DapperDev_2006-01-12
08:58 mdz is everyone here?
08:58 Riddell good morning
08:58 mjg59 Morning
08:58 dholbach hello
08:58 Mithrandir ehlo
=== Mez waves
=== pitti waves to mdz
08:58 seb128 hi
08:59 ajmitch evening
08:59 Kamion morning
08:59 mvo hello
08:59 doko good morning
09:00 ogra_ibook *yawn*
09:00 mdz JaneW: ping?
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09:01 mdz fabbione,Keybuk,infinity,BenC,daniels: ping
09:01 Keybuk yeah, I'm here ;)
09:01 fabbione mdz: pong
09:01 JaneW pong
09:01 infinity pong.
09:01 JaneW hi all
=== fabbione needs 2 minutes to write up
09:02 pitti hey JaneW, how are you
09:02 mdz does anyone know if BenC is about?
09:02 JaneW pitti: good thanks and you?
09:02 pitti fine
09:02 JaneW mdz: he is not but I have an update from him
09:02 Keybuk mdz: he only just joined #u-d
09:02 fabbione mdz: he should. he knew the meeting was today
09:02 JaneW mdz: I have an update from daniels and sivang too
09:02 mdz Keybuk: his client rejoins every 20 minutes or so due to
network problems
09:03 mdz JaneW: did he send you an update because he had a reason he
couldn't be here?
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09:04 JaneW mdz: there was no explanation or comment, just the update, -
testing-server-hardware
09:04 mdz JaneW: I see, please paste what you have for BenC and daniels
09:04 JaneW BenC
09:04 JaneW preventing-hardware-support-regressions: Build system tested,
will start
09:04 JaneW pushing builds this week. Afterwards will announce to the
community for
09:04 JaneW testing.
09:04 JaneW ubuntu-server-kernel: Done (marked implemented in lp).
09:05 JaneW Daniels
09:05 JaneW x-roadmap: x11r7 final in, polishing xorg source package for
imminent
09:05 JaneW post-fl3 upload
09:05 JaneW misc: broken laptop screen and dsl hilarity make for
interesting
09:05 JaneW availability, generally smsable within reasonable hours
09:05 mdz JaneW: what about testing-server-hardware?
09:05 JaneW like I said above... his report was -testing-server-hardware
09:05 JaneW I did e-mail and ask about it tho
09:06 mdz oh, I thought you were saying he gave an update for
testing-server-hardware specifically
09:06 Kamion oh you mean "minus" rather than a bullet
09:06 mdz ok
09:06 JaneW yes sorry, the hyphens confussed the issue
09:07 mdz ok
09:07 mdz dholbach: next
formal-test-plans: talked with BenC about
hardware-regressions, added Instructions on how to report
bugs from testing, referred to DebuggingProcedures; needs
09:07 dholbach fleshing out, but i consider the pages 'ready to go' - media
testing needs test files, jdub didn't want to have
example-content used for this, we'll link to test files from
Media/Testing
09:07 dholbach this week (done): package updates, bug triage, bug day, some
merges
09:07 dholbach this week (todo): motu meeting, more merges, bug triage
09:07 dholbach next week: bug triage, more package updates, merges, starting
apt-get.org reviews
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09:07 mdz dholbach: what's the reason not to use example-content?
mdz: jdub considers it as something "for end users" not for
09:08 dholbach "developers", although i said, that i didn't want to ship all
sorts of broken stuff, he didnt like the idea
09:08 mdz dholbach: it's something we'll include in the default
install, it's natural to use it for testing
09:09 dholbach he gave me the idea of investigating in the test files of the
gstreamer development team
09:09 mdz ok
09:09 mdz thanks dholbach
09:09 dholbach de rien
09:09 mdz doko: next?
09:09 Kamion that sounds like it would test the things that already work?
09:09 doko this week:
- openoffice.org: 2.0.1 packages built on breezy (for
09:09 doko breezy-updates?), start merging with unstable, renaming the
packages
09:09 doko - python-roadmap: python-central update, preparing snapshot
version for testing
09:09 doko - toolchain-roadmap: ia64 fixes, prepare for amd64 biarch
update
- other: syncs/merges, updates to new upstream versions,
09:09 doko eclipse update (needs mozilla-dev update), half yearly ISDN
updates, happy about ronne's disk space
09:09 Kamion or do they have an a-priori good spread of test files?
09:09 doko next week:
09:10 doko - openoffice.org: sync week, i.e. dictionary and locale
support (kurdish merge)
09:10 doko status:
09:10 doko - toolchain-roadmap: amd64-biarch (blocked on fixing a glibc
amd64-i386 self-bootstrap)
09:10 doko - toolchain-dapper+1: blocked by preparation of wanna-build
and buildd infrastructure (no change)
09:10 mdz dholbach: ping me sometime tomorrow to chat about it if there
is still a question, we need to keep going
09:10 doko - openoffice-gnome: not started, need an update from martink
09:10 doko - openoffice-help: implemented (no change)
09:10 doko - openoffice-spellchecking: not started (no change)
09:10 doko - native-java-gcj: infrastructure is ready, packaging of -gcj
binary packages not started
- java-roadmap: mostly done, pending are eclipse updates
09:10 doko (blocked by firefox-dev/mozilla-dev) and the native-java-gcj
support
09:10 doko - python-roadmap: proposal implemented, testing outside the
archive now.
09:10 dholbach mdz: ok
09:10 mdz doko: renaming = openoffice.org2 -> openoffice.org?
09:10 doko yes
09:10 mdz is there any real value in that? it will complicate upgrades
we cannot support dictionaries for both versions (1 and 2),
09:11 doko so we have to either derive for all dictionary package from
debian, or make the name change as well
09:12 mdz doko: is the biarch bootstrap an infinity task?
09:12 doko I don't think the change will be that complicated for the end
user
09:12 mdz doko: please talk with mvo about how it should be handled in
the upgrade tool
09:12 doko mdz: currently Mithrandir is looking at it
we've already gone openoffice.org -> openoffice.org2 in
09:12 Kamion previous releases, going back should be relatively
straightforward I'd expect
09:12 infinity mdz: I took over the "fixing glibc" task from jbailey while
he's off galavanting.
09:12 doko mdz: will take the upgrade with mvo
09:13 infinity mdz: Mithrandir had a poke last night, I'm back at it today
to see where it went wrong. :)
09:13 Kamion doko: are we using the python-support work being done in
Debian now?
09:13 Kamion (or working with them, I guess)
09:13 mdz Kamion: .org -> .org2 was sort of a mess; if they now
conflict that will be easier but still
09:13 doko Kamion: not yet, I'm talking with Joss about merging the two
09:13 mdz doko: is the help system bounty completed?
ok, great, there was a lot of good analysis of the problem
09:14 Kamion domain on #debian-release (which you saw, I know) so sharing
that would be good
09:14 doko mdz: from my point of view, yes, it does build. hope, it will
not break for 2.0.2 ;)
09:15 mdz doko: ok, please send me a reminder to deal with the payment
09:15 doko mdz: ok
09:15 mdz thanks, doko
09:15 mdz fabbione: next
* server-candy: system-integrity-check: fixed performance
09:15 fabbione issues. Deploy is blocked on admins (rt: #723). Started other
activities l
09:15 fabbione ike collecting 3rd party pkgs and so on.
* ubuntu-cluster: full upgrades of currently supported
09:15 fabbione suites. Performed some tests and bug fixes
(redhat-cluster-suite). Missing to test OCFS2.
09:15 fabbione * probe-for-root-filesystem: no progress. Probably needs
reassigment to somebody else.
09:15 fabbione * boot-from-usb: implemented.
09:15 fabbione * merges: zlib - still pending libc6-i386-dev, one merge
(partman-auto-lvm) is pending but nothing scary or urgent.
09:15 fabbione * last week: server-candy, ubuntu-cluster, boot-from-usb.
* next week: vac. Tomorrow i will be merging the last bits
09:15 fabbione around and testing OCFS2 so there will be no need for updates
at the next
09:15 fabbione meeting.
09:16 infinity fabbione: Is the zlib merge just pending on that as a
build-dep, but otherwise done?
09:16 fabbione infinity: no it needs to be done from scratch
09:16 mdz Mithrandir: do you have some free bandwidth to help finish
off probe-for-root-filesystem?
fabbione: If so, you can reassign the merge to me, give me
09:16 infinity your sources, and I'll make sure it's sorted within minutes
of the biarch stuff being unbroken.
09:16 Mithrandir mdz: sure, I can probably reuse some casper stuff.
09:16 fabbione infinity: i will reassign the bug, but i have no sources.
09:16 infinity fabbione: Oh, if it's Real Effort(tm), then you're welcome to
keep it. :)
09:16 Mithrandir mdz: give me a minute to skim the spec before giving it to me
09:16 mdz Mithrandir: great; the remaining piece is just to have it
mount by uuid I think. fabbione can fill you in
09:16 fabbione infinity: it needs to go in before UVF and i won't be here
next week
09:17 infinity fabbione: Oh, then reassign it, yes.
09:17 mdz fabbione: enjoy your vacation, have a good rest
09:17 fabbione mdz: assuming we are going, yes thanks :)
09:17 fabbione infinity: yup
09:17 Mithrandir mdz: looks simple enough.
09:17 mdz fabbione: you will take the time off even if you do not
travel, right?
09:17 fabbione Mithrandir: i will talk to you about it after the meeting
09:17 fabbione mdz: yes, but i will be around if we don't travel.
09:17 Mithrandir mdz: I need to get my USB hard drive back, but that should be
today or tomorrow or so.
09:18 mdz Mithrandir: ok
09:18 mdz fabbione: thanks
09:18 mdz infinity: next
09:18 fabbione welcome :)
09:18 infinity Last week:
* reducing duplication: Got MySQL 5.0 in, did some rapid
09:18 infinity bugfixing to get the packaging sane. (have joined the Debian
MySQL team to make sure it gets enough polish)
* usplash-initramfs: Implement dirty hack for this that seems
09:18 infinity to work fine. Eventually needs more work to do it "right" in
usplash itself.
* misc: security, initramfs bugfixing, new LRM, new PHP,
09:18 infinity livefs changes for Mithrandir, random
installability/buildability fixes in line with ongoing buildd
maintenance.
09:18 infinity Next week:
09:18 infinity * reducing duplication: Begin rebuilding all of main to use
libmysqlclient15, and kick MySQL 4.x to universe
09:18 infinity * splash-down: Should have time to get this one in this week.
* misc: - glibc amd64-i386 biarch needs bootstrapping (but
first, an irritating bug that Tollef and I spent several
hours on last night needs to be hunted and killed) - need to
09:18 infinity merge subversion_1.3 for the masses (doko's request, but I
agree we want it for release) - need to hunt down a kernel
frequency_scaling bug that's preventing my laptop from
working at full speed. :)
09:18 mdz the last update has a note for us to discuss mysql 5.0; I
think we're in agreement there per email conversations
09:19 infinity <nod> I'd say so.
09:19 doko infinity: any note about db4.4, or do we go with 4.3?
09:19 infinity I think we'll stick with 4.3
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09:20 pitti well, most packages should play well with any version, so if
we need to upgrade, there are no blockers
Sleepycat's upstream support is good (for EVER), so there's
09:20 infinity no concern there, and 4.4 is completely untested in
Debian/Ubuntu, so I don't want to risk it.
09:20 mdz infinity: sounds like we can call usplash-initramfs
implemented
09:20 infinity But 4.3 and 4.4 both have versioned symbols, so if we need to
bring it in, it probably won't hurt anyone to have a mix.
09:20 mdz infinity: livefs changes includes squashfs images?
09:20 infinity (I'd prefer not to have a mix)
09:20 infinity mdz: Yes, we have squash.
09:21 mdz cool
mdz: On amd64 right now, will turn it on on the other arches
09:21 infinity as soon as we've had a successful amd64 build that we've
tested and know works. :)
09:21 mdz Kamion: should be trivial to switch the daily builds to use
squashfs, yes?
09:21 infinity mdz: Already done.
09:22 Kamion mdz: already done
09:22 mdz is there a build available with the change?
09:22 Kamion (and yes, was trivial except for me getting it wrong the
first time)
09:22 Mithrandir mdz: it's also a trivial per-arch switch, so we can switch
ppc back to cloop if we deem unionfs too unstable
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09:22 Kamion mdz: on amd64, yes, but it doesn't boot yet for other reasons
09:22 infinity mdz: Yes, but it's broken due to initramfs messing up. I'll
build again after the meeting.
09:22 mdz ok, looking forward to testing that
09:22 mdz thanks infinity
09:22 mdz iwj: next
AutomatedTesting: Making reasonable progress on
implementation. Tester core is about half-done now. From
09:23 iwj last week: Apparently the IBM LTC are interested in this too
and there's going to be a call (organised by Malcom Yates I
think) - but this has all gone quiet.
Firefox maintenance: The package isn't quite so hopeless
09:23 iwj since my upload at the end of last week. Not working on it
this week (so as to get AutomatedTesting done).
09:23 iwj DefaultApplicationsFirefox: no change since last report. I
will pick this up properly when AutomatedTesting is done.
09:23 iwj DeveloperDocumentation: Not started, not blocked.
09:23 iwj Email and bugs backlog: moderate.
09:23 mdz iwj: what remains on DefaultApplicationsFirefox again?
09:23 iwj It's basically still buggy.
09:23 mdz hmm
09:23 iwj For example, it's hard to select a non-default application.
09:24 mdz did you have a chance to do that examination of epiphany?
09:24 iwj And I'm told it has a security problem with .desktop files.
09:24 mdz a security problem?
09:24 doko iwj: does Firefox maintenance include mozilla maintainance as
well (at least until mozilla-dev is installable again)
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09:24 iwj Apparently you can download them and then clicky clicky gnome
will run them.
09:24 iwj doko: It does in the sense that I'm not doing it this week.
09:25 iwj Yes, we ought to talk about mozilla.
09:25 seb128 right, GNOME will display the Name= of the .desktop as title
and use the Icon= and run whatever command is used
09:25 pitti ouch
09:25 iwj I haen't looked at epiphany yet. That definitely counts as
ff maintenance :-).
09:25 mdz do we need mozilla in main?
09:25 ogra_ibook pitti, ouch ?
09:25 seb128 pitti: we had this discussion on ubuntu-devel some months ago
I think
09:25 ogra_ibook pitti, you can only run existing apps
09:25 infinity mdz: No, it's on its way out. Once I split enigmail,
nothing's holding it in.
09:26 seb128 ogra_ibook: like rm -rf ...
09:26 Kamion ogra_ibook: with arbitrary arguments, and gksudo is an
existing app
09:26 mdz ok
09:26 ogra_ibook oh, yes
09:26 iwj I made nspr and nss come out of ff to try to get mozilla out
of main.
09:26 mdz doko: so mozilla-dev shouldn't be blocking anything, no?
09:26 ogra_ibook silly me
09:26 pitti seb128: hm, I don't remember that
mdz: currently eclipse doesn't work with firefox 1.5, ok
09:26 doko that's universe, but currently mozilla-dev isn't even
installable, and firefox-dev doesn't built on amd64 and ia64
09:27 iwj The 64-bit problem I will fix but not until next week.
09:27 mdz ok
09:27 seb128 pitti: what epy issue?
09:27 iwj This only affects things that embed ff.
09:27 ogra_ibook pitti, in the beginning of breezy there was a discussion
about autostart on CDs, i think it inherited from this one
09:28 mdz iwj: do you have an ETA for something basically functional
for automated testing?
09:28 pitti ogra_ibook, seb128: let's discuss that in #u-devel
09:28 iwj That depends on how badly ff eats me next week, I think.
09:28 seb128 pitti: Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:55:21 -0500, Subject: Scary
.desktop behaviour
09:28 seb128 pitti: for the security issue
It's possible I'll finish it and produce something
09:28 iwj playable-with the end of this week but I'm not promising
that.
09:29 mdz ok
09:29 mdz thanks iwj
09:29 mdz Kamion: next
09:29 iwj Of course there's hardly any tests. Just one example for now
that I'm playing with, sitting on my hard disk.
ue-partitioning-tool: Got partman running under espresso,
which makes the autopartitioning screen work. Basic progress
09:29 Kamion bar handling and chaining to gparted implemented. Some bug
fixes still required to make it all flow smoothly enough to
use, but we're getting close. Various UI changes in partman
will be needed further down the line.
ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Tollef has made /rofs
09:29 Kamion available to me with the unmodified file system; I've changed
the espresso code to use it. Agreed hook scheme for casper to
propagate configuration.
cd-bootloader: Killed scary timeout clock, fixed some video
09:29 Kamion mode menu bugs, and fixed syslinux to clear the screen
properly when switching back to text mode. Still to do: help
text and keymap support.
misc: Helped switch live CDs to squashfs (with Adam/Tollef).
I'm preparing Flight CD 3 now; exact ETA unknown but
09:29 Kamion obviously ASAP; help with testing appreciated, especially for
Kubuntu/Edubuntu; broken live CD boot process being fixed (we
hope) at the moment.
09:29 Kamion blocked: nothing much
next-week: merge catch-up; get espresso up to the point where
09:29 Kamion I can do a test install as long as I avoid the UI bugs
(should be feasible, I think)
09:30 mdz Kamion: what's the plan for the keymaps in cd-bootloader?
09:30 Riddell Kamion: I should test today's dailys for kubuntu on all
arches then?
09:31 ogra_ibook Riddell, you should do that every day :P
mdz: waiting for keymapper to switch to X keymaps (Tollef's
09:31 Kamion looking at this), then scrape out the list of keymaps in much
the same way as we do for locales and stick them in a menu
09:31 infinity Riddell: Test the installation CDs, don't bother with Live
until someone gives a go-ahead in #ubuntu-devel.
09:31 Kamion Riddell: what infinity said
Kamion: for flight 3, please poll everyone for items which
09:31 mdz should be included in the release announcement, especially
new features which are ready to test, and infrastructure
which needs to be regression-tested
09:31 Kamion mdz: if feasible and I have time, limit the keymap menu to
those optimal for the current locale
09:31 Kamion mdz: ok, I'll see if I can track down the guy who did that
excellent wiki page for Flight 2
09:32 Kamion DapperFlight2
09:32 mdz Kamion: did the flight 2 announcement go to -users and -devel
as in the past?
09:32 mdz Kamion: I'm thinking we should start announcing them on
-announce
09:32 Burgundavia Kamion, DapperFlight3 already exists and has content going in
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09:32 Kamion rah, DapperFlight3 already exists
09:32 Kamion Burgundavia: yeah, just noticed :)
09:32 dholbach_ sorry, flew out
09:32 Kamion mdz: -users and -devel-announce, and I've been warning that
it might be just -devel-announce in the future
Riddell / ogra_ibook / everybody who cares about live cds:
it's very, very important to keep -desktop installable, else,
09:32 Mithrandir you won't get new live images and stuff breaks. Also, make
sure to merge seeds, since we've seen that cause live
failures with user-setup.
09:33 Kamion I'm vacillating on that; a lot of people on -users aren't on
-devel-announce
09:33 Kamion Mithrandir> merge seeds *and* upload -meta to cope
09:33 ogra_ibook Mithrandir, yup, known here ...
09:33 Kamion (since the live CD build process relies on -meta)
09:33 mdz Kamion: a lot of the people who we want to regression-test
the Flight CDs are not on -devel-announce
09:34 mdz and people want to hear more on -announce
09:34 dholbach fridge-devel too :)
09:34 Kamion mdz: oh right, you actually mean -announce
Kamion: That could be changes, but since livefs builds are
09:34 infinity about the only real-world automated test we have right now to
prove that the metapackages work...
09:34 Kamion ok, can do; ubuntu-announce and fridge-devel then?
Riddell, ogra_ibook: you should be merging your seeds
09:35 mdz regularly, e.g. if you see an ubuntu-meta upload there are
probably changes you need to merge
09:35 Kamion infinity: yeah
09:35 mdz Kamion: sounds good
09:35 mdz Kamion: thanks
09:35 mdz Keybuk: next
09:35 ogra_ibook mdz, yup, i normally do ...
urgent-reboot-notification: Stole this spec off the nobody it
09:35 Keybuk was assigned to (it was linked from the udev-roadmap) and
implemented it.
09:35 Keybuk streamlined-boot: in progress; have designed new readahead
stuff
network-magic: ifupdown mods finished, need to test and
09:35 Keybuk upload. network-manager still blocked on infinity
(madwifi-ng) and jbailey (libc resolved patch)
09:35 Keybuk next week: the same, but more so; merges
09:36 mdz Keybuk: is there anything further in streamlined-boot which
has much regression potential?
09:36 mdz readahead should be pretty tame in that respect
09:36 Keybuk mdz: no, it's mostly just careful adjusting and tweaking
09:36 Mithrandir Keybuk: uh, you're doing evil stuff to readahead? What's
that?
09:36 Keybuk *checks his board*
09:36 Keybuk nope, definitely all the scary stuff is done
09:36 Keybuk Mithrandir: will discuss out-of-band if you like
09:36 mdz Keybuk: now that jbailey is finished with the biarch work, he
shouldn't be holding a lock on glibc anymore, no?
09:37 mdz should be ok to upload that patch
09:37 Keybuk mdz: aye, he said he'd do it a few weeks ago, then two weeks
ago, then one week ago
09:37 Mithrandir Keybuk: please, since I have evil plans for readahead magic
for the live cds.
09:37 Keybuk :p
09:37 infinity I have the current lock, actually.
09:37 Keybuk Mithrandir: ok, then we should definitely talk; straight
after this meeting?
09:37 Mithrandir Keybuk: sure
09:37 infinity Keybuk: If the patch is sane, toss it to me, and I'll put it
in the "fix the bloody biarch bootstrap" upload.
09:37 mdz infinity: ok, perhaps you can merge that ptach along teh way
then
09:37 mdz it's been discussed and agreed upon already
09:37 infinity Rock.
09:38 infinity Keybuk: Patch and/or bug# SVP. My INBOX wants love.
09:38 Keybuk infinity:
09:38 Keybuk http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2004-09/msg00130.html
09:38 mdz Keybuk: thanks
09:38 pitti Keybuk: does NM have a realistic change to make it before
feature freeze?
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09:38 mdz Lathiat: do you have anything to report on zeroconf?
09:38 Keybuk pitti: depends on infinity
09:38 Keybuk pitti: but I don't see why not
09:38 mjg59 NM is mostly a problem due to the kernel support at the
moment
09:39 mdz Mithrandir: next
09:39 Mithrandir openoffice-amd64: no progress
live-cd-performance: squashfs images are now produced, should
09:39 Mithrandir speed up the cd a fair bit. Readahead/inotify hacks are
being worked on, but not there yet.
09:39 Mithrandir one-true-path: no progress
09:39 Mithrandir simplified-livecd: almost there. keyboard selection is
missing, espresso integration is missing
09:39 Mithrandir network-authentication: no progress, doubtful it'll make
feature freeze
09:39 Mithrandir livecd-squashfs: implemented
09:39 Mithrandir livecd-unionfs. implemented, but has problems on
powerpc. I'm working on it with BenC.
09:39 Mithrandir misc: done a bit of d-i keyboard hackery so we can hopefully
switch to using X keymaps in both console and X.
09:39 Mithrandir Blocked on: nothing, I have plenty to do and work is
progressing
09:39 Mithrandir This week: Get simplified-livecd done, help Colin with
Flight3, hopefully some live-cd-performance hacking
09:39 mdz Mithrandir: let's drop network-authentication officially
09:40 Mithrandir mdz: defer for dapper+1, I guess, not drop?
09:40 mdz Mithrandir: drop from dapper, yes
09:40 Mithrandir sure
09:40 mdz Mithrandir: looking good, thanks
09:40 JaneW mdz: I just mailed you an update from krstic...
09:40 mdz mjg59: power-management-configuration?
09:41 mjg59 mdz: gnome-power-manager is ready, dbus is dealt with
09:41 mdz mjg59: you wanted some help from pitti?
The two things that are needed are (a) libpam-foreground
09:41 mjg59 integration (discussion on -devel didn't get very far, I'd
like some more feedback) and (b) support for hal to execute
privileged code
09:42 mdz ok, let's talk about that after I've slept
09:42 mdz mvo: next
09:42 ogra_ibook mjg59, look at my dmidecode patch from dapper
(b) is basically cutting and pasting some code from hald into
09:42 mjg59 a daemon that runs as root and has some generic dbus glue,
but I don't have time right now
09:42 ogra_ibook mjg59, err, hoary, sorry
Mithrandir: I think you can count casper/espresso integration
09:42 Kamion as part of ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem, not
simplified-livecd, for purposes of marking the latter
implemented
09:42 mvo Did:
09:42 mvo * apt support for multiple signatures on the release file
* gnome-app-install fixes, supports license display/accept
09:42 mvo screen for proprietary apps and per channel apt-keys now
[ThirdPartyPackages]
09:42 mvo * Dist-Upgrade tool:
09:42 mvo - more reliable meta-pkg detection/fixing missing one,
should work on broken caches as well
09:42 mdz Kamion: agreed
09:42 Mithrandir Kamion: ok
09:42 mvo - more sanity checking after it calculated the upgrade (are
the meta-pkgs still installed etc)
09:42 mvo - better error detection/handling on e.g. network
problems
09:42 mvo - logs it's activities
09:42 mvo - various hoary->breezy test-upgrades
09:42 mvo [AutomaticUpgrades]
* updated the apt-get.org fetching/test-building script (with
09:42 mvo dholbach) and ran a first test-run through all the stuff
available on apt-get.org (291 repos scanned, 393 successful
builds, 825 failed)
09:42 mvo Next week:
09:42 mvo - work on the ThirdPartyPackages spec (add key support to the
channels)
09:42 mvo - work on the AutomaticUpgrades
09:42 mdz mvo: is the dist-upgrade tool in reasonable enough shape for
community testing?
09:43 mvo mdz: very close. what would we test it on? hoary->breezy?
09:43 mdz mvo: sure, or breezy->dapper
mvo: just get some exercise for the infrastructure. write a
09:44 mdz simple howto and post to -devel-announce with a call for
testers
09:44 mvo yes, that sounds good, I'll do that
09:44 mdz need to hurry to finish in time
09:44 mdz mvo: thanks
09:44 mdz ogra_ibook: next
09:44 ogra_ibook * thin-client-sound: implemented (thank you pitti, for the
gstreamer magic!)
09:44 ogra_ibook * thin-client-local-devices: dropped
* thin-client-memory-usage: worked on forced 16bit xorg mode
09:44 ogra_ibook (not preseedable, as most of the xorg settings). looked at
nbd and the implementation for network swapping.
09:44 ogra_ibook * thin-client-faster-startup: worked on the initscript
handling, did more initramfs testing.
09:44 ogra_ibook * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no progress, still need
pictures ....
* general: done some further work on ltsp-build-client and
09:44 ogra_ibook ltsp-update-kernels (yaboot and kernel stuff) for ppc,
getting edubuntu-artwork in shape, preparing for flight3, did
some more dhcpd tests for the --next-server stuff
* next week: flight3 testing, missed the nfs timeout
09:44 ogra_ibook bugsqashing i had planned for last week, will do it this
week, last xscreensaver merge work before UVF, getting all
the local bits and pieces of ltsp into shape.
09:45 mdz ogra_ibook: any leads on the nfs timeout issue?
09:45 ogra_ibook not yet
09:45 ogra_ibook as i said, i missed the time for debugging
09:45 mdz ogra_ibook: if you haven't already, arrange to talk with BenC
about it
09:45 ogra_ibook since its a bug its not critical for feature freez
09:45 mdz it seems awfully like a kernel issue
09:45 Riddell ogra_ibook: what happened with thin-client-local-devices?
09:45 ogra_ibook Riddell, postponed
09:46 mdz Riddell: the spec was never complete, it needs much more
discussion and design woru
09:46 mdz work
09:46 ogra_ibook mdz, yes, i suspect the same
09:46 mdz ogra_ibook: thanks
09:46 mdz pitti: next
last week: caught up with a lot of security updats, caught up
09:46 pitti with bug triage, lots of urgent bug fixes, main inclusion
reviews
09:46 pitti no progress on specs (ENOTIME), but for JaneW's overview I'll
give the current status of the non-implemented specs:
firewall: long-outstanding bounty proposal, I do not know
09:46 pitti about mdz's approval status; no news from carstenh for quite
a while now
automatic-printer-conf: DONE: dynamic USB printer recognition
09:46 pitti implemented due to cupsys 1.2beta; TODO: gnome UI integration
requires to evaluate hal-cups-utils from Fedora, port it to
Ubuntu, do integration and tests; no blocks, no progress
langpacks-desktopfiles: DONE: implemented for .desktop files;
09:46 pitti PLAN: outstanding for .server files (will try to look into
this next week)
09:46 pitti plan next week: get an agreement about sudo help approach in
TB, last steps to throw mozilla out of main
09:47 mdz pitti: is there an actual proposal for firewall?
09:47 mdz scope of work and price?
09:47 pitti mdz: hm, carsten sent one ages ago, I have to look again
(don't remember any more)
09:47 mdz pitti: ok, if it's something I lost track of over the
holidays, please resend
09:48 pitti mdz: no price, but scope etc. is there
09:48 mdz pitti: thanks
09:48 mdz seb128: next
09:48 seb128 dapper-desktop-plan: default panel configuration changed,
"add to panel" changes will be uploaded today
other: load of bug triage, pushed some GNOME changes/patches
09:48 seb128 upstream before the feature freeze, GNOME changes (pygtk
splitted to pyobject/pygtk, etc)
09:48 seb128 next-week: dapper-desktop-plan, continue bug triage
09:49 mdz seb128: which other parts of dapper-desktop-plan are still
pending? can you estimate the completion of the spec?
seb128: I saw that mjg59 posted some concerns which I think
09:49 mdz were aimed at dapper-desktop-plan, please make sure that
sabdfl sees and responds
09:49 seb128 40% complete when the add to panel changes land today
09:50 seb128 that's menus-revisited
09:50 seb128 (mjg59 mail)
09:50 mdz oh, even so
09:50 seb128 yeah, will do that
09:50 mdz thanks seb128
09:50 mdz sivang: ayt?
09:50 seb128 for dapper-desktop-plan there is some applet hacking that
should be easy, and then the gdm changes
09:51 mdz Riddell: next
done: KDE security fixes, shipping breezy CDs, bug day
09:51 Riddell recruitment and support, CD testing, final few libstdc++
transition packages
09:51 Riddell zeroconf: avahi support added
09:51 Riddell kubuntu-express: browsing the current sources, touching up my
pykde skills
09:51 Riddell kubuntu-roadmap-dapper: CKJ support now complete (question,
should scim etc go into main?)
09:51 Riddell next week: flight 3, qtparted changes for kubuntu-express,
sudo wrapper
09:51 mdz Riddell: I'm happy for scim to enter main given inclusion
reports
09:51 mdz Riddell: I'm less clear on what we need to do with it once
it's there, beyond installing it by default
09:52 Riddell mdz: we have them so I'll link them from the to be reviewed
list
09:52 doko we be interesting to know how to test/use it ...
09:52 pitti Riddell: I have a pending main inclusion report for scim
09:52 Riddell I don't know if it should be installed by default since most
users don't use it, maybe ship only
09:52 mdz I've seen some email from a fellow who is interested in
helping us with input methods
09:53 mdz I'll see if he can provide some instruction about
testing/using it
09:53 ogra_ibook oh, main inclusion, any chance i see gobby reviewed pitti ?
its a listed goal for edubuntu
Riddell: the gparted --installer changes are (back) in now;
09:53 Kamion emulating that general approach for kubuntu-express would
probably be good
09:53 Riddell Kamion: that's the plan
09:53 pitti ogra_ibook: no problem security wise, I'm just scared of bug
reports that complain about broken documents :)
09:53 Kamion Riddell: does Qt support anything like GtkPlug/GtkSocket for
inter-process widget embedding?
09:53 ogra_ibook pitti, forward them to me :)
09:54 Riddell Kamion: I'm not sure exactly what that is, KDE has kparts
Riddell: the dist-upgrade tool is designed to make it easy to
09:54 mvo plug a new interface to it, we should talk about this after
the meeting
09:54 Kamion Riddell:
http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/PlugSocket.html
09:54 dholbach Riddell: wasn't there a blog entry recently about embedding
qt in gtk and vice versa?
09:55 mdz Riddell: thanks for the update
09:55 mdz JaneW: any questions or concerns for the last 5 minutes?
09:55 mdz or anyone else?
09:56 JaneW I was going to raise the TC local devices issue, but after
mails earlier I think it's not necessary
09:56 JaneW I'll give sivang's update...
09:56 mdz JaneW: I am going to throttle flint the next time I see him
09:56 JaneW mdz: thank-you ;)
09:56 JaneW Sivan
09:56 JaneW Updates:
09:56 JaneW 1)Already working on the main backup application GUI together
with finishing utility components.
09:56 JaneW 2)Finished the media device detection code. (to offer a user
to choose among available media targets to backup to).
3)I expect to be able to finish the project before FF which
09:56 JaneW is 23rd February. That should give me a month to QA and test
the work. (As well as by other community members)
09:56 JaneW Todo:
09:56 JaneW 1) Finish main application GUI and startup stuff.
2) Write code to allow notification through notify-daemon
about backup intervals. I had set up wrapping up libnotify
09:56 JaneW for python usage for this, but this may be dropped if time
does not allow it and I will use the gross hack of having
pre-made C binaries per the 2 notificatios I need there
instead.
09:56 JaneW 3) Code the dar integration bits.
09:57 JaneW 4) Code the mkisofs / cd burning bits.
09:57 mdz ok
09:57 JaneW sorry the above is for: home-user-backup
09:57 mdz right
09:57 mdz ogra_ibook: how does edubuntu look for flight 3?
09:57 JaneW please could everyone make sure their specs are up to date in
LP
09:57 mdz Riddell: and kubuntu?
09:58 JaneW I know most ppl have been good at updating statuses etc
09:58 JaneW also not everyone finished the est dev days and expectation
of delivery, we should still try to complete that
09:58 Mithrandir I wish launchpad had a way to say "this is 50% completed"
09:58 mdz JaneW: have you made progress with someone on the LP team as
far as getting a spec report export implemented in launchpad?
09:58 ogra_ibook mdz, should be fine ... -desktop was broken for a while, i'm
just pulling the first isos
09:58 Mithrandir some sort of rudimentary progress tracking.
09:58 Riddell mdz: should be fine, I just need to test the CDs
09:58 JaneW last thing, the meeting for the week of the sprint, can we
make it a sane local time instead of 2am?
09:58 Mithrandir now, stuff jumps from "approved" to "done".
09:59 Kamion JaneW: should the estimated dev days be remaining or
from-start-of-project?
09:59 mdz Riddell: have you tested some recent dailies?
09:59 pitti Mithrandir: you can use the whiteboard
09:59 JaneW mdz: no I haven;t taken that further, is everyone happy with
the report format and content?
09:59 JaneW Mithrandir: I did ask for a WIP at least
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10:00 mdz JaneW: I'd prefer that the old and new statuses were in
separate cells
10:00 Kamion JaneW: start of the working day would be good
10:00 mdz it's hard to read as is
10:00 Kamion (for sprint meeting)
10:00 JaneW Kamion: I think from start to finish for consistency
10:00 Kamion JaneW: ok, so what should we be updating?
mdz: been testing lives, which have had the authentication
10:00 Riddell issue, should be working ok now after seed merge but yet to
test today
10:00 Kamion likelihood of completion?
10:00 Kamion (and I agree, it gets a bit mad otherwise)
10:00 pitti JaneW: hm, I adapted mine to be the 'days left', not the
'total days'
JaneW: we also need that access control fix for targeting
10:00 mdz specs to a release, so that launchpad can be authoritative
for that
10:00 mdz JaneW: please follow up with kiko, find out who we should
talk to about spec tracker stuff since mark will be too busy
10:01 mdz and that's a wrap
10:01 mdz thanks, everyone
Kamion: expectation of delivery (i.e. will the thing get
10:01 JaneW done?) and estimated dev days (how long it;s expected to
take)
10:01 mdz and good night
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10:01 fabbione night mdz
10:01 mvo good night mdz
10:01 fabbione cya later
10:01 JaneW mdz: ok I'll pick it up again...
10:01 ogra_ibook night mdz
10:01 dholbach good night mdz
10:01 JaneW last thing, the meeting for the week of the sprint, can we
make it a sane local time instead of 2am?
10:01 pitti thanks folks, bye
10:01 Kamion 09:00 < Kamion> JaneW: start of the working day would be good
10:02 pitti JaneW: yes, pleeeeease :)
10:02 JaneW Kamion: ah right good, I opted for 10am, shall we make it
9am?
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10:02 Kamion I imagine we'll be doing start-of-day things anyway?
10:02 Kamion 9am+coffee = 10am, so I don't mind
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10:02 JaneW we'll need to decide if it's verbal, with report, or IRC as
usual
10:03 fabbione i suggest verbal
10:03 infinity verbal = violence.
10:03 sivang mdz: here now
10:03 JaneW depends how many on-line ppl want to listen in
10:03 fabbione so we can kill each other
10:03 fabbione :)
10:03 infinity Which is fine, so long as I make sure I'm not blocking anyone
by then.
10:03 fabbione infinity: ++
10:03 Burgundavia JaneW, please keep it online
10:03 sivang ah bad, too late ..:-/
10:03 mvo verbal has the disadvantage that external people can't follow
it
10:03 infinity Point.
10:04 dholbach i think we'll have quite a lot of verbal interaction anyway
:)
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funny
10:04 JaneW Burgundavia: I am happy to means I can cut 'n paste - less
typing for me!
10:04 ogra_ibook why keeping it online, the reports are public
10:04 infinity Online also makes it easier to hack in the background when
you're not the focus of attention. :)
verbal+minutes is fine too, but I think the minuter would be
10:04 Kamion somewhat overloaded with the volume of information in a
distro team meeting
10:04 infinity It's like two hours for the price of one!
10:04 Mithrandir verbal with paintball guns sounds good. So you shoot people
if they block you and stuff.
10:04 Kamion ogra_ibook: the conversation's useful too ...
10:04 Seveas pitti, we sort of had that on the Ubuntu NL spurt, but with 7
people ;)
10:04 JaneW pitti: we do that normally anyway!
10:04 Kamion Mithrandir++
=== fabbione will take his cluebat in London
10:04 pitti JaneW: I don't :)
10:05 ogra_ibook Kamion, true ...
=== JaneW will take rubber rocket with elastic launcher...
10:05 dholbach guys, you are agressive - didn't you have time to relax?
10:05 mvo HUG DAY!
10:05 pitti Mithrandir: you should keep them alive enough for them to be
able to finish the stuff you wait for
10:05 dholbach tsssss
10:05 Mithrandir pitti: paintballs don't kill. They just hurt.
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10:06 pitti JaneW: 'rubber rocket', I see. The Orion shop calls them a
bit differently :)
10:06 JaneW LOL
10:06 sivang JaneW: Thank you for reporting for me, in my absence :)
10:06 pitti JaneW: anyway, 10am is probably sane, after the initial talks
and tea
10:06 dholbach JaneW: i was reminded on sabdfl's latex lotion the moment you
talked about it ;)
=== sivang thought everybody forgot about that already :)
10:07 ajmitch dholbach: hehe :)
10:07 sivang ah ah
10:07 pitti ok, back to work. thanks to everybody
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10:07 JaneW bye
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10:07 JaneW pitti: what's ENOTIME?
10:08 Mithrandir JaneW: no time available
10:08 mvo JaneW: it just means Error No Time
10:08 JaneW oic, I was thininking 'not enough time' or suchlike
10:08 Kamion pretty much the same
10:08 dholbach JaneW: E<BOLDLETTERS> are usually made up "error messages" :)
10:08 JaneW ta
10:08 Kamion (or real libc error codes, sometimes ...)
10:09 Kamion (e.g. my house is ENOSPC)
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