CC-2006-8-22

06:02   Kamion  ok, ready to start?
06:02   gnomefreak      NickGarvey: i dont think it started yet
06:02   ubuntu_demon    dholbach: I prefer my privacy. There's 140.000 users on the forums. Most are very nice but some aren't (I am in no personal issues or conflicts but I'm just a bit paranoid)
06:02   Kamion  this is a meeting for consideration of membership candidates only
06:02   Kamion  so that we can catch up a bit
06:02   simira  Kamion: what about the other cases?
06:02   Kamion  other cases?
06:03   elmo    issues
06:03   Kamion  either we'll do them at the end, or we'll defer them to next time
06:03   simira  ok
06:03   Kamion  depending on how time goes
06:03   Kamion  I get thrown out of this meeting room in two hours, AFAIK
06:03   simira  'nough chitchat, then
06:03   dholbach        ubuntu_demon: that's ok with me - i was just relaying :)
06:03   Kamion  #
06:03   Kamion  RolandoBlanco whitesoft
06:03   ubuntu_demon    dholbach: ;)
06:04   Kamion  oh, we should check for quorum ...
06:04   Kamion  mako: here?
06:04   Kamion  sabdfl won't be making it
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06:05   mako    yes
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06:05   mako    alright
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06:06   mako    membership candidates
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06:06   mako    rolando is not here it seems?
06:06   Kamion  apparently not
06:06   mako    Kirjanov Denis
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06:07   Seveas  (Matthew Revell is already approved)
06:07   mako    Seveas: yes :)
06:08   mako    also, for Kirjanov Denis's future reference
06:08   mako    the wiki page is a bit thin and the launchpad activity for the last month is not giving me a whole lot more evidence
06:08   mako    so i think there's still some documentation work left to go
06:08   Kamion  I agree
06:09   Kamion  also the "solved bugs" item is in fact a support ticket
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06:09   mako    alright, i'll find some way to note that or communicate it to Kirjanov after the meeting
06:09   Kamion  and the specification is just a few lines with no fleshing out in the form of a wiki page or anything
06:09   mako    alright.. moving on.. Carthik Sharma
06:10   carthik mako, Hi.
06:10   mako    carthik: go ahead
06:10   carthik Is it okay if I paste three lines by way of introduction?
06:10   carthik I (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarthikSharma ) have triaged around 950 bugs (http://launchpad.net/people/carthik ), filed around 60, and help with the ubuntu-qa and desktop-bugs teams
06:10   mako    carthik: please do
06:10   carthik I (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarthikSharma ) have triaged around 950 bugs (http://launchpad.net/people/carthik ), filed around 60, and help with the ubuntu-qa and desktop-bugs teams
06:10   carthik oops
06:10   DShepherd       the meeting has started?
06:10   carthik I write the Ubuntu Blog (http://ubuntu.wordpress.com ), and on the Fridge; and was the technical reviewer of Ubuntu Linux for Non Geeks, a No Starch Press publication.
=== gnomefreak is +1 for carthik (im kind of in and out)
06:10   carthik I designed the http://ubuntu-in.org site, and am the treasurer of the LUG at UCF (http://lugatucf.org ). I try to help others on IRC whenever I can.
06:10   Kamion  Matthew East asked me to say of carthik:
06:10   Kamion  I've also been really impressed since Carthik joined the Fridge team, he is already a key contributor and a major part of the team with plenty of ideas and articles too. His blog shows that he will be central to the new Fridge team.
06:10   Kamion  </end>
=== Seveas starts cheerleading for carthik -- malone loves sending me mail on his behalf
06:11   carthik Thanks Kamion
06:11   sfllaw  carthik has been an essential and wonderful part of the BugSquad.
06:11   Kamion  FWIW carthik has been very helpful on ubiquity bugs
06:11   mako    carthik: did you do tech for the whole book?
06:11   Kamion  +1 from me
06:11   carthik mako, yes
06:11   dholbach        carthik does incredible work for the BugSquad!
06:11   mako    carthik: stamina, cool! :)
06:12   gnomefreak      he is a very great help with bugs :)
06:12   jono    ntu :)
06:12   dholbach        https://launchpad.net/people/carthik/+karma say a lot :)
06:12   carthik I did get paid though, so that is not really "community work", mako :)
06:12   jono    oops
06:12   jono    :)
06:12   mako    jono: i was about to ask?
06:12   jono    heh
06:12   mako    carthik: still can be an important contribution worth considering
06:13   mako    anyway, loads of good stuff
06:13   seb128  carthik does a really good job on desktop bugs as well
06:13   mako    carthik: see you around for quite a while, thrilled to have you as a member :)
06:13   mako    carthik: where are you local to now
06:14   carthik Thank you, mako.
06:14   carthik Orlando, FL, mako
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06:14   mako    carthik: saw your timezone, thought you might be near me :)
06:14   jono    carthik, cool I am there in late sept :)
06:14   carthik If anyone wants to see mickey, I might have a couch available :)
06:15   DaSkreech       raphink: Some update (before the infamous Xbork) Borked my X
06:15   DaSkreech       I have no errors however X will not start
06:15   mako    i'm sure disneyworld is exactly why jono is going ;)
06:15   carthik jono, cool - we could do something related at UCF (univ of central florida) or just have fun. Let me know if you need local help/cheap tickets etc
06:15   elmo    +1 from me too
06:15   jono    mako, :P
06:15   jono    carthik, cool :)
06:15   Kamion  DaSkreech: please use another channel
06:15   mako    carthik: welcome!
06:15   profoX` DaSkreech: #ubuntu for support
06:15   mako    Andreas Lloyd
06:16   DaSkreech       Whoops ;)
06:16   dholbach        carthik: ROCK ON! :)
06:16   Seveas  carthik, gongratulations!
06:16   DaSkreech       Sorry finger slip
06:16   mako    lloydinho: ?
06:16   lloydinho       hi all!
06:16   Kamion  ... oh, that would be the person just there to my right
06:16   Kamion  hmm
06:16   lloydinho       :-)
06:16   Kamion  naturally I am morally obliged to say no ;-)
06:16   Spec    carthik: welcome
06:16   simira  Kamion: be nice.
06:16   Kamion  (kidding, obviously)
06:16   lloydinho       I've used Ubuntu since november 2004, it is the only Linux distribution I've used. Using Ubuntu inspired me to do my master's thesis on the Ubuntu community.
06:16   carthik Thanks mako, Kamion, elmo, seb128, dholbach, sfllaw, gnomefreak (woot!)
06:16   DaSkreech       apologies all
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06:16   gnomefreak      congrats carthik
06:17   lloydinho       I am an anthropology graduate student in my final year at the University of Copenhagen, and this project has led me to a lot of other initiatives in the Ubuntu community which can be seen on my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasLloyd
06:17   GnuKemist       congrats carthik
06:17   jono    carthik, /msg me if you can
06:17   lloydinho       oh, and congrats to carthik .. :-)
06:17   licio   carthik, welcome :)
06:17   raphink welcome carthik
06:17   seb128  carthik: congra
06:17   seb128  carthik: congrat
06:18   ubuntu_demon    lloydinho: Was very enthousiastic on UDS. I spoke to him about his fieldwork and survey. IMHO he is a nice contribution to the Ubuntu community.
06:18   mako    other testimonials?
06:18   mako    someone from the doc team maybe?
06:18   lloydinho       hey, thanks ubuntu_demon.
06:18   ubuntu_demon    lloydinho: np :)
06:19   lloydinho       I forgot to bring any cheerleaders.
06:19   Kamion  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu is a nice piece of work
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06:19   mako    i was JUST going to say that
06:19   mako    lloydinho: so, i assume you've seen or have worked from the participate page
06:19   mako    lloydinho: on the ubuntu website
06:20   nixternal       heh
06:20   mako    lloydinho: this seems like that page on steroids.. or perhaps what that should page should be
06:20   lloydinho       mako, I have. That was the inspiration for this ContributeDoc
06:20   mako    which begs the question.... :)
06:20   Kamion  access control on /participate is probably a mite too tight
06:20   mako    i point people to the participate page probably 5-10 times a week
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06:20   mako    but we should have that page point there
06:21   Kamion  (not that it can be different really due to how www. works)
06:21   nixternal       CC:  let me just quickly state that Lloyd is incredibly important to documentation right now, and mdke could definitely tell you more about that. Lloyd has created a lot of cool stuff for us, including the new contribute documentation...he is a great assett to the Ubuntu community w/o a doubt!
06:21   mako    or something
06:21   Kamion  a link seems pretty reasonable, perhaps if ContributeToUbuntu moved to help.u.c
06:21   lloydinho       wow. thanks nixternal .
06:21   mako    Kamion: right, that's what i'm thinking
06:21   nixternal       lets not forget /mystory either
06:21   Kamion  mm, what's the story on mystory?
06:21   Kamion  first I'd heard of that, wondering who's behind that address
06:21   mako    lloydinho: it might be nice to think about what we can do what the participate page
06:21   lloydinho       it's one of the marketing projects..
06:22   nixternal       plus he has his cool specs from the Paris Summit as well with anthro that was cool
06:22   mako    lloydinho: maybe it should get smaller with just links to various sections in the new page
06:22   lloydinho       mako, we have discussed various ways of doing the participate page.
06:22   mako    lloydinho: cool :)
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06:22   lloydinho       Working with Corey, I also redid the HelpingUbuntu wiki page
06:23   Kamion  anyway; +1 for contribute page, testimonial from docteam, and it seems like a good thing to bring anthropologists into the communities they're studying on general principles :)
06:23   mako    lloydinho: cool, i'd love to see something happen with it.. let me know and i'm happy to help you with www
06:23   lloydinho       We couldn't really decide whether it would be best to have a short or extended version.
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06:23   mako    i'm happy to have you on board and i'm thrilled that you haven't done the whole detached outsider thing
06:23   lloydinho       Kamion, :-)
06:23   lloydinho       mako, that would have been boring :-)
06:23   Kamion  HelpingUbuntu seems substantially duplicated from ContributeToUbuntu
06:23   elmo    ack
06:23   GnuKemist       congrats lloydinho
06:23   nixternal       sweet!!!   CONGRATULATIONS!!!   lloydinho ;)
06:24   mako    of course, you find that making meaningful contributions makes it alot easier to have the community open up to you :)
06:24   carthik congrats lloydinho
06:24   lloydinho       mako, that's what I've found, certainly.
06:24   Kamion  although it wasn't lloydinho's, I like the idea of EasyWaysToHelpUbuntu
06:24   Seveas  lloydinho, word!
06:24   AndreNoel       congrats lloydinho
06:24   lloydinho       thanks all!
06:24   Kamion  oh, who's driving launchpad today?
06:24   ubuntu_demon    Congrats lloydinho
06:24   mako    moving on.. Vidya Ayer
06:24   Kamion  oh yeah, mdke sent a testimonial for lloydinho too
06:24   svaksha Hi All
06:24   AlexRocha       lloydinho Congrats! :D
06:24   svaksha I am Vidya Ayer from India. My wiki page is, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Svaksha
06:25   Kamion  for the record:
06:25   Kamion  "Has contributed extremely well to the documentation team with ideas and also quite a lot of action. Again he is great to work with because of a really positive and constructive attitude. I've also seen him contribute positively to the marketing team, again providing concrete and constructive contributions."
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06:25   elmo    I'll do launchpad
06:25   gnomefreak      Kamion: i dont think LP has updated in the past few days (not sure if its everything on LP)
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06:25   Kamion  mdke says of svaksha:
06:25   CypherBIOS      lloydinho: congrats... and thanks for your great work on documentation
06:25   Kamion  "very good to work with, have come across her contributions to ubuntu-women and translation. She has recently joined the fridge team and will be an asset for us."
06:25   Kamion  gnomefreak: I mean membership approvals
06:25   gnomefreak      oh
06:25   mako    svaksha: go ahead
06:25   svaksha Currently admin 2 lists at Linuxchix, co-wrote a Sanskrit locale with Christian Perrier (Debian) and editor at DMOZ. Having used all releases since Warty, I lurked awhile in Q1'05 and later joined the Bugsquad [https://launchpad.net/people/svaksha/+karma] , Ubuntu-Women, Marketing, Fridge, and translation teams.
06:25   svaksha Ubuntu-Women is doing well with many women (and men) contributing in the community, upstream and relevant Foss arenas. Have contributed articles to Fridge nd UWN. Plan to keep the Fridge cool and well stocked with community news, events, advocacy, articles, and other sound bytes flowing in, and think it would also be advantageous to synchronise news with grass-roots marketing in the Ubuntu community.
06:26   svaksha Time-permitting, hope to pitch in with tasks useful to the Motu's - packaging, testing, other technical details about Ubuntu, its relation with Debian and how they work in tandem. Have never missed an opportunity to advocate and spread the Ubuntu cheer (CD's), Ubuntu books, and my Ubuntu converts' list is aplenty with most folks giving positive feedback (almost always :-)) during follow-ups.  /End.
06:26   jono    right, I have a meeting about the joys of CRM, later all
06:26   svaksha thanks mdke
06:26   Kamion  svaksha's wiki page looks pretty solid to me, but I need to nip out for a moment before chasing up references; BRB
06:27   simira  lloydinho: congrats
06:27   elmo    lloydinho: you don't appear to be trying to be in ubuntu-members in launchpad?
06:28   nixternal       heh, must have been caught up in the Ubuntu excitement ;)
06:29   mako    svaksha: what is your current involvement with the IN loco?
06:30   svaksha not involved currently
06:30   mako    is there a particular reason?
06:30   svaksha currently , time constraints
06:30   lloydinho       elmo, I just added myself this moment
06:30   mako    i'm just kind of curious because it sounds like you had a hand setting it up
06:31   Kamion  back
06:31   mako    lloydinho: approved
06:31   svaksha yes, but its being run equally well by others
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06:31   mako    that's a good reason :)
06:32   licio   :)
06:33   elmo    ack for svaksha from me
06:33   mako    alright, i'm happy with svaksha as well
06:33   svaksha thanks mako, elmo
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=== nixternal pokes svaksha, tell them about the fridge ;)
06:34   Kamion  yup, been following up references, and +1 from me - looks pretty impressive
06:34   mako    is Alberto Milone around?
06:34   tseliot here I am
06:34   svaksha i did nixternal
06:34   carthik congrats svaksha
06:34   tseliot can I begin?
06:34   mako    tseliot: ah, you're alberto milone
06:34   AndreNoel       congrats svaksha
06:34   mako    tseliot: yes, go ahead
06:34   GnuKemist       congrats svaksha
06:34   svaksha thanks all
06:34   tseliot My name is Alberto Milone and here is my profile on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/people/albertomilone
06:34   tseliot My profile on the Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tseliot
06:34   tseliot My Experience and Involvement with Ubuntu
06:34   tseliot I have used Ubuntu since April 2005 when I tried it, loved it, left Windows and never looked back. One of the reasons for which I like Ubuntu is its forum, where I learnt most of the things that I know (thanks to all the people who were so kind to help me). I decided to pay back all the people who helped me by helping new (unexperienced) users, which all my guides
06:35   tseliot are thought for. As a matter of fact I try explaining as many things as possible when I write my guides so that anyone can follow them, even when dealing with topics such as the recompilation of the kernel.
06:35   tseliot Then I joined the Archival team on ubuntuforums.org and therefore worked on the documentation on the UDSF.
06:35   tseliot I have recently become a Moderator on the Ubuntu Forums (ubuntuforums.org)
06:35   tseliot Here is my profile on ubuntuforums.org:
06:35   tseliot http://www.ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=19388
06:35   tseliot I am particularly interested in writing guides and providing support for the installation of Nvidia's proprietary drivers and for the resolution of problems with the Xserver in general (but not only).
06:35   mako    svaksha: did you try to joint he members team?
06:35   tseliot A partial list of the guides I wrote can be found here:
06:35   tseliot http://www.albertomilone.eu/europeo/guides.html
06:35   tseliot OR in my profile on the Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tseliot
06:36   ubuntu_demon    tseliot has been very valuable to the forum staff. He's also helping a lot of people with video issues.
06:36   tseliot My Projects:
06:36   tseliot 1) My Envy script
06:36   tseliot Users very often need the latest Nvidia driver (which is usually available as an installer and not as a deb package). Being aware of all the lenght (and difficulty) of the procedures which installing the Nvidia driver from the installer implies I decided to make the process a bit easier for beginners (in addition to my guide about it).
06:36   svaksha mako: no , will apply tomorrow
06:36   tseliot I started a new project, which I named Envy (the Italian for Envy is "invidia"). It is a script (written in Python and packaged as a .deb file) which automates the installation of the latest Nvidia proprietary driver on Ubuntu (both Breezy and Dapper are supported). It installs all the packages needed to compile the driver and removes the restricted modules. It also offers the possibility to automatically configure the Xserve
06:36   tseliot You can find it on my homepage:
06:36   tseliot http://www.albertomilone.eu/europeo/nvidia_scripts1.html
06:36   tseliot and on launchpad:
06:36   tseliot https://launchpad.net/projects/envy
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06:36   tseliot 2) Promoting Edubuntu at the University of Lecce (Italy)
06:36   tseliot Another project of mine is that of promoting Edubuntu at the University of Lecce. According to my plans part of my thesis (for my 2nd level degree) will be about Edubuntu and the study (and teaching) of foreign languages.
06:36   tseliot My Suggestions for improving Ubuntu:
06:36   tseliot I have proposed the following spec for Edgy Eft:
06:36   tseliot On Launchpad:
06:36   tseliot https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/xserver-failover
06:36   tseliot A detailed explanation on the Wiki:
06:36   tseliot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XserverFailover
06:36   tseliot I have also asked the opinion of the members of Ubuntuforums.org:
06:36   tseliot http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201128
06:37   matthew5        and he was incredibly helpful today with confused users trying to figure out what happened when they updated X and it broke...tseliot posted a great and simple way to downgrade until the fix began populating te repos
06:37   mako    tseliot: alright, that's a bit more than a three line introduction
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06:37   mako    :)
06:37   matthew5        on the forums
06:37   GnuKemist       svaksha sorry to hear that... congrats and get some rest ;)
06:37   tseliot Sorry mako
06:37   tseliot it's my character
06:37   tseliot ;)
06:37   Kamion  tseliot: from the sound of things, envy will break on any system upgrade, if it relies on having the restricted modules removed
06:37   ubuntu_demon    +1 for tseliot
06:38   svaksha :)
06:38   tseliot Kamion: yes
06:38   Kamion  we are normally happy to incorporate new versions of the nvidia module into dapper-updates if asked
06:38   Kamion  infinity is the contact person for that
06:38   tseliot really?
06:38   tseliot I would be glad to help
06:38   tseliot I didn't know that drivers could be updated
06:39   tseliot where can I find infinity?
06:39   tseliot on launchpad?
06:39   Kamion  it depends on the changes, but if they're targeted bug fixes, then it's possible
06:39   Kamion  adconrad on launchpad, infinity ere on IRC
06:39   Kamion  here
06:39   tseliot well, the new drivers add the support for new cards
06:39   Seveas  tseliot, we should join forces -- I do a similar thing for ati
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06:40   tseliot sure
06:40   frodon  i confirm that tseliot is one the great support provider on ubuntuforums, he helps a lot of users each day and contributes to the UDSF project
06:40   tseliot I was thinking of plugging in an ATI card too tonight
06:40   frodon  he's one of the great guys of the forum
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06:40   tseliot I'm really interested in this project
06:41   Kamion  talk to rodarvus about the xserver-failover stuff
06:41   mako    tseliot: there are other ways of providing updated drivers in packages that will allow for upgrades
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06:41   Kamion  we already offer the safe-mode thing in gfxboot for the live CD, but it's not ideal
06:41   rodarvus        I just noticed the spec and subscribed to it
06:41   tseliot mako:I didn't know that
06:41   rodarvus        tseliot, Kamion: thanks
06:41   Kamion  having X do it itself would be better - we didn't have time before dapper though
06:41   tseliot Kamion: but the failover should work on the installed ubuntu as well
06:42   Kamion  tseliot: indeed - as I say doing it in the bootloader is obviously not ideal
06:42   ubuntu_demon    tseliot helps lots of users on the forums and he's really valuable to the forum staff. So +1 ;)
06:42   mako    tseliot: even if folks have to build their own drivers, they can build them as package
06:42   tseliot mako: this is true for ati drivers
06:43   tseliot mako: is it true for the nvidia driver as well?
06:43   tseliot and without recompiling all the restricted modules?
06:43   Seveas  (maybe we're diverging a bit too far from the purpose of this meeting...)
06:44   tseliot and without removing nvidia kernel common which would cause a driver mismatch?
06:44   mako    tseliot: yes, we, or others, can talk afterward
06:44   tseliot Sorry Seveas
06:44   tseliot Ok
06:44   mako    tseliot: basically, while i suspect that there are better ways of doing some of those particular things
06:45   mako    i'm happy to approve you just on support and forums activity alone
06:45   tseliot Thanks :-D
06:45   ubuntu_demon    mako : great
06:45   mako    i think i've seen you post in basically every thread i've ever gone to in the forums :)
06:45   elmo    yeah, ack
06:45   tseliot mako: LOL
06:45   GnuKemist       congrats tseliot
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06:46   Kamion  with regard to the kernel compilation guide, /usr/src/linux is explicitly disrecommended by Linus these days - I'd suggest just using the user's home directory
06:46   tseliot thanks
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06:46   AndreNoel       congrats tseliot
06:46   tseliot Kamion: I know we should use fakeroot
06:46   tseliot I'll change that
06:46   tseliot AndreNoel: thanks
06:46   Kamion  anyway, yeah, I'm with mako on this - I do think you should be more forthright about contacting developers with problems rather than working around them sometimes, but what you've done seems pretty good
06:46   Kamion  so I'm happy for membership
06:47   elmo    excuse me, I have to go and be human pack horse, brb
06:47   Kamion  well, as well as working around them, depending :)
06:47   tseliot Kamion: I'd be glad to work with them
06:47   frodon  congrats tseliot
06:47   tseliot instead of working around them
06:47   tseliot frodon: thanks :-)
06:47   matthew5        congrats, tseliot
06:47   ubuntu_demon    tseliot: congrats :)
06:47   tseliot matthew5: thanks and good luck
06:48   mako    tseliot: yeah, the general takeaway is that you should probably contact the maintainer responsible for every issue you've written scripts to work around because in some situations you'll find that there's an easier solution and in others you'll find that it's a bug or something that can be fixed in the package itself :)
06:48   tseliot ubuntu_demon: thanks.
06:48   tseliot mako: ok, I'll do that
06:48   mako    AndreNoel: you are up
06:48   tseliot I just didn't dare bothering them
06:48   AndreNoel       alright
06:48   AndreNoel       My name is Andre Noel, born and living in Brazil. Graduated from Maringa State University in Computer Science in 2005. Married since 2005.
06:48   AndreNoel       Been involved with Open Source since 2002, and more especifically with the Brazilian community since May 2006, thanks to incentive from OgMaciel. Started as a translator for the Brazilian Team and recently being appointed as one of the administrators of the team.
06:49   AndreNoel       I'm one of the administrators of Ubuntu Brazilian Portuguese Translators Team and I wanna help this team to grow in quantity an quality. To help in the use (and reuse) of rosetta, and in news improvements to it.
06:49   Kamion  tseliot: we normally don't mind :-)
06:49   mako    tseliot: the same people will get bug reports when upgrades fail :)
06:49   tseliot ok, got it ;)
06:49   mako    tseliot: easier to deal with the issue up front :)
06:50   mako    AndreNoel: why AndreNoel3?
06:50   AndreNoel       i don't know
06:50   AndreNoel       it was auto
06:50   AndreNoel       it's my login on wiki
06:51   Kamion  the auto-import-everybody-we've-heard-of thing did that sometimes
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06:51   CypherBIOS      mako: it's the default sugestion of Launchpad for existent wiki
06:51   CypherBIOS      I wold like say some words about AndreNoel;
06:52   CypherBIOS      may I?
06:52   CypherBIOS      He is a active member of Brazilian Community, one of majoritaries translators that is working very hard to make the Ubuntu 100% tranlated for Brazilian Portuguese, and making a excelent job.
06:53   AndreNoel       tks CypherBIOS!
06:53   CypherBIOS      Also, he works in the Brazilian Wiki <http://wiki.ubuntubrasil.org>, making some usefull pages and Faqs, with the Brazilian Documentation Team.
06:53   GnuKemist       mako elmo Kamion AndreNoel has become a very important part for the administration of the brazilian team as well as the community as a whole.  He is genuinely interested in bringing Ubuntu to the brazilian masses with a 100% translated system and has become extremelly active advocating Linux in his community.  I completely stand behind his candidacy.
06:54   AndreNoel       tks GnuKemist
06:54   CypherBIOS      Your work (AndreNoel) extends to the mailling lists, where he help and guide much users and new translators
06:54   GnuKemist       AndreNoel you deserve it my friend
06:55   AlexRocha       I agree with what CypherBIOS and GnuKemist said
06:55   sfair   as a member of Brasiliam Documentation Team +1 for opinions about AndreNoel
06:56   mako    ok.. lots of translations
06:56   AndreNoel       tks AlexRocha and sfair
06:56   mako    i'm happy with membership based on translations testimonials
06:56   CypherBIOS      AndreNoel: somebody forgot something? AndreNoel is a autor of Brazilian Ubuntu Planet
06:56   AndreNoel       hehe
06:56   GnuKemist       ;)
06:56   AndreNoel       recently listed on topcontributors
06:57   AndreNoel       https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+topcontributors
06:57   GnuKemist       mako he goes beyond just performing translations, but also spends a lot of his time sharing his knowledge with volunteers
06:57   CypherBIOS      yep, one of Top Contribuitors in Launchpad too
06:57   mako    alright: Kamion, elmo ?
06:58   Kamion  seems to be well above the level we normally require from translators
06:58   Kamion  so +1 from me
06:58   AndreNoel       :)
06:58   Kamion  (and obviously coordination types are always welcome)
06:58   Kamion  thanks for your attested work there
06:58   AndreNoel       thank you
06:58   GnuKemist       Kamion and he is really good at coordinating
06:59   bit_doidao      mako and all, i confirm the good job of AndreNoel :)
06:59   AndreNoel       tks bit
06:59   mako    #
06:59   mako    LorenzoVillani Arbiter
06:59   mako    you're up
06:59   Arbiter it's me
06:59   Arbiter Hi i'm Lorenzo Villani and I use ubuntu since version 5.04.
06:59   Arbiter After trying Ubuntu I immediately loved it. Awesome community, awesome technical choices and clear development-model.
06:59   Arbiter I'm now helping by doing some packaging stuff, translation work and I help new users to get into the Ubuntu (and Linux) world.
06:59   Arbiter I'm also spreading the work about Ubuntu (and Linux in general) here in Florence.
06:59   Arbiter Packages i've made: colorscheme, agave, kdocker - working: libgimp-cil, debian-servicemenu, attach-to-email-servicemenu
06:59   Arbiter Translation work is listed at: https://launchpad.net/people/arbiter/+translations
06:59   Arbiter My future plans are to become firstly an Ubuntu Member (that's why I'm here ;-) ), then a MOTU and (why not?) a Core-Dev :)
06:59   Arbiter ...and improve kubuntu and make the PackageCandidates list shorter and become part of the Italian LoCo Team (currently waiting for approvation) :)
07:00   mako    Arbiter: how long have you been working on packages?
07:00   GnuKemist       mako, what is the outcome for AndreNoel?
07:01   Seveas  GnuKemist, elmo isn't back yet so still 'pending'
07:01   GnuKemist       Seveas gotcha
07:01   Arbiter two months as far as i remember
07:01   mako    GnuKemist: waiting for elmo?
07:01   elmo    sorry
07:01   mako    Arbiter: that's the bare minimum of what i'd like to see for demonstration of a sustained contribution
07:02   mako    Arbiter: for membership of course
07:02   elmo    ack from me for AndreNoel
07:02   GnuKemist       AndreNoel congrats!!!
07:02   Arbiter mako: my translation work is more than my packaging work
07:02   AndreNoel       tks elmo
07:02   Gloubiboulga    Arbiter has done a good job on packages, and I really appreciate the fact that he wants to reduce the PackageCandidates page :)
07:02   mako    right
07:02   AlexRocha       AndreNoel Congrats! :D
07:02   AndreNoel       tks friends
07:02   tseliot Congrats
07:02   Arbiter i've started making packages a short time ago...
07:02   CypherBIOS      AndreNoel: congrats my friend!
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07:03   bit_doidao      AndreNoel, very well! congrats!
07:04   Riddell Arbiter: what plans do you have to improve kubuntu?
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07:04   bit_doidao      CypherBIOS, good work on AptOnCd! im just leraning python with it :)
07:04   Arbiter Riddell: at first: there are a lots of packages in Kubuntu Candidates
07:04   Arbiter (for universe)
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07:05   Arbiter i want to make them and get them into universe as soon as possible
07:05   mako    i'm not sure my personal threshold has been reached by the information linked to from the wiki alone
07:05   mako    are there testimonials here for Arbiter
07:05   Riddell Arbiter: cool, give us a ping on #kubuntu-devel if there's stuff to be reviewed
07:05   Arbiter my plan is to become a kubuntu-member too
07:06   mako    Arbiter: membership doesn't need to proceed major contributions
07:06   mako    Arbiter: and in fact, shouldn't
07:06   mako    it's the other way around
07:07   mako    Arbiter: unless there are people we know here who will give testimonials, i think we should pass this week
07:07   Arbiter Gloubiboulga?
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07:08   mako    Kamion: :)
=== bit_doidao is preparing some works and tutorials for candidate for membership. on the right time. :)
07:08   Kamion  I guess one of your links just became out of date ;)
07:08   Arbiter Kamion: heh :D
07:09   mako    Arbiter: want to wait until for hte next meeting or so? we've go to wrap up
07:09   Gloubiboulga    Arbiter, yep, I wrote a few words already :)
07:09   mako    i set this as a 1h meeting :)
07:09   Arbiter mako: Gloubiboulga is my only testimonial
07:09   mako    which is now into its 68th meetiinute :)
07:09   Arbiter Hobbsee has gone to bed... so...
07:09   Kamion  I don't really have a strong opinion - I think Arbiter's making pretty good progress
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07:10   mako    in fairness to others, i'd really like to see a couple testimonials from people who have worked with him, reviewed packages
07:11   Gloubiboulga    mako, I did
07:11   mako    Gloubiboulga: are you the only one?
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07:11   Gloubiboulga    mako, the only one present here I guess
07:11   Arbiter others were bddebian and sistpoty iirc
07:11   Arbiter plus Hobbsee
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07:12   mako    Gloubiboulga: i'm not ignoring you, i appreciate your comments :)
07:13   mako    Arbiter: even emailed testimonials would be good
07:13   Gloubiboulga    mako, his work on packages was really good, and het get 3 packages uploaded quite quickly
07:13   simira  bddebian is online and active
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07:14   Gloubiboulga    hello bddebian :)
07:14   Arbiter :)
07:14   bddebian        Howdy folks
07:16   mako    bddebian: hi, we're talking about Arbiter's application for membership
07:16   mako    i'd really like to touch on the other candidates
07:16   mako    i am already 15 minutes for another appointment and want to give everyone a chance
07:17   mako    can we move on for a second?
07:17   mako    matthew5: can you go quickly?
07:17   Arbiter no problem for me
07:17   matthew5        I'll try
07:17   matthew5        Here's a short bil
07:17   matthew5        bio
07:17   bddebian        Well he has been active on REVU
07:17   mako    Arbiter: cool, thanks for being patient
07:17   matthew5        I am a writer by trade, currently working on a self-funded research project in Morocco looking at Moroccan Arabic humor and how it reveals culture. I have a degree from the University of Arizona in Education and Social Sciences and have never worked in a tech-related field. I have been a teacher, a language school administrator, and done a ton of other stuff as well. I'm 36, married with 3 kids. My Ubuntu experien
07:17   matthew5        ce began in April 2005 when I bought a linux magazine with a Hoary cd in it. I set up a dual boot with WinXP and found myself using Ubuntu about 95% of the time within a couple of weeks.
07:17   matthew5        I had lots of questions at the beginning and got help for all of them in the Ubuntu Forums. As time passed I noticed others asking similar questions or questions about things I had just figured out so I started answering them as a way to give back to the community. I was asked to be a part of the forum staff, and while I was honored I turned down the offer the first time as I didn't feel like I had learned enough
07:17   matthew5        to be really helpful. Time passed and I continued to try to help when and where I could feeling like I had received so much at no cost to myself I should give something back. I was asked again to join the staff and was convinced. That was in March 2006. The rest is in my wiki and launchpad pages.
07:18   matthew5        sorry, more than 3 lines...
07:18   tseliot Matthew is a very active member and a very diplomatic moderator of ubuntuforums.org. He manages to keep the tension low and avoid flamewars (a great gift indeed). He is a real peace maker ;)
07:19   matthew5        https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Matthew5
07:19   ubuntu_demon    matthew5: has been really valuable to the forum staff. He also helps a lot of users on the forums. +1
07:19   matthew5        https://launchpad.net/people/matthelmke
07:19   Kamion  matthew5: in dapper you shouldn't need vga=771 any more, we hope
07:19   mako    any other testimonials for matthew5?
07:19   matthew5        I don't. I should update that
07:19   Kamion  (since we changed the default console resolution)
07:20   matthew5        I did for hoary and breezy, thoug
07:20   matthew5        though
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07:20   tseliot frodon?
07:20   Kamion  so the non-forums contributions are a bit light, but being invited to join staff clearly indicates you were being useful on the forums :)
07:21   matthew5        I freely admit the non-forums contribs are few
07:21   matthew5        I hope I've been a bit helpful on the forums, though
07:21   matthew5        I try
07:21   tseliot Kamion: he is an invaluable help on the forum
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07:22   ubuntu_demon    I agree with tseliot
07:22   Kamion  matthew5: yep, not a criticism, just a comment
07:22   matthew5        Kamion, that's how I took it :)
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07:23   mako    the forums contributions are impressive
07:23   mako    you've got my support for membershi
07:23   matthew5        thank you
07:23   elmo    yeah, ack
07:23   ubuntu_demon    I gotta go
07:23   ubuntu_demon    sorry guys
07:24   matthew5        elmo, thanks
07:24   mako    alright then :)
07:24   tseliot ubuntu_demon: bye
07:24   bddebian        mako: +1 for Arbiter from me.  He has several packages sitting on review.  I unfortunately have only had a chance to review a couple so far as we are behind on reviewing but seem to be well done.
07:25   mako    NealBussett ?
07:25   Kamion  +1 for matthew5, after following up on forums contributions
07:25   matthew5        Kamion, thank you
07:25   mako    alright
07:25   mako    Ahmad Muammar ''y3dips''?
07:27   mako    alright then
07:27   mako    that's the list
07:27   mako    thanks folks for showing up..
07:27   mako    Arbiter: still around?
07:27   Arbiter yeah
07:27   Arbiter reading
07:27   Arbiter :)
07:28   Arbiter thanks bddebian && Gloubiboulga :)
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07:29   mako    Arbiter: personally, i'd feel better if we waited until the next meeting..
07:29   Arbiter no problem :)
07:29   mako    Arbiter: you've done lots of good work though, and i don't feel too strongly
07:30   mako    Arbiter: so if there's a rush, we can do it now
07:30   mako    Arbiter: cool then, lets put you first for the next meeting :)
07:30   mako    Arbiter: and see if we can scare up a couple more testimonials
07:30   Arbiter heh :D
07:30   mako    Arbiter: cool, see you next time :)
07:30   mako    elmo, Kamion: and you two as well
07:31   Seveas  mako, when will 'next time' be?
07:31   Arbiter see you too mako :)
07:31   mako    two weeks from today?
07:31   elmo    two weeks from today - time to be determined
07:31   Seveas  can I suggest doing it a bit early
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07:31   mako    earlier in the day?
07:31   Seveas  yes
07:31   mako    that's fine.. but if we go too much ealier, i won't be able to make it
07:31   mako    like more than 4-5h
07:31   Seveas  the past few meetings have been unfair to nz/au
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07:31   mako    we can also go much later
07:31   elmo    sabdfl won't be around
07:32   elmo    so it'll need to be us 3 again
07:32   Arbiter can the CC be at the same hour of this one? :)
07:32   mako    if sabdfl doesn't konw he can be there, we should plan it so that i can be there
07:32   elmo    but anytime (up until about 1am UTC is fine by me)
07:32   gnomefreak      what about 1800 utc?
07:32   elmo    (and from about 5am UTC)
07:32   Seveas  @now melbourne
07:32   Ubugtu  Current time in Australia/Melbourne: August 23 2006, 03:32:53 - Current meeting: Community Council
07:32   mako    Arbiter: we could even do 20UTC
07:32   mako    or 21UTC
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07:33   Kamion  ditto elmo although I'd find 5am UTC pretty unpleasant
07:33   Seveas  late utc would be early AU, might work as well
07:33   Kamion  1am is fine as long as it doesn't go on too long
07:33   mako    ok. lets do 21UTC then
07:33   gnomefreak      im trying to think when the kubuntu meetings are i know they are right around 4pm est
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07:33   mako    or even 22UTC
07:33   Seveas  22UTC would be 8am
07:33   Seveas  might be better than 21 ;)
07:33   mako    that sounds reasonable
07:34   Kamion  ok
07:34   mako    ok, 22UTC two weeks from today
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07:34   mako    Seveas: going to remove approved candidates?
07:34   gnomefreak      the 5th at 22utc?
07:34   Seveas  move to 'approved' ;)
07:34   elmo    oh, talking of candidates
07:34   Riddell gnomefreak: 21UTC usually
07:34   elmo    we should probably trim the LP list
07:35   elmo    and just remove anyone who's been on there > 2 months
07:35   elmo    does that sound reasonable?
07:35   Seveas  it does to me
07:35   gnomefreak      Riddell: yeah and hobbsee complains its too early ;) lol
07:35   Kamion  yes
07:35   Kamion  they can always reapply
07:36   elmo    ok
07:37   Arbiter mako: i don't need to paste my intro next time, right? :D
07:38   gnomefreak      why not get the people to back you by emailing one of the CC
07:39   Kamion  I'd prefer that just be a fallback option in case people can't make it to the meeting - it gets hard to track otherwise
07:39   Kamion  though I don't mind it if people can't make it
07:40   mako    gnomefreak: they can email community-council
07:40   mako    then it goes to everyone

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