DapperDev_2005-11-24
03:01 Kamion ok, mdz will not be able to make this meeting due to Thanksgiving, so he asked JaneW and me to run it 03:01 JaneW we are not sure if that will be possible, but if we get the stutus updates fed in we should be able to 03:02 JaneW I thought if I can get to a design that works we can show that to the LP team and ask for it from LP 03:02 Kamion we're missing daniels, jdub, krstic === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:02 JaneW sivang: yes the agenda is the same each week, we run through the group and get stutus updates in a set format, as per e-mail yesterday 03:02 Kamion it's late Australian time, and krstic has other commitments, so I doubt we'll get any more 03:02 fabbione Kamion: and BenC.. he is thanksgiving too 03:03 JaneW daniels won;t be here, he sent appologies and a breif update to me 03:03 Kamion fabbione: I'm just looking at /names at the moment 03:03 JaneW not sure if jdub is intended to attend these../ 03:03 JaneW ? 03:03 Kamion JaneW: probably not, he isn't distro team 03:03 JaneW nod 03:03 dholbach i pinged him, just in case... but don't know if he's awake 03:04 sivang Kamion: you mean, he's no longer on distro-team ? 03:04 Keybuk sivang: jdub never has been 03:04 sivang Keybuk: ah :) ok 03:04 Kamion so, we'll run through people in alphabetical order by nick, per JaneW's request; please give a short summary for each spec you have assigned (you should have this pre-prepared) 03:04 infinity JaneW : I object to being at the top of the spreadsheet, otherwise it was fine. :) 03:04 pitti sivang: he's the Canonical motivation team :) 03:04 Kamion BenC is on vacation 03:04 sivang pitti: hehe, cool 03:04 Kamion daniels sent apologies 03:04 Kamion dholbach: ? 03:05 infinity Kamion : alphabetical by nick, or by LP username (since that's how the spreadsheet is ordered)? 03:05 JaneW infinity you aren't anymore ;P 03:05 dholbach power-management-configuration: mjg59 came up with a new plan (dbus authentication mechanism for restricting the use of power management functionalities); I'll nail down the missing bits for writing the spec together with him (along with time estimates); together with hughsie, I'll discuss the UI ideas we had. 03:05 dholbach inclusion-of-docs: in my SleeplessNightBOF last night, I packaged new ubuntu-docs from docteam's SVN (didn't upload yet), fixed some bugs in it (the doc team moved some directories around and didn't register there new docs in Rosetta), however, there are files missing still. i will have a session with mdke tonight, to get things right and regular updates going. (although translations will have to wait). 03:05 JaneW BenC is forst now 03:05 dholbach best-practices-bugs: we made some additions to the HelpingWithBugs pages and we're running the HUG DAY momentarily, which is just great. 03:05 JaneW first even 03:05 Kamion infinity: let's do it by nick this time or I'll get lost. 03:05 dholbach work: this week (today and tomorrow), c++ allocator change, BUG DAY, writing down a11y meeting notes, ubuntu-docs updating 03:05 dholbach work: next week: gnome-power spec'ing, more c++ allocator change, a11y spec'ing with hno73, getting the wiki up to scratch, bug triage (of course), motu mentoring 03:05 JaneW infinity: from this week it is ordered by nick 03:05 Diziet Firefox: finished merging, not everything works right yet. I will pick this up again in another few days after I've got some other stuff out of the way. 03:05 Diziet AutomatedTesting: discussions in Debian going reasonably well; will carry on probably for another week. 03:05 Diziet Launchpad SSLCertificateAuthentication: some progress made yesterday; this will fail or succeed by tomorrow 03:05 Diziet DeveloperDocumentation: I will pick this up next week I think 03:05 Diziet Email and bug backlog: horrendous 03:05 Diziet Other goals: not started 03:05 Kamion dholbach: thanks 03:05 Diziet Sorry, was I premature ? 03:06 Kamion no, that's ok === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 03:06 Kamion Diziet: is firefox working well enough now that it can be left alone for a few days, or do other people need to prod it? 03:06 JaneW dholbach: were you done? 03:06 dholbach JaneW: yes, i was 03:06 Diziet Yes. You can use it to browse web pages and I think you can even build against it. If not then I'll fix it. 03:06 pitti ffox works well enough for me at least 03:07 Kamion great, thanks 03:07 Kamion doko: ? 03:07 pitti has still some itches, but not too bad 03:07 doko Kamion: please later, have still to summarize === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW offer pitti a tube of ointment 03:07 seb128 firefox works fine, not the same for stuff using it :) 03:07 Kamion doko: ok, we'll do you last 03:07 Kamion fabbione: ? 03:07 fabbione ok i am next.... 03:07 fabbione * server-candy: progressing: MD5 checker core is ready (both server and client side). Client frontends need to be done. other stuff is waiting to complete the MD5 task. Community is growing slowly because we are still missing the mailing list and some kind of official announcement that i would like to do when the infrastructure is ready. 03:07 fabbione * ubuntu-cluster: some pkgs have been already updated. others are being prepared. 03:07 fabbione * installer-volume-management: partman-auto is ready and uploaded, merging partman-auto-lvm as we speak. 03:07 fabbione * probe-for-root-filesystem: blocked. 03:07 fabbione * boot-from-usb: blocked. 03:07 fabbione * misc: monday have been out handling CD around (very positive). Dec 15th i will be on the other side of Denmark to give a talk in a company. working on merges and a bit of bug triaging. 03:07 fabbione * next week: complete installer-volume-management and do server-candy work, together with merges. 03:08 pitti blocked by? 03:08 mvo apparently the pyhton binding of ff are borken right now :/ 03:08 fabbione pitti: blocks are tracked in LP 03:08 Kamion yes, please list what you're blocked by so we have a record of who should be nagged 03:08 fabbione Kamion: ok will do for the next time, but mainly is the new udev stuff 03:09 Keybuk that only blocks the boot-time side of it 03:09 Keybuk it doesn't block the modifications to d-i === JaneW can give daniel's update... 03:09 fabbione Keybuk: and testing 03:09 Kamion Keybuk: it's hard to test d-i changes correctly when the installed system doesn't work right; I concur with that being a blocker 03:09 fabbione i don't like blind modifications if i can avoid them is better 03:10 Kamion JaneW: go ahead 03:10 JaneW ok this from daniels: done: finished RC2. 03:10 JaneW blocked: nothing anymore 03:10 JaneW tomorrow: fixing driver FTBFSes 03:10 JaneW next week: on leave 03:10 JaneW that's it 03:10 Keybuk terse 03:10 infinity JaneW : Note that the driver FTBFSs have become a large enough issue that I'm fixing them tonight. 03:11 infinity (They're listed in my update...) 03:11 JaneW infinity: ok 03:11 Kamion we need to get something out of daniels on dbus-restarts at some point 03:11 Kamion is anyone else involved with that? 03:11 pitti uh, that's not really something for us, I guess 03:11 pitti that spec is more like a proposal for upstream rather than a dapper spec 03:11 Kamion I see; let's move on 03:12 Kamion infinity: ? 03:12 pitti upstream is completely against doing it 03:12 seb128 Kamion: as pitti said, we don't have a lot to do for that 03:12 Diziet I thought we needed it for various stuff ? And upstream are on crack. 03:12 JaneW one sec 03:12 pitti Diziet: right, but we can't patch against the world 03:12 JaneW can the ppl who were listed as needing further discussions with mdz please indicate if those have actually happened yet AND 03:12 infinity reducing-duplication: ongoing effort, as always, this last week saw good progress on kicking out multiple versions of libdb 03:12 infinity initramfs-*: still waiting on keybuk to release his lock on initramfs for hardware activation 03:12 infinity usplash-*: tested vga16fb changes to use a lower resolution, muddled with assembly in syslinux to make the same change for CD booting, need more testing 03:12 infinity splash-down: Have a reasonable working implementation, will need to ping maintainers of display managers to hook things in correctly and coordinate uploads 03:12 infinity general: helped with kernel security updates last week (l-r-m and linux-meta), need to get a new l-r-m and linux-meta in this week for the new kernel, spent plenty of time babysitting various components to make modular X buildable, currently polishing off most of that tonight, buildd tasks have been reasonably onerous this last week. 03:12 JaneW let us know if you have a new need to set up time to talk to him 03:12 doko infinity: any estimate for subversion? 03:13 ogra infinity, ping me as well for ltsp display manager please 03:13 infinity doko : Mail me for SVN, if I have the reminder in my INBOX, I'll do it first thing tomorrow. 03:13 Kamion JaneW: we're now part-way through people, so perhaps we can go back at the end and look through that === pitti would like to book infinity for php 03:13 JaneW Kamion: sure, but if the rest will in the mean time..? 03:13 Kamion ok 03:14 Kamion jdub's away, so I'm next 03:14 Keybuk didn't we just miss doko? 03:14 Kamion ue-partitioning-tool: Making good progress with partman.deb; I expect to upload this early next week. UI work not started. 03:14 jbailey Or I 03:14 Kamion ubuntu-express-bootloader: First cut at parted parseable output patch done and sent upstream; I think it'll probably get merged, but if not I have a fallback plan. No other progress. Not blocked. 03:14 Kamion ubuntu-express-base-system: Tollef's working on factoring out the keymapper widget; otherwise no progress. 03:14 Kamion ubuntu-express-*, ue-*: No other progress. Semi-blocked on an svn2bzr bug that prevents me from importing the Guadalinex repository (sent to niemeyer). 03:14 Kamion cd-bootloader: CD timeout restored. Upgraded to syslinux 3.11. Sent call for gfxboot testing to ubuntu-users. 03:14 Kamion cd-build-process: Single-architecture rebuilds implemented. 03:14 Kamion misc: Implemented installer rescue mode infrastructure to allow implementation of MD5 checker client side for server-candy. Did the big apt-setup merge, though not tested yet. 03:14 Kamion jbailey: oh, sorry, I missed you 03:15 jbailey Kamion: I'll go after, no big deal. 03:15 Mithrandir Kamion: the keymapper widget is actually done now, but not uploaded. 03:15 pitti Keybuk: doko wanted to be last 03:15 Kamion of my meetings with mdz, I still need to have a chat about merge progress, CD blockers has become obsolete, Kubuntu CD builds has been done by deciding to bring Riddell into the cdimage group, and we haven't had the syncs discussion yet 03:15 Kamion (the last needs elmo too) 03:16 Kamion Mithrandir: in your bzr repository? if so, I'll have a look 03:16 Mithrandir Kamion: no, not pushed. I haven't that set up, really. Will fix that 03:16 Kamion ok, thanks 03:16 Kamion jbailey: go ahead, then 03:16 jbailey Specs: none, Nyaah 03:16 jbailey * glibc: Patch in hand for sparc, hppa still needs love. 03:16 jbailey After that: libc6-i386 for amd64, update to 2.3.6 and locale munging. Those are just blocked on it working everywhere again. 03:16 jbailey * linux-kernel-headers: Update to 2.6.15 coming RSN (partially started) 03:16 jbailey * klibc/initramfs-tools: I'm happy with the hand off, and don't consider myself responsible for them anymore. 03:16 jbailey I looked through and noticed yesterday that I still have grub asssigned to me for merging, I'll try to grab that tomorrow. 03:17 Kamion jbailey: are we likely to merge glibc/l-k-h with Debian, or is that stalled for dapper? 03:17 JaneW keybuk:? 03:17 jbailey Kamion: Glibc will get merged as part of 2.3.6. l-k-h isn't common with Debian. I'm working on that on the Debian side. 03:17 Kamion all right 03:17 Keybuk JaneW: I was gonna wait until the questions stopped :) 03:18 Keybuk udev-roadmap: mostly done. rcS script needs polish and the whole thing needs a bit more testing. grepmap is to be kept, and updated for input subsystem and libsane. still got to sort out udeb. waiting on 2.6.15-4 03:18 Keybuk hardware-activation: no network or sound-card rules yet. Kamion found a sweet way to replace cardmgr. 03:18 Keybuk streamlined-boot: bootchart updated to 0.9. readahead still todo. mostly waiting on udev-roadmap to see what different that makes. 03:18 Keybuk network-manager: largely no progress, discovered it doesn't seem to bring up wifi interfaces until a user logs in. blocked on glibc dns patch. might not be doable anyway. 03:18 Keybuk misc: still to merge sysvinit, otherwise done 25. found bug with dpkg's new conffile handing that I'll fix. module-init-tools needs update to latest upstream and a patch that could break depmod (inputmap) on < 2.6.15 03:18 Keybuk plans: finish up udev, have 1,000 bugs filed against me for everything I break, fix those, move on to streamlined-boot and network-manager 03:19 Kamion if we could get the new udev world order in tomorrow so that we can have time to settle everything before Flight CD 2 becomes urgent, that would be much appreciated 03:19 infinity Agreed. 03:19 Kamion however I don't know how practical that is while BenC's on vacation 03:19 jbailey Kamion: Timing for flight 2? 03:19 Riddell is there a target date or flight 2? 03:19 Keybuk yeah, with a good headwind and fair weather, I don't see why it couldn't go in today or tomorrow, except for the kernel block 03:19 Kamion ideally, Flight CD releases are two weeks apart 03:20 Kamion in some cases that may need to slip 03:20 Kamion s/some/many/ quite probably :-/ 03:20 Keybuk it'll break some stuff, all known, but the major interp-dep components are almost ready 03:20 Kamion but theoretically, doing Flight 2 next Thursday/Friday would be perfect 03:20 infinity Keybuk : Given lrm work, your work, and BenC's new kernel upload required, I'd call Monday a good target for having all the new kernel/udev stuff settle. 03:21 Keybuk agreed, the kernel is only a relatively soft blocker 03:21 Keybuk I can upload udev/initramfs/etc. without it ... it'll just break a few people 03:21 Kamion if that can be decoupled, all the better 03:21 Kamion ok, krstic and mdz absent 03:21 Kamion Mithrandir: ? 03:21 Mithrandir livecd-performance: groundwork done, I can now get useful data out of the system. Need to decide on further action to actually improve boot times. Also, will get it into the default live cd (togglable with a boot switch or similar) and call for testing. 03:21 Keybuk and I can alleviate that with a u-d-a announce saying what's expected to break 03:21 Mithrandir embedded-ubuntu: I discovered that I got this spec last night, hence no status update on it. 03:22 Mithrandir network-authentication: Lots of interest around the spec, no work done on it so far. 03:22 Mithrandir other: no progress on specs. I've spent a fair amount of time helping Colin with cdebconf custom widgets, those still need to be uploaded. 03:22 Mithrandir Next week: review embedded-ubuntu, Try to get media-integrity-check unblocked (so help Colin with the new syslinux, if he needs help) and implemented. Go through the network-authentication spec and see what steps are needed to get it working, then start implementation. Random other chaff which shows up. 03:22 Mithrandir Blocked on: Colin for newer syslinux, volunteering to help. 03:22 Mithrandir Rant: It's very annoying when priorites are shifted around without any kind of notification. The live-cd-performance spec was high priority, hence I spent time on it, now it's suddenly medium priority without anybody having told me. I was also made approved for embedded-ubuntu, without any notification. 03:22 Mithrandir Until we use LP all the time and therefore see those kinds of things, notifications are needed. They probably still will be needed then. === mvo agrees with Mithrandir rant 03:23 Kamion I agree, we're well out of the time at UBZ when we were looking at our specs pages every day 03:23 JaneW Mithrandir: I will try to keep the spreadhseet statuses up to date 03:23 JaneW the colours will help to identify changes 03:23 Mithrandir JaneW: spreadsheet statuses don't show up in my inbox. :-) 03:23 Kamion Mithrandir: I'll chat to you about syslinux later; we have the simple menu in syslinux 3 now, but gfxboot is still to come 03:24 Kamion JaneW: spreadsheets are far too hard to diff for changes 03:24 Mithrandir Kamion: ok, cool. I just need the menu stuff in order to be unblocked. 03:24 sivang is it only me that has openoffice borked on his dapper? :) 03:24 pitti JaneW: I'd rather get an email if something on my assigned/subscribed specs changes... 03:24 pitti JaneW: just like wiki change emails 03:24 seb128 sivang: not the place 03:24 ogra pitti++ 03:24 Kamion e-mail or IRC notifications about something being assigned to you would be appropriate 03:24 Mithrandir Kamion: but I'll be happy to help out with other stuff that blocks you too. 03:24 Kamion Mithrandir: thanks 03:24 sivang seb128: sure, sorry 03:25 seb128 pitti: yeah, notification would be nice :) 03:25 JaneW if I change statuses or assignees I will send out notificatio e-mails to parties concerened... 03:25 seb128 JaneW: thanks 03:25 Kamion JaneW: thanks, that will be very helpful :-) 03:25 Kamion mvo: you're up 03:25 Mithrandir JaneW++ 03:25 ogra JaneW, that should really be a launchpad addon ... 03:25 mvo Did: 03:25 mvo * automatic removal of dependencies spec bounty prepared (got deferred in the end) [Automatic removal of unused dependencies] 03:25 ogra so you dont have extra work through it === luopio [n=abuser@b13.pekola27.ton.tut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:25 mvo * pyhton-apt improvments (needed for unattended pkg upgrades, g-a-i, cmd-not-found magic) 03:25 mvo * unattended upgrades script ready (in python-apt, need to be integrated into the APT::Periodic system [Unattended package upgrades] 03:25 mvo * gdebi (direct deb install tool) almost ready for upload into archive (needs new python-apt first) [Support for packages by 03:25 mvo third parties in external repos] 03:25 mvo * cmd-not-found magic work with zyga (prototype in pyhton ready, misses still some stuff) ["Sugest packages to install to proivde missing programs"] 03:25 mvo * tried to make apt more smart about failed network sources [Default apt sources.list configuration] -> might be used for [Improved handling of APT cdrom: sources as well] 03:26 mvo * other goals: not started 03:26 mvo Will do: 03:26 mvo * upload new apt/python-apt/gdebi + all depenencies (abi break) 03:26 mvo * integrate unattended upgrades script into the APT::Periodic system 03:26 mvo * 3rd party packages channel work 03:26 mvo * use hide-admin-tools for update-notifier 03:27 seb128 mvo: hide admin tools for update notifier? what is that? 03:27 Kamion mvo: let me know if/whenever you need installer-context testing of your apt changes 03:27 pitti I'll come to that later, see my u-d mail 03:27 mvo seb128: don't start update-notifier if the user can't run synaptic/apt/update-manager 03:27 seb128 oh, k 03:28 ogra me ? 03:28 Kamion ogra: yes 03:28 mvo Kamion: I'm preparing a mail to deity@l.d.o first explaining my idea and the patch. it's unfortunately not a trivial change :/ 03:28 ogra * thin-client-sound: updated the spec (pending approval), started adopting the proof of concept in real code in my local bzr branch, discussed changes to gstreamer with pitti, updated the spec accordingly 03:28 ogra * thin-client-local-devices: started some initial tests, ltspfs/ltspfsd cvs version uploaded and build, binary is in the archive 03:28 ogra * thin-client-memory-usage: updated the spec (pending approval), did some further testing 03:28 ogra * thin-client-faster-startup: updated the spec (pending approval) 03:28 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: started working on the package 03:28 mvo Kamion: but thanks :) 03:28 ogra * last weeks goals: 3 of 4 specs texts finished (pending approval), ltsp bzr archive is set up, renamed to ltsp/dapper on mdz's request, assembled a etherboot based client (not tested yet) to examine the etherboot problems often reported on #edubuntu, xscreensaver not completely finished yet (package ready but did not take the time to fully test it yet), edubuntu CD daily builds started, liveCD fs requested from lamont, should be ready the next da 03:28 ogra ys 03:28 ogra * next week plans: specs specs specs ... finishing the thin-client-local device spec and getting the rest approved, make the mdz requested changes to ldm in my bzr branch, implement the thin-client sound spec in my bzr branch, etherboot testing/fixing with the newly assembled etherboot client and writing a howto for edubuntu users, test the first liveCD ,finish up with xscreensaver (demote most of it (except shipped hacks) to universe), check chan 03:28 ogra ges to gnome-screensaver lock dialog with upstream to make it look like the breezy one, get gnome-screensaver to main, fix merge bugs, preparing edubuntu for flight 2 === sivang is assigned to home-user-backup, can I be excused as this spec seems not to be targetted for dapper? 03:29 sivang (At least ATM) 03:29 Kamion ogra: are we in a position where you can get enough testing together at short notice to do an Edubuntu Flight CD? 03:30 Kamion I won't be able to help this time :) 03:30 ogra Kamion, i can do most testing here, but i'll ping users on #edubuntu and the ML 03:30 Diziet ogra: thinclient-local-devices> Does that mean you're implementing already ? Or is this part of the drafting ? 03:30 ogra the only missing bit is ppc install over here 03:30 Kamion bearing in mind that the window of opportunity is generally quite small at this stage of the release cycle 03:30 ogra Diziet, its still drafting ... 03:30 Diziet Right. 03:30 Kamion powerpc's still broken anyway unless the LTSP bug that broke the Edubuntu powerpc breezy release has been fixed 03:31 ogra Diziet, and it will depend on the dbus changes 03:31 Diziet dbus> Quite so. 03:31 ogra Kamion, yes, but live should be fine 03:31 Kamion ogra: so ltspfs/ltspfsd are just proof-of-concepts? 03:31 ogra Kamion, nope, we planned to use them, but upstream will have to do changes 03:31 ogra according to my tests 03:32 Kamion ok, thanks 03:32 ogra i'm in contact with scott balneaves who is upstream 03:32 Kamion JaneW: what's the word on home-user-backup, for sivang? 03:32 Mithrandir ogra: they seemed to be unfinished code, according to Scott? 03:32 JaneW sivang is here 03:32 ogra Mithrandir, he promised to have all changes in before UVF 03:32 Mithrandir ogra: sounds good 03:32 Diziet Yes, but is home-user-backup going to be in dapper ? (Please?) 03:33 Kamion JaneW: 14:29 * sivang is assigned to home-user-backup, can I be excused as this spec seems not to be targetted for dapper? 03:33 Kamion sivang: hmm, it seems to be targeted to dapper in launchpad at the moment; please stick around 03:33 JaneW Kamion: it's sivang's goal, and we are tracking it as medium 03:33 JaneW sivang: comments? 03:34 Diziet I think it might have been me that changed the Target to Release because it looked like it had just been forgotten. Was that wrong of me ? 03:35 ogra i think thats a mdz job normally 03:35 Diziet Oh. 03:35 JaneW Kamion: it is, has he looked at the table recently? 03:35 Kamion JaneW: ok, let's talk about it when we get round to sivang in the list 03:35 Kamion pitti: ? 03:35 pitti first, non-blocked specs: 03:35 pitti automatic-printer-conf: DONE: cups 1.2beta in dapper (needed twice the expected time, though); PLAN: add dbus patch, change g-v-m to respond to hotplug events; ETA: 1 day 03:35 JaneW it took us a week or 2 after UBZ to work through the list, still not 100% 03:35 pitti language-pack-vs-support: No coding action from my side; filed bug against installer for required string change, coordinate with mvo about langselector changes 03:36 pitti general stuff next week: continue the ReducingDuplication campaign, finish merges, the usual chores (main inclusion reviews, pending security updates, bug triage); I will merge libgphoto2 and do the udev adaptions, but I need to work with somebody who has a scanner to be able to do libsane for new udev. 03:36 pitti specs with blocks: 03:36 pitti gstreamer-audio-backend: ALSA 1.10 is in dapper, still BLOCK on gstreamer 0.10 for creating the alsadmixsink 03:36 pitti hide-admin-tools-to-users: no actions since last week; BLOCK: sudo logging decision, see u-d mail 03:36 pitti automated-problem-reports: BLOCK: approval from Keybuk, would appreciate opinions from other people, too (elmo, Kamion, mdz) since this is very intrusive 03:36 pitti inactive stuff: 03:36 Kamion pitti: eta on gstreamer 0.10? 03:36 pitti firewall: carstenh proposed bounty; no coding from my side, just review; no plans 03:36 pitti rosetta-firefox-support, langpacks-desktopfiles, pmount-uber-alles: no change since last week, no time 03:36 pitti mdz discussions: had none, would like to have one about sudo stuff (prefered: TB meeting) and one about automated-problem-reports 03:36 pitti Kamion: December, I think 03:37 HiddenWolf Kamion, 11 days according to #gstreamer 03:37 pitti does anybody have an usb scanner/ 03:37 pitti ? 03:37 Kamion pitti: if you've got a decision to present, TB might be a good place to run through automated-problem-reports too 03:37 pitti Kamion: right, that's whatI wrote 03:37 mvo pitti: I can get my hands on a usb-scanner 03:37 seb128 pitti: I've a snapscan 1212 03:38 pitti ok, I'll get to you for testing then, thanks 03:38 seb128 np 03:38 ogra i have a canon lide20 here 03:38 ogra (or 30 ... not sure) === Seveas has a USB scanner too 03:38 jbailey pitti: I have an epson 1240u 03:38 pitti wow, overwhelming 03:39 Mithrandir I have a canon lide something which needs the genesys driver from the experimental sane CVS. 03:39 Seveas we have a winner :) 03:39 pitti right now I rated automated-problem-reports as 'might not get implemented' since it's such a big one 03:39 pitti and I need the spec settled very soon 03:39 Kamion ok, thanks pitti 03:39 Kamion Riddell: ? 03:40 Riddell kubuntu-roadmap-dapper: packaging KDE 3.5, some modules blocked on subversion upload 03:40 Riddell kubuntu-documentation: settings up documentation for dapper to work properly with KDE 03:40 Riddell next week: finishing KDE 3.5, tidy up KDE transition and merge, simplify-kde and hopefully start kubuntu-system-tools, sort out bounty for kubuntu-package-manager 03:40 Kamion Riddell: if you're not making any more changes to kubuntu-express, punt it up to pending-approval and I'll take a look at it 03:41 Riddell Kamion: ok 03:41 Kamion Riddell: should kubuntu-documentation be assigned to you? I see it's currently assignee-less 03:41 Kamion as are a bunch of Kubuntu specs 03:42 Riddell Kamion: I'm not sure, I'm doing the technical parts of it, the community are doing the actual writing parts 03:42 zyga pitti: I can keep helping with desktop files, just give me directions 03:42 pitti zyga: that'll be great 03:42 Kamion hmm, right; we need somebody to take responsibility for driving it and making sure it gets finished to our satisfaction 03:42 dholbach Riddell: maybe we can look into the docs stuff together - buildsystem-wise 03:43 Riddell Kamion: jjesse and me take that responsibility 03:43 Riddell dholbach: yes, see the mailing list yesterday for discussions on it 03:43 Kamion JaneW: can you record that in Launchpad somehow? 03:43 dholbach Riddell: which one? 03:44 Riddell dholbach: meinproc discussion 03:44 JaneW Kamion: what? 03:44 dholbach Riddell: does that still refer to docs? if so, i'll do that 03:45 Kamion JaneW: 14:43 < Riddell> Kamion: jjesse and me take that responsibility 03:45 Riddell dholbach: it does 03:45 dholbach Riddell: ok 03:45 Riddell I'm happy to be assigned to kubuntu-documentation 03:45 JaneW Kamion: ok, sure 03:45 Kamion seb128: ok, your turn 03:46 seb128 menus-revisited: almost all the changes have been uploaded (openoffice/gnome-bluetooth/avahi still to change), a bit of coordination to do with upstream to push some of the changes, will probably be moved to done next week 03:46 seb128 rhythmbox-ipod: packaged libgpod which is used by rhythmbox CVS, tried rhythmbox CVS too (0.9.2 tarball will be rolled pretty soon). There is still rhythmbox code to do, but I'm waiting to get my ipod for this (probably next week) 03:46 seb128 faster-gnome-startup: half of already done upstream/packaged. I've planned to work on the gconf transition (which is a part of it) today/tomorrow. 03:46 seb128 dapper-desktop-plan: not started yet, I'll work on that next week 03:46 seb128 video-playback: waiting for gstreamer0.10 which is due first week of december 03:46 seb128 next-week: continue to catch up with the huge pile of bugs, fix GNOME components for the firefox ABI changes, starting work on dapper-desktop-plan 03:46 Kamion heh, "I need this iPod for work, honest" 03:46 Kamion go seb :-) === dholbach hugs seb128 :) 03:46 seb128 ah ah 03:46 seb128 would be nice :) 03:48 Kamion sivang: ok, anything on home-user-backup? for the moment it's targetted to dapper; we'll need to talk to mdz and find out if it deliberately wasn't that way earlier 03:48 Kamion (and if so why) 03:48 Keybuk heh 03:48 Keybuk can I have an iPod too? 03:48 pitti I need it for g-v-m testing ;) 03:48 seb128 rohh 03:49 ogra isnt the biggest part of home-user-backup already covered by the SoC backuptool ? 03:49 Keybuk I need one of those new nanos, they hit udev corner cases <g> 03:49 Diziet sbackup you mean ? Have you tried it ? 03:49 Diziet I have and, erm. === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.187.177] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:49 ogra nope 03:49 infinity It needs much love. 03:49 ogra ah, k 03:49 ogra didnt know that 03:49 infinity It did what is was meant to, but it's hardly up to our standards for ubuntu-desktop yet. === JaneW has to go for a group photo (sorry) will be afk for 2 mins... 03:50 ogra so you mean it needs HIG love ? 03:50 Diziet No, it needs love. Some serious SM, I think. 03:50 ogra or is the code itself awful 03:50 infinity Backend polish too. It just needs months of testing and refinement, or someone to work on it hardcore for a week or two. 03:50 infinity Or both. 03:51 Diziet I would describe it as a proof of concept. Although I'm not sure of what concept. 03:51 ogra heh 03:51 infinity Anyhow, we veer offtopic. 03:51 Kamion sivang seems to be away from the keyboard for a bit; if he comes back, we can get an update later 03:51 fabbione ok 03:51 Kamion doko: you're up === fabbione hands the microphone to doko 03:52 doko toolchain: gcc/gcj packages split, libstdc++ allocator change in the works (pestering several people with NEW processing, promotions and package uploads), ia32-libs removal stalled (blocked by glibc biarch on amd64) 03:52 doko java-updates: charles started, not yet started myself. 03:52 doko others: no progress 03:52 doko This week: gcc/gcj packages split, gcj-4.1 updates, syncs, merges libstdc++ allocator change, "java to native code infrastructure for libjava packages" is late. 03:52 doko Next week: - last libstdc++ allocator changes, making OOo buildable again, "java to native code infrastructure for libjava packages", start python merges/syncs, packaging update 03:52 Riddell doko: is gcj-4.0 going to be installable soon? === shawarma [n=sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:53 doko Riddell: yes, -4ubuntu10 is uploaded 03:53 seb128 doko: oo.o2 doesn't build atm? 03:53 Kamion Riddell: according to dapper_probs.html it is already 03:53 Riddell excellent 03:53 infinity dapper_probs lies, then. 03:53 infinity The unbroken version is still building. 03:54 Diziet Can I suggest that in general the community participants should get to go first in this meeting ? That will avoid us making them wait around quite so much. 03:54 doko seb128, pending libstdc++ allocator changes ... 03:54 Kamion Diziet: that's a good point; you're right 03:54 seb128 doko: I have some MenusRevisited changes to do, just to know if that's worth I try doing the change or if it'll not build anyway 03:55 doko seb128, b-d's are not installable 03:55 seb128 k 03:55 seb128 thanks 03:55 JaneW back 03:56 fabbione if there is nothing more i am sort of in a hurry to go away 03:56 Kamion infinity: hard to tell since ubuntu-minimal isn't installable, so I guess it's fairly hosed 03:56 doko pitti: what about dropping mozilla-dev, are libnss-dev and libnspr-dev built from firefox, or separate sources? 03:56 Kamion ok, Keybuk wanted to have a quick merge progress update 03:56 Keybuk yes 03:56 pitti doko: oh, good point 03:56 Kamion we have four minutes :) 03:56 infinity Kamion : I'm your "make stuff installible again" slave, first thing Monday. Or maybe tomorrow, if I get other stuff out of the way. 03:56 Kamion I make it 127 open merge bugs currently 03:56 Keybuk there are 120 merges outstanding, of which 10% date before dapper opened 03:56 pitti doko: #u-d, let's discuss that later 03:56 Keybuk 127? I have 122 03:56 doko pitti: ok 03:56 seb128 pitti, doko: xulrunner? 03:56 Keybuk this is only a slight decrease on this time last week 03:57 Keybuk ergo. PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH MERGES 03:57 pitti all merge bugs are assigned now 03:57 doko Keybuk: I DONT KNOW THAT THERE ARE OPEN BUGS, you can't see them, if you are not the assigne 03:57 Keybuk doko: yes you can. 03:57 Kamion alright, please everyone push merges a step or two up your to-do list 03:57 Keybuk I've posted a URL which lists them a few times 03:57 ogra doko, YOU CAN WITH mdz's URL HE SEND 03:57 Kamion doko: I have a "merge bugs" saved query in bugzilla, so it's fairly straightforward to see 03:58 ogra s/send/sent/ 03:58 Keybuk basically search for all bugs which have an alias beginning "merge-*" 03:58 pitti doko: search for 'merging' in bugzilla, that's easiest and effective 03:58 Kamion doko: anyway, I make it 16 or so assigned to you :) 03:58 Kamion (I have plenty myself) 03:58 Keybuk http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Ubuntu&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chf 03:58 Keybuk ieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&query_based_on=Pending+Merges&field0-0-0=alias&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=%5Emerge- 03:58 pitti Keybuk: is MOM still running? some packages were already merged twice 03:59 pitti arghl 03:59 Keybuk trim and save that :) 03:59 HiddenWolf Keybuk, tinyurl! 03:59 Kamion if people want to take merges, they should feel free to ask the assignee, in general; sometimes the assignee will be happy to give stuff away 03:59 Kamion I recommend marking the bug ASSIGNED if you're actually in progress on the merge, so that people can tell 04:00 Keybuk yeah, I've actually done that a few times so far -- and stolen merges off people because they were in a package I wanted to touch, or just because I looked through the patches and decided I knew how to do it 04:00 Kamion anyway, we're out of time; any quick final business? 04:00 Keybuk oh yes 04:00 Keybuk mom is not running 04:00 Mithrandir why not? 04:00 Keybuk she'll start again once the current merge dearth is done, if there's time before UVF 04:00 pitti makes sense IMHO 04:00 Keybuk otherwise it's a "SHIT KEEPS FALLING!" problem 04:00 pitti otherwise it's hard to tell which packages were merged three times, and which never 04:02 Keybuk http://www.lag.net/random/leisure-c.jpg 04:02 Kamion let's try to get that down below 20 or so for next week, then (unless MOM is restarted) 04:02 Kamion (making some allowance for the brutally hard ones here) 04:02 Keybuk right, everyone only needs to do about 10-15 each 04:03 JaneW Thanks everyone that ran pretty well, I'll try to get the sheet updated and published during tomorrow 04:03 Kamion if you have no merge bugs assigned, look for ones you want to steal 04:03 pitti Kamion: some are blocked by stuff (e. g. thunderbird locale packages for tbird 1.5, etc.) 04:03 Kamion pitti: hence allowance 04:03 JaneW in absence of most of the meeting updates, I will keep last week's ones on the list 04:03 pitti thanks everyone 04:03 Kamion ok, thank you all; *ding* meeting closed
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