 <kanliot> facebook is fantastic right now. so much happy people and energy

    20:12:21 <amjjawad> add to that great feedback so far on the page. I'm reading amazing stories over there

    20:12:22 <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, my question is answered. Shall we move on?

    20:12:27 <wxl> ok here now. prolly missed everything. Smile :)

    20:12:44 <MrChrisDruif> wxl; Yes, you did Wink ;-)

    20:12:46 <gilir> another question ?

    20:13:05 <MrChrisDruif> Not now gilir

    20:13:11 <gilir> ok, thanks kanliot

    20:13:25 <gilir> #topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams

    20:13:58 <gilir> most of the fixes I had in mind are now in precise

    20:14:09 <amjjawad> gilir: you skipped me but that is fine

    20:14:23 <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

    20:14:30 <gilir> still a couple of fixes to upload tonight

    20:14:41 <gilir> amjjawad, arf sorry, didn't refresh the page :/

    20:14:50 <amjjawad> it is ok gilir carry one

    20:14:52 <amjjawad> on*

    20:14:53 <gilir> I'll go back to you after this one

    20:15:05 <amjjawad> gilir: take your time Wink ;)

    20:15:41 <jmarsden|work> gilir: Do you see any chance something will happen about the install disk size check issue, and installing to 4GB SSDs?

    20:16:00 <gilir> after this week-end, we should almost ready for testing almost final images Smile :)

    20:16:25 <Unit193> jmarsden|work: Does it not work with alt?

    20:16:29 <gilir> jmarsden|work, I don't think so Sad :( we still need to advertise people to install with alternate

    20:16:45 <jmarsden|work> Unit193: Using alternate works, using live cd does not work.

    20:17:19 <amjjawad> jmarsden|work: r we talking about any drive with 4GB??

    20:17:25 <amjjawad> coz I did this today and it worked: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11817117&postcount=4

    20:17:40 <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: Yes, but few working PCs ahve 4GB mechanical hard drives these days Smile :)

    20:17:41 <amjjawad> I installed on 3.7GB from LiveUSB and it worked.

    20:18:06 <gilir> amjjawad, and it doesn't block ths installation on the size requirement page ?

    20:18:19 <amjjawad> gilir: never

    20:18:23 <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: OK... then maybe something changed... that did not work previously.

    20:18:26 <amjjawad> it worked perfectly

    20:18:26 <wxl> do i hear we need others to test on <=4gb drives? i've got one

    20:18:41 <Yorvyk> How big swap did you have?

    20:18:43 <jmarsden|work> wxl: Sure, go for it.

    20:18:45 <amjjawad> I can do as much tests as u guys want

    20:18:57 <amjjawad> Yorvyk: me? it's is showen on here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11817117&postcount=4

    20:19:14 <amjjawad> Yorvyk: 303MB

    20:19:19 <MrChrisDruif> Yorvyk; swap is advised but a dependency

    20:20:16 <amjjawad> I did sudo apt-get upgrade after that and installed lubuntu res extra and I sitll have 1.5GB Free Space!!!

    20:20:17 <phillw> gilir: I have been nagging the release team.... who knows, maybe it worked Smile :)

    20:20:25 <gilir> I'll also test it on a vm, to double check this

    20:20:48 <amjjawad> gilir: do u need me to do more tests??

    20:20:59 <gilir> and for the record, swap is not mandatory if you don't want to use hibernate

    20:21:12 <amjjawad> +1 gilir

    20:21:34 <gilir> amjjawad, just the usual tests with the candidate images, but I'll do a mail about this later

    20:21:40 <Yorvyk> If th eother drive has swap space then it installs into >4GB OK

    20:22:01 <gilir> any other questions for dev report ?

    20:22:41 <gilir> #topic amjjawad - Weekly report - Update from Support Team

    20:23:14 <amjjawad> I'm looking forward to create a simple beginner guide about Lubuntu. For new comers mailny - that is a next project

    20:23:49 <MrChrisDruif> That's support and not wiki/docs because...?

    20:23:50 <amjjawad> as for other support stuff, nothing special except one case I'm working on and if I need help, I know someone on the forum and he is the right one for that job coz it has to do with GRUB2 and an old machine

    20:24:09 <phillw> amjjawad: liase with MrChrisDruif, he's up next fior docs.

    20:24:19 <amjjawad> guys: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

    20:24:37 <amjjawad> phillw: and MrChrisDruif check this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

    20:24:52 <MrChrisDruif> amjjawad; your point with that link is?

    20:24:53 <gilir> don't update the agenda so lately Wink ;)

    20:24:56 <phillw> amjjawad: I do have it open Smile :)

    20:25:06 <amjjawad> OMG

    20:25:19 <amjjawad> just keep me at the end and stop nagging Sad :(

    20:25:24 <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: please

    20:25:28 <amjjawad> go a head

    20:25:35 <phillw> gilir: +1, should be closed 24 hours before meeting

    20:26:05 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, my fault, we will go to doc/wiki just after this one

    20:26:17 <amjjawad> gilir: no, pass it on please! 20:26:21 * gilir skiped amjjawad point

    20:26:58 <gilir> ...

    20:27:03 <phillw> gilir: #action me to make that clear on the Agenda page

    20:27:10 <gilir> #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team

    20:27:20 <amjjawad> gilir: just ignore everything related to my edit - now excuse me, I must leave

    20:27:47 <amjjawad> you guys can carry on and if there is something urgent, I shall send an email. IRC is not my cup of tea and will never be, sorry gilir

    20:27:51 <phillw> o/

    20:28:01 <MrChrisDruif> o7

    20:28:20 <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, but to subject

    20:28:53 <gilir> phillw, let's finish MrChrisDruif, I'll go back to you after

    20:29:00 <MrChrisDruif> We had a new team member for maybe an hour for about an hour or so

    20:29:44 <MrChrisDruif> It was "littlegirl" (IRC name) but right after I had spoken to her I had to go offline to get to bed

    20:30:21 <MrChrisDruif> After I left the conversation continued and it had a funny twist somewhere and she decided to leave again.

    20:30:43 <MrChrisDruif> I've send her an email tonight and hope she'll reply to that.

    20:31:03 <MrChrisDruif> She came with the idea for my next item anyway.

    20:31:51 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, ok, we will discuss it after this point, anything to add ?

    20:31:58 <MrChrisDruif> I've noticed that people started to translate the Lubuntu wiki to Spanish, but I've got to get some contact with those people so we are all on one line

    20:32:18 <wxl> MrChrisDruif: as i'm sure you've noticed they all seem to be on the facebook group

    20:33:06 <MrChrisDruif> wxl; yup, but I'd like them to be in the launchpad group as well, so we can talk more easily and also show the "world" that I'm not doing this gig alone

    20:33:59 <MrChrisDruif> I can't think of anything to add to this topic.

    20:34:09 <MrChrisDruif> Q's?

    20:34:11 <phillw> MrChrisDruif: you will get used to phrase "like trying to herd cats"

    20:34:23 <gilir> thanks MrChrisDruif

    20:34:28 <phillw> o/

    20:34:33 <MrChrisDruif> phillw; ?

    20:34:41 <gilir> go phillw

    20:35:25 <phillw> I'd like to let the 'team' know that I had a a chat about MrChrisDruif becoming an wiki admin person.

    20:35:52 <MrChrisDruif> Ah right, didn't think about that

    20:36:13 <phillw> it went well, and I am confident that Lubuntu will have 2 wiki admins out of a total of 13 Smile :)

    20:36:32 <phillw> end of report.

    20:36:39 <gilir> that would be cool Smile :)

    20:37:10 <phillw> gilir: just part of the master plan for lubuntu to take over the world Big Grin :)

    20:37:27 <kanliot> don't talk about that here

    20:37:32 <gilir> phillw, it's a secret Wink ;)

    20:37:51 <gilir> #topic MrChrisDruif - Offline documentation, wanted?

    20:38:12 <MrChrisDruif> Yes, littlegirl suggested this one actually

    20:38:16 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, let's introduce your topic, I'll add my point after Smile :)

    20:39:01 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, is it a copy of the wiki documentation available offline, or another documentation source ?

    20:39:01 <MrChrisDruif> Offline documentation is something for people who want to install Lubuntu on computers without internet connection

    20:40:00 <MrChrisDruif> Use-case: If I'd install Lubuntu on one of my grandparents computer e.g.

    20:40:33 <MrChrisDruif> They would just "use" it without trying to install new software

    20:41:04 <bioterror> would that offline documentation be localized? how about images?

    20:41:30 <MrChrisDruif> But if they have questions that aren't answered by the man-pages (if I could even explain to them how to get there) then this would come in handy

    20:41:49 <MrChrisDruif> To add to that are man-pages pretty technical most of the time

    20:42:29 <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; I don't know what you mean with images, but that offline documentation should be localized ideally

    20:42:55 <MrChrisDruif> The current kubuntu-docs was about 45MB if I remember correctly what littlegirl mentioned

    20:43:40 <wxl> MrChrisDruif: i think if i understand bioterror he means that traditionally localized documentation would be in the form of man pages which are pretty much incompatible with images and a lot of formatting that is to be expected with wiki pages

    20:43:46 <phillw> gilir: could 45MB be squeezed on?

    20:44:08 <gilir> phillw, space is not a problem on our CD

    20:44:13 <wxl> the only way i could see getting around that would be using html

    20:44:25 <wxl> somehow it would have to be integrated in such a way that it would be clear how to get help

    20:44:30 <MrChrisDruif> Not for this release of course, but this item on the gauge interest in this

    20:44:33 <gilir> my main concern is to maintain another source of documentation, disconnected from the wiki

    20:44:35 <Myrtti> bioterror: in practice that is for the local respins/remixes to do and include on the installation media, it could be packaged as a lubuntu-documentation-<ISO language code> whatever in the repos for downloading and the documentation included with the CD in the other flavours has AFAIK been HTML

    20:44:49 <wxl> a .desktop under System Tools perhaps

    20:44:58 <phillw> wxl: Mac comes with 'view internal help'. Love them or hate them, having that facility there is a plus.

    20:45:00 <MrChrisDruif> After that I'll have to look into how to make it happen

    20:45:03 <Myrtti> although my memories on the subject go back to 2006

    20:45:11 <wxl> and then how to syn?

    20:45:13 <wxl> sync i mean

    20:45:23 <wxl> i guess the only way for that to happen is it would have to be a package

    20:45:24 <kanliot> well IMHO, right now we have 0 offline documentation. We could start with a little documentation. like a few pages. Can we make that happen?

    20:45:34 <bioterror> Myrtti, if I remember right finns has own spin? I think I'll check it one day Wink ;)

    20:45:46 <Myrtti> yup

    20:45:59 <wxl> and on the back end someone would have to maintain the package, i.e. turn the raw wiki pages into a package for distribution

    20:46:02 <MrChrisDruif> kanliot; I think so, maybe not for this release but just accumulate over time

    20:46:19 <wxl> i love this idea, don't get me wrong, but it's not just a simple easy thing to do i don't think

    20:46:47 <Myrtti> sounds like a job for LaTeX/other similar markup language

    20:46:50 <MrChrisDruif> wxl; I'm not say it'll be easy, but this item is just to gauge interest

    20:46:53 <Myrtti> I've forgotten their names

    20:47:04 <MrChrisDruif> After that I'd have to look into how to make it happen

    20:47:25 <kanliot> can we agree to make the docs, not specific to any distribution, so we don't have to update it for each version?

    20:47:25 <phillw> wxl: in the past few months, we have been quietly getting all support to wiki. Exporting wiki to CD is not a major problem Smile :)

    20:47:30 <wxl> MrChrisDruif: well sometimes interest is not sufficient Big Grin :) the docs team is not composed of package maintainers (tho i'd be happy to take on the task!)

    20:47:34 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, the interest is real for everyone, just need a good way to do / maintain it

    20:47:56 <wxl> i hear many users in #lubuntu asking for help with this or that due to the lack of an internet connection

    20:48:06 <wxl> think of what a pain it must be for them to get online to ask!

    20:48:19 <wxl> and then imagine all the other folks that don't have that other option…

    20:48:21 <phillw> wxl: We can export our wiki area.

    20:48:53 <MrChrisDruif> Al right, I'll get in touch with kubuntu with how they do things. Hopefully they can teach us how to do it

    20:49:04 <phillw> I do not mean it is an easy task, but it is do-able.

    20:49:48 <kanliot> i don't like this project. it's too vague

    20:50:04 <wxl> kanliot: ?

    20:50:06 <phillw> kanliot: talk to me later Smile :)

    20:50:15 <gilir> #action MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily

    20:50:15 * meetingology MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily

    20:50:43 <MrChrisDruif> Thanks gilir, I just *love* ACTIONS _

    20:50:51 <gilir> Wink ;)

    20:51:14 <gilir> let's see how technicaly it's do-able, we will discuss it after Smile :)

    20:51:23 <MrChrisDruif> Agreed

    20:51:32 <gilir> #topic Any Other Business

    20:51:45 <phillw> gilir: can you #action me to update the Agenda page to state 24 hours notice is required... else I will forget!]

    20:52:06 <gilir> #action phillw to update the agenda page about updates 20:52:06 * meetingology phillw to update the agenda page about updates

    20:52:17 <gilir> thanks for the reminder Smile :)

    20:52:20 <MrChrisDruif> I think Ali needs to learn that teams can make their own guidelines

    20:52:21 <phillw> thnx Smile :)

    20:52:52 <MrChrisDruif> Just as a note on one of his suggestions

    20:53:13 <MrChrisDruif> No Other Business from me

    20:53:28 <phillw> MrChrisDruif: he is still a rough diamond, as is kanliot. Both have caused me to have 'discussions'.

    20:53:41 <gilir> ok, let's end this meeting then

    20:53:41 <kanliot> ya

    20:53:43 <Myrtti> IRC team?

    20:53:59 <gilir> Myrtti, Unit193 told me there was nothing to report

    20:54:06 <Myrtti> right

    20:54:10 <phillw> Myrtti: Unit193 had nothing to report, unless you do?

    20:54:14 <gilir> you want to add something ?

    20:54:54 <Unit193> Silverlion resigned.

    20:54:59 <Unit193> thanks, Myrtti.

    20:55:18 <Myrtti> np

    20:55:43 <gilir> ok, thanks for the info

    20:55:56 <gilir> #endmeeting

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