hey guys. seems like mhz and klepas won't make it, so
12:00 artnay let's start with an introduction. have you updated
your wiki info?
12:00 Riddell kubuntu ultra?
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12:00 Viper550 KDM theme...
12:00 Riddell Viper550: got a URL?
12:01 manicka not lately
12:01 Viper550 ps. kubuntu-default-settings is not installed.
12:01 Viper550 http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29331
12:02 artnay https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal - does
anyone have suggestions on structure?
Viper550: you must have installed kdm at some point
12:02 Riddell from packages, else you wouldn't have a kdmrc that
pointed to the kubuntu theme
12:02 Viper550 I did install KDM, I said that earlier if you wern't
listening
12:03 Riddell well it depends on kubuntu-default-settings so you
should have the kubuntu kdm theme installed too
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No, it didn't install any Kubuntu stuff, everything I
12:04 Viper550 have is from Base KDE 3.5 (Started as 3.4, then
apt-get upgraded to 3.5 from the repos)
12:04 Viper550 It's either a miracle, or APT was confused
12:05 Riddell spooky
12:05 artnay shall we start by having a wiki discussion?
12:05 Viper550 Spooky, I got KDE and KDM, and it didn't even give me Kubuntu stuff, oh yeah the new Kubuntu
wall is simliar to the KDE 3.5 one for some reason.
12:05 bachler hi all
12:06 lukacu hello
12:06 artnay hey bachler
12:06 Viper550 Maybe we should start on Kubuntu first
12:06 bachler sry to be late
12:06 artnay Viper550: and which part?
12:06 Viper550 We were just discussing my APT weirdness, let's talk KDM first
12:07 Viper550 You can guess where I got that idea from... :)
12:07 artnay every *buntu should have its own Artwork subcategory. to do that, there's also need for
unified structure between these *buntuArtwork pages
12:09 artnay could we discuss about that structure? does anyone have suggestions as tree view lists?
12:09 Viper550 Maybe our default Kubuntu kdm should be based off this:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24365
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12:09 artnay hey mhz_idle, you made it ;)
12:10 mhz_idle not really, artnay sorry
12:10 mhz_idle please read -artwork :(
12:10 artnay mhz_idle: do you have that list?
12:10 Viper550 Oh wait, are we just discussing Wiki structure now, if yes, I will hide under KWall
12:11 bachler are we discussing wiki structure or kde/kdm?
12:11 artnay Viper550: that is the most important case at the moment. we can't expect people to
participate if they are unable to find needed information
12:11 Viper550 Okay...
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12:12 artnay https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam
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12:13 artnay when it comes to different *buntus, that page should tell which projects a person is attached
to
12:13 lukacu hi volvoguy
12:13 volvoguy howdy all! what'd i miss? :)
12:13 artnay so, after the discussion, could you all fill something like Kubuntu/KWin after your name
12:14 artnay that would help a lot
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12:15 artnay what do you think? have you all read the context under /Artwork?
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12:15 volvoguy artnay, heading there now to catch up.
12:15 artnay I don't want to have a monolog here :)
12:15 bachler i have read it
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12:16 volvoguy ok. i'm there.
12:16 artnay what topics would you like to discuss? I know there's lots of things listed, so can we take
the most important ones on table
12:16 Viper550 I'm where? artworktodo list?
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12:17 klepas sorry I'm late :)
12:17 lukacu klepas, hi
12:17 libervisco hey klepas
12:17 Viper550 What wiki page are we discussing? /artwork ?
12:18 artnay Viper550: mainly /*buntuArtwork
12:18 artnay /Artwork isn't that challenging
12:19 artnay can we have a unified structure? are there people from Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu?
12:19 Riddell I'm from Kubuntu
12:19 klepas i think a unified structure would serve us best
12:19 manicka <--Ubuntu
12:19 artnay *nods for KDE*
artnay, one thing that was never clear to me was who we answered to. we can talk about all
12:19 volvoguy this stuff until we're blue in the face, but for the last release, all my contact with
canonical people fell on deaf ears.
12:19 volvoguy <-- Ubuntu
12:19 trevorv I'm a Xubuntu user, not developer, but I can do some work on the wiki
12:19 bachler why don't Kubuntu, Edubuntu and Xubuntu adopt from the main Ubuntu page?
12:20 bachler or wathever layout is the best
12:20 manicka <--edubuntu as well
12:20 volvoguy bachler, perhaps subpages rather than seperate pages?
12:20 artnay volvoguy: did you contact them by mail?
12:20 volvoguy artnay, yeah.
12:20 lukacu <-- Ubuntu
12:20 Riddell volvoguy: some of the ubuntu artwork is contracted out professionally so there's an issue of
balancing community with the paid for stuff
12:20 Riddell Kubuntu doesn't have that issue of course, I'm very welcome of all contributions :)
12:21 Viper550 What about some of my works that I put under the mailing list?
12:21 artnay Riddell: true. canonical hasn't provided much guides and AUC is problematic, too
12:21 mhz artnay: okis, I found a 'brake'
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12:21 klepas well let us do through the wiki issues first :)
12:22 artnay Viper550: ML isn't the best place
12:22 klepas Oh, did we do introductsions for any minutes purposes?
i had contact with administrative people as well as developers and artists at canonical -
12:22 volvoguy supposedly working with the community - but with very little response to my inquiries. i'm
not trying to be a downer, but i think it's an issue that needs to be addressed before we put
dozens or hundreds of manhours into our own work.
12:22 Viper550 Well, we've all been on it, and we've not minded. Also, they considered it for some new
universe artwork package thingy
12:23 klepas yep
12:23 Yetzero I think contacting the 'big ones' at canonical should get priority
12:23 volvoguy Viper550, that's a good point - if we're meant to be supplimental artwork, then it doesn't
really matter what Canonical does. :)
12:23 Yetzero as volvoguy said
12:23 klepas this is something that needs to be fixed
12:23 artnay volvoguy: there are rumours that canonical is hiring people to work on artwork
12:23 Viper550 Mailing List considered my new Glow wallpaper for universe artwork...
12:24 artnay but we really don't know which parts
12:24 klepas can this be brought up at something like the Community Council?
12:24 Yetzero that's what we need to know first
12:24 volvoguy artnay, that's the same situation as previous releases.
12:24 klepas or elsewhere?
12:24 artnay but we do know that canonical would like to have some community artwork
12:25 Viper550 This is OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE!!! Anyone can contribute anything!
12:25 artnay sure, but it doesn't guarantee anything at all
12:25 libervisco Hm, if there's this discrepancy between canonical official artworkers and community
artworkers than that could be a problem, if the roles of both haven't been defined properly
12:25 Yetzero in that case they'll need only proffesional quality artwork, after all, it's the image of
their product
12:25 klepas so can this be brought up at a community council meeting?>
12:25 Yetzero so we need to be clear about what we can or cannot do
12:25 klepas or where should it be brought up?
12:25 artnay libervisco: have our goals defined? *g*
for breezy we got a last minute email from (nameless dev) asking where all our contributions
12:25 volvoguy were and a few of us spent hours getting things together, only to be completely disregarded
when it came to the release.
12:26 Viper550 Image of their OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE, remember those 3 little words that Ubuntu stands on?
Remember them like the Alamo!
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12:26 bachler are we slipping away from the wikilayout problem?
12:26 klepas yep
12:26 klepas lets get that through first
12:26 artnay bachler: we already slipped
12:26 libervisco artnay, heh well, I don't have anything like that, just making an observation, but anything
can be achieved in a good discussion :)
12:26 klepas working backwards through the contents of this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList
12:26 mhz Viper550: you are right on that, but the idea behind 'organizing' is to avoid double work, is
to advance better
12:26 Viper550 Meowth, that's right! (I just had to do that)
12:27 volvoguy remember... i'm an ubuntu fanatic all the way, so i'm not trying to pick a fight... just
trying to bring past issues to light.
12:27 mhz klepas: this can perfectly be raise in CC
12:27 klepas yep
12:27 klepas mhz: good
12:27 Riddell volvoguy: were there requests for specific artwork that you answered?
12:27 Yetzero that's something we need to know beforehand
12:28 Yetzero so we can focus on getting that done
12:28 artnay well it didn't work last time, but we have plenty of time before dappers get wild
12:28 volvoguy Riddell, mostly - it was background images being looked for and we presented at least a
dozen.
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12:28 mhz How many of you guys have been editing wiki pages on regular basis?
12:28 Gnobdy hey
12:28 artnay hi Gnobdy
12:28 klepas Guys, keeping on track with our improvised agenda would be helpful.
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList)
12:28 klepas let's discuss the wiki issue
12:29 bachler yeah
12:29 klepas and then move on
12:29 volvoguy by the way, while i was gone, did sonebody else get voted as art team coordinator?
12:29 mhz klepas: yuo
12:29 mhz yup
12:29 bachler so, volvoguy said something about subcategories?
12:29 Viper550 Also, you goofed up the ending, KDM is a display manager. KDM is to GDM as KDE is to GNOME
12:29 mhz How many of you guys have been editing wiki pages on regular basis?
12:29 klepas wiki, guys
12:29 klepas mhz: i have
12:29 mhz (i ask that to know what the basis of our discussion will be)
12:29 mhz klepas: thx
12:30 Viper550 Let's talk about the gold, the actual artwork...
12:30 klepas i tried updating some of the pages. they sure are dusty ;)
12:30 klepas Viper550: there is a sort of agenda - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList - let us work
from that
12:30 artnay we could have at least two people editing a specified /*buntuArtwork
12:30 Gnobdy I think the defualt gtk theme needs upgrading for Dapper
12:30 volvoguy this is my first attempt at getting back into the swing of things after my surgery. no wiki
editing for me lately.
12:30 mhz I have some experience on moin wiki and I have read what artnay proposes. I agree with the
need to structure our contents
12:30 Viper550 It is having upgrades, Dapper Flight 2 has a new Cairo enabled Human theme
12:31 klepas Guys, wiki please
12:31 klepas two groups talking about different things is hard
12:31 mhz Many users either just dont edit or just dont get the content they look for
12:31 Viper550 GTK theme is on the wiki!
12:31 klepas in one channel
12:31 volvoguy yeah. shall we go through the todo?
12:31 mhz that is mainly due to the freedom wiki gives
12:31 Gnobdy Viper550 I think the colours need to change more specifically
12:31 klepas Viper550: we're working backwards :)
12:31 mhz (which is a good freedom)
12:31 Gnobdy the redish brown is ugly
12:31 Viper550 No, that happens AFTER Dapper according to the Shuttleworth memoirs
12:32 artnay oh, something green: http://hdr.unk.fi/~artnay/leaf_by_machine6featUbuntu.png :) *seriously,
let's focus on wiki*
12:32 mhz ok... Are we discussing WIKI or ART ?
12:32 Gnobdy he said it could change to something other than brown after dapper not that the shade of
brown couldn't change this release
12:32 Viper550 ART!!!!!!!
12:32 libervisco WIKI
12:32 volvoguy i think we only have control over alternate themes anyway - not the defaults.
12:32 mhz :D
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12:32 klepas i propose wiki
12:32 klepas it is important
12:32 lukacu WIKI about ART
12:32 Viper550 If that is the case, I run and hide under KWall
12:32 bachler artnay: good one, :-P, yeah lets keep to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList
12:32 artnay yeah, wiki is the first priority
12:33 Viper550 The ART on the WIKI?
12:33 klepas Guys. we're working through it backwards
12:33 klepas so wiki first
12:33 artnay Viper550: no, let's use AUC for submitting art
12:33 klepas mailing list issues next
12:33 mhz Viper550: to do that we need to structure the wiki to our ART needs, first
12:33 mhz ok, so we are all in favoru of wiki 1st?
12:33 klepas the wiki is very important
12:34 mhz ok
12:34 lukacu ok
12:34 klepas yep
12:34 Viper550 What is this AUC you talk about?
12:34 klepas art.ubunut.com
12:34 mhz How many of you are already editing wiki pages?
12:34 Yetzero let's follow the agenda, wiki first
12:34 klepas *ubuntu
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12:34 bachler can anyone explain the problem with the *buntuArtwork pages so that everyone understands
whats wring with them
12:34 Viper550 Oh, just figured that out 1 second before you said that
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12:34 artnay to discuss artwork in specified project, there would be /Artwork -> /*buntuArtwork ->
/UbuntuMetacityArtworkDiscussion
12:34 artnay and one could attach an image with it
12:35 artnay but AUC would be improved and that would be the first place to submit artwork
12:35 klepas that is logical
12:35 artnay screenshots could belong on ubuntuforums
12:35 mhz artnay: that would be as messy as it is now
12:35 klepas let's discuss each section
12:35 Viper550 But, that requires registeration for large thumbnails!
12:35 artnay mhz: I don't know. we need a unified structure of /*buntuArtwork
12:35 mhz What does ArtWork need a wiki for?
12:36 klepas the /Artwork would be a central page
12:36 Viper550 wiki.ubuntu.com
12:36 artnay mhz: ok, let's keep it ArtWork then
12:36 mhz hehe
12:36 mhz sorry
12:36 mhz I forgot about that
12:36 volvoguy mhz, so we know what we're working on, and new people know what to do when they join the
project
12:36 klepas yep
12:36 mhz volvoguy: ok, then
12:36 klepas next is /*buntuArtwork
12:37 mhz What are the common 'areas for each ArtWork flavour?
12:37 klepas for each respectively: Kubuntu. Ubuntu. Xubuntu, Edubuntu and so fort
12:37 klepas *forth
12:37 bachler Logo
12:37 artnay mhz: there's some listed at /ArtworkTodoList
12:37 Viper550 Let's do Artnay's idea
12:37 manicka then the wiki must clearly outline how the projects are progressing and what needs doing
12:37 mhz yeas I read it
12:37 Viper550 I've got an edit lock on UbuntuMetacityArtwork already!!!
12:38 mhz artnay: if we keep UbuntuMetacityArtwork
12:38 klepas so do we agree on this idea
12:38 mhz we'll keep the mess
12:38 Viper550 Yes, I am going to hit the submit button now!
12:38 artnay mhz: then we have UbuntuMetacityArtworkDiscussion as wel
12:38 artnay that could be a mess. but the status page should be clear and informal
12:38 klepas agreed
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12:39 mhz artnay: yeah, but when we define structures we go from general to specific
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12:39 bachler mhz, sounds lite a good idea
12:39 Viper550 Your title code with the equal signs don't work!
12:39 Gnobdy So is it official that AndyFitz is no longer making an icon theme??
12:40 artnay Gnobdy: he is
12:40 Gnobdy oh?
12:40 klepas Gnobdy: that will come in good time
12:40 klepas wiki first
12:40 Gnobdy it said on the wiki that he isn't
12:40 artnay just have some patience
12:40 volvoguy i haven't heard from andy in ages.
12:40 klepas wiki first please
12:40 nomed i'm not an ubuntu developer but i was playing with its artwork packages during these days
12:40 volvoguy sorry. *shuts up*
12:40 artnay Gnobdy: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList -> Icons
12:40 Viper550 There, the equals needed spaces then the title!
12:40 nomed i think the Artwork page should be devided in packages sections
12:41 Viper550 For icons, I think we should dump Humility, that project already died!
12:41 volvoguy let's pretend artnay has the microphone. :)
12:41 nomed gfxboot-theme-*buntu
12:41 klepas guys
12:41 klepas please
12:41 klepas wiki first
12:41 artnay volvoguy: he does things his own way. let's give him some time
12:41 klepas artnay if you will? :)
12:41 nomed *buntu-artwork-usplash
12:41 nomed *buntu-artwork
12:41 artnay 15 minutes left, that's not much
12:41 nomed as the user will see them during the boot up process
12:41 artnay we need to make some decisions, mainly on wiki
12:42 klepas yep
12:42 Viper550 Edit lock already on gfxboot-theme-ubuntu
12:42 volvoguy artnay, yeah - i just used to be in touch with him daily pre-breezy. i miss him. *sniff*
12:42 klepas A general question to all
12:42 nomed then there are subusections on each package
12:42 klepas How many of you agree that this new proposal for wiki layout is good?
12:42 Yetzero i do
12:42 artnay how many of you have read it actually? :)
12:42 nomed and the one that has more is for sure
12:42 lukacu i do
12:42 nomed *buntu-artwork
12:43 klepas i do too
12:43 nomed that includes
12:43 Gnobdy I concur
12:43 bachler i dont reallt see the problem, but i guess that it needs a retouch
12:43 klepas alright
12:43 mhz klepas: i think that structure is a good base but we need to make sure it goes from General
to Specific
12:43 klepas shall we vote on it then?
12:43 volvoguy it's way better than it was.
12:43 nomed icons metacity wallpaper gtk
12:43 mhz klepas: trying to avoid subpages as much as we can
12:43 artnay klepas: vote on what? let's do /UbuntuArtwork as an example
12:43 klepas mhz: it will become specific very quicly when we get to *buntuArtwork
12:44 artnay so that would be done within next five days. are there people who are willing to do that same
for K, ED and X?
12:44 mhz klepas: and in order to users/interested people to know what the final structure will be, we
need to ask everytone here to Subscribe to ArtWork
12:44 klepas Yep. I'm happy to
12:44 klepas mhz: yep
12:45 bachler anyone got any suggestions for a layout?
12:45 klepas i think that is alright
12:45 artnay hopefully you guys have time left as I think this is going to take a while
12:45 klepas So shall we vote, taking into account that
12:45 klepas because we need to make decisions
12:45 mhz bachler: artnay and me but I'll show it once I can wiki it (paper now) and finish this
meeting
12:45 klepas and not let this drag until the next meeting
12:46 klepas Vote?
12:46 lukacu yes
12:46 Viper550 Let's do the idea that I'm already putting into action (UbuntuMetacityArtwork)
12:46 bachler mhz: good, cuz noting will happen unless anyone suggests something
12:46 mhz artnay: what if we propose 3 people to get working on wiki proposal
12:46 artnay bachler: topics on /*buntuArtWork: Projects, ???
12:46 klepas mhz: yep
12:46 klepas good idea
12:46 klepas alright
12:46 artnay mhz: and it would be done within next five days
12:46 klepas have we got 3 volunteers?
12:46 mhz artnay: of course! before tuesday
12:46 artnay not just the propisition, /UbuntuArtwork itself
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12:47 artnay damn typos
12:47 klepas yea, given 3 people and a week
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12:47 klepas we can do it
12:47 klepas artnay: will you join us?
12:47 Yetzero that's the way we have to work
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12:47 artnay Viper550:
12:47 klepas anyone else?
12:47 lukacu i can help after 2nd januray
12:47 klepas to help fix the wiki
12:47 volvoguy i really have to remain a casual observer for a while yet, but i'll be around to voice my
opinions. ;)
12:47 artnay no, that would be covered in /*buntuArtwork
12:47 nomed ubuntu logo is in ubuntu-artwork
12:48 klepas artnay: ?
12:48 artnay klepas: I guess I have some time to spare :)
12:48 Viper550 Making Ubuntu Artwork for wallpapers, usplash thingys, excetera
12:48 klepas thanks
12:48 klepas alright
12:48 klepas that is settled then
12:48 klepas Wiki will be re-organised
12:48 mhz ALL: so we have the ArtWorkWikiTeam -> klepas + mhz + artnay These guys will have a
complete wiki proposal for a unified structure
12:49 Viper550 YIPPEE! Let's celebrate!
12:49 artnay Viper550: no, Projects would be one topic. it would cover mostly stuff that is listed at
/ArtworkTodoList
12:49 bachler haha, .. wath volvoguy said.. i think it applys for me too
12:49 klepas alright
12:49 lukacu move on?
12:49 Viper550 Oh, well I can still do the Honk Honk Smells Good dance right?
12:49 klepas finally wiki is out of the way
12:49 volvoguy bachler, did you have spinal fusion surgery too? ;)
12:49 artnay and then below that could be all stuff related to that *buntuArtwork
12:49 lguerra i want colaborate
12:49 klepas mailing lists are next
12:49 Viper550 Honk Honk, Honk Honk, Smells Good, Smells Good!
12:49 Yetzero let's do this 3 people proposal thing for everything :P
12:49 mhz ALL: this Team will have 5 days (or 7, considering the dates) to propose something to the ML
12:49 Viper550 Yeah, best of 3!
12:50 bachler volvoguy: no.. but i got hit by a car.. my left shoulder is not in its best condition
12:50 klepas I agree with mhz's latest email
12:50 klepas on the mailing list
12:50 klepas about using the wiki to upload art
12:50 volvoguy bachler, ok... you're off the hook too then.
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12:50 artnay Yetzero: it will be an open proposal at wiki. it most probably will be discussed on IRC, so
please connect to Freenode more often
12:50 klepas at least work-in-progress stuff
12:51 artnay klepas: yeah, but now behind one's name. that would be *buntuProjectArtworkDiscussion
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12:51 Viper550 I think that's a good idea, but the other way around sounds good too!
12:51 klepas would that go to, say for example for me /PascalKlein/Artwork ?
12:51 klepas or where shall this content go?
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12:51 artnay klepas: under the discussion page
12:52 klepas alright
12:52 klepas that sounds good
12:52 klepas because right now using our individual upload methos
12:52 klepas *methods
12:52 Viper550 Never mind, let's do ML discussion, Wiki Upload. The ml readers got slightly mad for me
attaching my stuff
12:52 klepas and posting to the ML is not the best idea
12:52 klepas Viper550: we just there is a better, easier way
12:53 klepas making use of the wiki's features would be that way
while we're still on the wiki, should the point be made on one of the entry pages that our
12:53 volvoguy work will most likely be "contributed" art and not default artwork for the distro? at least
for the next few releases?
12:53 Viper550 YES! Honk Honk Honk Honk, Smells Good Smells Good!
12:53 artnay Viper550: of course ML would have discussion after renewing wiki. but at least the project
page should be kept up-to-date
12:53 klepas volvoguy: sure, but something i will try to bring up on the Community Council meeting
12:53 volvoguy klepas, gotcha. thanks. :)
12:53 klepas so, do we generally agree to no post art on the mailing list
12:53 klepas well not attached art at least
12:54 bachler yeah
12:54 lukacu ok
12:54 volvoguy klepas, agreed. definitely.
12:54 klepas please use Art.ubuntu.com for finished work
12:54 Yetzero agreed
12:54 Viper550 Yes "signs on not so dotted line, that he already forgot about once..."
12:54 klepas and anything else goes to the wiki
12:54 klepas alright
12:54 mhz volvoguy: good point
12:54 klepas great
12:54 klepas thanks everyone
12:54 klepas it would also allow people to comment on the work
12:54 Viper550 But, you need external hosting to upload wallpapers to AUC
12:54 klepas so feel free to make use of this too
12:54 klepas Viper550: use the wiki :)
12:54 klepas as a start
12:54 volvoguy mhz, thx. just don't want anyone getting the wrong idea as i did initially. doh!
12:54 mhz volvoguy: please send an email with the text you imagine. We can use Templates too, so evey
new page has same basic content
12:55 Viper550 But, we said we wouldn't use Wiki for finished work!
12:55 artnay yeah, for the "defaulted ones"
12:55 artnay *buntuProjectArtwork would have these images, too
12:55 klepas Viper550: look at it this way
12:55 klepas you're making something
12:55 mhz ALL: and please can we agree to upload SVG files too, in AUC ?
12:56 klepas and you post the work in progress
12:56 klepas mhz: yep
12:56 Viper550 Yes, for Universe artwork
12:56 klepas anyhow, and you continue to upload wip versions
12:56 lukacu mhz: but not ONLY svg please
12:56 klepas and then lastly, the final version
12:56 Viper550 For your critisim of course!
12:56 klepas and then you can submit it at AUC
12:56 klepas :)
12:56 volvoguy mhz, i think klepas has it under control with the Community Council meeting stuff. keep in
touch with him about the details about where we stand with all the work we do.
12:56 mhz Viper550: wiki is the base EVERY newcomer visits first, even before AUC
12:56 klepas yep
12:57 klepas mhz: wholesomely agreed
12:57 mhz lucasvo: nope, of course. :D
12:57 klepas guys, remember the wiki can be viewed without joining the mailing list and so forth, so
everyone can easily see it and have access to it
12:57 bachler wiki me like!
12:57 klepas let us make use of the features :)
12:57 mhz volvoguy: okis on CC
12:57 Viper550 You can view the Mailing List, it's just tougher!
12:58 klepas anyway so we mutually agreed to use the wiki to post at least work in progress work
12:58 klepas rather than attaching it to the mailing list
12:58 Viper550 Yes
12:58 lukacu yes
12:58 Yetzero yes
12:58 bachler yes
12:58 mhz ALL: I can offer myself to do a MoinWiki-School one day here in IRC
12:58 klepas you can still write about it in the ML, but don't uplaod it
12:58 Viper550 Honk Honk.....never mind the Honk Honk Smells Good dance
12:58 mhz (if needed)
12:58 klepas mhz: that's be lovely
12:58 volvoguy klepas, good point. i was just going to mention that definitions of SVG/PNG/JPG/etc should be
defined somewhere. i get emails ALL THE TIME asking for PNG versions of my SVG backgrounds.
12:58 lukacu mhz: cool
12:58 bachler mhz: good, when?
12:59 Viper550 It's called the Export Bitmap tool in Inkscape
12:59 klepas organise at the end
12:59 klepas anyway
12:59 klepas so that's the mailing list out of the way
12:59 artnay that would be under guides
12:59 klepas let us move on
12:59 klepas IRC Channel next :)
12:59 Viper550 Can we now talk about Kubuntu theme proposals?
12:59 mhz lukacu: klepas: bachler: let me finish the 'structure' with the team, gimme on emore week
and I'l be ready for it and send email on the requirements
01:00 lukacu ok
01:00 bachler k
01:00 artnay and every *buntuProjectArtwork would cover links to guides related to that project
01:00 klepas given the attendance we have now, does this mean we will have more people on the
#ubuntu-artwork irc channel?
01:00 bachler the allmighty IRC channel..
01:00 volvoguy Viper550, i know that - but Mr. Windows Guy trying to use an SVG wallpaper doesn't.
01:00 klepas i would certainly welcome it
01:00 Viper550 Inkscape runs on Windows too!
01:00 libervisco good to see some progress made :)
01:00 artnay but nobody has agreed to build/maintain /Kubu... and /Xu...
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01:00 Viper550 Kubuntu Art?
01:01 mhz libervisco: good point
01:01 volvoguy Viper550, :-P
01:01 klepas let's not stray
01:01 klepas the IRC topic is small and we can move on quickly
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01:01 klepas can i just get a headcount on how many people use the IRC on a regular basis please?
01:01 lukacu volvoguy: it is also easier for auc admin to create thumbnail out of png or jpg ... i think
so
01:01 volvoguy klepas, i'll try to hit the IRC channel more. this is the longest i've been online in months.
01:01 mhz klepas: i use it
01:02 libervisco klepas, heh I do, but I wasn't in these channels before :)
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01:02 klepas volvoguy: yea, you've got an excuse
01:02 artnay lukacu: we can have a script that would create/convert everything needed
01:02 Yetzero i don't use IRC for anything else that this meeting
01:02 klepas alright
01:02 volvoguy lukacu, probably. that got going right before my surgery so i haven't even logged in as admin
yet.
01:02 bachler irc channel.. i really dont remember where i got the info about it.. but a quick googel on
"ubuntu artwork irc" gets you to http://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu/
01:02 klepas so generally the use of the IRC channel probably won't increase
01:02 lukacu artnay: yeah, but we need imagemagick ;)
01:02 Viper550 Think the default Kubuntu icons should be something different than Crystal?
01:02 klepas that's alright for now
01:03 libervisco klepas, what are plans for IRC?
01:03 artnay lukacu: we just have to tell about that to canonical. I hope they are more aware of this
problem after this discussion
01:03 klepas no decisions need to made on this so we can move on the topic of AUC
01:03 volvoguy bachler, hey, for a while a google of "ubuntu artwork" listed my site as number one. :)
01:03 klepas libervisco: nothing much, use it for what we currently do :)
01:03 bachler heh
01:03 libervisco oh ok
01:03 Riddell Viper550: generally I want to keep kubuntu close to KDE artwork
01:03 klepas AUC.
01:03 artnay volvoguy: and when was the last time you updated it? :) I think that google result tells
something
01:03 Viper550 It's called being unique
01:04 Viper550 NuoveXT would be perfect!
01:04 volvoguy artnay, i know. i'm a slacker. :)
01:04 klepas what are your takes on the CMS?
01:04 artnay Riddell: yeah, the default theme has taken some hours, and there are reasons for that
01:04 mhz klepas: even if IRC use is not more, Wiki is for those who dont IRC, and ML for those who can
complain or suggest something
01:04 klepas mhz: yep :)
01:04 mhz :D
01:04 artnay klepas: not artweb
01:05 artnay I see it's causing a lot of pain
01:05 Viper550 They'd look good...
01:05 klepas artnay: agreed
01:05 bachler i perssonally would like to see some more activity on the irc
01:05 ptomes Viper550: What about http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32288
01:05 klepas who here has administration rights to AUC apart from me?
01:05 lukacu me
01:05 lukacu i
01:05 lukacu :)
01:05 artnay beside AUC will have to cover stuff for at least four different flavous
01:05 Yetzero what about weekly IRC meetings?
01:05 mhz libervisco: usually, all FLOSS developments discuss actively on IRC channels
01:05 klepas so lukacu and i.
01:05 artnay artweb can't do that anyway
01:05 volvoguy artweb in retrospect wasn't a great idea - but it was a quick fix.
01:05 Viper550 Tango> not even close to KDE artwork!!!
01:05 klepas Yetzero: sounds awesome
01:05 libervisco mhz, yep
01:06 lukacu and volvoguy i think
01:06 Viper550 p.s. It's a pain to setup under KDE
01:06 klepas i know Andy does too
01:06 Yetzero I see the main problem about IRC is that we live in different places so we don't know when to
get there
01:06 libervisco So someone here has full access to be able to install a CMS?
01:06 bachler i am totaly for smaller meetings on irc every.. say, weekend
01:06 klepas Guys! May I suggest if you wish to discuss something off topic for now use the
#ubuntu-artwork IRC channel please!
01:07 klepas libervisco: no. guys from Canonical did that =\
01:07 libervisco ah
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01:07 Viper550 So, any other artwork related thing should be in ubuntu-artwork now?
01:07 artnay it's 02:09 AM here and I have work tomorr... no, today. could we make some more decisions?
01:07 bachler klepas: weekly meetings in irc?
01:07 libervisco so how can you get them to change it?
01:07 klepas bachler: yep, i'm all for it
01:07 volvoguy if we all vote on something better, we have a Canonical contact to work on our server.
01:07 bachler klepas: me too
01:07 klepas back to AUC
01:07 libervisco volvoguy, I see
01:08 klepas how many of us generall agree that the artweb cms ought to be replaced?
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01:08 libervisco let me take a look at it, have a link?
01:08 lukacu well if we find something better then yes
01:08 artnay I guess the current AUC admins have quite clear picture what's slowing AUC down. let's
suppose that artweb will be changed
01:08 bachler so, what day of the week would the meeting be held, and what time? .. i guess that saturdays
is good for me
01:08 mhz Yetzero: yes, IRC is to intereact while you are working on something. Also, ML is to general
discussion but is so slow. Wiki is to place stuff so others can discuss or complement
01:08 klepas http://art.ubuntu.com
01:08 libervisco oh
01:08 libervisco right :D
01:08 mhz libervisco: why a CMS?
01:08 Viper550 If I wanted to talk about StreamlinedBoot, where should I go?
01:09 Yetzero mhz: thanks
01:09 klepas libervisco: you won't see the lack of functions as a nomral user
01:09 volvoguy libervisco, he worked a lot on artweb so he might not be thrilled, but if there's a strong
contender we might be able to get it replaced.
01:09 artnay klepas: it's still pain to navigate
01:09 klepas yep
01:09 libervisco I see
01:09 libervisco well it looks good from user side
01:09 klepas so generally do we agree to seek alternate systems?
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01:09 libervisco but klepas did told me it's a disaster to manage from your side
01:09 klepas libervisco: but it is a huge pain to add content
01:09 klepas yes
01:10 volvoguy it's a disaster.
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01:10 libervisco a good site to test CMSs is www.opensourcecms.com
01:10 lukacu yes
01:10 artnay klepas: we do. and what next?
01:10 klepas Since a fair few of us, particularly the admins, think the artweb CMS isn't as great as we
need
01:10 artnay ;)
01:10 Viper550 A little bit of Ubuntu on my comp...sorry about the Mambo #5 pun, it runs Mambo!
01:11 klepas let's see if there is anyone interested in checking out alternatives
01:11 mhz CMS that use PHP do need more admin hours than Moin as CMS
01:11 libervisco I think you can definitely find a better CMS
01:11 mhz and we can make Moin work as CMS
01:11 klepas and reporting back to use on what they find
01:11 mhz thats why we formed a team :D
01:11 klepas mhz: i wouldn't use it for this purpose
01:11 klepas i personally suggest something like the GNOME/KDE-look.org CMS
01:11 mhz (me neither, klepas but it can be)
01:11 artnay mhz: we need something well-tested to this purpose. how's Moin as CMS?
01:11 klepas i know it is quite configurable
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01:12 libervisco well drupal and XOOPS are great, from my experience
01:12 klepas not for managing graphic content
01:12 lukacu yeah, drupal is cool
01:12 libervisco although XOOPS has a better image gallery
01:12 mhz artnay: klepas: we can analyze it while we work on # the channel :)
01:12 klepas something like GNOME/KDE-look.org's CMS is better
01:12 klepas alright
a big argument for artweb was that it tied in with gnomeart - allowing users to use one app
01:12 volvoguy to preview, download and install any artwork from our site or art.gnome.org. that hasn't
happened yet though .
01:12 libervisco klepas, I think they use something like phpnuke...
01:12 klepas volvoguy: yea, and frankly that app sucks
01:13 lukacu :)
01:13 volvoguy klepas, eh - it gets the job done. usually.
01:13 klepas the work that would need to be done to fix it + the work that would need to be done to fix
art-web... ugh. too much
01:13 bachler what are we takling about again?
01:13 klepas AUC
01:13 klepas and it's CMS
01:13 volvoguy lol
01:13 klepas art-web
01:13 Viper550 Should it use AGC's cms system?
01:14 lukacu we do need guidelines and faq
ok, let's take a closer look at what's happening currently with artweb. if it won't provide
01:14 artnay much more usability, then let's change it. we need a team to seek for an alternativies. let's
place this info to wiki and a discussion page of that
01:14 mhz ALL: what if we have a wiki page to anlize what we expect from and art-web site?
you know, i think i need to quit distracting you and go take some pain meds. i'll try to
01:14 volvoguy catch up with the logs and find ya'll later on our own IRC channel. good seeing everybody
again.
01:14 mhz and then, fill it with opinions and charts
01:15 klepas cheers volvoguy
01:15 lukacu bye volvoguy
01:15 mhz volvoguy: thx for being here
01:15 klepas mhz: sounds alright
01:15 artnay volvoguy: take care
01:15 volvoguy thanks, and my pleasure. :) later guys!
01:15 libervisco cya volvoguy
01:15 klepas i personally propose we get a few people who are interested in this
01:15 klepas and ask them to investigate possible alternative CMSs
01:15 mhz klepas: good too!
01:15 klepas maybe they have access to a server, and can set it up
01:16 klepas and then allow the current admins to have a look at the admin interface
01:16 artnay klepas: yeah, that doesn't require inkscape or the gimp
01:16 Yetzero we need somewhere to upload artwork
01:16 klepas lol
01:16 klepas still art related :)
01:16 klepas think of it this way
01:16 mhz klepas: but befoire they set the CMS I think it's needed to discuss the featrures
01:17 klepas if we get something as powerful as GNOME-look.org' CMS set up art will be so much easier to
maintain
01:17 klepas mhz: yep
01:17 Viper550 KDE-Look also uses that, whatever it is
01:17 artnay mhz: AUC admins will most likely write a list of needed operations. that list will be
included in wiki
01:17 klepas yep
01:17 klepas as does KDE-Apps, XFCE-Look and so forth
01:17 mhz yup
01:17 klepas agreed
01:17 klepas lukacu and i can do that
01:17 mhz Will we have another meeting next week ?
01:17 lukacu yeah
01:17 klepas i can ask Andy to do the same
01:18 klepas mhz: sounds alright
01:18 klepas we need some progress
01:18 artnay indeed
01:18 klepas so another meeting would serve us well
01:18 mhz ALL: so we'll submit advances next meeting?
01:18 klepas yes
01:18 Yetzero please, weekly meetings at a fixed time
01:18 klepas lukacu: i'll contact Andy
01:18 mhz can we discus UTC time on ML?
01:18 artnay we need to start now, otherwise we won't make it (just like with breezy :(
01:18 lukacu ok
01:18 Yetzero ok
01:18 mhz or voting via WIki as we did now?
01:18 klepas ditto
01:18 Viper550 ditto!
01:18 klepas Yes!
01:19 bachler ok
01:19 Viper550 3 anti-strikes, you
01:19 mhz heheh
01:19 mhz okis
01:19 Viper550 I mean 3 anti-strikes, you're in!
01:19 klepas lukacu: we'll pass around what we come up with concerning the features or lack thereof via
mail
01:19 mhz we can even rotate UTC time so everyone get a chance to feel better
01:19 klepas Andy you and I
01:20 Viper550 At least my time made it start at 6pm
01:20 lukacu no problem
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01:20 klepas alright
01:20 klepas so that is AUC out of the way
01:20 mhz ALL: thx for being here and see you in #ubuntu-artwork
01:20 klepas considering the next lot is all small stuff
01:20 mhz bye all
01:20 bachler bye
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01:20 artnay pong mhz
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01:20 klepas if you guys are going
01:20 klepas check the Logs later
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01:21 klepas there is still someting i want to discuss
01:21 klepas for those that are left
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01:21 bachler i am here
01:21 artnay I think that the current brown look is a problem. I also think that Canonical acknowledges
this
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01:21 artnay they might not have plans ready yet
01:21 klepas what do you guys reckon on making a Ubuntu and a Kubuntu universe art package
01:21 artnay so some patience, I'll bet they will answer
01:22 Riddell klepas: what would you put in them?
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01:22 bachler klepas: i think that is a good idea
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01:23 klepas because i've had people from both the KDE (Kubuntu) and GNOME (Ubuntu) community privately
ask us to make something like this
01:23 Viper550 Is the meeting over?
01:23 klepas well for the Kubuntu one for a example
01:23 artnay at least the current theme has been heavily criticized. I like the idea of brown (it seems to
be quite important topic to some ubuntu users), but the current style is a bit outdated
01:23 Riddell we already have a kubuntu-grub-splashimages so stuff like that is quite possible
01:23 klepas KDM themes, window decorations, themes/styles and so forth
01:23 klepas wallpapersd
01:23 klepas we could even package tango
01:23 Viper550 But, I'm concerned about the Usplash artwork for the deravitives...
01:24 Riddell tango is packaged I'm sure, dholbach does it
01:24 libervisco Tango is a good idea
01:24 artnay at least majority of my friends have said that after ubuntu installation. and I guess I'm
with them
01:24 artnay ;P
01:24 libervisco I think people should start implementing it
01:24 klepas well forget tango for now
01:24 Viper550 I still think for what it is right now, Humility is pretty neat lookingh
01:24 klepas Kubuntu's universe art package would include kubuntu (KDE) related art
01:24 klepas how does that soun Riddell ?
01:24 klepas *sound
01:25 artnay those debian packages should be able to "humanize" your KDE and make GNOME look blue or
something
01:25 Riddell klepas: sounds fun, if there's enough high quality random kubuntu artwork that would be nice
to have it in a package
01:25 Yetzero you have a point there
01:25 Viper550 Yeah, we could call them ubuntu-gearize and kubuntu-humanize!
01:25 BxL everything else exept ubuntu is blue, get something else than blue
01:25 klepas well i plan to make some new stuff for it too
01:25 bachler i think that the answer to all this is to have more art and themes as packages?
01:26 klepas no point packaging only art that people have already see :)
01:26 klepas *seen
01:26 Yetzero yeah
01:26 artnay BxL: it wouldn't be blue by default
01:26 klepas I've already been given the go ahead for an Ubuntu (thus GNOME) art package for universe by
Ogra
01:26 artnay that's the point, let's provide an easy way to change the whole look of GUI
01:26 Yetzero we should work on a different overall art proposal
01:26 klepas Riddell: can you give me the green light as to a Kubuntu universe art package?
01:27 Viper550 Let's think about the users...ideas
01:27 artnay it's not like my mom would surf GNOME-look or KDE-look, compile new decos etc.
01:27 Yetzero that affects the whole system in a way that it's coherent
01:27 artnay it has to be simple. bvc has nice GNOME mods ready, maybe he would like to get them packaged
01:27 bachler artnay: sounds good
01:27 Viper550 Okay, don't forget about that wallpaper I put on the ML, Glow!
01:28 klepas Riddell: ?
01:28 Riddell klepas: if you think there's enough decent kubuntu themed artwork I'm all for it
01:28 bachler me too
01:28 klepas cool
01:28 Riddell klepas: give me a poke in #kubuntu-devel if you need any help or want me to review
01:28 klepas i'd be happy to work on both of these
01:29 klepas Ubuntu and Kubuntu packages
01:29 klepas sure
01:29 klepas thanks :)
01:29 klepas while we're on it
01:29 bachler klepas: *thumbsup*
01:29 klepas is there anyone who would be willing to help me in this regard?
01:29 artnay klepas: to say: GNOME and KDE :p
01:29 klepas find suitable artwork and create some
01:29 artnay it's the idea, leave the current Ubuntu/Edubuntu style in a second
01:30 Yetzero i'm all for creating content... at last :D
01:30 klepas artnay: interested?
01:30 klepas Riddell: just one more question on this - what license would the stuff have to be under?
01:30 artnay klepas: if I only had more time... but I'll try to do my best :o
01:30 klepas alrighty ;)
01:31 bachler well..
01:31 lukacu klepas: i will help as much as i can
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01:31 klepas nice
01:31 bachler bye.
01:31 Yetzero bye
01:31 klepas cheers bachler
01:31 lukacu bye
01:31 klepas Riddell: license?
01:31 artnay klepas: that's another issue, licenses. which ones are acceptable? CC-SA, LGPL, GPL etc.
01:31 artnay but
01:32 Viper550 The glow wallpaper if you are wondering;
http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/attachments/20051226/f7c89d99/ubuntuglow-0001.jpg
01:32 Riddell klepas: the kubuntu logo is creative commons, anything Free is acceptable though
01:32 libervisco CC-SA is probably best for art
01:32 artnay there's lots of Ubuntu-related artwork all around the web. if license will give you a right
to distribute it, please submit it to AUC
01:32 libervisco GPLs are mainly for software
01:33 Viper550 My glow one is GPL
01:33 artnay libervisco: that's true. I think the GPL team will provide an equivalent to artwork, too.
01:33 Viper550 Automatically, because it's a dervitave of a GPL work!
01:33 artnay when V3 is released
01:33 libervisco artnay, that would be good
01:33 klepas Ogra mentioned some CC license
01:33 klepas but i can't remember which
01:34 klepas and it all has to be under that license
01:34 artnay or then they leave it to CC, I don't really know. So don't take my word on that.
01:34 Viper550 Creative Commons Attribution?
01:34 klepas so if we find something that is GPL we need to ask the creator
01:34 artnay klepas: CC can be restrictive, too.
01:34 klepas yes, i know
01:34 klepas remember it isn't my decision
01:34 Viper550 No, as long as it is also GPL'd and there is source code!
01:34 libervisco CC-SA is best IMO
01:34 libervisco attribution, share alike
01:34 klepas libervisco: that sounds fine
01:34 klepas might even have been tha
01:35 klepas *that
01:35 klepas either way
01:35 libervisco it's equivalent to GPL for software
01:35 klepas i'll contact ogra about it
01:35 Yetzero that's the best one i think
01:35 klepas and ask him which one it was
01:36 artnay /Artwork will be updated shortly. it will have short-term goals for different kind of
projects (no artwork needed).
01:36 klepas alright
01:36 Viper550 Now, let's start on that todo list with Fonts, okay?
01:36 klepas well to sort of conclude this
01:36 klepas I'd like to extend a big thankyou to you all
01:36 klepas for attending
01:36 klepas i've seen some new faces. :)
01:37 klepas and i think we've gotten ourselves a wee bit more organised
01:37 lukacu who will write meeting minutes?
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01:37 klepas :)
01:37 lukacu :)
01:37 lukacu cool
01:37 artnay Viper550: if it's not taken default by canonical, that kind of stuff should be left to
decided by style submitter
01:37 klepas now that we have gotten ourselves organised
01:37 klepas we can actually go away and do something
01:37 Viper550 Little question, why not change the default font to FreeSans?
01:37 klepas before the next meeting
01:38 klepas One final request
01:38 klepas out of those here now
01:38 klepas could you please do:
01:38 artnay Viper550: because no Canonicals has provided their opinion.
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01:38 klepas for exampple
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01:38 klepas :)
01:38 Yetzero * is Luis Santander
01:38 klepas for the meeting minutes
01:38 Yetzero :D
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01:39 libervisco I like FreeSans font
01:39 klepas i'll check the others through the logs
=== libervisco is Danijel Orsolic
01:39 libervisco :)
=== lukacu is Luka Cehovin
=== artnay is tired
01:39 lukacu lol
01:40 klepas :)
01:40 libervisco :D
=== lllmanulll is Manu Cornet
01:40 Yetzero did you guys got some bad time? I started here at 8:00 pm :D
01:40 klepas 11:40 AM here :)
01:41 Yetzero :O
01:41 libervisco 01: 40
01:41 artnay don't mention it... 02:43 AM
01:41 libervisco AM
01:41 artnay therefore I'm a bit exhausted
01:41 lukacu yeah ... its late allright
01:41 artnay I have to get up at 6 AM :|
01:41 lukacu lol
01:42 artnay anyways, enough of OT
01:42 lukacu lets finish then
01:42 libervisco damn, you better get some sleep artnay :)
01:42 Yetzero what's left to discuss?
01:43 klepas nothing really
01:43 artnay if only we could know what canonical is planning. we need to get a idea of that so we can
sort of base our artwork on that
01:43 artnay well at least have something similiar
01:43 klepas Yetzero: not now anyway
01:43 artnay if the official artwork gets released when Dapper gets gold, it's already too late
01:43 klepas Yetzero: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList
01:44 klepas but most of it next time
01:44 Yetzero klepas: Ok
01:44 klepas i ought to have minutes finished tonight my time or tomorrow (my time)
01:44 klepas ohh
01:44 klepas artnay: will you help make a cooperative article about the proceedings for Ubuntux.org?
01:44 klepas :)
01:45 libervisco artnay is the owner of Ubuntux.org?
01:45 artnay remember, this is community based work. canonical is relying on community. only Mark has the
last word to be used (veto)
01:45 klepas no
01:45 klepas :P
01:46 libervisco :D
01:46 klepas either way, i promised Friedrich (owner of ubuntux.org) a sort of mini article on what's
happening art wise
01:46 klepas he'll be happy to hear about an Ubuntu and a Kubuntu universe art package
01:46 Yetzero artnay is right, but we need to know where exactly we can help
01:47 libervisco oh
01:47 klepas don't worry
01:47 klepas i'm going to the next Community Council meeting
01:47 klepas and i'll be taking that up
01:47 klepas i want to know as much as the rest of you what is happening in regards to art
01:47 klepas whether our efforts will appear in Dapper or not
01:47 klepas anyway
01:47 klepas i need to be off
01:47 klepas thanks again everyone
01:48 libervisco alright, cya later klepas
01:48 lukacu bye klepas
01:48 Yetzero bye
01:48 artnay klepas: be sure to come back, we have some wikis to do :p
01:48 klepas libervisco: we can publish the phpbb theme soon
01:48 klepas yep
01:48 klepas will do :)
01:48 libervisco klepas, sure.. I can make those changes if needed...
01:49 libervisco should test it on default install first
01:49 artnay so how many of you guys are present?
01:49 lukacu present where?
01:49 Yetzero i'm here
01:49 artnay there's lots of nick in here but only a few have participated in discussion
01:49 lukacu oh...
01:49 klepas yep
01:49 klepas i'll dissect the logs later :)
01:49 artnay did this meeting miss something big time? how do you feel after all this?
01:49 klepas for minutes purposes
=== BxL boo
01:50 artnay which subjects would you like to discuss?
01:50 lukacu artnay: next meeting i guess?
01:51 BxL wallpaper, or maybe the lack of different wallpaper
01:51 artnay lukacu: by then we need to have some progress
01:51 Yetzero so when will it be? next meeting
01:51 klepas 7 days!
01:51 lukacu :)
01:51 klepas because we need time for the wiki at least
01:51 Yetzero same time?
01:52 lukacu ugh ... thats going to be tough
01:52 klepas we can vote on it
01:52 klepas Yetzero: since most people who attended have left
01:53 klepas let's not decide now
01:53 klepas we can use the voting wiki page
01:53 artnay damn UTC 23 ;)
01:53 lukacu :)
01:53 lukacu lets use wiki
01:53 klepas i'll send mails out and get stuff organised later today
01:53 klepas yep
01:53 klepas anyhow
01:53 Yetzero yeah, wiki voting
01:53 lukacu ok...i think i will have some sleep then
01:53 klepas yep
01:53 klepas call it a night
01:53 lukacu bye all
01:53 klepas cheers guys
01:53 artnay but hey
01:54 lukacu what?
=== klepas klep[a] s
01:54 artnay if you didn't already, fill your wiki info
01:54 lukacu what info?
01:54 artnay https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam
01:54 lukacu oh ... that info :)
01:55 artnay so we can have a idea in which projects are people interested in
01:55 artnay an... forgive me
01:55 lukacu ?
01:55 klepas guys
01:55 klepas just to let you know
01:56 klepas meeting is over so we should probably move to #ubuntu-artwork :)
01:56 lukacu night all then
01:56 libervisco 'night lukacu
01:56 Yetzero bye
01:57 artnay after watching my typos and grammar, I think it's a suitable time to get some sleep
01:57 artnay bye
01:57 libervisco bye artnay