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   1 <ScottK> OK. No longer then.
   2 <aboutblank> moo.
   3 <seele> yo
   4 <xphisherx> hey guys
   5 <xphisherx> i haven't been at the meetings for a while
   6 <xphisherx> :/ work has been busy
   7 <aboutblank> can anyone else not see that person's nick? ^^^
   8 <aboutblank> oh. tee hee. i'm not used to xchat
   9 <xphisherx> my nick?
  10 <aboutblank> yeah, nevermind.
  11 <aboutblank> i'll call chuck if he doesn't show up in a sec
  12 <aboutblank> is Celeste in the room?
  13 <seele> yes
  14 * seele waves
  15 <chuckf> hi all
  16 * chuckf waves
  17 <xphisherx> hi chuck
  18 <seele> NOOOOO.. the storm took out the hockey game!
  19 <chuckf> it's thundering through here now
  20 <chuckf> so if I disappear, it's not Craig's fault
  21 <chuckf> :)
  22 <aboutblank> lol
  23 <chuckf> so are we ready to start?
  24 <seele> yes
  25 <chuckf> do you want to get us started?
  26 <seele> i might have to go to a bar to watch the hockey game after :(
  27 <seele> sure
  28 <chuckf> oh the tragedy of going to a bar to watch sports
  29 <seele> so, a few months ago during one of the loco meetings, someone (i forget who, i apologize) asked about ways the loco could be involved in usability testing
  30 <seele> more than just as participants, but as recruiters and actually administering the tests
  31 <seele> i think this is a pretty good idea, because everyone has friends and family who may use linux or might not and would be good participants
  32 <seele> also, since you know the person you are guiding through the software, you dont have to worry as much about moderator protocol as you do when you talk with a stranger
  33 <seele> the only difficulty in this is i would want to be at each of the sessions. we have two people in usability testing, one moderating, and the other taking notes
  34 <seele> since i am a designer and have experience with testing, id want to be at the sessions to help them get started, answer any questions, and be the designer taking notes
  35 <seele> the ubuntu desktop team has a few areas they are interested in, they call these experiences
  36 <seele> two of the ones covered at the recent ubuntu developer summit were the music experience and photo experience
  37 <aboutblank> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Experiences
  38 <seele> i think these would be two good scenarios to use in testing. i think we would have to pick one, or split groups to do two, because doing both will take too long
  39 <seele> usability testing sessions are about 1 hour long
  40 <chuckf> so what are the chances of getting some swag or sponsorship from Canonical or other group?
  41 <seele> we dont have to worry about recording software or anything fancy. we aren't judging performance as much as gathering live feedback, as long as we have a notetaker (me) then we shouldg et most everything
  42 <cgregan> So usability "workshops" would be held at a central location, like installfests?
  43 <seele> chuckf: i think there is a very good chance of that. i can contact the right people, but usually getting "stuff" takes time
  44 <seele> so that means we arent doing this next week, but maybe in a month or so
  45 <aboutblank> fair enough.
  46 <chuckf> okay
  47 <seele> CDs are nice, but T-Shirts and stickers are much nicer
  48 <seele> so.. logistics
  49 <seele> we need a count of how many people are seriously interested in this
  50 <aboutblank> since the Photos one *should* include a camera, I would suggest music
  51 <seele> where we want to do it (or two)
  52 <chuckf> how many can we run c?oncurrently
  53 <seele> aboutblank: i would actually suggest our participants to bring their own gear
  54 <aboutblank> touche
  55 <seele> this provides the most realistic environment, and it would be really good for the dev teams to see what hardware works in the wild
  56 <seele> it would be a good backup to have a camera and ipod that is known to work in case we get one that doesnt work
  57 <seele> chuckf: only one, since i want to be at each of the sessions
  58 <chuckf> that's going to be tough for alot of non tech people to break down and carry in
  59 <seele> chuckf: but we can have several in a row, say 3 or 4 in an afternoon at the library
  60 <seele> chuckf: and we can do that for a few days or few weekends in a row
  61 <seele> chuckf: maybe even at two locations to make it convenient for the different member locations (depends on who is seriously interested)
  62 <aboutblank> I don't think you two are on the same page, are we talking whole computer or CDs, camera, iPod?
  63 <seele> aboutblank: free gear/gifts for participation or gear for testing?
  64 <aboutblank> gear for testing
  65 <seele> ah, yes, a computer (or laptop) preferrably and extra monitor so we dont have two people up in the participant's face
  66 <seele> and a backup ipod or camera
  67 <aboutblank> no no, are the participants bringing their computer or just a camera/ipod/etc
  68 <chuckf> so it's not them bringing in their computers, just camers/ipod/etc
  69 <seele> aboutblank: just a camera/ipod
  70 <aboutblank> lol
  71 <chuckf> k
  72 <seele> aboutblank: we will provide the computer
  73 <aboutblank> it's sad when Chuck and I think the same.
  74 <seele> oh, sorry
  75 <xphisherx> i can bring two monitors (1 lcd, 1 crt) and at least 2 people for the actual test, if needed
  76 <phr0z1> Hi all
  77 <chuckf> I could probably rope a few people in
  78 <aboutblank> Hardware for testing will not be a problem. we can pull that together in a matter of hours
  79 <aboutblank> hey John
  80 <phr0z1> hey Craig
  81 <chuckf> hi John
  82 <aboutblank> what we need are participants and training
  83 <seele> yes, the next part i was going to talk about
  84 <phr0z1> Whats the topic? The bug day
  85 <seele> participants will be easy
  86 <aboutblank> John: usability testing
  87 <seele> we will do what we call in the biz a "friends and family recruit"
  88 <seele> basically you just ask whoever you can if they want to participate
  89 <seele> we could try to get half ubuntu users and half never used linux users
  90 <xphisherx> will we need to provide small snacks as an incentive, drinks, ice cream (i assume it will be hotter during the tests)
  91 <chuckf> and we're looking for novices or does it matter?
  92 <seele> chuckf: actually, i dont think it matters
  93 <seele> i think it matters more that we get variety if we dont care
  94 <seele> i wouldnt want to get 10 system admins or 6 mothers in there
  95 <aboutblank> I would assume we would want a variety so long as we tag them with an ability level...
  96 <seele> we can have them fill out questionnaires so we know what we are dealing with
  97 <phr0z1> How long do we need these victims to participate?
  98 <aboutblank> Right.
  99 <seele> phr0z1: sessions are usually an hour
 100 <seele> phr0z1: but they could be less if we find it more convenient and running through the software doesnt take so long
 101 <seele> any questions so far?
 102 <aboutblank> We have hardware, participants and it sounds like admins. Celeste, you would need to design the procedure, provide any forms to collect this data, and give some training
 103 <seele> yep
 104 <aboutblank> k.
 105 <chuckf> is training for us a seperate day or the morning of?
 106 <phr0z1> What are we doing about monitors? I can bring some boxes.
 107 <seele> chuckf: i think it depends on how easily we can get people together on whatever date
 108 <chuckf> seele, will be proctoring each one, so we will need maybe two pcs
 109 <seele> if we split the testing sessions up in to multiple days, we might want to have a loco meeting earlier in the week for beer and procedures
 110 <aboutblank> *highly recommending NOT day of*
 111 <aboutblank> <-- *cough* still under 21
 112 <seele> basically the set up would be the computer and monitor in front of the participant and the moderator sit next to them
 113 <chuckf> we'll give you water
 114 <seele> and then the second monitor on the other end of the table and out of the way so the participant doesnt feel crowded
 115 <seele> aboutblank: we can do it at a restaurant so you can get soda :)
 116 <seele> so the earliest i think we can do this is the weekend of July 20
 117 <phr0z1> BBL, gotta check if my stuff is flooding
 118 <seele> anyone know how hard it is to get library meeting rooms at the howard county library?
 119 <aboutblank> Chuck?
 120 <ScottK> With beer? probably pretty hard.
 121 <seele> i dont know if they are usually available on the weekends, ive only ever tried to get library rooms on a not busy workday
 122 <seele> ScottK: lol, not beer
 123 <seele> beer would be before somewhere else
 124 <chuckf> it's not hard most of the tiem
 125 <chuckf> to get the library rooms
 126 <chuckf> as long as we're not picky to the location
 127 <seele> ok, tentatively i would say July 19 and July 26, and if Sunday works out better for people, we can do a sunday instead
 128 <seele> we just need a table and power
 129 <seele> internet would be nice, but not required for photos. we'll have to sacrifice some functionality in music
 130 <chuckf> we should be able to get that. I'll email them and find out
 131 <seele> ok
 132 <chuckf> internet at the library is easy for the most part
 133 <aboutblank> Celeste, could you make the July 17th regular meeting and give us proctoring instructions?
 134 <seele> aboutblank: yeah, that is fine.. i was going to suggest one of the evenings ahead of time
 135 <chuckf> that's the gpg meeting
 136 <seele> but i want to see if the 19th or 26th is better for people
 137 <aboutblank> I haven't planned that far ahead yet
 138 <seele> it might be easier if we do 19/20 and 26/27, but people need to let us know
 139 <seele> i guess what we should do is set up a poll on the forum or a wiki page for people to express interest on a certain day, and how many people they are willing to look for
 140 <aboutblank> Indeed.
 141 <chuckf> we'll send an announcement to the list asking for what day/s work better and schedule from there?
 142 <seele> i wouldnt suggest more than 3 because it would be very tiring
 143 <seele> i think 2 would be the optimal number for someone to recruit and moderate
 144 <aboutblank> sweet. this is coming together.
 145 <phr0z1> I am more likely to be free on a saturday. But it is hard to project that far out at this time
 146 <seele> right
 147 <chuckf> and the library might be closed on sunday's through the summer
 148 <seele> i wouldnt suggest recruiting people until 2 weeks before testing
 149 <chuckf> btw, taxi's Rev Jim ep is coming on on WGN
 150 <phr0z1> Whats that?
 151 <seele> so.. let's see what we need to do now to get this rolling
 152 <seele> celeste: contact ubuntu/canonical for swag
 153 <seele> celeste: create testing scripts for music and photos
 154 <seele> chuck: check out the library schedule
 155 <seele> someone (chuck?): set up a poll to see how many people are interested in moderating and if those dates are ok
 156 <seele> anything else?
 157 <seele> we can worry about gear closer to testing
 158 <chuckf> I'll set the poll up
 159 <seele> ok
 160 <seele> it would be good to see if the library is open/closed on a sunday. some people mgiht not be able to make a saturday
 161 <ScottK> Summer hours are less now that school's out, IIRC
 162 <chuckf> I'll do that as well
 163 <seele> we might want to consider two locations
 164 <seele> because we have people up in baltimore and out in frederick
 165 <phr0z1> hmm. I think we might get in over our heads
 166 <seele> remember we need to get our friends and family to these places, and an hour drive is a bit much to ask
 167 <chuckf> if the frederick contingent wants to do this up there we'll look at the library there first I think
 168 <seele> phr0z1: no way, we can do this as long as people are committed
 169 <ScottK> seele: Just checked and this Sunday is the last Sunday they are open until the Fall.
 170 <seele> phr0z1: you just need to get people to location A at time X on day N
 171 <seele> ScottK: ok, thanks
 172 <seele> it looks like we will be working two saturdays unless we find a library that is open on a sunday somewhere else
 173 <seele> chuckf: i dont know where most people are located.. are most of the interested parties up your way?
 174 <chuckf> how many participants do you need to make this work?
 175 <seele> mmm.. we could write something up with as few as 6 or 8 participants
 176 <chuckf> seele, well as part of the poll we'll find out the frederick/columbia mix and go from there
 177 <aboutblank> i think most are around columbia - at least me and John, and chuck is pretty close
 178 <seele> but i would really like to get 10, that would be really significant
 179 <seele> we could see if the DC Loco wants to get involved in this too
 180 <seele> they do install fests at a library in DC
 181 <seele> chuckf: you know kevin cole?
 182 <chuckf> I've met him a couple times
 183 <seele> i'll email him and see if this is something he would be interested in
 184 <chuckf> cool
 185 <seele> we could do one weekend at howard county then another one in DC
 186 <chuckf> sounds like a plan
 187 <seele> that would give us a lot of people and us people closer to DC could test in DC
 188 <chuckf> so I think we're done with this topic now?
 189 <seele> i think so
 190 <chuckf> okay
 191 <chuckf> so the next thing is the global bug day
 192 <chuckf> good idea? I've had 4 people interested so far
 193 <chuckf> I'm thinking we'll do it at loyola if the room is avalable
 194 <aboutblank> seems like it - not a lot of people know how to triage
 195 <xphisherx> i have no clue what that event is.. but sounds interesting..
 196 <chuckf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam
 197 <phr0z1> I'm interested too
 198 <aboutblank> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1506
 199 <chuckf> basically getting people intereested in triaging bugs
 200 <chuckf> I'm thinking about an hour or so presentation in the morning then start triaging
 201 <chuckf> we'll have the overhead for whatever we need to do
 202 <xphisherx> wow.. this is pretty cool.. although i don't code.. i'll try to make it out :D
 203 <chuckf> I don't code either
 204 <chuckf> but part of this will be saying 'yes, it's a valid bug'
 205 <chuckf> or reassigning bugs to the proper category, marking dupes, etc
 206 <cgregan> The other part is about making sure all the information for recreating the issue is in the report
 207 <xphisherx> awesome.. i'm an expert in finding "bugs" mainly cause i have a tendency of exploring too much stuff.. I'm in ;)
 208 <chuckf> cool
 209 <chuckf> I'll try to get the loyola room for that saturday aug 9
 210 <aboutblank> I can't make that - Defcon
 211 <chuckf> you'd rather be in vegas than here?
 212 <chuckf> hehe
 213 <aboutblank> hellz yeah
 214 <chuckf> okay, so that's settled
 215 <chuckf> we'll work on details as we go along
 216 <chuckf> next is longer term, sep 20 we're registered for software freedom day
 217 <chuckf> http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/Ubuntumaryland
 218 <xphisherx> august 9th.. yipes.. i can't make it.. sorry.. i'll be at otakon. although i can use that time to pass out some ubuntu discs to a bunch of teenagers
 219 <aboutblank> are we getting stuff this year?
 220 <chuckf> as long as the shipping label doesn't fall off again, yeah
 221 <phr0z1> hehe
 222 <aboutblank> is that what happened? lol
 223 <chuckf> yeah, I got some guy's medication
 224 <chuckf> it had both labels on it
 225 <aboutblank> lol
 226 <chuckf> I'm thinking of doing classes/tutorials and demos
 227 <phr0z1> Funny. I got an order from Amazon the other day that had another package inside with someone else name
 228 <chuckf> was it good?
 229 <phr0z1> Thats a great idea. I don't think install fests are reaching the people we want at this time.
 230 <cgregan> So that's where my gold brick order went! ;-)
 231 <phr0z1> Nah just a book and 2 CDs. I sent it back to amazon.
 232 <chuckf> oh well
 233 <phr0z1> They gave me such a hassle about returning it I almost just threw it away.
 234 <chuckf> the next thing is the NSA museum trip
 235 <aboutblank> woot
 236 <phr0z1> Wow. I need a calendar for all of this stuff.
 237 <chuckf> if you're going, please put your name on the wiki
 238 <aboutblank> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarylandTeam/Events/FieldTrips/NSAMuseum
 239 <chuckf> phr0z1, yeah, two weeks ago I'm thinking "we need something to do" now its 4 projects
 240 <aboutblank> lol yeah
 241 <phr0z1> I guess I just need to visit the Wiki more actively :9
 242 <phr0z1> :(
 243 <chuckf> the CAlug is having a linux and computer forensics presentation next week.
 244 <phr0z1> cool
 245 <chuckf> then in July it's the GPG presentation
 246 <chuckf> then our July meeting will be helping people who have questions about gpg
 247 <chuckf> then the keysigning after the museum tour
 248 <phr0z1> Chuck, I want to go to the CAlug GPG meeting. Keep me informed
 249 <phr0z1> I gotta go guys. Its been fun.
 250 <chuckf> anything else?
 251 <chuckf> I'm heading over to the #ubuntu-meeting channel to see about getting approved. I just saw that someone unremarked my name from the list and i dont' want to not show up
 252 <chuckf> so if anyone wants to vouche for me, come on over if you have time
 253 <chuckf> otherwise, this meeting is now freeform
 254 <xphisherx> chuckf: i apologize that i haven't been able to work on the logo.. i'll try to work on it and have something back within the next few weeks.
 255 <chuckf> xphisherx, not to worry
 256 <chuckf> xphisherx, I'm really not stressing over it
 257 <xphisherx> cool.. thanks...i guess i'll catch everyone at the next meeting.
 258 <xphisherx> bye