CC-2006-12-12
Summary
LeadershipCodeofConduct was approved - thanks Mako, Jono!
ForumsGovernance document was approved - thank you Ryan, Mako, jono and CC!
- It was decided not to move off Freenode
- Elections and confirmations for new CC members will happen in January
- New position of CC Secretary, with Seveas as initial office bearer, approved
Membership
Log
05:03 cjwatson let the enormous agenda of death begin 05:03 cjwatson oh, I guess we should wait for sabdfl and mako to /join 05:04 sabdfl hey ho all you merry members 05:05 sabdfl it's been a while 05:05 sabdfl sorry about that - lots of travel for the whole team 05:05 sabdfl but 05:05 sabdfl also lots of productive community-related discussions at UDS mountain view 05:05 sabdfl thanks to everyone who participated there 05:05 sabdfl directly and via voip / gobby / wiki / irc 05:05 sabdfl so 05:06 sabdfl we have some excellent structural items up for comment and approval 05:06 sabdfl we also want to set a timetable for the expansion of the CC 05:07 sabdfl looking at the agenda, there's an item missing, which is the proposal of seveas as a CC Secretary, a new role 05:07 Seveaz sabdfl: are there other CC members somewhere? 05:07 elmo seveaz: colin and I are here 05:07 elmo mako was around, he should be here shortly 05:07 Seveaz elmo: merci and hi 05:07 sabdfl mako was on a call with us a second ago 05:08 mako greetings 05:08 sabdfl ok, on to the agenda 05:09 sabdfl Seveas, around? 05:10 Seveaz sabdfl: I'm at work now so different nick 05:10 sabdfl Seveaz: please add the secretary proposal to the end of the agenda 05:09 mako unfortunately, i have not been able to go through all of my canonical mail from over the weekend so may not as up to date on every issue as i should be 05:09 mako i should also mention that i will probably have to go in 1.5 or 2 hours, but am happy to catch up later this afternoon on anything i miss 05:09 mako but we should try to handle things that have a lot of discussion before 05:10 jono ok, so is the Leadership CoC first? 05:10 sabdfl Leadership Code of Conduct 05:10 sabdfl thanks to mako, jono and others for pulling this together 05:11 sabdfl i think it's important, especially in the context of the various team councils that are being set up 05:11 mako if they haven't already, people should read it 05:11 jono https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LeadershipCodeofConduct by the way 05:11 mako if they see anything major missing, or something major that shouldn't be there that is, it would be good to know 05:12 mako obviously, since i wrote it, i'm pretty happy with ti. 05:12 Belutz do the LoCo leader have to sign this leadership CoC? 05:12 sabdfl yes, LoCo team leaders, and other senior CC-appointed teams (and of course the CC ;-)) will be held to this standard 05:12 sabdfl i've reviewed and made a few tweaks 05:12 mako sabdfl: you're the only one :) 05:12 cjwatson "conflicts of interest"> I think the emphasis is the wrong way round in the third sentence 05:12 cjwatson should be that perceived conflicts of interest are as important as real ones? 05:12 sabdfl cjwatson: good point 05:13 mako cjwatson: yes 05:13 lophyte is that only for approved LoCo teams? 05:13 jono lophyte: all leaders are expected to abide by it 05:13 jono lophyte: and the approval process for loco teams will observe this 05:13 sabdfl lophyte: for anyone that purports to take a leadership role in a LoCo team 05:13 sabdfl in other words, if you are driving a team or claiming to, for part of ubuntu, then you should expect people to hold you to this standard 05:14 sabdfl just like people in an IRC channel or forum or mailing list might say to someone, "dude, read the CoC, I think that's a bit out of line" 05:14 mako it's seen as something like the code of conduct 05:14 mako not a stick, but a high-level set of principles we except leaders to live up to 05:14 sabdfl folks will likely remind leaders of this document if they are forgetting the guidelines 05:14 lophyte jono, sabdfl: excellent :) 05:14 mako that's right 05:13 Belutz jono: when is the deadline for the approved loco teams? 05:14 jono Belutz: there is no deadline, but we expect loco leaders to abide by the Leadership CoC - this is why we are presenting it to the CC for approval 05:14 jono Belutz: most leaders have the qualities in that document fairly innately 05:14 sabdfl ok, so any additional comments on the document? 05:15 mruiz jono: what is the difference between LoCo leader and LoCo contact? This CoC is only for leaders? 05:15 mako mruiz: the lcoc is for anyone in a leadership position in ubuntu 05:15 jono mruiz: if a team has a leader, or puts themself in a position of leadership, they should abide by the LCoC 05:16 theCore how new leaders will be nominated? 05:16 Seveaz theCore: that's different per team 05:15 sabdfl can I ask CC members to +1 or -1 the document as it stands, pending possible typo or tweaks, no "editorial changes"? 05:16 cjwatson sabdfl: I did some minor tweaks just now 05:16 MikeB- the document is fine, one comment I have is if there is ever a CoC 2.0 made, the LCoC should be merge into it. Many of the ideas of the LCoC can be applied to ever Ubuntu community member 05:17 mako MikeB-: fair enough 05:17 sabdfl if you form a team, called, say "ubuntu-advocacy-it", and announce it, and want to be an organiser, then you should expect people to hold you to this standard even if you did this without any formal appointment by the CC 05:17 sabdfl you are overtly taking a leadership role 05:17 sabdfl and anyone participating in the ubuntu community, in its broadest sense, should know what they can expect from their leaders 05:17 ubuntugeek hmm so does this mean that any (ubuntuforums) staff member should be bound to the lcoc as well? Or should only admins/fc be bound to this? 05:17 mako right, the CoC doesn't just apply to people who have officially agreed it to or become ubunteros.. it sets the tone for the community 05:18 theCore sabdfl, ah, that makes more sense 05:18 theCore thanks 05:18 mako likewise, this wouldn't only apply to people in officially delegated positions but anyone in a leadership position to the community 05:18 sabdfl ubuntugeek: i think you will find that forums members hold moderators to this standard 05:18 sabdfl same with irc participants and IRC ops 05:18 sabdfl the nice thing is, there is still room for context-specific guidelines and processes 05:18 sabdfl like the forums guys with their dispute resolution processes 05:19 sabdfl and the mailing list etiquette guidelines 05:19 sabdfl and IRC ops guidelines 05:19 sabdfl this is a nice general statement of core values 05:19 MikeB- ubuntugeek: I think the staff is viewed and acts as leaders 05:19 jono indeed 05:19 mako ubuntugeek: it's high level, people aren't often (ever?) punished for violating it. but it's a set of ideals that we agree to agree on 05:19 mako like the CoC 05:19 markvandenborre I really like it 05:19 cjwatson the thing I'd like people to take away from this is that holding a position of authority is a contract - you have certain privileges in exchange for certain responsibilities 05:18 PriceChild ubuntugeek: sabdfl: What about moderators who are currently on leave? Surely things like the stepping down during extended absences can't apply. 05:19 sabdfl PriceChild: interesting. in the case of moderation, you are not *blocking* decisions by not stepping down 05:20 sabdfl i think it may be worth clarifying this 05:20 ubuntu_demon sabdfl : +1 05:20 sabdfl in other words, where a leadership position has a quorum impact on decisions, its important to step down 05:20 sabdfl where it's just about having additional permissions, and others can take up the slack without you stepping down, then there's more flexibility 05:20 cjwatson this is a sort of statement of the general kinds of responsibilities that people in authority tend to have 05:20 cjwatson as part of general leadership decency 05:20 PriceChild sabdfl: ubuntugeek: ok gotcha. Btw, I have no problem with the LCoC or CoC, to me they're just common courtesy. 05:20 mako PriceChild: that's the idea 05:21 ubuntu_demon I really like the LCoC and CoC 05:21 sabdfl PriceChild: you'd be amazed how useful it is to document common courtesy, given the diversity in age, nationality, culture, language, background, etc in a community this big 05:21 cjwatson sabdfl: "If an absence becomes extended, [and this absence will get in the way of other people's work,] they should step down ..." ? 05:22 ubuntu_demon cjwatson: I like that added part 05:22 PriceChild sabdfl: It is very useful having a solid document to be able to refer "naughty" users to. 05:22 cjwatson I wouldn't really want to use the term "naughty" of leaders :-) 05:22 PriceChild That's a polite word for it anyway... 05:22 theCore "Leaders in Ubuntu can not and will not stay leaders only because they got there first." How leaders will be changed? 05:22 jono the LCoC not onl document courtesy but identifies core leadership values, that like sabdfl says, can be built upon inside each team 05:22 SD-Plissken So what. you guys are saying that one can not give courtesy and respect with out following the CoC rules? 05:22 cjwatson theCore: this isn't a statement of process 05:22 somerville32 What level of professionalism should volunteers in leadership positions (such as an IRC Operator or Team Leader) be expected to maintain? 05:23 ubuntugeek "Leaders in Ubuntu can not and will not stay leaders only because they got there first" 05:23 ubuntugeek sure they can.. 05:23 ubuntugeek why not 05:23 anto9us If I can interject something that might be missing from the lcoc doc, and that is that leaders often treat each other in ways that might be mis-perceived by some as inappropriate, like kicking each other from the IRC-channels for example, it's fun perhaps for the ops but open to interpretation as bullying or flexing of IRC muscle, to my mind, it's an example of setting a bad example 05:23 Seveaz ubuntugeek: others may be more competent 05:23 Seveaz or more available 05:23 Seveaz or better smelling 05:23 Seveaz or .... 05:23 ubuntugeek huh 05:23 lophyte just because you got there first, doesn't mean you're a good leader 05:24 elmo ubuntugeek: it doesn't mean to imply that if they're fine, and the only thing is that they were there first, that they have to be replaced 05:24 LoudMouthMan lophyte: indeed. 05:24 cjwatson ubuntugeek: depends on the leader. I'm stepping down from the CC because I think others who have got less worn-out will do a better job than I can. 05:24 cjwatson ubuntugeek: but that doesn't mean I think the other CC members ought to do the same 05:24 ubuntugeek Sure.. 05:25 jono anto9us: that is in some ways a separate issue - bullying is unacceptable, but there is no way we can develop policy and guidelines around "playful banter" 05:25 ubuntu_demon in case of ubuntugeek it's in the ForumsGovernance document that he has a lifetime membership of the Forums Council as long as ubuntugeek (Ryan) follows the LCoC 05:25 cjwatson ubuntugeek: I think the point is "*only* because" - if folks deserve to continue leading their community, there are certainly other "because"s 05:25 mako ubuntugeek: the operative word is *only* 05:25 ubuntugeek ud: ah, which i never really agreed to. the lcoc was added our calls 05:26 mako ubuntugeek: if the *only* reason someone maintains a leadership position is because they got their first, that seems like a bit of a bum deal 05:26 sabdfl ok, i've modded the doc to address the difference between blocking and non-blocking absences 05:26 sabdfl https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LeadershipCodeofConduct?action=diff 05:26 PriceChild Thanks sabdfl 05:26 ubuntu_demon ubuntugeek : the lcoc was mentioned during one of these conference calls about the forums. I'm sure you overheard. But it's not very important as long as you agree :) 05:26 mako ubuntugeek, ubuntu_demon: but this document wasn't written when we had the last call. that's why we're talking about it now 05:26 ubuntu_demon mako : yeah 05:27 MikeB- as I see it, the LCoC is a guideline, a document to give us direction, and should never be use as a stick to weild over people 05:27 mako ubuntugeek couldn't have been expected to agree in advance to an unwritten document :) 05:27 ubuntu_demon mako : true. although it's a nice document :) 05:27 mako ubuntu_demon: i agree :) 05:27 ubuntugeek hah 05:27 ubuntugeek wow ego's 05:27 ubuntu_demon :-p 05:28 mako ubuntugeek: ;) 05:28 ubuntugeek not amused.. 05:28 MikeB- all cases will have to be bought to the CC, FC , or whatever counsil 05:28 cjwatson one problem we have had in the past, in Debian or Ubuntu or whatever, is team leaders wandering off and everyone else being stuck unable to get anything done 05:28 cjwatson it's a pretty real problem 05:28 sabdfl ubuntugeek: satisfied with the language? 05:28 popey indeed, LUGs have the same problem 05:28 ubuntugeek sure ok, lets move on then.. we can address the lcoc i am bound to when we talk about the governance 05:28 kalon33 sure popey 05:29 ubuntu_demon ubuntugeek : IMHO it's important that you address it now if you have any issues with it. Then it can be improved. 05:30 sabdfl this is not a legal document 05:30 sabdfl it will be difficult to "bind" anyone to it 05:30 anto9us jono, yes, I make a specific point as an example and yes I agree it's a separate issue, though I wouldn't wish for a policy around that specifically so much as awareness of potential issues that might arise from the playful banter, to some seeing someone being kicked strikes up a fight or flight response 05:30 ubuntugeek thats fine.. nothing further from me 05:30 sabdfl most of what happens in the ubuntu community is based on goodwill and good faith 05:30 cjwatson it's more important to say what we expect so that people know what they're "signing up for" when they take on leadership positions 05:30 effie_jayx sabdfl, there is still moral respnsibility 05:30 sabdfl i think it will be clear the circumstances under which someone is not really following this LCoC 05:30 cjwatson if you've not been in a leadership kind of position before, sometimes it's not all obvious 05:30 SD-Plissken How is it not a legal doc. your asking folks to abide by it,and conform the rules in it sabdfl 05:31 jono anto9us: sure, and I think this is something we can discuss and develop as a separate case 05:31 sabdfl i don't think it will ever turn into a legalistic, clause-by-clause thing 05:31 mako right, introducing something like this retroactively is a bit tricky, so it's important to get consensus or identify issues now among people who are currently in leadership positions 05:31 mako right, i think it's more like the CoC 05:31 cjwatson SD-Plissken: it's not "you're violating clause 3, subsection 7. bzzt" - it's an informal statement of values 05:31 mako people invoke it frequently enough, but rarely "apply" it 05:31 cjwatson er clause <-> subsection but you know what I mean :-) 05:31 ubuntu_demon mako : +1. IMHO it's important that all big community leaders give their input on the document right now .. before it's getting approved 05:32 sabdfl to be specific, i would not ask ubuntugeek to step down form the forums council because of a single incident or issue, which is i think what was worrying ubuntugeek, given the context of our UDS forums discussions 05:32 ubuntugeek sabdfl: correct 05:32 sabdfl i am happy with ubuntugeek's life-long position on the FC, it's an unusual concession but i think it's well deserved 05:33 sabdfl making it subject to the LCoC is really only a convenient way of saying "stay engaged and stay constructive" 05:33 jono I agree with sabdfl that it would be pretty clear if someone was not acting within the spirit of the LCoC 05:33 ubuntu_demon sabdfl: +1 IMHO ubuntugeek deserves to be a lifelong member of the FC 05:33 SD-Plissken cjwatson I don't by that. the simple fact is if you dont abide by it your brought up for repremand or asked to remove yourself. rules are writen to be inforced. I highly doubt these where written in hohum fashion. 05:34 cjwatson SD-Plissken: guidelines, not rules 05:35 SD-Plissken Fine guidelines. and the fact still stand if you don't follow the guideline theres reprocutions. 05:33 sabdfl i would not invoke the LCoC unless there was BROAD consensus that that was not the case 05:33 sabdfl like, someone doesn't show up to meetings for months 05:33 sabdfl i have to be a bit careful here myself ;-) 05:33 mako sabdfl: that's right 05:33 jono indeed 05:33 mako sabdfl: the whole thing, not just that you need to be careful.. ALTHOUGH YOU DO 05:34 sabdfl ok, so, can i ask CC members to +1 or -1 the document as it stands? 05:34 sabdfl we're 30 minutes in and have a lot of ground to cover 05:34 mako i'll abstain since i had a such a large role in drafting it 05:34 sabdfl mako: please don't! 05:34 cjwatson rules are written to be enforced, but guidelines are written so that people know where they stand 05:34 jono I think you should vote mako 05:34 mako fine, +1 from me 05:34 jono mako: you would not write it if you disagreed with it 05:35 mako jono: right, that's why i wouldn't vote against it :) 05:35 cjwatson sabdfl: +1, we've already gone over the bits I thought were wonky and changed them 05:35 elmo +1 05:35 jono mako: woo! 05:35 sabdfl +1 form me too 05:35 sabdfl super, thanks mako, jono, CC 05:35 cjwatson sabdfl: oh, perhaps we should make it even more clear that they're not meant for rigid enforcement 05:35 cjwatson it does say so at the top, but it could be clearer to stave off paranoia 05:35 sabdfl DONE 05:35 jono :) 05:36 sabdfl it does say "a set of guidelines" 05:36 mako alright lets move on 05:36 mako my time here is limited 05:36 sabdfl so let's leave it as it stands, we can clarify it if someone cites the LCoC in a lawsuit :-) 05:36 cjwatson SD-Plissken: I'd expect that in general if people were acting out of character for how we'd like leaders to behave, we'd talk to them first, not treat them like naughty children 05:36 mako the forums governance document is next 05:37 sabdfl i'll come out up front and say i'm opposed 05:37 sabdfl (sorry, mako, want to address IRC issue) 05:37 sabdfl i understand there are some issues 05:37 mako oh, ok 05:38 sabdfl but i don't think the folks proposing the move have come up with very strong arguments 05:38 sabdfl freenode appears to be doing OK despite the loss of lilo 05:38 sabdfl the #canonical issue was never, in my mind, a forcing function for an ubuntu community decision, and its resolved now in any event 05:38 cjwatson the original GetOffFreenodeSpec was prompted by concerns about #canonical - that's since been moved to a private server so seems moot 05:39 sabdfl ok, so does anyone on the CC want to take up the case for moving? 05:39 cjwatson sabdfl: no, I was sort of +0 anyway and am uninterested now 05:39 sabdfl ok, can we vote briefly? 05:39 sabdfl -1 05:40 sabdfl i would rather we vote, take a decision, than just defer it indefinitely 05:40 cjwatson -0, seems like lots of work for little gain now 05:40 elmo -0 05:40 sabdfl mako? 05:41 mako sabdfl: i'm not going to rock the boat 05:41 sabdfl mako: +1, -1, 0? 05:41 mako 0 05:41 sabdfl ok 05:41 sabdfl guess i have to take the bullet ;-) 05:41 sabdfl CC decides to decline the proposal, we can of course discuss this again in future if the situation changes === gnomefreak never seena tie before 05:42 cjwatson gnomefreak: that wasn't a tie, it was -1/4 05:42 mako i'm sympathetic for arguements from both side, but don't see a mandate for moving from the community 05:42 apokryphos I think it would've been useful to get input from people on the IRC ops council on this issue too 05:42 sabdfl Seveas: what's next? 05:42 Seveaz sabdfl: forums guidelines 05:42 sabdfl ok, we had extensive and ultimately very positive, constructive discussions on this during mountain view 05:43 sabdfl i think everyone in the CC wants to give the Forums full recognition and integration in the the ubuntu community 05:43 sabdfl so thanks to those who devoted a lot of time to the discussions 05:43 jono the document is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumsGovernance 05:43 ubuntugeek I have no issues at this time with the FG.. we discussed it in detail at the mds 05:44 sabdfl one thing that i think is worth pointing out is that a lot of this thinking has been generalised to other teams too 05:44 mako yeah, i'm excited that it looks like we're finally ready to move forward with this.. it's way, way past time that the forums be given full recognition for the central role they've played 05:44 sabdfl so this effort pays off not just for Forums but for other growing parts of the community 05:44 sabdfl like the MOTU 05:44 sabdfl these guidelines, structures etc will get duplicated and re-used 05:44 ubuntu_demon Maybe we should ask if there are people who have big issues with the document ? 05:44 sabdfl so a worthwhile investment of time and thinking from ubuntugeek, jono, mako, ubuntu_demon, MikeB-, CC and many others 05:45 sabdfl can we take out the "This a draft. Everything here is completely open for discussion and reevaluation." 05:45 mako the only procedural clarification i'd like to make now (which i think is clear in the document), is that council, when initially created, won't immediately be able to create ubuntu members 05:45 mako sabdfl: i'd love to 05:46 sabdfl ok, i'm going to chop off the top and bottom which are focused on the discussion, so what we have left is the RESULT and the document for approval by the CC 05:46 mako sabdfl: i just chopped off the top 05:46 ubuntu_demon mako : the CC will guide the FC in the process of creating ubuntu members right ? So maybe current forum staff on the CC agenda can be the first to go through this new process 05:47 ubuntugeek ud: I think we were going to get to the election of ubuntu members down the road at some point 05:47 jono so are there any aspects that anyone wishes to discuss about the document? 05:48 mako ubuntu_demon, ubuntugeek: that's right, soon, we just need to see a few of the FC members here as we go through the process so we're sure everyone is on the same page in terms of qualifications for membership 05:48 mako ubuntugeek, ubuntu_demon: we've done that with all of the councils as well 05:49 ubuntugeek none here.. I would like to note per our conversations at mds.. the FC would be formed initially of myself, john and mike with the nominations of two others to sit on the fc with us.. i dont see that on the document 05:49 ubuntu_demon mako : yeah great . There are a few forum staff who want to become Ubuntu Members. There's at least one on the current CC agenda (I haven't had time to take a good look at it) 05:49 jono ubuntugeek: which Mike? 05:49 ubuntugeek kiwinz braniff 05:49 jono right 05:49 PriceChild ubuntu_demon: I'm one :) 05:50 SD-Plissken ubuntugeek now theres the question who will pick the other two parties to sit with you? 05:50 ubuntu_demon kiwinz and john (jdong) are both forum admins 05:50 sabdfl ok, i've taken out all the "discussion" stuff 05:50 sabdfl so the doc represents a clear proposal 05:50 sabdfl https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumsGovernance?action=diff 05:50 ubuntugeek sd-.. the admins have already discussed and chosen.. 05:50 mako ubuntugeek: right, we need the full list so we can approve it 05:51 ubuntu_demon SD-Plissken: IMHO Ryan can start with 3 admins as FC or 3 admins + 2 others (chosen by Ryan as well) 05:51 sabdfl to be clear, the nominations should come from the CC, not just approval of forums admins decisions 05:51 ubuntugeek mako: full list of what? 05:51 sabdfl the process is laid out in the FG doc 05:51 mako ubuntugeek: candidates, namely the two others 05:51 mako ubuntugeek: sorry, forum *council* members 05:51 ubuntugeek i was under the impression to initialize this process we were going to select 05:52 sabdfl the initial FC is 3 members (ryan troy, mike braniff, john dong) 05:52 sabdfl we need to expand that to 5 05:52 ubuntugeek Right 05:52 sabdfl process is cc appointment in consultation with [list of stakeholders] 05:53 sabdfl i'd like to get to 5 quick, and think it's reasonable for the FC (of 3) to put up some names 05:53 sabdfl if the CC is happy, we can JDI 05:53 ubuntugeek Thats fine 05:54 ubuntu_demon what does JD stand for ? 05:54 sabdfl Just Do It 05:54 ubuntu_demon okay thanks :) 05:54 ubuntugeek mikeb and matthew are our two selections. 05:54 sabdfl intro to matthew? i think the CC has met MikeB in Moutnain View 05:54 mako sabdfl: so, to clarify, is the idea to vote on this now with the initial list of three 05:54 cjwatson mikeb as in Basinger? 05:54 cjwatson which matthew? 05:54 ubuntugeek cjwatson: correct 05:54 ubuntu_demon ubuntugeek : Do mikeb and matthew know you have nominated them ? 05:55 sabdfl mako: if we have 2 good candidates, i think we all win with a fast decision on the expansion as well as the FG docs 05:55 sabdfl ubuntu_demon: heh, good point === mako nods 05:55 sabdfl they do, of course, have to want the position :-) 05:55 ubuntu_demon matthew and mikeb are two fine forum moderaters who have been active in the staff for quite some time 05:55 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=17635 05:55 mako well, MikeB- knows now :) 05:55 PriceChild +1 on that ubuntu_demon 05:55 ubuntugeek ud: yes they know 05:55 MikeB- ubuntugeek asked me a couple of weeks ago, I would be honored 05:56 jenda I'd second that too, ubuntu_demon. 05:56 ubuntugeek and both accepted 05:56 sabdfl has this been publicly discussed by forums staff? 05:56 sabdfl since we're approving the FG doc, it seems sane to make sure it's followed :-) 05:56 ubuntugeek matthew is a fine moderator who has take the intuitive to excel his role on the forums. 05:57 sabdfl but, has it been publicly discussed with forums staff? 05:57 ubuntu_demon sabdfl: AFAIK it's not been publicly discussed with forums staff (it's new to me but I've been quite busy lately with school) 05:57 sabdfl are both candidates ubuntu members? 05:58 ubuntugeek no clue 05:58 jenda MikeB-: is candidating now 05:58 MikeB- sabdfl: appliying today 05:58 sabdfl (it would be a trivial +1 given their contributions to the forum, clearly) 05:58 MikeB- :), Vote Mike! 05:58 ubuntu_demon is matthew here now ? 05:58 ubuntugeek i dont think he could make it 05:58 sabdfl ok, CC, how do you feel about dealing with MikeB now, and asking for more on matthew? 05:58 jenda matthew is an ubuntu member 05:58 sabdfl the doc says 05:58 jenda https://launchpad.net/people/matthelmke 05:58 sabdfl - ubuntu member 05:58 sabdfl - public wiki page 05:58 elmo trivial +1 on MikeB- 05:59 cjwatson ditto elmo 05:59 MikeB- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeBasinger 05:59 mako sabdfl: we've seen matthelmkde before, 05:59 sabdfl - opinions from forums staff, admins (we have that) 05:59 cjwatson matthew is already in ubuntumembers, good 05:59 ubuntu_demon +1 for MikeB 05:59 jenda mako: careful, mdke = Matthew East 05:59 sabdfl yeah, all i'm looking for is a bit more public process within the Forums on matthew's nomination to FC 06:00 cjwatson MikeB-: could you stick a link to your launchpad page on your wiki page? thanks 06:00 mako jenda: while tricky, i think i can keep my matthe's straight ;) 06:00 sabdfl mako: we've hired a BUNCH more at Canonical :-) 06:00 SD-Plissken sabdfl matthew and mike are both good to go,and standup guys. 06:00 sabdfl not all of whom, i think, are straight 06:00 jenda hehe :) 06:00 ubuntu_demon sabdfl: the best way to get more forums input is discussing it in our private staff forum. Personally I support these two candidates (I didn't know about them being nominated) 06:00 ubuntugeek sd-plissken is a moderator 06:01 ubuntugeek you have enough feedback here to proceed 06:01 PriceChild For what its worth I'll back both of them also - moderator 06:01 mako i'm thrilled with MikeB- for membership 06:01 sabdfl ok, let's vote on MikeB for ubuntu membership, then for FC membership, and ask ubuntugeek to coordinate more public discussion on matthew amongst forums staff 06:01 ubuntu_demon ubuntugeek : that's true as well. How many forum staff are here now ? 06:01 mako the documentation only confirms that i thought before 06:01 ubuntugeek mako: ? 06:01 cjwatson I think we've already voted on MikeB for membership. :) 06:02 sabdfl so we have mako +1 on mikeb, and i will +1 too 06:02 cjwatson 16:58 < elmo> trivial +1 on MikeB- 06:02 cjwatson 16:59 < cjwatson> ditto elmo 06:02 sabdfl ok, and cjwatson too, so well done mikeb 06:02 mako ubuntugeek: documentation on his wiki page, etc 06:02 mako ubuntugeek: lots of contributions, activity on the forums, etc 06:02 MikeB- my thanks to you all 06:02 sabdfl welcome 06:02 ogra MikeB-, congrats and welcome 06:02 jono congratulations MikeB- 06:02 ubuntu_demon congratiolations MikeB ! :) 06:02 sabdfl +1 from me also for MikeB on the FC 06:02 PriceChild well done MikeB- 06:02 cjwatson MikeB-: (will need a launchpad account name to put that into effect) 06:03 mako right, i'm happy with both both MikeB- and matthew (for tha matter) on the FC 06:03 ubuntu_demon mako : me too 06:03 elmo what mako said 06:03 sabdfl ok, +1 from mako on both MikeB and matthew 06:03 ubuntu_demon (although I'm not a CC member :)) 06:04 sabdfl i'd like more evidence of open forums discussion on matthew, but if the rest of the CC +1's him i'll roll with it 06:04 ubuntugeek us three admins discussed it.. thats good enough, the fg isnt even in place yet. 06:04 ubuntugeek if it was we would have taken another direction 06:05 sabdfl ok, let's vote on the FG doc 06:05 sabdfl +1 from me on that 06:05 cjwatson I'm ok with MikeB and matthew, since the forums staff are happy 06:05 elmo +1 from me on FG 06:05 ubuntu_demon Great! 06:06 mako +1 from me as well 06:06 ubuntu_demon ubuntugeek : well chosen on matthew and mikeB 06:06 mako lets edit that document to include a list of FC members 06:06 ubuntugeek We will introduce the fc changes on the forums within the next week. 06:07 mako ubuntugeek: sounds good 06:08 ubuntu_demon So the FG did pass right ? 06:08 sabdfl cjwatson: vote on the FG doc? 06:08 mako ubuntu_demon: it's about to 06:09 sabdfl no pressure :-) 06:09 ubuntu_demon I see ... cjwatson's vote is still missing :) 06:09 cjwatson no issues with the FG document, pending approval of the initial FC members 06:09 sabdfl aren't they separate issues? 06:09 sabdfl one is process, the other is candidates? 06:09 cjwatson sabdfl: erm, yeah, seems like it 06:10 cjwatson so no issues from me 06:10 sabdfl thumbs up or down? 06:10 cjwatson up 06:10 ubuntugeek ok so we good on the fc+fg stuff? 06:10 sabdfl brilliant 06:10 jono fantastic 06:10 sabdfl OK, so CC approves the FG document, with much thanks to those who helped write it 06:10 ubuntu_demon Great! 06:10 kalon33 cool ! 06:11 MikeB- woot! 06:11 cjwatson open discussion on matthew wouldn't hurt, thinking about it - maybe make that one pending? shouldn't take long 06:11 sabdfl we have a full house of +1's on MikeB 06:11 ubuntugeek +1 matthew 06:11 ubuntugeek or we cant move forward 06:11 sabdfl so MikeB is on the FG, and i think it's worth asking ubuntugeek to host a discussion on matthew as the next candidate 06:11 sabdfl in the forums 06:11 mako we should also thanks ubuntugeek for bearing through this process.. and for all of his other work making the forums so great :) 06:11 PriceChild sabdfl: public or staff discussion? 06:11 sabdfl ubuntugeek: yes we can, FG doc is approved, you have a council of 4 including yourself, and you have a casting vote 06:12 PriceChild thanks ubuntugeek :) 06:12 cjwatson ubuntugeek: it doesn't seem like a blocker to start with 4 briefly? 06:12 sabdfl both, if needed, so public should be fine unless stuff gets tricky 06:12 ubuntugeek Like i said 06:12 ubuntugeek if we cant vote the people in 06:12 ubuntugeek we cant move forward 06:12 sabdfl ubuntugeek: you have a council, it's not at 5 people, but the FG doc calls for comment from a long list of folks and there is no thread on the forums to suggest that's happened 06:13 ubuntugeek blah 06:13 ubuntu_demon I trust matthew to do a good job. 06:13 ubuntugeek Then we shall not move forward 06:13 jenda What's the matter with matthew? 06:13 sabdfl i have no doubt matthew will get the nod in the next round, but i also think we owe it to the forums users and staff to have a place they can comment on candidates 06:13 PriceChild But surely now the 4 members are appointed... they can appoint the 5th immediately? 06:13 jenda I think he has unanimous support among us, the forum staff? 06:13 ubuntugeek OK, i am going to make this clear 06:13 sabdfl PriceChild: no, the FG does not appoint its own members 06:13 sabdfl sorry, FC 06:13 ubuntugeek we are not moving forward at this time 06:13 PriceChild sabdfl: sorry misunderstanding 06:15 sabdfl well, ok, i think we have made good progress 06:15 sabdfl the FG document is approved by the CC 06:15 sabdfl and we have a Forums Council of 4 members 06:15 ubuntugeek no we dont 06:15 sabdfl that's a good start 06:15 sabdfl ubuntugeek: in what sense do we not? 06:15 ubuntugeek Because we are not moving forward 06:16 cjwatson could you please rephrase that without using the words "moving forward"? I'm having trouble working out what you mean 06:16 jono ubuntugeek: what is your objection? 06:16 ubuntugeek During our calls, it was implied that the initial two people who be chosen by the current admins.. we did this.. 06:17 sabdfl not as i recall it, anyone else who was there care to weigh in? 06:17 MikeB- ubuntugeek: i think it is fine to get open discussion for both me and matthew on to the FC. I'm willing to delay my nod to the FC till next month so the community can have its say 06:17 sabdfl the doc explicitly names 3 initial members 06:17 sabdfl and explicitly gives a list of folks to be consulted on new appointments 06:18 sabdfl and explicitly says we want to get to 5 quickly 06:18 ubuntugeek ok if the three admins and the various mod's here backing people are not good enough then i am done here 06:18 sabdfl ubuntugeek: of course they are good enough, their voice counts 06:18 jono ubuntugeek: hang on a sec, lets ensure we are all clear on what we interpreted 06:18 ubuntugeek then finalize it and we can move on.. 06:18 sabdfl but the Forums Governance doc does not ask for "seconds from some admins or staff members" 06:19 sabdfl it says the CC will not appoint folks without consulting the staff and members 06:19 sabdfl mikeb had very widespread forums community support as a representative during these discussions 06:19 sabdfl which is why i think the CC is happy to say that the forums staff and members have really been consulted 06:19 sabdfl but matthew was not really part of that process 06:20 sabdfl i think forums members will be very happy to have a thread on this nomination, and i've no doubt it will reflect well on matthew 06:20 sabdfl given everything that's been said 06:20 sabdfl but i don't think the CC would be meeting its obligations under the FG doc, if we just +1 matthew 06:21 sabdfl without any evidence of a broad consultation of the forums members and staff 06:20 ubuntugeek i figured this would be like this.. thats why i was hesitant to even move forward.. 06:20 jenda Someone will have to resort to compromise here. I believe we should leave matthew as pending, as he is 1) not here to tell us he wants to do it 2) hasn't been discussed by the forum staff, although all of us present agree with him taking the spot. 06:21 mako i don't really have strong feelings either way on this 06:21 PriceChild +1 jenda 06:21 ubuntu_demon +1 jenda 06:21 MikeB- +1 jenda 06:22 ubuntu_demon there are some forum staff right here to support matthew though. 06:22 sabdfl "some staff" is not the same as "open consultation" 06:22 jenda sabdfl: +1 06:22 sabdfl right, and certainly not the same as "consulting forums members" 06:22 sabdfl i think it's obvious that a thread on the forums is the right way to get that open consultation 06:23 sabdfl which is why i'm suggesting ubuntugeek lead that 06:23 sabdfl and come back for a +1 on matthew once that's done 06:23 zarul I think you should make a decision here, it seems that we are dragging this issue to no ends... 06:23 ubuntu_demon then maybe we can do a staff poll and have a new CC meeting quickly (like next week) to get him on the FC and move on ? 06:23 jenda matthew has not been publically discussed, and I don't see a problem with waiting till next time, till matthew can make it, or till we have at least given a chance to other forum staff to have a say. 06:23 mako the agreement as i understood it was that the the admins/ubuntugeek would pick the extra two members.. but i think a consultation by the focums community/staff would probably be a good thing in either case.. since it seems that anything other than a confirmation is unlikely, i don't see any issue with doing it for matthew or even matthew and MikeB- 06:23 sabdfl matthew is NOT EVEN HERE 06:23 ubuntugeek BECAUSE HE COULDNT BE 06:23 sabdfl ubuntugeek: well, let's find a time that suits him 06:23 jono ok, lets calm down 06:24 sabdfl sorry 06:23 mako right, i think matthew should at least show up to a CC meeting 06:23 mako and he probably wouldn't mind seeing a thread about how everything thinks he's great :) 06:25 ubuntu_demon IMHO let's arrange a CC meeting with matthew attending asap (like next week or something). 06:25 jenda (there should be a meeting soon anyway, because a lot will be left over from this one so:) 06:25 jenda ubuntu_demon: +1 06:27 jono ok, lets clarify the position where we are now 06:27 jono ubuntugeek: still there? 06:28 ubuntugeek yes 06:28 jono excellent :) 06:28 jono ubuntugeek: what is core your objection at this point? 06:28 jono just to be 100% clear 06:28 ubuntugeek that my fears about this process have shown to be true regarding how this process is going to work. 06:28 sabdfl ubuntugeek: from what I have seen the CC has no objection to matthew as a candidate 06:29 sabdfl but there is some concern that the process needs to be followed 06:29 sabdfl the process is pretty clear in the FG doc we just approved 06:29 ubuntugeek there (was) no process before this 06:29 sabdfl that's all 06:29 ubuntugeek this is clean/new document 06:29 ubuntugeek a start.. 06:29 sabdfl i have no doubt the CC would +1 matthew after a thread on the forums discussing his candidacy 06:29 jono ubuntugeek: lets give the process a chance - and the agreement which you seem broadly happy with is there to secure a good, honest, consistent process 06:29 sabdfl i assume no major controvery emerging in that thread, given the unilateral support 06:30 sabdfl but it's important to show that we want the FG doc to mean something 06:30 cjwatson ubuntugeek: I'm not clear on what your fears are; I don't see anything going particularly wrong ... 06:30 jono much of this is just due process ubuntugeek 06:30 sabdfl i would have called for discussion on MikeB too, except I think we all feel that has already happened, in effect 06:30 MikeB- sabdfl: I'm willing to wait a month to allow discussion 06:30 jono many of us got to know MikeB- and his excellent contributions at the UDS 06:31 jono I am sure if we knew Matthew as well, everyone would approach this the same 06:31 sabdfl and the MikeB- was really mandated by the forums community as a representative already 06:31 jono ubuntugeek: see what I mean? 06:31 MikeB- it is only fair if Matthew and I get the same treatment 06:31 mako ubuntugeek: if you think it's more fair, we might ask for comments on both.. i tend to think it would be === mako nods to MikeB- 06:32 cjwatson it seems a bit artificial, we're obviously all happy with MikeB 06:32 cjwatson but shrug 06:32 jono MikeB-: I think you are getting the same treatment, its just that the CC are not as familiar with Matthew (yet) 06:32 mako cjwatson: fwiw, i'm also happy with matthew 06:33 cjwatson I think the current action is for a thread to be opened on the forums about matthew 06:33 ubuntu_demon any input from ubuntugeek ? 06:33 ubuntugeek nothing further we wont move forward until this is resolved 06:33 ubuntu_demon ubuntugeek : so we can move forward after Matthew is approved at the next CC meeting ? 06:34 jono ubuntugeek: how would you like to see it resolved 06:34 ubuntugeek ubuntu_demon: no it needs to be done this meeting.. there are enough people here to back matthew.. i 06:35 ubuntugeek the process in which you elect is flawed.. 06:35 ubuntu_demon Maybe we can focus on forumsgovernance first ? I would hate to see it break apart while we have made this much good progress. 06:35 ubuntugeek if you cant agree on matthew today then dont agree on mikeb 06:36 sabdfl i'd like to ask the CC if they think (a) the position is the CC should follow the FG doc in appointing the 2 new FC members, or if (b) the 3 forums admins should be appointing them 06:36 sabdfl for me it is clearly (a) 06:37 cjwatson well, I do sort of wonder why the FG doc exists if it isn't true :-) 06:38 ubuntugeek Like I said, when i walked away from our conversations at mds .. the other two people were going to be selected by the curent admins 06:38 MacSlow sabdfl, this whole stuff here is so intense... a bit frightening... but most impressive nevertheless. 06:38 mako but if it comes to a vote on approval of matthew, i would be happy to have him now 06:38 ubuntugeek to form the initial fc team. 06:38 sabdfl mako: (a) or (b)? 06:39 elmo I think (a) makes the most sense, simply because this is going to be the FC for the next year or so 06:39 mako cjwatson: for the initial bootstrap phase, that is right now, i think (b) would be appropriate and in line with our previous discussions 06:39 cjwatson FWIW I've no objection to generally following the forums admins' recommendations, but I'd like a chance to actually evaluate rather than just rubber-stamp, that's all 06:40 mako but i'm not opposed to (a) either don't really see why anybody would be 06:40 sabdfl ok, so 3 for (a) and 1 for (b) 06:40 cjwatson I can only be +0 on matthew simply because I've never talked to him 06:40 mako it will only make the position of those people more justified in the eyes of their constituency 06:40 ubuntugeek ok i am done here 06:40 sabdfl and matthew is not here now 06:40 ubuntugeek good day 06:40 cjwatson I don't *object*, just it's impossible to say an outright yes 06:40 MikeB- ryan , please wait 06:40 sabdfl ok, i will start the thread on the forums, to give the staff and users an opportunity to discuss matthew 06:40 jenda That doesn't help the forums, does it :/ 06:41 ubuntu_demon Can we please schedule a new CC meeting very soon to handle this FG ? 06:41 sabdfl ubuntu_demon: yes 06:42 ubuntugeek clearly what we discussed on the phone about this and how its playing out here is two different things 06:42 cjwatson surely worst case the practical effect is that it takes two weeks longer to get the FC going? I really don't see the big deal 06:44 mc44 ubuntugeek: if athread is opened on matthew and there is a concensus then the CC approves him to the FC, would you be happy to move forward 06:44 elmo ubuntugeek: FWIW, I couldn't confidently claim that (a) is what was agreed to on the phone, it's possible it _was_ (b), but would you not be willing to consider (a) and the (IMO) advantages it has? 06:45 sabdfl which forum would be the appropriate one for me to start those threads? 06:46 sabdfl i think (a) vs (b) was never explicitly discussed, i assumed it was clearly (a), ubuntugeek obviously assumed differently 06:46 sabdfl nonetheless, the CC voted for following the FG document process 06:46 ubuntugeek elmo: sure the issue i have is if you can't back both right now don't back either 06:47 sabdfl ubuntugeek: that's fine, i think MikeB has said he's open to that 06:47 sabdfl so i will open two threads 06:47 elmo ubuntugeek: sure, that's perfectly reasonable, happy to do that 06:47 ubuntugeek now i still strongly object to to the way its handled 06:47 elmo ubuntugeek: in what way? 06:48 ubuntugeek if you cant trust us to form an initial team then clearly down the road we will have the same issues 06:48 elmo ubuntugeek: we can and do trust you, we've all provisionally +1'ed on both mike and matthew. the issue is that we'd like the forums community to have a chance to participate 06:49 elmo ubuntugeek: this after all is going to be their forums council for a year, it seems fair to given them a chance to have some input, don't you think? 06:48 sabdfl it's Mike Basinger and Matthew ? 06:48 MikeB- sabdfl and ubuntugeek: I'm fine with that 06:48 sabdfl and forums nicks for both? 06:48 ubuntugeek matthew 06:48 ubuntugeek mike 06:52 sabdfl http://www.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=1876854#post1876854 06:54 sabdfl http://www.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=1876865#post1876865 06:48 gnomefreak sabdfl: can we set a meeting for either later this week sometime next week to finish the forums item. since the threads will be open it should be a fast vote? 06:49 jono ubuntugeek: do you feel the forums community will be happy with mikeb and matthew on the FC 06:50 ubuntugeek jono: yep i do 06:51 jono ubuntugeek: if so, why not just let the due process happen if the community would be happen with them? 06:51 ubuntugeek jono: thats fine do as you wish 06:52 jono ubuntugeek: ok, so you are happy for us to continue? 06:53 ubuntugeek jono: sure i dont really have a choice 06:53 ubuntugeek jono: you guys got me by the balls this time around.. 06:54 jono ubuntugeek: you *do* have a choice - this is not about forcing something out of you - it is about asking if you are happy with due process 06:54 jono ubuntugeek: if you are happy with that, we can move forward 06:54 ubuntugeek jono: thats fine.. so to recap.. FG is approved and the FC +3 admins is approved.. 06:54 ubuntugeek correct? 06:55 sabdfl ubuntugeek: yes 06:55 ubuntugeek ok 06:55 sabdfl FC consisting of 3 current admins 06:55 ubuntugeek Next time.. lets be more clear on how this is going to work 06:55 sabdfl fair enough 06:55 jono ubuntugeek: I think we can always improve communication - 95% of problems are simply misunderstandings 06:55 sabdfl ok, could you guys make those threads sticky, and give them a wide pumping for wide discussion? 06:55 PriceChild sabdfl: shall i rename both topics to "Potential..." instead of just the one? 06:56 ubuntugeek sabdfl: sure 06:56 sabdfl PriceChild: technically, they HAVE been nominated, and the CC is looking for background to make the appointments 06:56 ubuntu_demon Will the CC schedule an extra meeting soon ? Instead of having to wait for a month ? 06:57 elmo ubuntu_demon: yes 06:57 PriceChild sabdfl: its just odd having the "Potential" the wrong way around considering discussions that have already taken part 06:59 ubuntu_demon One question : should we defer Forum Staff to become Ubuntu Member until the next meeting so the CC can guide the FC at the next meeting ? That might be a nice way of smoothing the membership approval process 06:31 zarul sorry to interrupt guys, I am worry that I won't be able to wait longer, just in case I have to go out any time soon, here is the link to my profile: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZarulShahrin === somerville32 cheers on Zarul. 06:32 EmxBA +1 for zarul 06:32 sabdfl zarul: what's your LP account? URL? 06:33 zarul https://launchpad.net/people/zarulshahrin/ 06:33 sabdfl zarul: seems you have been active for more than a year? 06:33 sabdfl that's great 06:33 zarul sabdfl yes 06:34 zarul I founded MalaysianTeam in May last year 06:34 zarul If I am not wrong 06:34 zarul and I tried hard to promote it here 06:34 zarul and I am happy that we are growing now 06:34 sabdfl ok, +1 from me on zarul, long participation, active advocacy, and team leadership 06:35 mako +1 for me for zarul 06:35 zarul thank you all 06:35 sabdfl elmo? cjwatson, zarul? 06:36 elmo fine with zarul.. [...] 06:36 cjwatson +1 on zarul, though would like to see the malaysian team up for approval soon too since zarul's application is largely on that :-) 06:37 zarul So if everything is ok, can I leave now? 06:37 sabdfl zarul: congrats and welcome! 06:37 gnomefreak zarul: congrats 06:37 zarul ok 06:37 sabdfl (and good night, safe travels home) 06:37 zarul thank you all for voting 06:57 sabdfl what's next? 06:58 MacSlow sabdfl, call for nominations on "Localisation / Translation Team Leader" I believe 06:58 PriceChild isn't there only 2 CC members present right now? 06:58 sabdfl some things i think we can +1 with me and one other 06:59 sabdfl so loco's we can do, members we can do 06:59 jenda sabdfl: are we changing the rules in the middle of the game here? :) 07:00 sabdfl jenda: i do have a casting vote 07:00 jenda sabdfl: I'm not arguing 07:00 sabdfl i think we can auto+1 all current forums staff for membership right away 07:00 sabdfl elmo? 07:00 elmo as long as they've been staff for > 1 month, sure 07:01 sabdfl fair enough 07:01 PriceChild sabdfl: those that are applying of course.... not all want it 07:01 ubuntu_demon sabdfl : some forum staff might not want to become Ubuntu Members 07:01 sabdfl i *think* FG makes that a must-do? 07:01 PriceChild sabdfl: I thought it only meant they should abide by the CoC... 07:01 sabdfl ok 07:01 sabdfl you're right 07:01 ubuntugeek sabdfl: we cant force them to be ubuntu members 07:01 elmo PriceChild: that's implied by "auto+1", we wouldn't force membership on anyone 07:01 PriceChild just checking :) 07:01 ubuntugeek we have alot of good staff who just dont want to be that deep into it.. 07:01 sabdfl so, who's here, forums staff for more than 1 month? 07:02 PriceChild I know several feel strongly about that 07:02 PriceChild sabdfl: Me me me!!! 07:02 MikeB- +1 for pricechild 07:02 SD-Plissken What is price of being an ubuntumember pricechild. what do you have to give up to be a member such a team.. 07:02 ubuntu_demon +1 for pricechild :) 07:02 gnomefreak sabdfl: i would like to cheer for a few memebers i have ameeting to go to. i +1 for Christoffer Karvonen TravisWatkins Tony Yarusso and CodySomerville 07:03 sabdfl thanks gnomefreak 07:02 sabdfl confirm PriceChild is forums staff / moderator for more than a month? 07:02 ubuntugeek +1 for all our staff who wants it 07:02 PriceChild SD-Plissken: I don't believe there's anything I have to give up... 07:03 sabdfl PriceChild: what's your launchpad nick? 07:03 ubuntu_demon sabdfl : yes pricechild has been Forum Staff for more than one month 07:03 frodon +1 for PriceChild 07:03 PriceChild https://launchpad.net/people/pricechild/ 07:03 jenda sabdfl, elmo, just a BTW, there is a LP team indicating the forums staff: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntuforums-staff 07:03 jenda I can't guarantee it's 100% accurate, some of the new ones may be missing. 07:04 PriceChild SD-Plissken: becoming a member means I am bound by the CoC. This is just common decency to me and therefore in my opinon nothing to give up 07:04 sabdfl PriceChild: congrats, and welcome! 07:04 PriceChild Thanks :D 07:04 apokryphos PriceChild: being an ubuntero bounds you to that too. Little more to it. 07:04 ubuntu_demon congrats pricechild ! :) 07:04 SD-Plissken Thats all Pricechild.. hope there was no fine print.. lol 07:04 kalon33 congrats PriceChild 07:04 effie_jayx PriceChild, :D 07:04 frodon congrats pricey ;) 07:05 sabdfl anybody else in the forums moderator applying for membership crowd? 07:05 ubuntugeek I just spoke with Kingbahamut please +1 him for ubuntu meber he is an exceptional forum staff member.. 07:05 ubuntugeek he is unable to get on irc 07:06 sabdfl ubuntugeek: LP name for KingBahamut? 07:06 ubuntugeek Bill weber 07:07 PriceChild https://launchpad.net/people/gwosbahamut 07:07 PriceChild ^ KingBahamut 07:07 sabdfl as far as i can see, he has not applied for ubuntumember 07:07 jenda King Bahamut has also been doing some impressive work on doc.gwos.org/com 07:07 ubuntu_demon +1 for King Bahamut 07:08 SD-Plissken +1 for King Bahamut 07:08 PriceChild +1 KB 07:08 frodon +1 for KingBahamut as well 07:09 sabdfl ok, kingbahamut is done 07:10 ubuntugeek +1 for SD-plissken for ubutnu-member he is a staff as well.. 07:10 ubuntu_demon +1 for SD-plissken 07:10 frodon +1 for SD-plissken as well 07:10 jenda SD-Plissken has been a good moderator for several months 07:10 frodon LP : https://launchpad.net/people/sd-plissken 07:11 sabdfl SD-Plissken: done, welcome aboard 07:11 PriceChild well done SD 07:11 ubuntu_demon congrats SD-Plissken :) 07:11 frodon congrat SD-Plissken :) 07:11 SD-Plissken Thanks all 07:12 kalon33 congrats SD-Plissken 07:01 LoudMouthMan Yes, okay well the UKTeam is applying for Approval and submitted its application to Jono for the councils consideration. 07:04 LoudMouthMan sabdfl you asked about UKTeam, we have submitted the approval page for councils consideration do you have any further questinos ? 07:04 sabdfl LoudMouthMan: sorry, got diverted into low-hanging-fruit forums moderator membership approvals 07:06 elmo ok, you guys get -0.005 for using "syngeristic" in your approval application wiki page 07:06 elmo (synergistic even or however it's spelt) 07:06 ubuntu_demon elmo : what does syngreristic mean ? 07:06 elmo ubuntu_demon: ... exactly ;-) 07:07 elmo anyway, I'm +1 on the UK team 07:07 elmo (sorry, if we haven't got back to the loco team yet) 07:07 GazzaK :-) thanks elmo 07:07 jono the UK team have done some excellent work 07:08 jono they have a strong structure and a number of keen contributors - they also have a good direction forward 07:08 jono +1 for me 07:08 MikeB- +1 for me 07:08 PriceChild +1 UKTeam 07:09 sabdfl +1 from me on the UK team 07:09 popey w000t 07:09 apokryphos nice 8) === GazzaK skips about a bit, thanks 07:09 jamesbrose yay! 07:09 popey Go us! === jayteeuk cheers 07:09 LoudMouthMan So , sabdfl can I report back to the UKTeam that we have apporval ? and thanks to everyone for the votes, it is much appreciated. 07:09 sabdfl LoudMouthMan: all done - and welcome! 07:09 sabdfl very classy wiki page 07:09 sabdfl the status chart for projects is particularly cool, IMO 07:10 LoudMouthMan sabdfl thank you , I will pass the comments on to the team. 07:10 jono congrats LoudMouthMan 07:10 jono LoudMouthMan: I look forward to you leveraging synergies and fullfilling verticale markets 07:10 GazzaK lol @ jono 07:10 LoudMouthMan jono indeed, ill run those ideas up the flag pole soon enough 07:10 GazzaK if he starts on that, I'm moving to tibet === MacSlow hands the voting crowd these URLs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Macslow https://launchpad.net/people/macslow 07:12 sabdfl MacSlow has an excellent track record upstream 07:12 sabdfl also made good contributions at UDS Mountain View 07:12 dholbach MacSlow is my favourite friendly flipping hacker in the Ubuntu community and I'm happy to see his cairo-clock in Ubuntu's Universe already. 07:12 sabdfl MacSlow: where are you making ubuntu-specific contributions === MacSlow points to seb128, sabdfl, jono, dholbach, matthewrevell as his 'fan-club' :) 07:12 sabdfl ? 07:13 MacSlow sabdfl, https://launchpad.net/people/macslow/+packages 07:13 MacSlow my upstream http://macslow.thepimp.net/cairo-clock 07:13 seb128 MacSlow is doing some good job 07:13 MacSlow I do a bit guerilla-marketing KungFu on enemy-territory -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41128780@N00/296376139 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41128780@N00/296376031 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41128780@N00/296375822 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41128780@N00/197579312 07:13 seb128 nice to have cairo-clock to universe and him around looking at bling ;) 07:13 sabdfl but let's wrap up with him, then do everyone else in order of the agenda 07:14 seb128 looks really good 07:14 sabdfl ok, +1 from me for MacSlow on the basis of packaging contributions and votes form seb and dholbach 07:14 elmo +1 for MacSlow too 07:14 sabdfl welcome aboard, MacSlow 07:15 popey congrats MacSlow 07:15 kalon33 Congrats MacSlow 07:15 dholbach and what I saw from the future ubuntu hacks department already looks great too :-) 07:15 MacSlow sabdfl, cool thanks! === dholbach hugs MacSlow === MacSlow does a back-flip of rejoice :) 07:15 sabdfl MacSlow: could you edit your LP display name to be "Mirco Mueller" with all the right dots? 07:18 MacSlow sabdfl, move both, my launchpad- and wiki-page, to MircoMueller instead of MacSlow?! 07:19 sabdfl MacSlow: just change the "display name" (not the account name) on the LP one 07:19 sabdfl macslow is fine as an account name 07:19 MacSlow sabdfl, ah ok 07:15 seb128 MacSlow: well done ;) 07:15 ubuntu_demon congrats MaCSlow 07:15 MacSlow thanks everybody! 07:16 fernando congrats MacSlow 07:19 markvandenborre the first 5 were already taken care of in the previous meeting 07:19 markvandenborre but not scrapped for some reason 07:19 sabdfl were the first 5 all approved? 07:20 sabdfl duelling banjos! 07:20 elmo sabdfl: andrew wasn't yet 07:20 elmo sabdfl: michael biena was 07:20 elmo sabdfl: paul schulz was.. [shall I just edit the wiki page? :)] 07:21 sabdfl elmo: i'm editing... 07:21 elmo sabdfl: ok, Sridhar Dhanapalan was also approved 07:19 sabdfl markvandenborre: you're up! 07:19 markvandenborre https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkVanDenBorre 07:19 markvandenborre Belgian team lead 07:20 sabdfl wow, awesome list of contributions, markvandenborre 07:20 sabdfl how's the belgian free software scene shaping up? 07:21 markvandenborre it's rocking... you really should come to FOSDEM and experience it yourself 07:21 sabdfl ok, very clear +1 from me for mark on the back of a very long period of participation and lots of diverse contributions 07:21 La_PaRCa haha, you even have an endorsements section 07:22 GnuKemist markvandenborre: seems to represent the Belgium team's best interest really well 07:22 markvandenborre sabdfl, thx! 07:22 elmo +1 for mark 07:22 sabdfl welcome aboard, mark! 07:22 kalon33 congrats markvandenborre ! 07:22 dinda Congrats Mark V! 07:22 jono congrats markvandenborre === markvandenborre jumping around & smiling 07:23 MacSlow markvandenborre, congratulations 07:23 GnuKemist markvandenborre: sing that Belgium song you were singing at the UDS ;) 07:23 markvandenborre :) 07:23 elmo seanh: ok, let's do you now then 07:24 seanh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanHammond 07:24 sabdfl seanh: very nice page, too 07:24 sabdfl congrats on the oo.o advocacy! 07:24 seanh thanks 07:25 sabdfl +1 from me for seanh, on the back of very extensive advocacy 07:25 elmo seanh: "I've been contributing to Ubuntu for two or three years." .. careful, almost in danger of time warping ;-) 07:25 seanh heh, well, since the first release 07:25 elmo but +1 from me also for seanh 07:25 MacSlow seanh, gee you've been busy! 07:25 sabdfl ok, welcome aboard, seanh! 07:26 seanh cool, thanks 07:26 kalon33 congrats seanh 07:26 elmo Burgwork: ok, let's do .ca loco now then? 07:26 Burgwork elmo: lets go 07:28 elmo (sorry, just reading) 07:28 elmo Burgwork: anything I should know ;-) 07:28 Burgwork we are a pretty active with, with many of our members active in other ubuntu teams 07:28 Burgwork and we have the canonical support office 07:29 Burgwork although it is questionable how much work they actually do :) 07:29 jono I just looked at the canadian application 07:29 jono I think there needs to be a better fleshed out roadmap 07:29 sabdfl Burgwork: errrr 07:30 jono if the team could expand and possibly delegate volunteers to the roadmap, I think we are looking good 07:30 Burgwork jono: sure 07:30 jono Burgwork: if you can expand the roadmap and I am happy to approve if the CC would like me to 07:31 Burgwork jono: now or on the wiki? 07:31 MagicFab Burgwork, I can chip in that roadmap - we already have some work on that here (QC) 07:31 jono Burgwork: later on the wiki 07:31 Burgwork ok, will do 07:31 jono I just think you need to better clarify your direction :) 07:31 Burgwork alright 07:31 jamonation Burgwork, jono lophyte says he's happy to help with that 07:31 jono sabdfl: elmo happy if I look over the Canadian team's update roadmap and if it is suitable approe it? 07:32 tonyyarusso I think that is beginning to get better, as we are planning to do regular meetings now. 07:32 elmo jono: works for me 07:32 tonyyarusso There's a lot going on, so the mtgs will help everyone know what they are and where they stand. 07:32 kalon33 Sorry elmo, jono, sabdfl, all, I'm a candidate for becoming an Ubuntu member and I've to go in 15 minutes... :/ 07:32 sabdfl jono: perfectly 07:32 jono ok cool 07:32 jono Burgwork: ping me when it is updated 07:33 Burgwork jono: will do 07:32 elmo kalon33: your next, go 07:33 kalon33 thanks 07:33 kalon33 Hello all, I'm kalon33, and my real name is Nicolas Derive. I'm a French student in biology at Bordeaux 2 university. My contributions to ubuntu are translations, bugs report and triage, and support to other users. Details are availiable on my wiki page. Any questions ? 07:33 kalon33 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kalon33 07:35 elmo kalon33: how long have you been around and doing translations, triage etc.? 07:36 kalon33 since Dapper for translations and bug report (because I tested it too) 07:36 kalon33 triage for... 2 or 3 months 07:36 elmo kalon33: ok 07:36 kalon33 and support for 1-2 months I think. 07:37 elmo +1 from me for kalon33 on the basis of his translation and triage work 07:37 elmo sabdfl: ? 07:37 kalon33 I'm using Ubuntu since July 2005, and started Dapper testing on January 2006. 07:37 sabdfl +1 - welcome aboard kalon33! 07:37 elmo ok, who's next in order 07:37 kalon33 and Edgy in July. 07:38 kalon33 thanks elmo, sabdfl === kalon33 is very happy ! 07:38 elmo theCore: still here? 07:38 theCore yes 07:38 theCore I'm Alexandre Vassalotti, a Science student in Quebec, Canada. I plan to go in Computer Science and I will probably do a career as a software developer. I been active in the Ubuntu community for a little bit more than a year. I'm currently mastering Python and C. I plan to use my skills to make Ubuntu even better. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexandreVassalotti 07:39 EtienneG theCore, where are you located ? I am in Mtl, used to live in Qubec City 07:39 MagicFab theCore, consider joining https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qc :) 07:39 theCore EtienneG: near Montreal 07:39 jbailey As all the Qubec folks poke their heads in. =) 07:39 EtienneG yes ... *please* 07:39 theCore EtienneG: Ile Perrot 07:39 Keybuk Alexandre did the upstart logo </trivia> 07:39 tonyyarusso theCore also is one of the folks who gives quizzes in #ubuntu-trivia for a mix of fun and learning. :) 07:39 Keybuk so has my full support :) 07:39 EtienneG theCore, cool 07:39 GazzaK triva is great :-) 07:39 theCore MagicFab: sure 07:39 EtienneG are active in MLUG andor FACIL ? 07:39 kalon33 +1 for theCore, who works a lot with support and bug triage. === mneptok waves a a fleur-de-lis 07:40 anto9us theCore has worked very hard in lots of areas one of which has been the IRC channel #ubuntu-trivia to which he's given unselfish and unrelenting commitment to the education and entertainment of others, it's growing popular too :) 07:41 sfllaw I'm throwing in my hat for theCore as well. 07:41 dholbach the whole -ca mafia is around :) 07:42 elmo ok, +1 from me to theCore on the basis of his incredible support work etc. 07:42 elmo sabdfl: ? 07:53 sabdfl +1 on theCore - python fans unite! 07:42 jenda I can definitely vouch for theCore :) 07:42 mako-away hmm 07:42 mako fortunately, or perhaps unfortunately for those here, things still seem to be in metion :) 07:42 jenda Based on amazing work with #ubuntu-trivia and some contribution to UWN 07:43 Amaranth sivang: that's why i'm hoping this won't take long 07:43 dsas_ I'm one of many that enjoy the friday quiz too :) 07:44 elmo ok, let's start on amaranth while sabdfl's afk and mako's catching up 07:44 elmo (assuming mako's willing to continue :) 07:44 PriceChild I'll cheerlead on Amaranth 07:44 elmo ok, I'll continue the skipping out of order thing, sorry for anyone this affects 07:44 mneptok i can endorse Amaranth. i have seen him active not only with Ubuntu itself, but upstream at GNOME as well. 07:45 elmo Amaranth: go 07:45 Amaranth Alright. Well, my name is Travis Watkins, I've been here before and been approved, just missed some little details. Hoping this won't take long. :) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TravisWatkins 07:45 elmo Amaranth: what's willowNG? 07:45 elmo might want to link to it on your wiki page 07:45 Keybuk Amaranth also has my support, he's been pretty active on #upstart 07:45 dholbach Amaranth: I tought you already were member 07:45 Amaranth Oh, and I bring the bling! ;) Doing some work on compiz and beryl but mostly focusing on configuration frontends. 07:45 Amaranth dholbach: haha 07:45 cbx33 Amaranth, is a star, has always been a great help to me and the whole of edubuntu ;) 07:46 dholbach he's been active with smeg (now alacarte) too and it's been easy to work with him on bugs and all 07:46 Amaranth elmo: I wish ogra was here to explain, I'm bad at this. 07:46 mneptok oh, Amaranth can also take a punch. face or groin. very handy. 07:46 GazzaK can I be a fanboy for Amaranth too, as he has really helped me out, and others on irc, with beryl and other things 07:46 Amaranth It's a web proxy that uses bayesian filtering to block unwanted content. 07:46 elmo Amaranth: ah, I see, interesting 07:47 elmo ok, +1 from me on amaranth on the basis of all the development work and fanboys (et al.) 07:47 cbx33 heheh 07:47 Amaranth if it helps, "i bring bling" ;) 07:47 somerville32 +1 for Amaranth :] 07:47 elmo Amaranth: doesn't do anything for me, but I'm sure it'll help with sabdfl 07:47 cbx33 Bling Bling Amaranth 07:47 ogra Amaranth, ? 07:47 MacSlow Amaranth, that always helps :) 07:48 seb128 Amaranth: hint, you want to work on compiz ;) 07:48 Amaranth seb128: I work on both. :) 07:48 MacSlow Amaranth, you need to work on compiz! ;) 07:48 seb128 Amaranth: compiz is better ;) 07:48 ogra Amaranth has my full support if he commits to make willowng work again in feisty ;) 07:49 ogra MacSlow, seb128 he should first finish his older projects ;) 07:50 ogra MacSlow, the conmtent filter he wrote for edubuntu ... i'd like to have it on the CD for feisty 07:50 MacSlow ogra, comment-filter or content-filter? 07:54 sabdfl +1 to Amaranth, long track record of contributions 07:48 elmo ok, MagicFab you're up 07:48 MagicFab elmo ok 07:48 MagicFab I work on advocacy, translations, local support & translations. Sometimes I pitch in to answer the most-recent unanswered forum posts, sometimes I'll go spend hours on putting Xubuntu on those old macs. These days I am focused on making the ubuntu-co (Colombia) and ubuntu-qc (Quebec, Canada) teams official. 07:48 MagicFab Oh, and I tried bling on a PIII-500 - it works! :D 07:48 MagicFab URL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabianRodriguez 07:49 elmo MagicFab: full disclosure, pls 07:49 mneptok i'll endorse MagicFab heartily. i know he has been active in free software in Quebec for years, and has been advocating Ubuntu almost from the inception. 07:49 EtienneG for what it is worth, i am all behind MagicFab 07:49 MacSlow ogra, just started reading his page more thoroughly 07:49 sfllaw I met MagicFab two years ago where he was supporting Ubuntu! 07:49 La_PaRCa I am a MagicFab fanboy. He has been doing great work getting the ubuntu-co team up and running. 07:49 EtienneG basically, he *is* ubuntu-qc (we need to fix that) 07:49 MagicFab elmo, I started working with Canonical's support office in Mtl 2 weeks ago. My membership was on the CC Agenda for a while 07:50 elmo MagicFab: thx 07:50 cr3 I can also vouch for MagicFab's presence in the local communities in Quebec 07:50 EtienneG and I take the blame for refering him :) 07:51 sfllaw MagicFab is an excellent all around guy. 07:51 EtienneG ^^ 07:51 mneptok sfllaw*3 07:51 EtienneG very pro, very level-head, the kind of advocate we want 07:51 MagicFab cr3, sfllaw, mneptok, etienne are colleagues, but they have witnessed I am very respectful at Ubuntu parties :) 07:51 La_PaRCa its the ubuntu-ca mafia 07:51 sfllaw Where's jbailey? 07:51 cr3 for example, I know that MagicFab was present to all the free-software related events in Montreal: copyright 2005, sqil, linux-expo, many free software conferences and many many installfests 07:51 jbailey sfllaw: I'm here. 07:51 mneptok MagicFab: until the horse tranqulizers kick in 07:51 ogra MacSlow, apt-cache show willowng 07:51 cr3 err, I mean all free-software related events I know of 07:51 jbailey sfllaw: But I don't have enough to contribute for his community interaction. 07:52 sfllaw He organized jbailey's talk at FACIL. 07:52 jbailey MagicFab: Oh, you organised that? Thanks. =) 07:52 MagicFab sfllaw, I produced the video - don't know what's worse :) 07:52 elmo sfllaw: is that a polite way of saying "ghost wrote"? ;-) 07:52 sfllaw jbailey: Dude! 07:52 EtienneG and e was advocating Ubuntu at all these place 07:53 jbailey sfllaw: Eh, I was told to show up at a particular place and give a talk on Ubuntu, so I did. =) 07:53 MagicFab https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabianRodriguez and scrolling to "Contributions" is a good summary 07:53 mneptok jbailey: show up in my kitchen and give a tolk on Ubuntu as you bake me a pie. 07:53 jbailey Not having to know who arranged it only seems like a positive reflection on the organisation of it. =) 07:53 elmo MagicFab: did you apply previously or am I misremembering? 07:54 MagicFab elmo, twice, actually - wasn't considered sustained. np with that 07:54 elmo ok, +1 from me for MagicFab 07:54 sabdfl MagicFab: +1 too - welcome! 07:54 theCore thanks everyone for supporting me 07:55 EtienneG MagicFab, well done, well deserved === jbailey ^5's to MagicFab 07:55 sabdfl who's up next? === MagicFab hugs back 07:55 EtienneG high five ! 07:56 elmo popey: go 07:56 popey https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanPope https://launchpad.net/people/alanpope that's me 07:56 popey i do a lot of support, i created some screencasts - http://quickones.org/ , I help LUGs.. 07:56 sabdfl popey: how's #ubuntu doing from a support perspective? 07:56 popey I do web based support on the tickets 07:57 popey generally don't venture into #ubuntu at the moment === Seeker` can vouch for popey, "I've not been here long, but he is very active in #ubuntu-uk, he made me feel welcome and is good at answering support requests on the channel 07:57 popey find it easier to forumlate answers in support tickets 07:57 popey clocked up 10 million karma :) 07:57 sabdfl popey: what do you think of the web based tracker, have you spoken at all with flacoste who is leading the work onthat? 07:57 cbx33 popey is one of the most dedicated linux helpers around 07:57 LoudMouthMan Im Popey fan club also and feel that UKTeam has consitantly benefited from his input. 07:57 cbx33 he's untiring in his efforts 07:57 popey I like it, it's easy to use, I can help from anywhere :) === Seeker` agrees with LoudMouthMan 07:57 sabdfl +1 from me on the basis of a huge contribution in ubuntu support 07:58 elmo +1 too 07:58 mako +1 from me as well 07:58 GazzaK <GazzaK> I'd love to say a bit about Alan Pope, ( popey ) - He is very very helpful to all ubuntu users, he is very active on irc and has made some great demos on how to do things in ubuntu which are help on his own server ( quickones.org ) he is also very active in launchpad, helping so many people. In fact I support what he is doing so much I made this little (work safe) image - http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8489/popeysmembergg2.jpg === dsas joins the popey fan club too, he's one of the big lp support people. 07:58 popey \o/ thanks guys 07:58 sabdfl 241 results! 07:58 cbx33 dude you rock 07:58 popey cheque in post 07:58 sabdfl welcome aboard! 07:58 elmo LoudMouthMan: I believe you needed to go next? 07:58 LoudMouthMan Nik Butler is a 30 something Open Source Evangelist Living and Working in the South Of England and promoting OpenSource since the turn of the century. He has been promoting Ubuntu through BNI, FSB and his own Clients and regularly seeks new opportunities to increase awareness of Ubuntu as a Linux Desktop for Human Beings.His future plans include increasing awareness of Ubuntu to the many local SME IT Support companies in the 07:58 LoudMouthMan South of England. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NikButler 07:59 popey LoudMouthMan: ++++ === Seeker` starts a LoudMouthMan fanclub too, "He is also very helpful and welcoming, and has done a lot for the UK team" 07:59 sabdfl mehdi? === binary2k2 waves his "LoudMouthMan for Ubuntu Membership" flag too 07:59 dsas +1 for LoudMouthMan he's basically the ubuntu-uk lead 07:59 GazzaK Nik Butler ( LoudMouthMan ) is a very helpful person, I have been helped on many occasions by him, and he is always in the #ubuntu-uk channel. both him and popey were at the linuxworld2006 expo and made everyone feel very welcomed. yet again, as my show of being a total fanboy I made this - http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9863/nikmemberwq3.jpg - (work safe image) 07:59 popey +1 for LoudMouthMan for organising the expo stand 07:59 NeilSimmons LMM get a +1 from me, coz I can't give him a +10. 08:00 sabdfl Nik, awesome personal wiki page 08:00 LoudMouthMan thanks . sabdfl. 08:00 NeilSimmons He's been my personal introduction to FOSS and especially Linux since 1999 and as helped countless small business users get the benefits of Linux as well. 08:01 sabdfl LoudMouthMan: do you do much online, or mostly in-person advocacy? 08:01 sabdfl and what's the BCF? 08:01 LoudMouthMan sabfl its moslty been in person advocacy my online persona has kicked off since Jono kicked me into touch. but support tickets wise not so much as popey 08:01 LoudMouthMan British Computer Fairs, 08:02 mako LoudMouthMan: how long have you been involved in ubuntu? 08:02 LoudMouthMan oh and Business Network International . 08:02 GazzaK and he also sorted out Polo Shirts for the linuxworld expo :-) 08:02 LoudMouthMan mako when did it first get on the magazine covers in the uK ? probably over a year ogo . 08:02 mako LoudMouthMan: great :) 08:02 LoudMouthMan theres a Southafrican travel compny called Ehtosmarketing who make most use of it! 08:03 mako anyone else involved in the UK team who wants to give a testimonial === Seeker` would like to reiterate his point that he is very valuable to the UK team 08:03 elmo mako: I think GazzaK and popey did? or do you want some more? 08:03 sabdfl ok, +1 from me for LoudMouthMan on the back of strong advocacy over time 08:03 elmo +1 from me too 08:03 sabdfl LWE was awesome this year, thanks LoudMouthMan 08:03 GazzaK \o/ yay for popey \o/ yay for LoudMouthMan 08:04 LoudMouthMan sabdfl well it was the team but thanks. 08:04 sabdfl LoudMouthMan: what's your LP nick? 08:04 sabdfl can't see you in the applicants list of ubuntumembers 08:04 LoudMouthMan it should be NIkButler on Launchpad and its loudmouthmanonline 08:04 LoudMouthMan sabdlf I wasnt sure if you join that before or after approval ? 08:05 elmo LoudMouthMan: it seems to be 'reducedhackers' ? 08:05 elmo LoudMouthMan: before, please do it now 08:05 LoudMouthMan will do 08:06 mako yeah, +1 for me too 08:06 mako for LoudMouthMan 08:06 LoudMouthMan elmo changed to nikbutler is that okay ? 08:06 sabdfl LoudMouthMan: np 08:06 elmo LoudMouthMan: whatever you like is fine 08:07 LoudMouthMan thanks guys, cheers everyone . 08:07 sabdfl LoudMouthMan: you need to go to launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers and apply there 08:09 LoudMouthMan sabdlf: also now done , thanks 08:05 elmo mruiz: go 08:05 sabdfl mruiz: go go go! ++06:29 newz2000 sorry to interupt, but I've got to go visit family in hospital now, I'm here to give a +1 for mruiz - he's been extremely active in trying to get latin america loco teams coordinated and really is busy trying to make things better for spanish speaking loco teams and ubuntu users 08:06 mruiz Hello. My name is Miguel Ruiz, Chilean Ubuntu LoCo member. I'm 23 years old. Currently I'm studying computer science. I've been using Linux since approximately May 2002. I discovered Ubuntu in January 2005 with Warty Warthog, and it became my favourite distro. 08:06 sabdfl mruiz: how can we improve the consistency of LoCo team websites? 08:07 mruiz My personal wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MiguelRuiz and my LP account: https://launchpad.net/people/mruiz 08:07 MagicFab mruiz, is also proposing a spanish planet - we're talking about coordinating all the spanish/latinam. locos 08:07 mruiz sabdfl: you can visit http://www.ubuntu-cl.org 08:07 sabdfl mruiz: i like that site 08:08 sabdfl i was asking how you think we can make it easier to get all the loco teams tohave really good sites, like this 08:08 sabdfl can we provide more standard services? 08:08 mruiz sabdfl: yes, I think this is a good idea 08:09 sabdfl mruiz: i'm really pleased to see contributions across quite a wide variety of places - bugs, loco, translations etc 08:09 sabdfl thats very cool 08:09 Yann2 (providing templates would help, imho) 08:09 sabdfl you started using ubuntu in Jan 05, when did you become active in the community? 08:09 mruiz yes, I share our templates with others LoCo teams 08:09 EmxBA also some forum (SMF, vbulletin or punbb) or joomla and other CMS templates would be helpful...? 08:10 sabdfl mruiz: when did you become an active contributor, as opposed to a user? 08:11 mruiz sabdfl: I started my work with Ubuntu community during last year, when we started in Chile our LoCo 08:11 sabdfl ok, +1 from me on the back of LoCo team leadership and website contributions 08:11 mruiz sabdfl, remember newz2000 vote and opinion 08:12 somerville32 :] 08:12 elmo +1 from me too 08:12 mako +1 from me as well, for the sae reasons as mark 08:12 somerville32 Sweet! 08:12 sabdfl super - welcome aboard, mruiz, and thank you for your contributions so far! 08:12 somerville32 Welcome mruiz! :) 08:14 sabdfl mruiz: i don't see you in the list of people applying for ubuntumembership 08:14 mruiz sabdfl: ok, I will do it 08:12 elmo EmxBA: you're up 08:12 mruiz thanks! 08:12 EmxBA ok 08:12 EmxBA my launchpad account is on https://launchpad.net/people/emxba translations on https://translations.launchpad.net/people/emxba/+translations Wiki page has some information about me - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmirBeganovic. I've made some redesigned Edubuntu logos - look at http://ubuntu.juliux.de/stuff/emx/edubuntu/ I've had Fujitsu Siemens Amilo L6825 notebook and tested it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/FujitsuAmiloL6825 . I've founded Bosnian Team (https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-ba) - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BosnianTeam - there's mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ba) and IRC channel (#ubuntu-ba on FreeNode) already, with descriptive wiki page too. Also reviewed and promoted Edubuntu and Ubuntu in 3 articles in local IT magazine (http://www.info.ba , http://www.info.ba/tekst.aspx?id=6361) and inside the regional (Bosnian and Herzegovinian) 08:12 EmxBA LUG 08:12 sabdfl mruiz: what's your launchpad id, and have you applied for ubuntumembers? 08:13 mruiz sabdfl: my LP id is mruiz 08:13 sabdfl emir - how long have you been an active contributor? 08:13 EmxBA since june this year 08:14 EmxBA and used ubuntu since last year 08:13 sabdfl and in which areas would you say you make the biggest contribution? 08:14 EmxBA sabdfl: translations, and loco team (that will be the primary thing in the future, yay) 08:14 sabdfl launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join 08:15 sabdfl ok, i see lots of translations, over several months 08:15 sabdfl what's your top wishlist feature for rosetta? 08:16 EmxBA wishlist....erm, dunno. rosetta is fine for me, sabdfl 08:15 mako EmxBA: how many people are involved in the bosnian loco? 08:16 EmxBA just me for now, because it's started few weeks ago, mako 08:16 mako EmxBA: how long has the team been active? 08:16 EmxBA mako: the wiki page appeared on 30th october 2006 08:16 mako EmxBA: nobody else has expressed interest? 08:16 mako yet 08:18 EmxBA mako: did, on the Bosnian LUG forum (forum.linux.org.ba), but there are no members yet. the things that were the main was IRC (and IRC meeting were organized too), and maling list. the resources are there and there are members on the forum and i know lots of them (use ubuntu for a lot) 08:17 sabdfl EmxBA: +1 from me, on the basis of lots of translation contributions 08:17 mako right, the translations work is very good 08:18 mako i don't know how i feel about a loco team with only on member.. still a great way to do promotion but not much of a team ;) 08:18 EmxBA i told you, it has opened recently... 08:18 mako EmxBA: yes yes, i know :) 08:19 sabdfl EmxBA: so you are saying there are bosnian contributors on irc, mailing list, just not signed up in LP team? 08:19 EmxBA and i'm also translating ubuntu guide to bosnian - http://start.linux.org.ba/Ubuntu_priru%C4%8Dnik 08:19 EmxBA sabdfl: yes, for now. but look e.g at http://launchpad.net/people/vljubovic, he has more than 2 million karma points 08:19 sabdfl ok, i'm happy 08:19 mako anyway, i'm happy with membership based on translations and advocacy work 08:20 EmxBA or this guy https://launchpad.net/people/jklipic which lives in germany, or the bosnian https://launchpad.net/people/kenanh which helps a lot in the LUG too === mako nods 08:20 mako EmxBA: keep up the good work 08:20 mako +1 for me 08:20 sabdfl and ask vlubovic to apply for membership too, if he wants :-) === somerville32 woots for EmxBA! :) === mako nods to sabdfl 08:20 elmo +1 from me too 08:20 sabdfl superb, welcome aboard, EmxBA 08:20 EmxBA just, I'm afraid that your opinions will change because of my years, assuming I'm the youngest active Ubuntu contributor 08:21 sabdfl youth is no obstacle - contribution, and approach (CoC) count 08:21 sabdfl hmm... should ask age on LP, so we would know who the oldest contributor is, too! 08:21 mako EmxBA: you're probably not the youngest 08:21 somerville32 Toby Smithe is 13 or 14 08:21 EmxBA active contributor, mako? 08:21 mako EmxBA: yes 08:22 maxamillion the founder of fluxbuntu is 19 and that impressed me :) 08:22 mako i'm not sure, but we've approved membership applications from people who are 13 and 14 before 08:22 sabdfl EmxBA: you hear that? you're *old* :-) 08:22 EmxBA OK, thank you!!! I like Ubuntu more than I used to :))) 08:23 EmxBA thanks sabdfl, it was nice chatting with the person whose article I've written on Bosnian Wikipedia :))) and others from CC ;) 08:22 elmo somerville32: I think you're next 08:22 somerville32 Hi, My name is Cody A.W. Somerville (aka somerville32) and I'm here today to apply for membership to the Ubuntu Community. I believe I have made an active and sustained contribution to *Ubuntu over the last few months through Translation and Localisation to English (Ca), support to users on #xubuntu, regular bug triage and support on Launchpad, local advocacy, development and administration of the Xubuntu.org websit 08:22 somerville32 e, as an active contributor to the Xubuntu Welcome Centre project and specification, as a regular contributor to xubuntu-devel mailing list, as an xubuntu developmer, my presentation at Ubuntu Open Week, as an editor of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, as the Xubuntu Wiki maintainer, as an IRC op and contact for the Xubuntu namespace, packaging, community development, and much more with roughly 40hrs a week devoted to 08:22 somerville32 *Ubuntu. Looking to the future, I'd like to continue to contribute in the aforementioned areas and will work on improving the desktop experience, further development of the Xubuntu and Ubuntu community, documentation, contributing upstream, plus numerous other endeavors. One day I hope to become a Canonical employee so that I can work on Xubuntu full time! :] 08:22 somerville32 My Wiki page can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodySomerville 08:22 somerville32 P.S. Big thanks to Jenda, Burgundavia, Seveas, Gloubiboulga, Vincent, Gnomefreak, Crimsun, TheSheep, Maxamillion, Jani, LjL, Tonyyarruso, dholbach (plus thanks for all the hugs), members of the Xubuntu and Ubuntu Community, and the numerous other individuals that I've had the pleasure of working with!! *hugs* 08:23 sabdfl somerville32: really nice wiki page 08:23 sabdfl those have become very, very good lately 08:23 somerville32 Thanks :] 08:24 jenda Cody somerville32 has been a great help with the Ubuntu Weekly News recently. === imbrandon is here to cheer a bit for somerville32 also , he has been trying to learn ( and doing a good job of it ) packaging too 08:24 mako i need to meet with someone who is leaving in 40 minutes 08:24 sabdfl somerville32: how's the xubuntu community shaping up? 08:24 jenda (and some nice work with teh open week too) 08:24 somerville32 sabdfl: I think Feisty is going to be a big milestone for us. Community activity has seen a dramatic increase since the release of Dapper. 08:24 sabdfl what's driving the community activity? 08:25 maxamillion Cody Somerille is driving community activity 08:25 tonyyarusso I'll wave a little somerville32 flag for work on UWN past and upcoming - he signed up for quite a few "beats" at our last mtg :) 08:25 jenda PLUS he's from Fredericton, which was my home for a year, so I definitely think he deserves membership :) 08:25 mako tonyyarusso: great 08:25 maxamillion sabdfl: cody is probably the single most active part of xubuntu and does a great deal of organization for the rest of us to have direction in our contributions 08:25 theCore sabdfl: probably, digg.com :) 08:26 sabdfl translation is all recent for somerville32 08:26 mako somerville32: great wikipage 08:26 somerville32 Thanks :) 08:26 sabdfl cody, are you actively packaging much? 08:26 somerville32 sabdfl: Yes. 08:26 sabdfl who's sponsoring your uploads? 08:27 somerville32 Crimsun has agreed to be my mentor and sponsor. 08:27 imbrandon sabdfl: yes he is a regular in the #ubuntu-motu channel soaking up as much as possible and even helping other motu hopefulls where he can 08:27 elmo how many xubuntu folks are core-dev atm? 08:27 somerville32 elmo: A handful, I would guess. 08:27 sabdfl somerville32: when would you say you became an active contributor, rather than user? 08:28 somerville32 sabdfl: Ever since I started using Ubuntu, I've helped out and what not in IRC. However, I would say that I started to take an active role as a contributor 3-4 months ago. 08:29 sabdfl ok, +1 from me on the basis of a wide variety of contributions over several months 08:29 MacSlow imbrandon, greetings btw 08:29 mako somerville32: yeah, there is a wide range of contributions and good documentation 08:29 elmo +1, same 08:29 imbrandon moins MacSlow 08:29 mako +! for me 08:29 mako +1 even 08:30 sabdfl ok, welcome aboard somerville32 08:30 somerville32 Thanks. :) 08:30 sabdfl will update LP now 08:30 maxamillion w00t for somerville32 !!!!! 08:28 EmxBA can someone give us, new members, a FAQ list or wiki page about things that should be done after the approval process? irc cloak and mail on ubuntu.com comes when? 08:29 EmxBA and membership on ubuntumembers is 2 years? 08:32 apokryphos EmxBA: for a cloak ping Seveas, when he's around 08:33 sabdfl EmxBA: email address comes automatically, with a short delay 08:33 sabdfl @ubuntu.com will forward to your LP preferred email 08:33 EmxBA ok, my mail is available on launchpad page 08:33 EmxBA ok 08:30 elmo jonh_wendell: you're up, go 08:30 jonh_wendell Hello. My name is Jonh Wendell. I'm a 27 years old programmer by profession. I started using Linux in 1997 at School. I like to contribute with FOSS. It's very exciting. Mainly coding. I really like to code! Triaging bugs is a very cool activity too. 08:30 jonh_wendell My wikipage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonhWendell 08:30 jonh_wendell My LP id: https://launchpad.net/people/wendell 08:31 sabdfl jonh_wendell: you look really young for your age! 08:31 jonh_wendell haha 08:31 sabdfl ah, your son :-) 08:31 sabdfl where would you say you make the biggest contribution to the project? 08:31 seb128 jonh_wendell is doing a rocking work on desktop bugs, on launchpad and also working with upstream 08:31 jonh_wendell sabdfl, translation and bug triage, i guess 08:31 sabdfl i see lots of bug work, which is really great 08:32 sabdfl where in brazil do you live? 08:32 jonh_wendell sabdfl, Macei - AL 08:32 jonh_wendell sabdfl, Water paradise, a lot of wonderful beaches 08:32 sabdfl do you have any specific suggestions about how we can help the brazilian community? 08:33 jonh_wendell sabdfl, almost everything is nice in ubuntu-br 08:33 sabdfl who would you describe as the strongest leaders of the ubuntu-br community? 08:33 elmo where are the usual ubuntu-br cheering contingent? 08:34 jonh_wendell sabdfl, maybe we need a change 08:34 jonh_wendell sabdfl, because there are some personal issues involved... 08:35 jonh_wendell sabdfl, but i can't tell much because i'm relative novice on ubuntu-br 08:35 sabdfl jonh_wendell: ok. you can encourage folks to talk those issues through in a forum or irc or mailing list, and raise any disputes to CC if needed. how long would you say you have been an active contributor? 08:36 jonh_wendell sabdfl, in Ubuntu, since July, 2006, when i finished my university 08:36 sabdfl jonh_wendell: +1 from me, mainly on bug triage and advocacy 08:37 jonh_wendell elmo, translation, documentation really makes difference on our community 08:37 sabdfl i must say i think the brazilian community is amazing 08:37 sabdfl i know there are some tensions 08:37 dholbach I'm very happy with jonh_wendell too! 08:37 sabdfl i'd like to see those resolved - but they don't seem to be slowing things down 08:37 jonh_wendell thanks, seb128, dholbach 08:38 sabdfl elmo? 08:38 elmo +1 08:38 sabdfl welcome aboard - jonh_wendell! 08:38 sabdfl LP updated 08:38 seb128 jonh_wendell: congrat! 08:38 elmo jderose: I think you're next 08:38 jonh_wendell thanks!!!! 08:38 elmo go 08:38 jderose Hello everyone! My name is Jason DeRose. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JasonGerardDerose https://launchpad.net/people/jderose 08:38 jderose After talking to seb128, I think I might have given more weight to my upstream work than I should have (as far as Ubuntu member candidacy is concerned), but I guess it doesn't hurt to try. ;) slomo might have had a chance to look at my KungFu package. A few people might remember me from DebConf in Brazil... 08:39 jderose I wrote KungFu, a Python-gtk-gstreamer based DVD ripper, which I have packaged for Ubuntu and hope to get included in Feisty. I'm working on implementing full DVD support under gstreamer0.10, which I might finish in time to be included in Feisty. My development work has generally been upstream, but I wish to use my upstream experience, particularly with GStreamer, to help improve Ubuntu where I can. And once I am less 08:40 elmo jderose: how long have you been contributing to ubuntu? 08:41 jderose my first packaging was about 10 months ago, fuplayer... 08:41 sabdfl how many packages have you worked on? 08:42 jderose the past 3 moths or so i've been a lot more active.... i've packaged two apps i've written, fuplayer and kungfu. 08:42 sabdfl jderose: what do you think of pulse audio? 08:42 sabdfl are you active on mailing lists, irc, or forums? 08:43 elmo oh, and who's been sponsoring your packages? 08:43 seb128 the few bugs I've read from jderose are good quality ones (testcases attached to the bugs and a gstreamer patch by example), he didn't work on a lot of bugs for now though 08:43 jderose i don't know a great deal about it yet, but is looks very interesting. there is heating discussion on gst-devel lately about audio server, mostly over how to address pro-audio issues. 08:43 jderose slomo is going to sponsor kungfu. 08:44 sabdfl jderose: i really like the quality of your contribution, but i think we normally look for a longer period of active participation 08:44 sabdfl would it be reasonable to say "keep going, come back in a month or two"? 08:44 jderose sabdfl: fair enough. i can apply again later if that is the consensus. 08:44 jderose sabdfl: sure. ;) 08:44 sabdfl it seems you do very crisp work, which is nice 08:44 sabdfl sorry about the LONG delay in getting to you :-) 08:45 sabdfl sitting through a full CC meeting should earn major karma points 08:45 jderose sabdlf: no worries, it was a learning experience. ;) how long should i wait before trying to apply again? 08:45 sabdfl jderose: chat with seb128 and dholbach 08:45 sabdfl who's next? 08:45 sabdfl tonyyarusso: go go go! 08:45 tonyyarusso Hello, I am Tony Yarusso. I've been most present on IRC, providing (and receiving) user support, as a member of the New User Network, Canadian Team, and most recently, IRC Team, among others. With the NUN I gave a class on GPG, and helped moderate for Open Week. I also dabble in documentation and marketing, and have begun looking into coordinating a translation, specifications, and helping out with the UWN. 08:45 sabdfl when they are happy, come again 08:45 tonyyarusso I also spend time on mailing lists and answering support queries in LP. More detailed information can be found on the Wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TonyYarusso) and LP (https://launchpad.net/people/tonyyarusso). 08:46 sabdfl how's the NUN going? 08:46 tonyyarusso A little of each. 08:46 apokryphos tonyyarusso is a VERY helpful user on IRC and a recent addition to our Operator team 08:46 keeb tonyyarusso: is a very cool guy, always there to help. 08:46 tonyyarusso When we have stuff, it's awesome. Although, sometimes we lack instructors for classes - the one I did was a pretty last minute fill in. 08:46 lophylap tonyyarusso is an awesome addition to the -ca loco team :) 08:47 keeb I have seen him work in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic, always very helpful, very knowledgeable, and very polite 08:47 PFA he is the only person who is actually patient enough to sort through my numerous and various computer woes === lophylap formally vouches for tonyyarusso 08:47 sabdfl tonyyarusso: are you often acting as an OP on IRC? 08:47 tonyyarusso For NUN stuff, I think it would be great if we could expand our base of instructors. A lot of the stuff we do is pretty basic, but people hear "teach" and aren't sure if they're qualified. 08:48 tonyyarusso sabdfl: Every day for the last what, week and a half now? 08:48 apokryphos he's been doing well :) 08:48 sabdfl tonyyarusso: how long have you been an active contributor? 08:49 tonyyarusso sabdfl: Well, I started giving answers that others had given me on IRC pretty much the same week I started. It was probably four months or so in (after aug 05) that the amount I could give back was reaching a critical mass 08:49 sabdfl ok, +1 from me for a sustained and significant contribution, mostly in user support 08:49 Burgwork tonyyarusso has been an active contributor to the the UWN and the Canadian Team 08:49 tonyyarusso Beyond IRC, other things started falling into place around this time - Feb last year. 08:50 nalioth tonyyarusso is an asset to the Ubuntu community 08:50 somerville32 +1 for tonyyarusso ! 08:50 PFA tonyyarusso is the king of canada 08:50 keeb lol 08:50 PFA srsly, he is mega awesome and all kinds of things. 08:50 elmo +1 from me too 08:51 apokryphos congrats, tonyyarusso 8) 08:51 keeb grats, tonyyarusso :) 08:51 PFA yay!! ^^ 08:51 theCore congrats, tonyyarusso 08:51 PriceChild well done 08:51 jenda congrats tony :) 08:51 tonyyarusso My long-term future project is looking at an Ojibwe translation, which I expect will be slow going, but super cool :) 08:51 tonyyarusso Thanks all! 08:51 jbailey Eh, cool. 08:52 jbailey (For those who don't know, Ojibwe is a fairly commonly spoken native language in Canada) 08:53 sabdfl ok 08:53 sabdfl wow 08:53 sabdfl two quick announcements from the CC, based on a call we had earlier 08:54 sabdfl we have all approved the idea of creating a new position of "CC Secretary" 08:54 sabdfl and we have invited Seveas to take that office as its founding title holder :-) 08:54 sabdfl Seveas makes a huge contribution to ubuntu 08:54 sabdfl especially to keeping the CC and other leading groups on track 08:54 sabdfl and we think that's a job that deserves specific recognition 08:55 sabdfl so, thank you seveas, and congratulations on the new position 08:55 sabdfl also, we discussed expanding the CC 08:55 ajmitch congratulations Seveas, if you're around still :) 08:55 sabdfl i will make some nominations later this month, after discussing them with the folks concerned 08:55 sabdfl ubuntumembers will have a series of votes to confirm those nominations or veto them 08:56 sabdfl we will have two types of nominations 08:56 sabdfl some will be straight up-or-down confirmation/veto votes 08:56 sabdfl others will be more like a race, with m candidates where we will accept the top n into the CC 08:56 sabdfl cjwatson is going to step down from the CC after an amazing two and a half years of leadership there 08:57 sabdfl he will stand for the TB next (ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-core-dev vote to confirm nominations to the TB) 08:57 sabdfl that's all from me 08:57 sabdfl closing comments, mako, elmo? 08:57 elmo not from me 08:57 sabdfl i think mako's stepped afk 08:57 PriceChild Thanks CC :) 08:57 sabdfl ok, THANK YOU everyone! 08:58 sabdfl yowser, we got through a lot 08:58 sabdfl in like 9 hours :-) 08:58 kalon33 thanks sabdfl
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