DapperDev_2005-12-01
09:03 mdz good morning 09:03 JaneW hi mdz 09:03 ogra hey mdz 09:04 fabbione dholbach: right :) 09:04 JaneW we have appologies from mvo (hockey practice) and infinity (not feeling well) 09:04 mdz is everyone else here? 09:04 ogra we pretend to, yes 09:04 jbailey Just us dwarves. =) 09:04 JaneW I got advance updates from both, so will represent them 09:04 ogra hehe 09:04 Keybuk I'm not. 09:04 Keybuk Kamion isn't back yet? === Mithrandir throws jbailey his pickaxe 09:04 JaneW is kamion here? === pitti raises hand === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:04 JaneW and BenC? === ogra puts on his helmet to not get hit by flying axes === iwj decides to have it in the other client. Excuse any confusion. === Diziet [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 09:05 JaneW I had no word from daniels this week... 09:05 mdz daniels is on holiday this week 09:05 mdz Kamion,seb128,doko,Riddell,BenC: ping 09:06 JaneW seb is here 09:06 Riddell I'm at OSDL just now, will try to keep an eye on this window === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:06 JaneW and doko 09:06 seb128 mdz: ping 09:06 seb128 ups 09:06 seb128 pong 09:06 doko pong 09:06 Riddell daniels is somewhere around, jdub is about to give a talk 09:07 Kamion hello 09:07 JaneW hi Kamion === Kamion was off buying a car, just got back 09:07 ogra wow 09:07 dholbach Kamion: can we congratulate? :) 09:07 ogra family car ? === makx [n=max@baikonur.stro.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:07 janimo or a kamion? 09:07 Kamion perhaps somewhere where it isn't hideously off-topic ;) === xhaker [n=xhaker@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:08 JaneW are we ready to start? 09:08 mdz missing only BenC 09:08 ogra BenC is still missing ... 09:08 mdz sent him an SMS 09:08 ogra so lets go bottom to top today then :) 09:08 mdz let's start rather than waiting 09:08 iwj start> Yes please :-). 09:09 Mithrandir ogra: community people first, wasn't it? 09:09 ogra heh, yup ... 09:09 mdz by reverse order of first name, then ;-) 09:09 mdz Mithrandir: I think you're first 09:09 Kamion yes, community first, we had problems last week 09:09 Kamion because people couldn't stay around for the whole meeting 09:09 JaneW is sivang, lathiat or krstic here? 09:09 ogra is sivang here ? 09:10 iwj If they're not here now we can slot them in if they happen to turn up. 09:10 dholbach i pinged lathiat 09:10 mdz Kamion: people who can't stay around for the meeting can send in status updates via email if that's all they want to do 09:10 JaneW those 3 are the only 3 on the list so far, and mjg59... 09:10 iwj They might want to talk about their items. 09:10 mdz we're 1/5th through the meeting and have accomplished nothing so far. time to get started. 09:10 mdz Mithrandir: go 09:11 JaneW I think we should go on 09:11 Mithrandir openoffice-amd64: no progress live-cd-performance: bootchart-udeb uploaded, main inclusion report 09:11 Mithrandir is written and review asked for, will add to d-i lists once it's in main. Need to investigate size of bootchart + deps for live seed, we might want that in. 09:11 Mithrandir one-true-path: no progress 09:11 Mithrandir livecd-unionfs: no progress === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting media-integrity-check: in the archive, waiting for syslinux boot 09:11 Mithrandir menu resolution, but looking good. Might need some template adjustments 09:11 Mithrandir network-authentication: no progress, I've been thinking about how to do it, but nothing solid yet. This week: a lot of faff and merges, got dragged into a bunch of d-i 09:11 Mithrandir stuff when some kbd-chooser breakage was discovered and I spent time cleaning that up, live-cd-performance and media-integrity-check are both looking good and approximately on schedule. 09:11 Mithrandir Next week: some vacation, Fix up the d-i stuff I've been working on (kbd-chooser). Look at getting one-true-path implemented. 09:11 Mithrandir Blockers: media-integrity-check blocked on syslinux menu, but apart from that, nothing 09:11 Mithrandir s/Blockers/Blocked on/ 09:12 mdz Mithrandir: livecd-unionfs is approximately blocked on simplified-livecd 09:12 Kamion (the kbd-chooser stuff is needed for ubuntu-express-base-system) 09:12 mdz Mithrandir: it is looking increasingly like I won't have time to do that properly. how do you feel about taking it on? 09:12 Mithrandir mdz: I haven't read the spec, give me a few minutes to skim it? 09:13 mdz JaneW: Mithrandir and me to discuss simplified-livecd later 09:13 mdz seb128: you're next 09:13 JaneW ok 09:13 seb128 menus-revisited: no update this week (todo: oo.o2 to upload) 09:13 seb128 rhythmbox-ipod: fixed libgpod according to pitti's comments, got it promoted, updated rhythmbox to the new 0.9.2 using it 09:13 seb128 faster-gnome-startup: gconf transition is done/ok 09:13 seb128 dapper-desktop-plan: started to look on changes, spoke with desktop team/upstream about some of them. 09:13 seb128 video-playback: no update this week (still waiting for gst0.10) 09:13 seb128 misc: desktop bug triage, syncs, fixed GNOME packages for firefox1.5, some new GNOME updates/sync with Debian 09:13 seb128 next week: dapper-desktop plan, continue the desktop bug triage 09:13 mdz seb128: what remains for faster-gnome-startup? 09:14 seb128 not a lot 09:14 mdz to be finished next week then? 09:14 seb128 probably 09:14 mdz ok 09:14 mdz Keybuk: next 09:14 Keybuk udev-roadmap: done, uploaded, the big bugs shaken out. hardware-activation: beginning, alsa, hdparm and networking to 09:14 Keybuk become udev events; ntpdate to become if-up.d script. those are the most tested and easy to do. streamlined-boot: planned on my whiteboard, need to dump onto 09:14 Keybuk wiki. mostly moving rcS stuff about a bit and removing some extraneous messages 09:14 Keybuk network-magic: no progress. 09:14 Keybuk misc: one merge remaining (sysvinit, to be done with streamlined-boot). dpkg conffile handling still to fix. 09:15 iwj Do you want me to `help' with the dpkg conffile thing ? 09:15 mdz Keybuk: remember to get that -devel-announce email out 09:15 Keybuk yup, I'll send that out this evening 09:15 mdz Keybuk: that should go out today; we've already broken things 09:15 mdz ok 09:16 Keybuk iwj: I already have the fix, just need to get around to testing and uploading 09:16 mdz ok 09:16 mdz ogra: next 09:16 iwj OK. In general feel free to bother me. 09:16 ogra * thin-client-sound: initscript for the client side and package work done locally, spec pending. 09:16 ogra * thin-client-local-devices: no further work yet, spec still in drafting. * thin-client-memory-usage: was waiting for the new 09:16 ogra initramfs/udev/kernel architecture for modlue blacklist testing, spec pending. 09:16 ogra * thin-client-faster-startup: mainly bug hunting in the new initramfs, works fine now, thanks Keybuk, spec pending. 09:16 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no further work done yet, package ready so far, need images. * general: waved in the multiarch-client patch and uploaded bzr 09:16 ogra branch for mdz inspection. gobby main inclusion report for edubuntu done (looks like we'll get gobby 0.3.0 exclusively for ubuntu according to pkern (upstream and DD)). last weeks goals: requested changes to ldm done and sent to mdz, thin-client sound initscript done, packge data for ltsp-sound (changes to control and rules file) added (locally not yet online) 09:16 ogra in bzr, etherboot: mknbi seems not to produce usable images (only tested with breezy yet) needs further investigation (also with the new kernel), liveCD filesystem prepared but waits for ubuntu-desktop/edubuntu-desktop being installable, xscreensaver merge done, selected hacks in xscreensaver-data are working with gnome-screensaver now. mailed gnome-screensaver upstream (will provide a patch for lockscreen), edubuntu ready for flight2 09:16 ogra (considering to drop kino from the desktop since video on ltsp clients sucks), all merge bugs done o far, will propose to drop gtk-qt-engines its not supportable for 3 years, upstream works very slow and doesnt fix bugs (not even the ones with patches) it seems, gnome 09:16 ogra -screensaver not in main yet, will wait until after flight 2 and for (#3044). * next weeks goals: find out the bugs and fix the Xorg autodetection on thin clients, finish the ltsp sound stuff, fix what mdz sends back to me of my ldm/multiarch stuff, do the xscreensaver hack split 09:16 ogra for #3044, finally get gnome-screnesaver to main, inspect the mknbi/etherboot problem, get the liveCD ready and test edubuntu fledgling1 (dapper flight 2) live and install, start working on hwdb-client changes, inspect changes that have to be done 09:16 ogra to edubuntu-artwork for dapper. 09:17 mdz ogra: isn't there a spec associated with gnome-screensaver integration (not the image one)? 09:18 ogra mdz, we decided at ubz that we'll drop it 09:18 seb128 ogra: could you use screensaver-list when you mail gnome-screensaver upstream? 09:18 ogra since is a general item thats done every release 09:18 ogra seb128, will do 09:18 seb128 cool 09:18 mdz ogra: we who? please keep it active for tracking purposes 09:18 mdz there are several subsidiary tasks associated with it 09:18 ogra mdz, JaneW, jdub, etc ... 09:19 ogra mdz, the spec was about the lock dialog.... where there was consensus that it just should be reverted upstream 09:19 ogra i.e. look like the breezy one or like it looked before they made changes for us 09:19 mdz JaneW: ogra, me, sbalneav to discuss local devices. it doesn't look like this is going to make it for dapper 09:20 mdz ogra: I mean the transition from xscreensaver to gnome-screensaver 09:20 ogra mdz, yup ... 09:20 JaneW mdz: erk, ok 09:20 mdz JaneW: it's big and complicated and still not well specified yet 09:20 mdz JaneW: do you have a snippet from mvo? 09:21 JaneW yes ogra: (alpha CD branding for derivatives typically tracks the real 09:21 Kamion one to avoid hideous confusion on cdimage, so I'd prefer "Edubuntu Flight CD 2") 09:21 JaneW mvo: * the usual dance of mail/bug triage/irc 09:21 JaneW * upload new apt/python-apt/gdebi + all depenencies (apt abi break) 09:21 JaneW * gdebi is in the archive, that means one bit of the 3rdPartyPackages 09:21 JaneW spec is implemented (still needs testing) 09:21 JaneW [Support for packages by third parties in external repos] 09:21 JaneW * build a package for unattended-upgrades script, not yet integrated 09:21 JaneW into the APT::Periodic system 09:21 JaneW [Unattended package upgrades] 09:21 JaneW * started with the dist-upgrade tool, extended/cleaned up 09:21 JaneW update-manager (u-m is responsible for detecting new releases and 09:21 JaneW downloading the actual script) 09:21 JaneW it detects new releases now, can download/display release notes and 09:21 JaneW download/extract the upgrade script tarball (+ cleaning up 09:21 JaneW afterwards). 09:21 JaneW * some more bits of python-apt supported where needed for the 09:21 JaneW update-manager changes 09:21 JaneW * cmd-not-found magic work with zyga, we have a package now for it, a 09:22 JaneW (small) patch for bash was submited to make integration smoother 09:22 JaneW * changed language selector to implement the LanguagePackVsSupport 09:22 JaneW spec (together with pitti) 09:22 JaneW * update-notifier does not start when there is a admin group on the 09:22 mdz JaneW: please ask him to organize by spec name for clarity next time 09:22 JaneW system but the user is not part of it, implemented my parts of the 09:22 JaneW HideAdminTools spec [HideAdminTools] 09:22 JaneW Will do: 09:22 JaneW * more work on the dist-upgrade tool, the actual dist-upgrade code 09:22 JaneW comes next 09:22 JaneW * 3rd party packages channel work 09:22 JaneW * integrate unattended upgrades script into the APT::Periodic system 09:22 JaneW mdz: yes agreed 09:22 ogra Kamion, fine with me ... 09:23 mdz ok, sounds good 09:23 mdz doko: ready? === ajmitch [i=ajmitch@203.89.178.198] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:23 doko this week: 09:23 doko - toolchain-roadmap: gcc updates (3.4.5 final, 4.0 in a state allowing KDE to build on hppa), amd64-biarch blocked by glibc 09:23 doko - python-roadmap: python merges, started python-central update 09:23 doko - openoffice.org: started merging / updating to version 2.0.1. 09:23 doko - java-roadmap: merges done by charles, two left. 09:23 doko next week: 09:23 doko - toolchain-roadmap: amd64-biarch, when ready 09:23 doko - python-roadmap: python-central, start converting packages in main, get rid of python2.3 (start it ...) 09:23 doko - openoffice.org: try to build a first package. feedback for gnome-integration needed 09:23 Mithrandir doko: are you doing the ooo-amd64 stuff as well? It's a fairly easy change, I'd imagine? 09:24 pitti doko: what's the last point about? 09:24 mdz doko: what's python-central? 09:24 pitti doko: build OO.o 2.0.1? 09:24 doko Mithrandir: I can do that, but after the i386 package 09:24 seb128 doko: I'll send you a patch for oo.o2/menus-revisited, ping me before doing an upload 09:24 doko mdz: python-central let's us get rid of the pythonX.Y packages 09:24 Mithrandir doko: I can do it if you're busy, but if you could ping me when you have the i386 package ready, that'd be useful? 09:25 doko Mithrandir: yes, I'll ping you, if I have something 09:25 doko pitti: yes 09:25 dholbach seb128: i think gnome integration is more about clipboard functionality, or is that resolved already? 09:25 Mithrandir doko: thanks. 09:25 Kamion pythonX.Y-* that is ... 09:25 seb128 dholbach: I don't use oo.o2 and I don't know anything about it, so dunno if they fixed their bugs :) 09:25 pitti that should make it easier to drop python versions in the future? 09:25 doko exactly 09:25 mdz pitti: add and drop, yes 09:26 pitti yay 09:26 mdz pitti: see python-roadmap 09:26 dholbach doko: what feedback for gnome-integration are you looking for? 09:26 doko dholbach: just email to mdz 09:27 mdz hmm? 09:27 dholbach i don't fully understand 09:27 seb128 dholbach: clipboard is a fd.o spec btw 09:27 dholbach seb128: that was just one issue i could think of 09:27 dholbach (having read bugs about it :() 09:27 seb128 dholbach: I don't know what you are talking about, just replying to your comment about clipboard issue ... 09:27 mdz Mithrandir: you seem to have 5 merges outstanding; anything blocking those from being completed this week? 09:28 Keybuk Riddell has 17 merges outstanding, 7 of which date to before dapper opened 09:28 mdz doko: likewise for you, 5 merges 09:28 ogra i'm working on kino, will update the bug 09:28 doko mdz: no, two. three are pending 09:28 Kamion I only see one for Mithrandir 09:28 Kamion unless my search is b0rked 09:28 mdz doko: they aren't done until they're in the archive 09:29 mdz Kamion: mailman, sane-backends, xml-crimson, ia32-libs, courier 09:29 doko mdz: syncs are requested 09:29 Mithrandir mdz: no, nothing blocking that. One of them is a FTBFS when merging (xml-crimson), but the others are easy enough. === ajmitch has no main merges if you need someone else to assign them to :) 09:29 mdz Mithrandir: ok 09:29 mdz mjg59: you here? 09:29 Kamion I'm searching for alias matches ^merge- 09:29 mdz Kamion: I used alias substring "merge-" 09:29 pitti Kamion: I just search for 'Debian', that's usually quite fine 09:29 Mithrandir mdz: I'm debian maintainer (or co-maintainer) for mailman and ia32-libs, so those aren't crucial, but I'll get them done anyway. 09:30 doko gjdoc is blocked (FTBFS), will do openoffice-dictionaries after the oo2 packages === ogra just grabbed kino from Riddell 09:30 mdz doko: can gjdoc be resolved tomorrow? 09:30 doko Mithrandir: ia32-libs is/should be blocked by amd64 glibc 09:30 Kamion thanks to people for responding to my no doubt incessant nagging about merges 09:30 doko mdz: no, it's a compiler regression, fixed in 4.1 09:30 jbailey doko, Which is a next-week task. It's in my update when my turn comes. =) 09:30 mdz Kamion: thanks for incessantly nagging 09:31 mdz doko: argh === any [n=any@fac34-3-82-231-24-63.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Bye"] 09:31 mdz doko: please note in bugzilla if you haven't already 09:31 doko mdz: already done 09:31 mdz ok 09:31 mdz pitti: go hide-admin-tools-to-users: DONE: design decision was taken, sudo 09:31 pitti changes reverted; discussed further actions with seb128, who wants to do/coordinate the rest 09:31 pitti belocs-locales: DONE: fully implemented, new glibc, locales, and langpacks are in the archive language-pack-vs-support: DONE: mvo implemented langselector 09:31 pitti changes; PLAN: installer needs string change, then it's complete (something for Kamion, bug is filed) automatic-printer-conf: PLAN: much harder than expected in the spec, 09:32 pitti start upstream discussion about hal support and detecting unconfigured printers reducing-duplication: DONE: db4.1, krb4, are in universe, ucs-snmp 09:32 pitti about to go (if the hppa buildd condescends to build cyrus21-imapd); checked db4.2 removal, it's hard 09:32 pitti gstreamer-audio-backend: BLOCK: gstreamer 0.10 for creating the alsadmixsink automated-problem-reports: BLOCK: approval from Keybuk, would 09:32 pitti appreciate opinions from other people, too (elmo, Kamion, mdz) since this is very intrusive merges: DONE: non-blocked merges are finished, remaining ones are 09:32 pitti stalled by external reasons; BLOCK: tbird l10n packages for tbird 1.5, cdrecord for upstream version regression langpacks-desktopfiles: nothing done, no time; PLAN: zyga has some 09:32 pitti patches, apply and test them; if performance regressions are negigible, upload, else this requires further discussion 09:32 mdz pitti,seb128: hide-admin was not on seb128's list earlier 09:32 pitti rosetta-firefox-support, pmount-uber-alles, firewall: no change since last week 09:32 pitti plan for tomorrow: catch up with the huge amount of main inclusion reports, people start killing me about them 09:32 ogra mdz, it was in breezy ... 09:32 mdz seb128: are you going to take it over? 09:32 ogra SoC afaik ... 09:32 pitti mdz: he wanted to do the rest... 09:32 seb128 mdz: there is a small gnome-menus patch to update and desktop files to change than is a 10s job that I can do during normal upload 09:33 seb128 s/than/that/ 09:33 mdz seb128: ok, just wasn't on your list for next week 09:33 pitti mdz: the spec should be reassigned to seb128 now, maybe? 09:33 seb128 yeah, forgot about it 09:33 mdz pitti: yes, ok 09:33 mdz pitti: if launchpad lets you, do it, otherwise bug me 09:33 pitti mdz: and belocs-locales should be mine 09:33 pitti mdz: I can't reassign 09:33 mdz pitti: ok, bug me about that later too 09:34 pitti will do === JaneW can reassign 09:34 mdz pitti: decision has been taken to defer automated-problem-reports 09:34 pitti ok 09:34 JaneW let me know what changes from who to who and I'll do it. 09:34 mdz pitti: if there is a third party interested in working on it as a bounty, great, otherwise it's too much 09:34 mdz pitti: ok, bug JaneW instead :-) 09:34 pitti mdz: right, but it would be nice to approve the spec 09:35 mdz pitti: yes, but we have other priorities right no 09:35 mdz w 09:35 pitti mdz: but without an approved spec we can't even bounty it 09:35 mdz pitti: please note in bugzilla status whiteboard where merges are blocked 09:35 pitti mdz: ok, will do 09:36 mdz Riddell: there? 09:36 Riddell briefly 09:36 Riddell KDE 3.5 packaging and merges and libstdc++ transition and rosetta support 09:36 seb128 pitti: is that the spec about getting debug backtraces automagically? 09:36 Riddell next week, finishing all that off especially merges, update seeds, simplify-kde 09:36 pitti seb128: yes 09:37 Riddell also moving kubuntu-express to review seems to have slipped my mind so I'll make sure to remember that 09:37 seb128 pitti: grumpf, that would really make bug work easier to get this one done 09:37 mdz Riddell: you have ~16 outstanding merges, need to get those completed ASAP 09:37 Riddell mdz: scheduled foras soon as I get back 09:37 mdz Riddell: there are also unresolved kubuntu-related anastacia items 09:37 ogra or assigned to someone else 09:38 mdz Riddell: and remember to merge ubuntu->kubuntu seeds 09:38 dholbach Riddell: you want me to help with the merges? mdz: pitti and I have been doing that fairly regularly as part of 09:38 Kamion things we're doing anyway (like getting other stuff out of main, or udev-roadmap, etc.) 09:38 pitti mdz: I merged the seeds today, FYI 09:38 Riddell mdz: amarok is waiting on libarts-akode moving to main 09:38 Kamion (not to say Riddell shouldn't be doing it routinely, but) 09:39 Riddell mdz: the rest are new versions of kdepim libraries 09:39 Riddell merging seedsis included in my "update seeds" items === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-14-74.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:39 mdz Riddell: libarts1-akode | 4:3.5-rc2-0ubuntu1 | dapper | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:40 mdz Riddell: please follow up and see what's happening with it 09:40 pitti Riddell: promoting gstreamer0.8-mad will be hard, since we want to get libmad0 to universe 09:40 Riddell pitti: it won't be needed that's fixed in the new amarok which as mdz suggests I'll see what's happening with 09:40 ogra promoting gstreamer0.8-mad ??? 09:40 pitti ah, ok 09:40 mdz ogra: no 09:40 pitti ogra: anastacia 09:40 ogra phew 09:40 mdz ok 09:40 mdz jbailey: ready? * LocalesThatDontSuck: glibc parts done. Need to figure out best 09:40 jbailey way to handle locales bug reports. My guess is forward them to Danis Barbier for now and coordinate a merge monthly or so with pitti. * ToolchainRoadmap: Recovered from last weeks breakage, glibc built 09:40 jbailey everywhere now. libc6-i386 coming next week for amd64. LaMont to get back to me whether ia64 wants it, or if they're dropping i386 support. 09:40 jbailey * Other: Need to go through bugzilla and punt anything that's not glibc or lkh related to other people. 09:40 pitti ogra: well, the gstreamer package is *absolutely* harmless 09:41 ogra pitti, still a patented codec ... 09:41 mdz jbailey: is there a glibc merge pending or no? 09:41 mdz jbailey: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19180 09:41 jbailey mdz, Yes. It will come after all the changes that we're doing. The changes are blocking other people, the merge isn't. 09:42 mdz jbailey: ok, so just glibc biarch, glibc merge, administrivia and you're clear 09:42 jbailey Yup 09:42 mdz great 09:42 mdz iwj: next DefaultApplicationsFirefox: have applied (without trouble) patches from RH to make Firefox use Gnome MIME handling, but these only 09:43 iwj solve (a fairly small) part of Firefox's MIME problems. Work will have to continue. I am currently constructing another interim Firefox release for Dapper development to help with issues found so far. AutomatedTesting: Discussion in debian-* seems to have 09:43 iwj finished. Have spoken to Robert Collins about wider testing arrangements and am waiting for a straw man design idea from him. *BLOCKED* I hope to start implementation next week. Launchpad Client Certs (https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/SSLCertificateAuthentication): 09:43 iwj Proof of concept successful and written up on wiki (with full instructions, example config, etc.). Nothing more to do from my end (hopefully) except support Launchpad people with development and deployment. 09:43 iwj ThinClientLocalDevices: spec is still in Drafting. *BLOCKED* 09:43 iwj DeveloperDocumentation: Not started, not blocked. Firefox maintenance: See above. The current package has several 09:43 iwj problems. I'm aiming for a new release on Friday (tomorrow) which will have fixes for whatever I can get done by then. Others: no more ancient 7.07 gs-esp horror; not seen many problems 09:43 iwj with gs-gpl and gs-esp 8.15; yay. Merged mozilla (security fix), no problem. 09:44 mdz iwj: can the firefox patches land in dapper without waiting for further work? 09:44 mdz iwj: it would be good to see how that looks 09:44 iwj Yes. The RH patch will be in my upload, I hope tomorrow. 09:44 mdz iwj: re: automated testing, are you saying you're blocked on robert? 09:44 iwj You're probably going to be disappointed. It doesn't change the dialogue or anything; it just changes where it gets the data from. 09:44 iwj Yes, blocked on Robert. 09:45 iwj The RH patch is relatively sane and I'm happy to carry it. So we'll definitely get at least that far. 09:45 mdz iwj: you have only one merge remaining (mozilla), is it blocked? 09:45 iwj I might try to tart it up to make it a #ifdef for upstream. 09:45 iwj Err, I must have forgotten to close the bug. 09:45 iwj Unless I forgot to upload it too. I will check. 09:45 mdz using the right apps would be a pretty good start 09:46 mdz for firefox mime 09:46 iwj mdz: Right. It'll use the Gnome ones _most of the time_ but it's still on crack. 09:46 mdz urgh 09:46 mdz we'll do the best we can with it; if there's a lot of code to be written, it may not be feasible for us 09:46 iwj It uses all of (a) HTTP Content-Type (b) filename extension (c) file contents, in bizarre ways. 09:47 mdz automated testing would take precedence in that case 09:47 iwj Absolutely. I don't want any giant 50000-line patch nightmare. 09:47 mdz ok 09:47 mdz fabbione: next? 09:47 fabbione yup 09:47 fabbione * server-candy: still waiting for jdub to make the mailing list, otherwise no progress since last week. 09:47 fabbione * ubuntu-cluster: made local packages of new ocfs2 tools. need testing. * installer-volume-management: Implemented. There is one (minor 09:47 fabbione corner case) bug that is giving me headacke to fix. Otherwise it ROCKS. 09:47 fabbione * probe-for-root-filesystem: blocked by udev till today (possibly upcoming d-i changes). 09:47 fabbione * boot-from-usb: blocked by probe-for-root-filesystem. 09:47 fabbione * last week: done with my merging, one (zlib) is stalled on some libc6-i386-dev-something. * next week: try to kill the last installer-volume-management bug, 09:47 fabbione cluster love to the tools we already have and server-candy full speed. 09:48 mdz libc6-i386-dev-something? 09:48 elmo fabbione: file the list request in RT, you don't need to wait on jdub 09:48 fabbione mdz: i couldn't remember the exact name of the package, it's the libc6 biarch transition jbailey mentioned before 09:48 doko fabbione: no, just make it libc6-i386-dev | ia32-libs-dev 09:48 mdz fabbione: if you don't get the list by Monday, ping me about it 09:49 fabbione elmo: ah ok! 09:49 mdz fabbione: or better, what elmo said 09:49 fabbione elmo: i wasn't aware of that. 09:49 fabbione elmo: will do asap 09:49 fabbione mdz: thanks. 09:49 fabbione doko: dude. you told me to wait and i am waiting 09:49 doko fabbione: even better :) 09:49 mdz fabbione,doko: ok, you two can discuss that out of band. we're running short on time 09:49 fabbione ok 09:49 fabbione i am done 09:50 jbailey mdz, doko, fabbione: libc6-dev-i386 for consistancy with other biarch libc6-dev packages. 09:50 mdz thanks fabbione, next daniels 09:50 Kamion vacation 09:50 mdz JaneW: do you have an update from daniels? 09:50 mdz Kamion: yes, this week 09:50 JaneW mdz: nope sorry 09:50 Kamion right 09:50 mdz ok 09:50 mdz dholbach: next * power-management-preferences: added explanations about the NEW 09:50 dholbach approach, that mjg59, pitti and desrt agreed on, asked pitti and mjg59 to have a look, didn't contact hughsie yet, although he made some notes on the wiki page * inclusion-of-docs: fixed a couple of bugs with mdke, uploaded the 09:50 dholbach new version, will continue with uploading new versions twice a week, mdke agreed on making the community aware of possibilities in doc proofreading/checking/participating * bugs-best-practices: added some notes to the Bugs/ pages, 09:50 dholbach community tested them on the last Bug Day and they seem to have "worked" 09:50 dholbach * a11y-*: apart from the meeting and the new mailing list (thanks jeff), no progress :-( 09:50 dholbach * this week: huge amounts of bug triage, community stuff (desktop team, motu), std allocator change * next week: more bug triage (we will get bugzilla clean next week 09:50 dholbach :)), organise a motu review day, tackle DesktopTeam/TODO, more merges? investigate with slomo a bit more on formal-test-plans 09:51 mdz dholbach: is mdke doing the trivial packaging work now? 09:51 dholbach they are focusing on docs 09:51 dholbach i helped to get all the path transitions done and the package out the door 09:51 dholbach it builds and is nice now (apart from having no translations) 09:51 mdz ok 09:51 mdz dholbach: is there work to be done on bugs-best-practices or is it basically done? 09:52 dholbach basically done 09:52 mdz dholbach: you have one merge open in bugzilla; is it blocked? 09:52 mdz gtkmm2.4 09:52 dholbach yeah, i'll do that one 09:52 mdz ok, this week please 09:52 dholbach right 09:52 mdz thanks 09:52 mdz Kamion: next ue-partitioning-tool: Finished and uploaded first cut at 09:52 Kamion partman.deb, which shockingly seems to almost work if you know how to drive it. ubuntu-express-*, ue-*: niemeyer and I sorted out last week's 09:52 Kamion svn2bzr bug, so I nearly have a working import; just waiting for Guadalinex to actually make their dump sufficiently up-to-date now (pinged them again today). No other progress. cd-bootloader: Reviewed gfxboot patch; found it hideous and infeasible to port to 3.11 myself. Talked to SuSE folks about 09:53 Kamion getting a gfxboot patch for syslinux 3.11; I have this in my hands now and it's much better and doesn't break text mode at least, but I haven't quite had time to set up a graphical mode yet. 09:53 Kamion cd-build-process: No progress (nothing urgent left here). misc: Finished my merges. Lots of work on the big move to 2.6.15, which has consumed a big fraction of my time this week. I have a 09:53 Kamion working installer nearly ready to go now; the live CD will take a little longer to get working again since we're now using initramfs in d-i. Minor bug-fixes to pcmciautils, which I packaged week-before-last. next-week: Finish move of installer and live CD to 2.6.15; upload gfxboot and get it enabled by default; try to glue debconffilter onto the front of partman (this is pretty much a torture test of 09:53 Kamion whether our UE implementation plans will work); prod Guadalinex until we can finally get the UE bzr import done and move on; archive-copier changes for language-pack-vs-support. With any luck, Flight CD 2 next Thursday or so. 09:53 mdz Kamion: the live CD is about to get a shakeup anyway (and need to be built differently) 09:54 mdz JaneW: Kamion should be in on the chat with Mithrandir and myself about that 09:54 Kamion right, but I need to make this one work for Flight CD 2 09:54 mdz right 09:54 doko Kamion: I'm not sure I have OOo2 installable next Thursday 09:54 Kamion incremental development and all that 09:54 Kamion doko: what's wrong? 09:55 mdz not building on all architectures perhaps? 09:55 doko Kamion: I would have to rebuild the current beta packages, that would be possible 09:55 Kamion please prioritise that if possible; we need an installable system on a regular basis 09:55 mdz agreed 09:55 mdz need to move on 09:55 mdz BenC: you're up 09:55 BenC * DONE: Get 2.6.15 as main kernel (this has been the bulk of my work) 09:55 BenC * specs done: initramfs-updates, implemented kernel side to use update-initramfs script * specs dependent on 2.6.15 kernel: ubuntu-server-kernel, 09:55 BenC testing-server-hardware, preventing-hardware-regressions, udev-roadmap 09:55 BenC * goals for next week: ubuntu-server-kernel, and start of preventing-hardware-regressions framework 09:55 ogra edubuntu doesnt even have a working livefs yet, would be nice to get it done by flight2 09:56 Kamion ogra: similarly blocked, I imagine 09:56 doko Kamion: ok, I'll probably delay python-roadmap in favour of OOo2 09:56 mdz BenC: you have two outstanding merges, is there anything blocking them from getting done this week? 09:56 ogra Kamion, but you already had fight 1 09:56 BenC what merges? 09:56 ogra i skipped that one 09:56 ogra +l 09:56 mdz BenC: kernel-wedge and kernel-package, assigned to you in bugzilla for some time 09:57 fabbione mdz: we might not merge them at all 09:57 mdz BenC: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19041 http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19217 09:57 BenC I didn't know anything about it, so no 09:57 BenC but I can get on them this week, no problem 09:57 mdz ok, at both of the last meetings we've talked about the need to finish off merges 09:57 mdz needs to get done this week 09:58 mdz fabbione: you and BenC can work that out and let me know if there is a reason not to do it 09:58 BenC should be easy enough 09:58 mdz ok, 09:58 mdz JaneW: update from adam? 09:58 fabbione mdz: yup. it slept from my sight 09:58 ogra mdz, no chmj ? 09:58 JaneW yes 09:58 JaneW infinity: * last week: lost of work on linux-restricted-modules updating / fixing, 09:58 JaneW and getting to work with new kernels; sorting patches for a big PHP 09:58 JaneW security rollup (nothing big about the individual bugs, just that we 09:58 JaneW have enough piled up to do a bit release now); general buildd, merge, 09:58 JaneW and bugfix work. 09:58 JaneW * uplash/initramfs-*: Scott has released his lock on initramfs, so all 09:58 JaneW of these things will head into full-tilt next week. Expect to see 09:59 JaneW progress on all but (maybe) thin client usplash (that will likely be the 09:59 JaneW week after -- ogra, talk to me about this, the spec itself doesn't even 09:59 JaneW exist yet, and we should draft one). 09:59 JaneW * my outstanding merges: portmap was taken by Mithrandir, 09:59 JaneW initramfs-tools is currently heavily forked from Debian, and may not be 09:59 JaneW "merged", so much as cherry-picked to and from, mozilla-thunderbird is 09:59 JaneW waiting on my talking with the Debian maintainer about packaging Tbird 09:59 JaneW 1.5 ASAP, php5 will be re-merged with the set of security uploads 09:59 JaneW mentioned above, enigmail is waiting on the thunderbird 1.5 decision. 09:59 JaneW Feel free to fire up MOM again, as those (except portmap) are all (in my 09:59 JaneW mind) false positives for "outstanding". :) 10:00 ogra i wonder what we should spec about usplash on thin clients ? its only turning on the splash flag on the kernel commandline 10:00 mdz ogra: chmj is not present 10:00 ogra no special needs 10:00 ogra mdz, i see 10:00 mdz ogra: agreed, just turn it on and see if it works 10:00 ogra it does 10:00 ogra using it since two weeks here 10:01 ogra had timeout probs tht were solved with new initramfs 10:01 mdz ogra: if it works, let's just turn it on 10:01 mdz ok, we're out of time 10:01 mdz if there's anything else to discuss, mail JaneW to get it on the agenda for the next meeting 10:01 Keybuk should we turn mom back on yet, or leave it off until next week? 10:01 mdz we need to start on time next week 10:01 ogra mdz, its on in my ldm branch ... 10:02 mdz Keybuk: leave off until remaining merges are complete 10:02 Keybuk ok 10:02 mdz ogra: ok, I'll get to that next week most likely 10:02 mdz thanks, everyone 10:02 ogra fine :) 10:02 dholbach thanks matt 10:02 fabbione thanks 10:02 JaneW I will try to get the rport out during tomorrow, please update your estimates of time etc
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