- The accessibility profiles have been implemented. We need to finalize the various settings for the profiles, such as magnification window placement, the amount of magnification, speech rate, etc.
- Gok remedies - Gok brings up a warning about not being able to do pointer grabs without a modified X config. Determine whether anybody has found a way to get rid of it, or alternatively, look at how easy or difficult this may be to implement properly.
- Get the necessary packages onto the live CD ASAP. Discuss further what was brought up on the list as well as the gnome lists about flite compared to festival and disk space, as the devs of the gnome-speech speech-dispatcher driver seem to be discouraging its mainstream use at this time.
The TODO wiki page located at [WWW] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/TODO needs cleaning up and resorting, as it hasn't been updated since December, and a lot has happened between now and then.
- Making the Ubuntu CD's Accessible - We need a "dimple" or some other braille like marking on at least one of the Ubuntu CD's so that people know which one they have. [cjs on behalf of manoeuvre.org]
08:00 heno Hello all :) 08:00 TheMuso Hey heno. === terrex [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:01 heno Hi TheMuso. Thanks for organising the aganda and stuff 08:01 heno and generally holding the fort :) 08:01 dholbach Hey! :) 08:01 heno dholbach: ! how was your weekend ? ;) 08:02 dholbach Thanks heno - had a nice Saturday, with wandering through Berlin and a loooong party in the evening - Sunday just some bits of working and mostly recovering :) 08:02 dholbach How were your weekend? 08:02 dholbach weekends :) 08:03 heno nice thanks, had the place to myself. Did some good design work on TheOpenCD 08:03 heno (I was reffering to your missed meeting though) 08:03 dholbach Nice. 08:03 dholbach Yeah, I thought so. :-) 08:03 heno It's good to make those contacts though 08:04 dholbach well, I tried to gather up with the KDE a11y and usability folks (who met in Berlin) 08:04 TheMuso Nice. 08:04 heno We've just been in touch with some KDE access people 08:04 heno all good stuff 08:04 dholbach after I got there, I tried all the bells and doors, but they didn't hear me on the 4th floor (or wherever they were) 08:04 TheMuso I have also been talking on and off to Garry in the #kde-accessibility channel recently. He has been following what we are doing with great interest. 08:04 dholbach so I took my laptop the Ubuntu CDs and everything else to a nice walk through Berlin. .-) 08:05 dholbach But I'll meet with Ellen soon to catch up with. 08:05 TheMuso he has said on several occasions that KDE doesn't yet have the same as what GNOME has to offer in terms of accessibility. 08:05 Riddell heno: just remembered, I've not replied to your e-mail 08:05 dholbach hey Riddell 08:05 heno Riddell: np. What do you think? 08:06 Riddell heno: are you talking about a separate CD or an option on the live or install CD at boot time? 08:06 heno wil we get some Kubuntu AT love this release? :) 08:06 Riddell "AT"? 08:06 dholbach accessibility technology? 08:06 heno Assistive Technology 08:06 dholbach oh well 08:06 dholbach good enough for a non-native speaker ;) 08:07 heno I ws thinking as boot feature. Do you ship Kmag? 08:07 Riddell kdeaccessibility is in universe 08:07 heno ah, ok 08:08 Riddell but that can be fixed of course 08:08 dholbach :-D 08:08 TheMuso heno: We could still offer a derivative. 08:08 TheMuso Unless kdeaccessibility is promoted in the meantime. 08:08 heno yep 08:08 heno ok, so where are we with the current game plan? 08:08 TheMuso Riddell: The kubuntu live CD uses the same overall infrastructure as the Ubuntu one right? 08:09 TheMuso Have you looked at the agenda? 08:09 TheMuso https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda 08:09 heno yep, point 1 08:09 heno access profiles 08:09 Riddell TheMuso: yes 08:09 heno well done on getting those sorted, thanks :) 08:10 heno about the magnification, 8x sounds huge 08:10 heno but I'm no expert on that Well it actually wouldn't be too difficult to set up kubuntu profiles for accessibility from 08:10 TheMuso the same casper script if there was a way to identify what CD we are using, and once I knew how to modify/set KDE configuration files. 08:10 heno don't you end up scrolling sideways alot? 08:11 TheMuso I really wish others were here to give their opinion, as I haven't as yet received any email. === TheMuso jumps to the ubuntu-a11y mailbox. 08:11 dholbach yeah 08:11 TheMuso No, nothing. 08:11 heno So we just make a decision and go with it I think 08:11 TheMuso Yeah. 08:12 heno That small detail can be changed after feedback 08:12 dholbach TheMuso: casper uses the packages on livecd file system - so from there it should be easy to judge wether we're in ubuntu or kubuntu land 08:12 heno I would vote for 4x ... 08:12 TheMuso dholbach: Very true. Check for kubuntu-desktop for example. 08:12 dholbach TheMuso: or we can test for binaries we need 08:12 TheMuso heno: Ok will make a note of it. 08:12 heno The placement worries me more though. It seems to assume a certain screen rez 08:12 dholbach i have unfortunately not much of an opinion on the default settings 08:13 TheMuso I don't know how else we can work that 08:13 heno how would that work on a smaller screen? 08:13 TheMuso As the default placement IMO is crazy. 08:13 heno I guess you would still get something 08:13 heno agreed 08:13 TheMuso Yeah. 08:13 dholbach we could ask on the gnome a11y list 08:13 heno A larger screen should be no problem, just less optimal 08:13 heno dholbach: good idea 08:14 dholbach although i'm not entirely convinced they ship the best they can think of as a default already 08:14 TheMuso dholbach: Yeah, as we will be patching these gconf settings into the package anyway. 08:14 TheMuso dholbach: Neither do I. 08:14 heno I still need to thank them all for the detailed replies 08:14 dholbach TheMuso: yeah, if we have better defaults no need to change casper - we can change that in the packages directly 08:14 dholbach heno: yeah, that was great 08:15 TheMuso dholbach: Yeah. The only thing the script for casper should do is turn on or off the ke settings that make things available or not when GNOME starts. 08:15 heno OK, so we'll just pick the position setting in your mail and call that settled ? 08:15 TheMuso Yep. We still have time to test so we can hopefully get feedback. 08:15 dholbach yes 08:15 heno ok, point 2? 08:16 heno I guess that's an upstream bug really 08:16 TheMuso hmmm 08:16 dholbach *nod* 08:16 heno they need to get used to the idea of fixing that 08:16 dholbach at least we could ask for pointers 08:16 dholbach :))) 08:16 TheMuso No pun intended right? :) 08:16 heno I still havent 100% understood the problem 08:16 TheMuso Me neither. 08:17 TheMuso Something to do with gok getting more direct hardware access to the mouse. === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549FA8B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:17 heno Gok just needs more testing and exposure generally which we will hopefully provide 08:17 TheMuso Yeah. 08:18 heno Has anyone else experienced my panel crashing bug? 08:18 heno I've asked other random people to test on dapper 08:18 TheMuso heno: I will be totally honest and say that I haven't played with GOK AT ALL> 08:18 TheMuso LATELY 08:18 heno but so far it works for everyone else 08:19 dholbach i guess that was the at-spi / gail changes that made it work again 08:19 heno it's a quick test: just install and start somethinmg from the gnome panel while gok is running 08:19 TheMuso Righto. 08:19 heno if nothing crashes you're ok === TheMuso flicks over to oher box to try. === sorush20 [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:20 heno I've not tested it today after the latest updates 08:20 heno anyway, it doesn't look like a showstopper for us === jarufe [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:21 dholbach i seem safe 08:21 heno works for most and doesn't get in anyones way 08:21 TheMuso ok 08:22 TheMuso Nice to see GNOME is killing its processes properly now. :) 08:23 sorush20 so what are you guys trying to make more accessible? 08:23 heno So I guess the conclusion on GOK is that it works acceptibly now 08:23 dholbach sorush20: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda is our agenda 08:23 TheMuso So if it is just a matter of running something from the panel while GOK is running, there seems to be no problem. I haven't updated today either. 08:24 dholbach sorush20: we're discussing point 2 atm 08:24 heno and if we have time, enenergy and brains to make it better for dapper we will 08:24 heno but it can go in as it is 08:24 TheMuso Yeah. 08:25 heno Cool. I might be I have funky hardware or that a reinstall would fix it 08:25 heno I'll try it on the Live CD too when it turns up there 08:25 heno Great! point 3? 08:26 heno Is there somewhere we can see the packages currently on the live cd? 08:26 heno germinate something or other? 08:26 TheMuso heno: Yes there is. Give me a sec. 08:26 ogra heno, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/live 08:27 ogra and http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/desktop 08:27 heno ogra: thanks. and hello :) 08:27 TheMuso Thanks ogra. 08:27 ogra (live contains desktop) 08:27 heno ogra: are you absorbing all these cool new AT features into Edubuntu? 08:28 ogra not yet 08:28 ogra i have massive space probs 08:28 TheMuso So it seems that the packages we need are not there yet. 08:28 dholbach we really need to know how much all these packages will take 08:28 heno ah, ok 08:28 ogra (cat include the example content) 08:28 TheMuso I found the same when checking one of the dalies the other day. 08:28 heno dholbach: yeah, I'm still in the dark on that 08:28 ogra *cant 08:29 heno ogra: hm, shame 08:29 ogra yup 08:29 dholbach ogra: it's just 8,7M :) 08:29 heno ogra: are you carrying the winfoss? 08:29 heno that will shrink this time 08:29 ogra dholbach, i dont even have 1M free 08:29 ogra heno, nope 08:29 ogra only edubuntu 08:29 dholbach ogra: throw away openoffice and add the accessibility stuff 08:30 heno I'm making some unilateral cuts :) 08:30 ogra and as long as we ship kdeedu we wont have space 08:30 heno makes sense 08:30 ogra dholbach, nope, i'll replace the kde stuff in dapper+1 08:30 heno replace OOo with koffice? 08:30 sorush20 I can't even start gok 08:31 heno sorush20: have you installed at-spi and restarted the X session? 08:31 heno sorush20: try starting it from the command line 08:31 heno see if you get any errors there 08:32 sorush20 heno: shouldn't that be part of the dependency that needes to be installed.. I get the error that can't find registery.. 08:32 heno sorush20: it should yes 08:32 dholbach sorush20: could you file a bug about that and include which version of ubuntu you use? 08:32 sorush20 its running now thanks.. but at-spi sould be installed with it.. 08:33 sorush20 oka 08:33 dholbach thanks 08:33 heno brb 08:33 TheMuso I will see if I can chace up the total size of packages needing to be installed. 08:33 dholbach that'd make it easier to start a disciussion 08:34 sorush20 what packages are you guys talking about ... and will there be a gui fo me to just check box the assistive stuff or will there be a blue screen? 08:35 TheMuso Good old speakup. Managed to cause a bit of a kernel oops of some sort when trying to press several keys at once or close to each other. 08:35 TheMuso An now on another machine while I wait for that box to reboot. :) 08:36 sorush20 brrb 08:36 heno sorush20: a black screen actually: http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/images/screenshots/dapper/flight4/gfxboot-big.png 08:37 heno and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GreatFeaturesOfUbuntu?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=AT-boot-menu.png 08:37 sorush20 heno: so it hasn't changed.. that is bad... there should be something similar to xp installation where you can select extra stuff like a gui.. 08:38 heno sorush20: actually our solution is better than the XP one 08:39 heno youb select this technology at the very first screen and off you go 08:39 dholbach it does the right thing for you 08:40 heno I've seen some shots of the vista installer though and that's looking strong on this 08:40 heno so they're catching up :) 08:40 heno dholbach: the Live boot 08:40 TheMuso heno: It won't be accessible AFAIK. I guess you have a point.. although I think you would agree that it would be better if there 08:40 sorush20 were some icons.. like a disabled wheel chair.. stuff. like that to make it more visually enhanced.. 08:40 heno I tried a live CD a few days ago, but I got no boiot at all then 08:40 TheMuso No good for us people with vision impairements. 08:41 TheMuso heno: I don't even think my casper stuff is on the live CD yet. 08:41 heno Ah, the wheelchair picture is therrible! :) 08:41 TheMuso Mithrandir only merged it a couple of days ago 08:41 sorush20 TheMuso: you have a big point there.. 08:41 heno I need to email the icon designer and make sure we don't get that :) 08:41 Mithrandir TheMuso: it could be on tomorrows if you want. 08:42 heno Mithrandir: yes please :) 08:42 TheMuso Mithrandir: No point in doing so until we have the necessary packages. 08:42 TheMuso on the live CD. 08:42 TheMuso Which is the point we are still discussing. 08:42 TheMuso I am trying to work out here just how much space they would take up, so bare with me guys 08:43 heno so what is the right process for that? 08:43 heno thanks We need to finalize what speech approach we are going to take, and if we have to use flite due 08:43 TheMuso to space constraints, there is no choice but to use speech-dispatcher. Yeah the driver is young, but we have no choice. 08:44 heno sorush20: here is a description of how it will work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress/Accessibility 08:45 heno the irony is that it doesn't seem to take that much less space 08:45 sorush20 how are you guys going to do documentation for blind people? 08:45 heno I'm hoping to push the new slimmer WinFOSS package out Sunday-ish, which should clear up a ton of space 08:45 sorush20 talking about the interface between brail writer and linux? 08:45 Riddell heno: what will (or not) be in that? 08:46 heno Then the plan is to just grab it again ;) 08:46 heno Riddell: I'll remove OpenOffice and see if people cry 08:46 Riddell that should free some space :) 08:46 heno the mailing lists seemed to agree on that 08:47 heno but I'll add some stuff 08:47 Riddell heno: will you do the same for the kubuntu winfoss? 08:47 heno of course some wanten no winfoss at all 08:47 TheMuso Ok. The debs themselves are about 10.6MB. When installed, 40.5MB will be used on disk. 08:47 heno Riddell: didn't we already skip OO on kubuntu? 08:47 TheMuso Give or take a few meg. 08:48 heno TheMuso: that's not too bad 08:48 Riddell heno: don't think so, can't actually remember now 08:48 heno Riddell: btw, I have anew layout now which IMHO is look sweet :) 08:48 heno http://www.theopencd.org/LayoutIdeas 08:48 heno (sorry OT) 08:48 TheMuso heno: Thats not entirely accurate, as I am trying to work this out on a dapper chroot atm. That is with flite though. 08:49 TheMuso But as close as I can get it. 08:49 heno ah, ok 08:49 heno I'd be very interested to see Festival too 08:49 TheMuso Hang on. 08:50 TheMuso Festival on its own is about 16.1MB. === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549FA8B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["...] === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549FA8B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:52 heno So we might land on about 22 as the Sun-gnome guys suggested 08:52 dholbach which packages? installed size? 08:52 heno that would be ok 08:52 heno deb size I guess 08:52 TheMuso We are concerned with the installed size as debs aren't used on the Live CD. 08:53 heno True, but I guess they give an idea of how well it compresses 08:53 TheMuso Yeah thats true. 08:54 TheMuso SHould have a deacent figure for you in a sec for gnome-speech with festival. 08:54 heno cool 08:55 heno enrico: did you ever get openoffice or firefox to talk to you in Italian? 08:55 heno I was reading about your efforts on planet debian I think 08:55 TheMuso There is only 3MB difference between flite and festival it seems. 08:56 dholbach hrm 08:56 heno right, so the choice seems obvious. perhaps flite is bundled with too much stuff? 08:56 TheMuso Festival packages compress down to about 5948KB from 16MB or so. 08:57 TheMuso I don't know. === lbm [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:57 TheMuso Festival would actually be a safer route, as it is an already tested gnome-speech setup 08:57 heno I think we should lobby for Festival then 08:57 heno yep 08:57 TheMuso Mind you that doesn't include any other voices for other languages. 08:57 enrico heno: haven't done that try yet 08:58 heno how big is GOK by comparison? 08:58 enrico heno: but I should be about to get a small working plan approved (and paid) 08:58 TheMuso heno: Well in that case, we also need to get libgnome-speech3, gnopernicus, libatspi1.0-0, at-spi and gok onto the CD. 08:58 heno enrico: really, to work on accessibility stuff? cool! 08:58 dholbach what about gnome-mag? 08:58 TheMuso and gnome-mag === TheMuso would love to be paid for working on accessibility. :) 08:59 TheMuso BUt that will come in time. :) 08:59 heno what do you mean 'in that case'? Festival route? 08:59 dholbach how much would that weigh in? 09:00 heno TheMuso: definately! you are getting a proven track record as an expert :) 09:00 TheMuso heno: Gnome-speech with festival has been used dand tested extensively. It is a proven speech setup. 09:00 enrico heno: nothing signed yet, fingers crossed, lots of final work to do in the next few days 09:01 enrico TheMuso: we're talking not many hours so far, unfortunately. But the good thing is that we are talking for a small pilot project to see how we get alng 09:01 TheMuso dholbach: about 37.9MB. It was bigger before for flite due to other gnome libraries having to be installed. 09:01 TheMuso So flite would probably be 34 or so. === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549FA8B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:01 heno TheMuso: is that the total with gok and everything? 09:02 dholbach + the speech-dispatcher dependencies 09:02 TheMuso heno: Yes. 09:02 TheMuso dholbach: That is not including speech-dispatcher or flite. 09:02 heno which we don't need with Festival 09:02 dholbach dotconf and speech-tool 09:02 dholbach dotconf and speech-tools 09:02 TheMuso They only get included with flite. 09:02 dholbach phew 09:03 dholbach yeah 09:03 heno TheMuso: OK, cool. It's good to have an approximate number number 09:03 TheMuso So as much as flite is smaller, I reckon we push for festival. 09:03 TheMuso festival is in main anyway. 09:03 heno I'll email the people who decide and ask nicely 09:04 TheMuso But for future relesaes, if the speech-dispatcher driver gets better, I would like to pursue that route for speech. 09:04 TheMuso heno: Thanks. 09:04 heno And Festival sounds soooo much better IMO 09:04 TheMuso Once we have the packages on the CD, we can then get the casper stuff done and start testing. 09:05 TheMuso Festival in the future allows for further language expansion should we need it. 09:05 heno TheMuso, dholbach: could one of you end me a list of the package names 09:05 heno ? for my email 09:05 TheMuso I have your address. Sending now. 09:06 heno thanks TheMuso: note that festival might not be the synthesis of choice for some languages. For 09:06 enrico example, while festival is a decent synthesis for Italian, there's a proprietary synthesis called 'Eloquence', for Linux, which is light years better 09:08 TheMuso Sent. === sorush20 [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:08 sorush20 is the meeting finished.? 09:08 TheMuso enrico: I know, but that is proprietary. We can't ship that. 09:08 TheMuso sorush20: We still have another point to discuss. 09:09 enrico TheMuso: sure 09:09 heno got it thanks 09:09 heno So point 4: the todo list needs cleaning up 09:09 heno Which is good news 09:09 enrico TheMuso: I just wanted to point out that I wish festival shouldn't be too hardcoded into things 09:10 dholbach yeah :-)))) 09:10 heno perhaps we should split it into a dapper and a deferred section 09:10 TheMuso enrico: It isn't. However I don't see how that synth would work. Can you point me to some info about it? 09:10 TheMuso heno: SOunds good. 09:11 heno enrico: we should even consider making a derivative at some point where some priprietary stuff could in theory go in 09:11 TheMuso heno: Or at least packages to help one install proprietary stuff. 09:11 heno right 09:11 TheMuso As there are a few synths that gnome-speech supports that are proprietary, and I have access to them, i.e bought copies for testing. 09:12 TheMuso And on my laptop, I use one of them on a daily basis 09:12 heno One point on the todo list that we might want to bring up is documentation 09:13 TheMuso I am not good at docs. :) 09:13 heno that was doing really well but seems to have stalled 09:13 enrico TheMuso: should be around http://www.speechworks.com/demos/eti.cfm but I can't get to it now 09:13 TheMuso I think Jason is busy with life stuff. 09:13 heno I think Jaso got really busy 09:13 enrico TheMuso: more info will come when I'll actually lay my hands on it 09:13 enrico heno: for Italian, that'd be something I'd do 09:13 enrico heno: (I mean, the derivative) 09:14 TheMuso I get a download question. Won't let me view it as it should. 09:14 heno enrico: cool 09:14 enrico TheMuso: :( I get a white page and a 1x1 pixel popup 09:15 heno I've spoken with mdke on the doc team and they arehappy to include it if we have something ready 09:15 TheMuso enrico: Worked out why, and I know eactly the synth you are talking about, as it is used in JAWS for Windows, and many mobile applications. 09:15 heno it would go in yelp 09:15 dholbach brb 09:15 TheMuso Eloquence is a well known synth in the blind community. 09:16 TheMuso THey changed name to Nuance COmmunications. 09:16 TheMuso Or something like that. TheMuso: there'd even be a 'Loquendo' for Italian which should be even better, but it has no 09:16 enrico Linux binaries as I know of. Although I could have extreme plans of running it as a TCP service in a Window virtual machine inside a vmware player and making it speak from Linux :) 09:16 enrico (kind of like my old dosgate hack) 09:17 TheMuso Go to www.nuance.com for more info. 09:17 enrico But please, don't make me digress on proprietary software. That's a stinky bit that shouldn't be particularly supported by this group. 09:18 TheMuso I know. 09:18 TheMuso I am all for free software, but proprietary synths are so much better. 09:18 TheMuso But that is another story. 09:19 heno Right, so we are at the end of the agenda I think 09:19 heno any other items? 09:19 TheMuso Not from me atm. 09:20 TheMuso dholbach: I should have a patch for gnopernicus with gconf settings later today. === enrico should add a small point 09:20 enrico about self 09:20 dholbach TheMuso: that'd be great 09:20 enrico If all goes well I'm about to sign a small contract (100 hours for 2006) with a local high-tech center for the blind 09:20 dholbach TheMuso: we'll have a status update meeting at 2:00 utc, so i'll be awake for quite a while 09:21 TheMuso Ok. 09:21 TheMuso It shouldn't take all that long. 09:21 enrico they have skilled people (but not on Linux) and a big archive of accessibility hardware 09:21 TheMuso Then I can remove those changes from the casper script and push them through. 09:21 enrico the idea is to try to start looking at accessibility of free software, and atm that means Ubuntu 09:21 TheMuso Yeah. 09:22 heno enrico: cool. Look forward to working with you on that :) 09:22 enrico plans go along the line of "first get to do it. Then document it. Then improve it." 09:22 heno sounds like a good plan 09:22 enrico I look forward to working with you all on that 09:22 enrico and of course I hope the project goes well and it can be continued 09:22 dholbach cool :) 09:23 enrico documentation will be mainly in Italian, or centered at having an Italian speaking desktop 09:23 TheMuso It would be nice to get some of the team at least at the next conference. 09:23 enrico I could do translation of it, though 09:24 heno TheMuso: dholbach and I will certainly be there === TheMuso is going to try and get sponsored to get there. 09:24 dholbach wooo! :) 09:24 enrico Ubuntu confs are fun 09:24 TheMuso Or seek other funding to help. 09:25 heno TheMuso: cool! We'll support you :) 09:25 TheMuso Cool, thanks guys. Even if sponsorship doesn't happen, there are other sources of funding I can certainly look at, which may help me get there anyway. 09:27 heno OK, I will go write some emails. Thanks guys. Good meeting! 09:27 enrico heno: thanks for telling me of the meeting. I was in need of a pretext to tell everyone what I should going to be up to :) 09:27 heno heh 09:27 TheMuso heno: Thanks again. 09:28 dholbach thanks guys for all the good work you did :) 09:29 TheMuso No problem. 09:29 heno yep, we've got a good little core team going now :) 09:29 Riddell who's the best person to talk to about live cd accessibility profile for kubuntu? 09:30 heno depends on what aspect, probably TheMuso or Mithrandir or Kamion 09:30 heno or yourself :) 09:30 Riddell just need to find out how it's done so we can do the equivalent thing 09:31 TheMuso Riddell: FOr the GNOME accessibility settings, we are directly setting stuff in gconf. 09:31 dholbach Riddell: one part of it is in casper's casper-bottom/30accessibility 09:33 TheMuso The other part will be in the packages we ship on the CD. 09:33 TheMuso i.e gnopernicus will have the settings we want patched into it. 09:34 TheMuso So what you see in the casper script is going to change quite a lot in the next day or so. 09:35 Riddell where can I find that script? 09:36 TheMuso Ok guys, I'm outa here. Ping me in #ubuntu-accessibility or query me if you need anything. 09:36 TheMuso If you are using bzr, pull a branch from Mithrandir's casper trunk. 09:36 Riddell TheMuso: thanks 09:36 TheMuso I can get the address for you if you like.