DapperDev_2005-11-17
09:00 mdz good morning
09:00 mdz let's get started
09:00 mdz is everyone here?
09:00 JaneW hi all
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09:00 Keybuk _o/
09:00 JaneW ok I have opened a spreadsheet to tabulate all the comments
=== pitti waves
09:01 Kamion morning
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09:01 seb128 hi
09:01 dholbach good morning
09:01 mdz mvo,doko,infinity,Riddell,Mithrandir,Diziet,BenC,ogra: ping
09:02 infinity pong
09:02 JaneW mdz: daniels said he'll be here but a little late
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09:02 mdz JaneW: * daniels_mobile (n=mobil_63@midgaard.ntnu.nu) has
joined #ubuntu-meeting
09:02 dholbach will ring mvo
09:02 JaneW oh there he is...
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09:03 mdz Kamion: would you chase Ian?
09:03 slomo_ hi everybody
09:04 JaneW where's ogra?
09:04 dholbach i will phone him
09:04 doko_ pong
09:04 dholbach mvo will be here in some seconds
09:04 Riddell hi
09:04 mdz these meetings are going to be strictly time-limited so it
is important that everyone be here on time
09:05 JaneW mdz: I see desrt has a high priority goal, are we going to
'make' him attend too?
09:05 Keybuk [4]https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specs
09:05 Keybuk ^ that's the "goal list", right?
09:05 mdz Keybuk: I wish it were
09:05 JaneW this view is easier to scan through...
[5]https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable#
09:05 mdz I started creating it there, but then discovered that any
random launchpad user could add things to it
09:06 JaneW mdz: shall we use a dreaded wiki table?
09:06 JaneW mdz: or wait for your bug to be fixed
09:06 Kamion mdz: will try
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09:06 mdz JaneW: I don't think we can wait for further spec tracker
fixes
09:06 dholbach ogra's on his way too
09:06 mdz JaneW: I'll create a wiki page for now
09:07 pitti mdz: also, it is missing some specs, like
hide-admin-tools-to-users
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09:07 mdz pitti: hence "started"
09:07 JaneW mdz: ok, I can check it against launchpad to see if it
changes much
09:07 Kamion no reply from Ian's phone
09:07 infinity pitti : Stuff needs to be assigned a target release to show
up in the table...
09:07 fabbione same for Mithrandir
09:08 ogra moin
09:08 pitti infinity: I see
09:08 mdz fabbione: same = no reply?
09:09 fabbione yeps
09:09 fabbione probably he is on the way to the office
09:09 fabbione and he doesn't hear the phone
09:10 JaneW while the phone stuff is happening
09:10 mdz ok, we can't wait longer
09:10 mdz JaneW: please make a note to follow up with ian, tollef and
ben
09:10 JaneW what I need, is the list of goals with assignees, and then
also the estimated developer days for each goal
yes, over the next week you need to review your assigned
09:11 mdz specs and try to estimate the amount of time that each will
take
09:11 mdz of course these will be rough (sometimes very rough)
estimates, and that is OK
there is a field for this in the spec header now. Also we
09:11 JaneW need all known dependencies included. Please could you all
fill this in, so I can attempt to make a gantt chart from
them.
09:11 mdz but it is important that we have some idea of small vs.
medium vs. large
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09:12 fabbione hmmm there are none of my assigned specs in the +spectable#
09:12 JaneW the time estimates can be amended later if you gauged it
wrong the first time, it's just to help to plan better.
09:12 mdz this is your chance to ensure that your workload is
achievable within the release timeframe
so those of you who felt that your breezy goals were too
09:13 mdz much for the time allotted, this is how you can avoid the
same fate for dapper
09:13 mdz so get those estimates in before the next meeting
09:13 fabbione mdz: i suggest that we extend this into the specs
09:13 mdz fabbione: what do you mean?
09:14 fabbione to most of the drafter i did ask to add estimte
implementation time directly when writing the specs
09:14 fabbione exactly to have it handy from the beginning
09:14 daniels mdz: daniels_mobile's battery died
09:14 mdz if it's in the text of the spec, it should be propagated to
launchpad
09:14 pitti ack
09:15 mdz a note about the format of these meetings
I found last time that having to read dozen's of specs to
09:15 JaneW distil the updates was impossible, which is why we need the
salient info easily available
the idea is to have a chance for everyone to very briefly
09:15 mdz say what they have completed in the past week, will work on
in the next week, and where they are blocked
09:16 mdz to give us a chance to quickly resolve any blockages where
we can, and arrange for further discussion where necessary
mdz: i did write something already. If you want i can paste
09:16 fabbione and we can start from it to see how to adapt it for this
meeting
09:16 mdz they will last no more than one hour
09:16 mdz so we will not have a lot of discussion
if there is a topic which needs real discussion, we'll
09:16 mdz schedule a followup meeting with only the people who need
to be there
09:16 JaneW I will attemot to publish a summary table of the info
afterwards
since these meetings invariably involve odd hours for some
09:16 mdz people, we won't hold up the entire group for discussions
which aren't relevant to everyone
09:17 mdz fabbione: I think the easiest thing would be to agree on a
standard format so that we can paste
09:17 mdz as is done in the launchpad meetings
09:17 mdz however, we did not do this in advance this time, of course
09:17 Kamion my notes have <launchpad-spec-name>: summary-of-progress
09:18 Kamion er, minus angle brackets
09:18 pitti I did it like this: specname\nProgres: ... \n Blocks: \n
Plan: \n Time estimate
09:18 Kamion and misc: for other stuff
09:18 mdz Kamion: that's reasonable
09:18 fabbione same here
09:18 mdz pitti: we should keep the number of lines per person small
09:18 JaneW pitti: sounds great :))
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09:18 JaneW heh
09:18 mdz Kamion: would you start?
09:19 Kamion ubuntu-express-*, ue-*: Not started; will start next week
once Flight CD 1 is done.
cd-build-process: jigdo improvements done, yielding the
vast bulk of the wins here; elmo reckons parallelisation
09:19 Kamion will be a loss with little's current hardware ("I/O
bandwidth of a straw"); single-architecture rebuilds not
started, but not blocked.
cd-bootloader: syslinux 3 merge partly done, but blocked on
09:19 Kamion finishing Flight CD 1 for general sanity reasons. gfxboot
work blocked on that. CD timeout work not started.
misc: insane pile of merges, lots of uninstallable-fixing,
seed reorganisation, etc. Assuming I get Flight CD 1 done
09:19 Kamion this week, I intend to spend next week on (a) the big
apt-setup merge from Debian (fixing lots of bugs) and (b)
Ubuntu Express.
09:19 mdz great, that's the right level of detail
09:20 Keybuk (merges: 200 dropped to 150 in the last 2 days)
09:20 mdz we'll chat a bit about merges at the end of the meeting if
we have time
09:20 mdz fabbione: next?
09:20 fabbione sure
09:20 fabbione * Progress on ubuntu-server
([6]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy):
09:20 fabbione + Community involment:
09:20 fabbione - #ubuntu-server created
09:20 fabbione - waiting jdub to create mailing list
09:20 fabbione - ubuntu-instant parallel project started from the
community to add value to -server (~ server for dummies)
09:20 fabbione + Implementation:
- Create an MD5 checker for the Ubuntu Installer rescue
09:20 fabbione mode (see specs): server side code is done and tested. rt
request filed for datacenter integration.
09:20 fabbione * During this week:
09:20 fabbione - kernel security (big mess + ABI change)
09:21 fabbione - need to review policy for security with ABI changes
(lrm and linux-meta)
09:21 fabbione * Next week:
09:21 fabbione - monday: ubuntu love. I will be out distributing CDs to
a lot of local users.
09:21 fabbione - kernel security left overs (if any)
09:21 fabbione - merges
09:21 fabbione - ubuntu-server and ubuntu-cluster work.
09:21 fabbione * Side notes:
09:21 fabbione - Waiting a final date for a visit to a DK Company and
held a talk there (sabdfl approved).
09:21 fabbione (done)
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09:22 JaneW this is great :))
09:22 mdz fabbione: boot-from-usb?
09:22 fabbione mdz: no other progresses beside what i write
09:22 fabbione wrote even
09:23 fabbione (to keep it short)
09:23 seb128 should we mention all the specs or only the spec where we
did some work?
09:23 mdz fabbione: ok, we'll work on the format for next time so
that this is clearer
09:23 pitti the latter would make more sense
09:23 Mithrandir oh, pong.
09:23 Mithrandir sorry, I overslept. :-/
09:23 mdz pitti: if a task is stalled, it's important for that to be
clear during the meeting
09:23 pitti ok
09:24 mdz but we haven't time to discuss it here. janew or I will
send mail to the list about it
09:24 mdz seb128: ready?
09:24 pitti JaneW: maybe you can evaluate today's formats and suggest a
standard one for the next meeting?
09:24 seb128 This week:
09:24 seb128 * caught with UBZ mail backlog
09:24 seb128 * packaged GNOME 2.13.2 (with dholbach)
09:24 seb128 * started menus-revisited changes
09:24 seb128 Next week:
09:24 seb128 * starting catching with bugs backlog
09:24 seb128 * push menus-revisited to implemented
09:24 seb128 * gconf transition (package split, location of the default
change, new format to store custom defaults)
09:24 mdz seb128: thanks
09:24 mdz pitti: yes, we will do so after the meeting
09:24 mdz pitti: ready?
hide-admin-tools-to-users: implemented backend part of
09:25 pitti hide-admin-tools-to-users; Plan: coordinate with seb128 and
mvo about updating all desktop files and
gnome-menu/update-notifier Time estimate: 2 mandays
gstreamer-audio-backend: Blocks: I need gstreamer 0.10 beta
09:25 pitti in dapper; Plan: upgrade ALSA libs to 1.10 and make
necessary adjustments according to spec; Time estimate: 1
day ALSA, 2 days gstreamer; libgnome: unclear
09:25 pitti automatic-printer-conf: Plan: upgrade to latest cupsys
beta; ETA: 6 hours (big package, lots of Ubuntu changes)
09:25 mdz once we have a standard format we should be able to
parallelize more without losing clarity
09:25 pitti rosetta-firefox-support: Blocks: carlos currently plays
with moz2po to actually get it working; ETA unknown
09:25 pitti general for next week: finish merges, catch up with
security, clean up anastacia
=== infinity is ready.
09:25 pitti that's it for now, I didn't start with the other specs so
far
09:25 mdz seb128: will gstreamer 0.10 come in with gnome 2.13.2?
09:26 seb128 seb128: no, it's due first week of december
09:26 mdz hmm, ok
09:26 mdz pitti: thanks
09:26 pitti seb128: any beta to play with?
=== JaneW will list as no progress, anything for which an update is not
explicitly given
09:26 mdz Keybuk: next?
09:26 Keybuk asure
udev-roadmap: klibc updated, but decided not to use it for
udev. modutils now up to date and owns the isapnp aliases
and blacklists; potential issue with installer/initramfs
09:26 Keybuk modprobe (busybox) not supporting blacklists. udev
packaging is progressing well; chose intersection of Debian
and SuSE rules for our own, still need to sort out
upgrades.
there is 0.9 tarball, Debian has SVN version of the package
09:26 seb128 but the Debian maintain doesn't want to upload them because
the versionning will change for 0.10 ... probably better to
wait the 2-3 weeks if we can
hardware-activation: firmware moved to /lib/firmware as new
09:26 Keybuk standard path, kernel-wedge updated, BenC to update
kernel-source
network-magic: NetworkManager doesn't work with Atheros
cards, which are pretty common in the target
09:26 Keybuk userbase. Perhaps this should be deferred until the cards
can be supported (which is most likely when we have an open
driver for them as iz driver bug)
streamlined-boot: bootchart packages made available, 10s
09:26 Keybuk shaved by removal of boot-time depmod. Next up see what
the udev changes do, then fix readahead.
09:27 Keybuk JaneW: could you mention which specs those are, some of us
could be just forgetting by accident ;)
09:27 Kamion Keybuk: installer issue is no longer relevant for now
because I switched d-i to module-init-tools
09:27 JaneW Keybuk: yes, but not today... all my FF windows have hung
need to reboot after meeting ;)
09:27 mdz Keybuk: regarding udev-roadmap, what is the status of the
new coldplugging infrastructure?
09:28 mdz Keybuk: let's chat later in detail about what to do with NM
mdz: oops, missed that in my trimming to one line ...
09:28 Keybuk prototype tested yesterday and seems to work, need to code
up a full version and update initramfs -- ~1 day
09:29 mdz Keybuk: ok, please make that your next priority so it lands
as early as possible
Keybuk : I'll need a loud ping from you when you've
09:29 infinity released your soft lock on initramfs, by the way, so we
avoid stepping on each other.
09:29 mdz Keybuk: streamlined-boot also has a list of things to
remove from the boot process, right?
09:30 JaneW infinity/ Keybuk will you 2 coordinate that or do you need
me to liaise?
09:30 infinity JaneW : I tihnk we're capable. :)
09:30 JaneW infinity: good :P
09:30 mdz Keybuk: ok, thanks
09:30 mdz mvo: next?
09:30 mvo This week:
09:30 mvo * automatic removal of dependencies:
09:30 mvo - merged work from UBZ with mainline, want to bounty
dburrows
09:30 mvo * support 3rd party package
09:30 mvo - support for sources.list.d added to apt/synaptic
09:30 mvo - gdebi (direct installing of debs) makes progress
09:30 mvo Will do:
09:30 mvo * support 3rd party packages channels and work on a gui for
that
09:30 mvo (releated to "better repo dialog" spec)
09:30 mvo * unattended package upgrades checking script
09:31 mvo * gdebi upload to universe
09:31 pitti mvo: can I have you for hide-admin-tools next week? for the
u-n side? (should be a small change)
09:32 mvo pitti: sure, that should be possible
09:32 mdz mvo: command-not-found, release-upgrades?
09:32 mvo mdz: not started yet, do you want me to change priorities?
09:33 mdz mvo: please look at them in enough detail to make a time
estimate this week, and we'll prioritize based on that
09:33 mdz mvo: thanks
09:33 mdz doko: next?
toolchain-roadmap: toolchain packages updated to current
09:33 doko versions, not final releases. libstdc++ allocator changes
start after flight-1, ia32-libs will start loosing packages
next week (with glibc), java-updates: not yet started
09:33 doko others: no progress
09:33 doko This week:
09:33 doko - snycs
09:33 doko - preparing libstdc++ allocator change
09:33 doko - experimental gij/gcj-4.1 builds
09:33 doko Next week:
09:33 doko - libstdc++ allocator changes, toolchain bug trial
09:33 doko - java to native code infrastructure for libjava packages
09:34 doko some help next week for the libstdc++ allocator changes
would be nice
09:34 mdz doko: I haven't finished catching up on the allocator stuff
09:34 mdz doko: how many packages are affected?
09:34 doko renaming about 40 libs in main
09:34 mdz not another full C++ transition I hpe
09:34 infinity doko : You have my help, of course, for naything requiring
mass rebuilds.
09:34 doko rebuilding depending packages
09:35 doko no, not full. and it's all mechanical now
09:35 dholbach doko: i'll help out there too
09:35 mdz doko: ok, let's have a followup with you/me/JaneW about
dividing that workload
09:35 doko infinity, dholbach: thanks
09:35 doko mdz: ok
09:35 Mithrandir doko: would you have a chance to do the ooo-amd64 changes,
or should I get around to do that?
09:35 Mithrandir (to build native packages)
09:35 mdz doko: thanks
09:36 doko Mithrandir: I'd like to wait until after the allocator
change
09:36 mdz infinity: next?
09:36 Mithrandir doko: ok, sure.
initramfs/usplash-*: fixing vga16fb and syslinux to both
run at 640x400, pushing changes to BenC to get the kernel
09:36 infinity to use update-initramfs in its postinst, most other
initramfs stuff will be started in the next week or two,
when Keybuk releases his "lock".
reducing-duplication: ongoing effort, currently beginning
09:36 infinity to focus on rebuilding everything against the One True
openssl (0.9.8)
misc-blocked: linux-restricted-modules waiting on Xorg to
09:36 infinity build (which is waiting on a new glibc from jbailey) before
I bump us to new ATI drivers and fiddle with new Xorg and
/lib/firmware paths.
09:36 infinity misc-nextweek: PHP security updates on my plate, and of
course, more effort on the merge and bug triage fray.
09:37 mdz infinity: is buildd admin taking a lot of your time with
the churn?
09:37 infinity mdz : It can, this week hasn't been TOO painful, though.
09:38 infinity mdz : It's actually far worse with little churn but high
expectations (ie: close to test/release times)
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09:38 sivang hi all
09:38 mdz infinity: ok, thanks
09:38 sivang (sorry, wasn't aware of the time of the meeting, I was sure
it was going to be in the evening)
09:39 mdz Riddell: ready?
This week: (kubuntu-roadmap-dapper) packaging KDE 3.5,
preparing for the libstdc++ transition and discussing it
09:39 Riddell with the Debian packagers, (kubuntu-translations) preparing
KDE packages for rosetta, and doing the artwork for Kubuntu
breezy CDs.
Also tidied the Kubuntu wiki pages, (kubuntu-documentation)
09:39 Riddell preparing documentation for breezy and preparing
KubuntuDapperPackagerManager for Bounty.
09:39 JaneW sivang: rotates 6 hourly each week, next week will be at
14:00 UTC
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Next week, doing c++ transition, simplify-kde,
09:39 Riddell documentation packaging, hopefully kubuntu-system-tools
fixing knetworkconf
09:39 sivang JaneW: good, that is more doable for me :)
09:40 mdz Riddell: kubuntu-system-tools is still drafting, we need to
get it polished up before starting the implementation
09:40 Riddell mdz: ok, I'll look at that today
Riddell: over the next week I need you to take charge of
09:40 mdz getting kubuntu CD builds going again (uninstallables,
livefs builds, etc.)
09:41 sivang JaneW: DapperGoals is da page ? :)
09:41 Kamion sivang:
[7]https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable
09:41 Kamion (for the moment)
09:41 Riddell mdz: yep, I've been waiting on c++ transition for that
09:41 infinity Riddell : For the livefs unbreakage, you know to ping me if
you need help, yes?
09:41 sivang Kamion: ah right, thx
09:41 mdz Riddell: we're trying to get a CD build out before
introducing more uninstallability
09:41 Riddell infinity: will do
09:42 mdz Riddell: with Kamion's build process improvements, it
should be much easier to run CD builds on-demand
09:42 mdz Riddell: thanks
09:42 mdz Mithrandir: next?
09:42 Kamion Riddell: I re-enabled the cdimage crontab last night so at
least you'll get test runs
09:43 Riddell Kamion: great, thanks
09:43 Mithrandir mdz: sure, ready.
09:43 mdz Mithrandir: fire away
09:43 Mithrandir This week:
09:43 Mithrandir - merges
09:43 Mithrandir - making it possible to build cdebconf widgets out-of tree.
09:43 Mithrandir Next week:
09:43 Mithrandir - merges
- help making the CDs installable again so I can implement
09:43 Mithrandir some of my CD-based specs and start doing the live cd boot
speed instrumentation
09:43 Mithrandir Blocked on:
- generally bugzilla being utterly slow due to jamesh
09:43 Mithrandir running gpg imports on the bugzilla host. Makes it hard to
know when bug triage and merges are possible to do.
09:44 mdz Mithrandir: I'll follow up regarding macquarie
09:44 Mithrandir mdz: thanks.
09:44 mdz Mithrandir: please make CD and livefs installability your
priority, to help Colin in preparing the first Flight
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09:44 mdz Mithrandir: coordinate with him regarding what needs to be
done
09:45 Mithrandir mdz: ok, will do.
09:45 pitti I'll do the inclusion reports toay to fix anastacia
09:45 mdz pitti: is anastacia currently blocking installability?
09:45 pitti (and make a few uploads to use other libs, etc.)
09:45 pitti mdz: not so sure, but buildability at least
09:45 Kamion mdz: in some cases yes
09:45 Mithrandir pitti: we should be announcing locks of some kind in #u-d,
then.
09:46 Mithrandir there has been a little (but not much) double-work due to
people not announcing what they're doing.
09:46 mdz Kamion: let's have a followup regarding the CD blockers and
distributing that work to more people
09:46 Kamion sure
09:46 mdz Mithrandir: thanks
09:46 mdz dholbach: next?
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09:46 dholbach this week: done: big heap of merges, gnome 2.13.2
09:46 dholbach this week: to do: bug triage, missing merges, ubuntu-docs
packaging
next week: bug triage, missing merges, desktop team
09:46 dholbach organisation, bug day, talking accessibility with hno73,
c++ allocator change
power-management-configuration: desrt, mjg59, pitti and
hughsie are currently in the loop. the biggest problem is
that gnome-power-manager/hal upstream want to have hal
09:47 dholbach running as root, whereas pitti ... doesnt want to. We
already considered not using g-p-m and rely on the scripts,
Matthew didn't like that. desrt started hacking on various
things for testing reasons, but unfortunately there was no
agreement made yet.
inclusion-of-docs: started to try to understand 80M of docs
09:47 dholbach and how they are built; no upload yet, since there were no
big changes yet
09:47 dholbach acessibility-*: need to catch up with hno73, since the BOFs
were not scheduled in Montreal
09:47 jsgotangco yeah
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anything <g>
dholbach: hmm, let's talk later about
09:47 mdz power-management-configuration, sounds like we need to
figure that out
09:47 dholbach absolutely
09:47 Riddell Keybuk: done
09:47 Kamion dholbach: I think for avoidance of confusion (?) we should
consider weeks to start and end at this meeting. :)
09:48 mdz Kamion: indeed :-)
09:48 dholbach ok :)
09:48 mdz dholbach: thanks
09:48 mdz ogra: ready?
09:48 ogra yup
09:48 ogra == thin-client-sound ==
09:48 ogra * proof of concept works fine here (there is way less to do
than the spec says, will correct this)
09:48 ogra * implementation and coding will take another day
09:48 ogra
09:48 ogra == thin-client-local-devices ==
09:48 ogra * not started yet
09:48 ogra * ltspfs packaged but not yet uploaded (needs more testing)
09:48 ogra
09:48 ogra == thin-client-memory-usage ==
09:48 ogra * did some further testing
09:48 ogra * played with module blacklisting etc
09:48 ogra * talked to daniels about reducing the color palette by
default to 16bit for thin clients
09:49 ogra
09:49 ogra == thin-client-faster-startup ==
09:49 ogra * made all the changes we worked out at ubz
09:49 ogra * did some bootcharting
09:49 ogra * enabled usplash, to recognize we loose 5sec through it :/
09:49 ogra
09:49 ogra == gnome-screensaver (generally) ==
09:49 ogra * started to adopt the .desktop file scheme for
gnome-screensaver in xscreensaver
09:49 ogra * split the hacks into 4 packages for shipped/non-shipped,
gl/non-gl (per sabdfl request)
09:49 ogra == gnome-screensaver-default-image ==
09:49 ogra * not started yet
09:49 ogra
09:49 ogra == planned for the week ==
09:49 ogra * finish up my local bzr archive of ltsp mainline make it
public and add my changes after
09:49 ogra cross-check through mdz
09:49 ogra * get the specs texts finished and finally approved
09:49 ogra * further ltsp testing in all areas
09:49 ogra * finishing xscreensaver stuff
09:49 ogra * making the first edubuntu CD, getting familiar with
liveCD builds (we had none last release)
09:50 JaneW ogra: and evangelising and trying to solicit community dev
help!
09:50 mdz ogra: ok, we have things to talk about on many of those
goals, let's do that soon
09:50 ogra mdz, yup
09:50 JaneW mdz: want a sep edubuntu meeting with us?
09:50 mdz JaneW: sure, we can do that at the same time
ogra : You may want to hit/ping me later about your
09:50 infinity experience with usplash on thin clients, I was going to
play with that Real Soon Now.
09:51 mdz JaneW: BenC and Diziet are not here, please follow up with
them via email and CC me
09:51 ogra infinity, its fine, just slow :)
09:51 JaneW mdz: will do
09:51 infinity ogra : Sure, but there's no reason it should be. Anyhow,
later.
09:51 ogra yup
09:51 mdz ok, one general agenda item is the merge process
09:52 mdz we need to get this initial merge finished off so that we
can move ahead with other work
09:52 pitti I would really like to see some more people being able to
sync packages
09:52 mdz pitti: sync or merge?
09:52 pitti it costs a lot of time to track these issues for several
days
09:52 pitti mdz: sync
09:52 seb128 yeah
09:52 ogra mdz, sync
09:52 pitti and they block other packages often
09:52 mdz pitti: oh, carry out the actual sync in katie you mean?
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09:52 pitti mdz: yes
09:53 mdz elmo, Kamion and I can all do that
pitti: I did some for a while, but elmo said it costs him
09:53 Kamion time to try to resolve what I've done against his queue
when he comes back
09:53 Kamion mdz: ^--
09:53 pitti Kamion: hm, ok
09:53 seb128 it took me 4 days to get gnumeric buildable mostly waiting
on syncs
09:53 pitti but that is a blocker IMHO, at least for me
09:53 Kamion and asked me not to do it unless it was world-shattering
urgent and he'd jumped under a bus
09:53 mdz Kamion: let's the three of us put our heads together and
figure out how to do that better
09:53 Kamion mdz: nod
09:53 Mithrandir using the wiki or bugzilla or something sounds like a good
plan, IMO.
09:53 pitti when we discover that something can be synced, we should do
it right away
09:54 pitti otherwise new changes interfere with that, etc.
09:54 pitti we already had that case
09:54 JaneW mdz: are you going to get the DapperGaols wiki page going
or should I?
JaneW: go ahead and create it; I'll populate it (was
09:54 mdz planning to just put a list of launchpad URLs there for
now)
09:54 mdz JaneW: there isn't much sense duplicating the info from
launchpad I don't think
09:55 JaneW mdz: I am scheming all sorts of huge and unwieldy tabulated
stuff now ;)
09:55 mdz JaneW: once we figure out the view we need, we can add it
to the spec tracker and have it generated automatically
09:55 Kamion pitti: not to be rah-launchpad or anything, but ultimately
there'll be a button you can push to do that, I think ...
09:55 JaneW mdz: that would be WAY better
09:55 mdz ok, we have 5 minutes. does anyone have a pressing concern
which applies to the entire team?
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09:56 daniels mdz: ...
09:56 doko mdz: disk space on concordia
mdz. JaneW: sidenote:
09:56 fabbione [8]https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable
has no specs for which i am assignee...
09:56 mdz daniels: oh, you're back. go
09:56 fabbione doko: i did open an RT request for it
09:56 daniels yes, I pinged you about 45 minutes ago.
completed: x11r7 rc1 and assorted bugfix fun. a few
09:56 daniels merges, syncs. prepared xorg breezy-update. debugging
mcpp.
wip: x11r7 rc2 tarball updates (~100 new
09:56 daniels tarballs). everything but server done; server and drivers
are in local testing as there's no point uploading (see
below).
blocked: glibc for building xorg-server. jbailey and I
09:56 daniels developed patch to fix. new binutils upstream needed to
let glibc build so xorg-server can build so the drivers can
build. bugzilla.
09:56 daniels planned: finish x11r7 rc2 tarballs. start work on
uninstallables. update mesa to new upstream when it comes.
x-roadmap: permanently wip by definition. eta: jan 20th.
dbus-restarts: largely fixed (we don't restart dbus
anymore). mostly informational for upstream use. eta: not
09:56 daniels planned. gdm-keyboard-layout: superseded by a few other
specs which don't involve me. eta: no idea.
faster-gnome-startup: some mcpp issues to iron out which
have been causing me pain today. eta: unsure (else only
gnome work left).
09:56 pitti hrmpf network #$##$
09:56 JaneW fabbione: we'll have to fix that!
09:57 sivang JaneW: lol
fabbione, Znarl did tell me it was long term, but it looks
09:57 doko like we need it short term, or at least have separate i386
and amd64 machines
09:57 mdz daniels: so r7 final is expected in Jan?
09:57 daniels dec 7th
09:57 mdz daniels: what is blocking the glibc upload? just do it
09:57 fabbione doko: i told him we need a short term solution asap to work
and a final solution because it is a long term issue
09:57 daniels mdz: i can do it if you want, but it will FTBFS because of
binutils
09:58 dholbach mdz: the cd?
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09:58 mdz daniels: is the new binutils a big deal to package?
09:58 fabbione mdz: elmo required some testing before upload and afaik he
is looking into it
09:58 fabbione there is a bit more than just pkging
09:58 daniels mdz: elmo has said to tread very, very carefully around it,
so jbailey is mostly sorting it out aiui
09:58 mdz dholbach: the cd?
09:59 daniels mdz: it's non-trivial (jumping to a new cvs revision)
09:59 dholbach mdz: you asked what was blocking it... i was thinking
loudly, sorry
09:59 mdz daniels: ok, we can't block on jbailey as he'll be busy
with support this cycle
09:59 mdz daniels: let's discuss later
09:59 mdz we're out of time
i'm not confident that I won't break the entire archive,
09:59 daniels which could possibly be counterproductive. so it's not
immediately obvious.
10:00 JaneW daniels: good thing to say as the meeting ends!
10:00 mdz anything else, mail me, me/janew, or ubuntu-devel as
appropriate
10:00 pitti that was a pretty useful meeting IMHO
10:00 JaneW thanks everyone, for a first attempt that worked well
10:00 mdz expect to hear from me and JaneW about refining the meeting
process
10:00 mdz but I think this was a good first attempt
10:00 fabbione yup
10:00 Nafallo pitti: agreed :-)
10:01 mdz adjourned, thanks all
10:01 pitti thanks
10:01 JaneW see you all same place and day next week +6 hoursMeetingLogs/DapperDev_2005-11-17 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:18:59 by localhost)