DapperDev_2006-02-02
10:59 JaneW hello
10:59 ogra yello
11:00 Riddell hi
11:00 ajmitch hi
11:00 pitti moin
11:00 Kamion hi
11:00 dholbach HELLO
11:00 JaneW jbailey sends appologies as does mjg59
11:00 JaneW BenC: ping
11:03 dholbach JaneW: you should do a CALL in the room. :-)
11:03 Simira JaneW: are they sick also now?
11:03 JaneW you means SPEAK?
11:03 Mithrandir dudes&dudettes
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11:03 ogra dudettes ?
=== fabbione waves
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11:04 dholbach duderettes
11:04 mdz good morning
11:04 JaneW we are missing BenC still
11:04 ogra dholbach, sounds like a gay dancegroup :)
11:04 mdz should we do this in the usual way, or by more physical means?
11:04 dholbach ogra: haha :)
11:04 JaneW I had no appologies from him
11:04 JaneW jbailey sends appologies as does mjg59
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11:04 Mithrandir ogra: JaneW and Simira at least are clearly not dudes, but dudettes.
11:04 ajmitch mdz: it'd be nice to see the updates if possible
11:05 dholbach fabbione: woohoo! :)
11:05 JaneW mdz: the community asked for an on-line meeting as usual
11:05 mdz ajmitch: the report would still go out as usual, of course
11:05 JaneW true
11:05 JaneW mdz: but then I'd have to do ALL the typing ;)
11:05 Mithrandir haha
11:05 ogra dont we copy and paste all from prepared docs anyway ... ?
11:05 mdz JaneW: presumably everyone has prepared their reports as usual, and could
paste them in addition to talking
11:05 JaneW ok
11:06 mdz but we can do it here also
11:06 ogra lets just do the copy/paste thing here and discuss in RL
11:06 mdz mjg59 is apparently planning to drop by this afternoon
11:07 mdz no word from BenC?
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11:08 mdz ok, starting from the bottom then
11:08 mdz Riddell?
11:08 JaneW BenC: is prolly asleep
done: kpdf ported to poppler with pitti did not succeed with kword,
11:08 Riddell investigate kdm for debconf preseed issue (couldn't find a problem, neither
could kamion, needs further investigation), various kubuntu.org website
updates
kubuntu-roadmap-dapper: kde 3.5.1 all released, only 1 problem reported now
11:09 Riddell fixed, (working with backport Mez to get it backported), move amarok/kaffeine
to xine
11:09 Riddell langpacks-desktopfiles: investigated for KDE, looks possible if careful to
avoid kconfig/klocale loop
11:09 Riddell kubuntu-express: reading kamion's code
11:09 Riddell todo: more kubuntu-express, get network-manager working so I can investigate
getting knetworkmanager working
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11:09 mdz JaneW: your reminder went out with enough advance notice
11:09 mdz to set an alarm clock
11:09 JaneW mdz: yes about 18 hours before...
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11:10 mdz Riddell,pitti: is kword still pending, or is it not worth the effort?
11:10 JaneW Riddell: 3 of your specs are red as they haven't been approved yet...
11:10 pitti mdz: it's an awful lot of work, since it still uses xpdf 2
11:11 Riddell mdz: it's not worth the effort, we need to decide if we want to ship the pdf
importer or not
11:11 pitti mdz: which has completely different classes, etc
11:11 mdz (note that the approver doesn't get any asynchronous notification of these, so
if a spec needs review, the assignee needs to tell them)
11:11 Riddell JaneW: kubuntu-express I think is pending review by Kamion
11:11 JaneW Kamion: can you check it please? ^
11:11 mdz ok
11:11 Kamion ok, will eyeball after the meeting
11:11 mdz thanks, Riddell
11:12 mdz is sivang in attendance?
11:12 Riddell JaneW: simplify-kde isn't on my list but should be
11:12 JaneW sivan is not here: he has not made further progress but is still hoping to
complete in time for dapper
11:12 JaneW he'll let us know in the next 2 weeks is it is going to need to be deferred
11:12 JaneW Riddell: ok, I'll check that
11:13 mdz seb128: next?
11:13 seb128 this week: new GNOME
11:13 seb128 next week: dapper-desktop-plan, bug catchup, gstreamer0.8 out of the desktop
(gstreamer 0.10 rocks!)
11:13 mdz seb128: how does video-playback look?
11:13 Riddell seb128: can evolution-plugins use gstreamer 0.10?
11:14 mdz since xine is now split, we have that option if gstreamer 0.10 doesn't solve
the issues, right?
11:14 seb128 Riddell: not yet but we don't care about it, we can drop it
11:14 Riddell sorted
11:14 seb128 mdz: correct, but gst0.10 looks great
11:14 seb128 A/V sink is much better
11:14 mdz it works well for me, but I think we need more feedback
11:14 Keybuk gst plays all known videos of mdz sleeping
11:14 mdz seb128,Kamion: please make sure that it's mentioned in the next Flight
announcement with a call for video testing
11:14 JaneW Keybuk: heh
11:14 pitti gst 0.10 works well for me, too
11:15 mdz include a link to a sample video
11:15 seb128 and reactivity, switching between files, moving in a file, etc are much better
too
11:15 mdz (no, not THAT sample video)
11:15 dholbach :-)
11:15 ogra lol
11:15 Kamion mdz: noted
11:15 seb128 mdz: agreed, extra feedback would be nice
11:15 dholbach http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Media/Testing
11:15 Keybuk Dapper Dance.ogg
11:15 Kamion BenC noted lack of DVD support
11:15 mdz seb128: DVD support is coming, right?
11:15 seb128 it's known, plugin needs to be ported
11:15 mdz just lags behind
11:15 seb128 its not done yet but they are working on it, should be fine for dapper
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11:16 mdz ok
11:16 mdz seb128: thanks
11:16 mdz pitti?
11:16 pitti * hacked kpdf to use poppler instead of static modified xpdf copy
11:16 pitti * updated network-manager to work with linux-wlan-ng
11:16 pitti * cleaned up and updated locales and locale binaries
11:16 pitti * finished openssl transition for main (only package left is python2.3 on
ia64+sparc)
11:16 pitti * misc: various bug fixes, new gnome-volume-manager, some libdb4.3 transitions
11:16 pitti no progress on specs this week
11:16 pitti next week:
11:16 pitti * play with gnome-power-manager on powerpc and try to find a reasonable
solution for the event handling conflict with pbbuttonsd
11:16 pitti * finish langpacks-desktopfiles for .server files (together with zyga)
11:16 pitti * catch up on bug triage
11:16 pitti oh, and a pending PHP security update with Adam
11:17 pitti (some other security updates as well)
11:17 fabbione pitti: python2.3 is FTBFS because of aa missing B-D.. i will dig into that
later
11:17 pitti fabbione: yay
11:17 mdz pitti: how many packages are involved for the db4.3 transition?
11:17 pitti it's hopefully going into universe anyway, but still
11:17 mdz we could divide them up and perhaps finish in a short time
11:17 pitti mdz: oo.o is basically the only one
11:17 pitti oh, and openldsp
11:17 mdz oh, good
11:17 pitti ldap, even
11:17 mdz heh
11:17 JaneW pitti: there is interest in the firewall spec again - is it too late for
dapper?
11:18 mdz ltsp + ldap = ldsp
11:18 pitti but oo.o seems to be particularly hard
11:18 mdz JaneW: from whom?
11:18 pitti openldap probably uses transactions, so we need to be a bit carful
11:18 JaneW mdz: casten (original google bounty guy and Krishna)
11:18 mdz doko: is there someone we can bounty the libdb/oo.o project to?
11:18 pitti JaneW: I read the mail, but didn't followup yet
11:19 pitti mdz: basically, Carsten never get an answer to his bounty proposal
11:19 JaneW piti: ok let me know when you assess it
11:19 pitti s/get/got/
11:19 mdz JaneW: I don't think there is time to complete it by feature freeze; they are
welcome to work on it of course and we can take a decision then
11:19 pitti JaneW: it's not going to be finished for FF
11:19 ogra its pretty late ... less than 3 weeks, but if they are confident to finish it
....
11:19 JaneW mdz: ok thanks
11:19 pitti at least not the complete spec
11:19 JaneW pitti: it was just UI missing AFAIR
11:19 pitti but at least we could have the basic stuff working in dapper
11:19 pitti JaneW: no, it was 'just the implementation' what was missing :(
11:19 mdz pitti: that's my fault; I am down to 56 messages in inbox but that is one of
them
11:19 ogra heh
11:19 pitti it didn't work at all after SoC
11:19 JaneW oh :(
11:20 pitti but since Carsten had to do it for uni anyway, I hope that it's better
nowadays
11:20 ajmitch pitti: that's a shame, I've seen a few people wanting that (but without the
skills to code it)
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11:20 mdz pitti: please review the proposal; you can judge whether it is reasonable
11:20 pitti mdz: ok
11:20 mdz we can still fund a bounty for it even if it can't target dapper
11:21 pitti wrt openldap, I'll look into it if infinity can't do it soon
11:21 mdz we do want it eventually
11:21 pitti yes, agreed
11:21 mdz pitti: s/can't do it soon/doesn't survive/
11:21 mdz pitti: do you have a copy of the firewall proposal or shall I forward it?
11:21 mdz you were CCed originally
11:21 pitti mdz: I hace it
11:21 mdz ok
11:21 pitti have, even
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11:22 mdz ok, thanks
11:22 mdz ogra?
11:22 ogra * thin-client-memory-usage: initramfs netboot mode implemented
11:22 ogra * thin-client-faster-startup: final spec changes, approved
11:22 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no work done this week
11:22 ogra * general: ltsp debugging, traveling, sprint
* next week: debconf debugging (to be able to set VideoRam, DefaultDepth and
11:22 ogra other X values for the memory usage spec), implement ltsp faster startup, ltsp
bugfixing, merge the changes in my various ltsp trees. implement peres xauth
fix with mdz's changes. care for edubuntu-artwork gdm theme handling.
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11:22 ogra sadly cant update my specs... launchpad doesnt like me today
11:23 dholbach ogra: Mithrandir had the same problems.
11:23 JaneW ogra: thin client faster start-up is red, can you push the spec to approved
soon?
11:23 mdz ogra: is netboot the default for ltsp-build-client now?
11:23 ogra mdz, yup
11:23 mdz cool
11:23 Mithrandir dholbach: uh, what problems?
11:23 ogra :)
11:23 Mithrandir dholbach: the ekiga stuff?
11:23 dholbach Mithrandir: accessing your specs on launchpad?
11:23 ogra Mithrandir, LP
11:23 Mithrandir oh, yes.
11:23 dholbach :)
11:23 mdz ogra: if the launchpad timeouts are recurring (even after a reload) or
something other than a timeout is happening, send me the OOPS codes
11:23 Mithrandir it works if I go to +assignedspecs, though
11:23 mdz I'm not having a problem there
11:23 ogra mdz, will do
11:24 mdz ogra: thanks
11:24 mdz mvo?
11:24 ogra Mithrandir, oh thanks !
11:24 mvo Did:
11:24 mvo - AutomaticUpgrades:
11:24 mvo - testing
11:24 mvo - evaluted user feedback
11:24 mvo - fixed some packages that broke upgrades
11:24 mvo - send report about current status of the upgrade to ubuntu-devel
11:24 mvo - started to write a NonInteractive DistUpgrade tester to autotest problems
during the dist-upgrade
11:24 mvo - BIG problem: a single failed pkg makes a upgrade stop halfway through
11:24 mvo - misc stuff [gksu statup notification, HIGification on language-seelctor,
update-manager)
11:24 mvo - traveld, sprint, got sick
11:24 mvo Will do:
11:24 mvo - finish the non-interactive dist-upgrade autotester
11:24 mvo - gnome-app-install new-look branch finish and upload
11:24 mdz mvo demoed AutomaticUpgrades here at the sprint earlier this week; it's
looking good
11:25 mdz all you lurkers out there should test it
11:25 JaneW mvo: default apt sources? Is it still going to get done?
11:25 mvo and don't forget to send me logs if you test it!
11:25 mvo JaneW: yes, I'm confident in that one
11:25 mdz it's in braindump currently
11:25 JaneW mvo: ok good, approved spec please (or else straight to implemented) ;)
11:26 mdz JaneW: did mjg59 send any update? we can hassle him in a few hours if not
11:26 mdz mvo: thanks
11:26 ogra JaneW, thin-client-faster startup is not red in my launchpad overview ...
11:26 JaneW mdz: yes
11:26 JaneW mjg59 JaneW: Basically, everything's sorted - libpam-foreground and
gnome-power-manager need to be added to desktop
11:27 JaneW ogra: it's read cos it's not yet approved
11:27 Kamion as pitti said gnome-power-manager needs some work on powerpc
11:27 ogra JaneW, it was approved this morning
11:27 mjg59 g-p-m should be fine on ppc, hal may need some loving
11:27 mdz seb128,dholbach: do you concur re: g-p-m?
11:27 JaneW ogra: oic, excellent, thanks :)
11:27 ogra JaneW, (and has the right status in LP)
11:27 mjg59 And pbbuttons probably needs to go
11:27 pitti mjg59: event handling of pbbuttonsd and g-p-m should conflict, don't they?
11:27 JaneW ogra: I haven;t checked the changes this am yet
11:27 mdz if so, please go ahead and seed
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11:27 pitti mjg59: g-p-m depends p-m-i depends pbbuttonsd
11:28 mdz mjg59: still coming by later?
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11:28 slomo mjg59: pbbuttonsd is still needed for brightness setting etc
11:28 JaneW hi jbailey
11:28 pitti slomo: no, gnome-settings-daaemon does that for ages
11:28 mjg59 mdz: Yeah
11:28 ogra mdz, i'll care for the seeding ...
11:28 seb128 mdz: I didn't really played with g-p-m, maybe dholbach?
11:28 mjg59 pitti: Well, that can be fixed
11:28 mdz mjg59: ok, see you later then
11:28 mjg59 slomo: No it's not - hal can do that
11:28 pitti we already had to cripple pbbuttonsd a lot
11:28 seb128 s/played/play
11:28 dholbach mdz: a bit and it looked good from what i saw.
11:28 mdz ok
11:28 mdz let's go ahead then
11:28 pitti mjg59: so g-p-m doesn't use pmi?
11:28 mdz libpam-foreground also
11:28 ogra pitti, it does ...
11:29 mdz mjg59: thanks
11:29 mdz Mithrandir?
11:29 mjg59 pitti: It does, but that only needs pbbuttons to make one ioctl
11:29 mjg59 Anyway, we'll talk abou this later
11:29 ogra pitti, (hal does in fact)
11:29 pitti yes
11:30 Mithrandir openoffice-amd64: no progress
11:30 Mithrandir live-cd-performance: no further progress
simplified-livecd: support for putting the live image on USB stick/hard drive
11:30 Mithrandir added, support for persistency in a loopback (ext2/ext3/whatever) filesystem
on vfat added, keymapper stuff Not Yet There, now autoconfigures all found
network devices
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misc: distro sprint death plague struck, been having useful discussions with
11:30 Mithrandir Colin about espresso and how I can help once I get my specs out of the
way. Apache sprint was very productive even though we ended up with a
decision to not put 2.2 in dapper due to external modules not being ready.
11:30 Mithrandir probe-for-root-filesystem: started on it today, will hopefully be completed
today as well.
11:30 Mithrandir blocked on: access to popcon.ubuntu.com
11:30 Mithrandir (the blocked on is not for a spec, but for getting popcon going again)
11:30 mdz Mithrandir: is there anything from the original simplified-livecd spec which
isn't complete yet, or can it be marked implemented?
11:30 Mithrandir we don't handle keyboard maps yet
11:31 mdz Mithrandir: is popcon a sysadmin request? if so, please send the RT ticket
number by email
11:31 Mithrandir yes, it is.
11:31 Kamion (gfxboot passes the keymap - casper just needs to do something with that)
11:31 mdz ok, good
11:31 Mithrandir I think it's waiting for admins to set up a replacement for the current
machine
11:32 mdz Mithrandir: can we use probe-for-root-filesystem for casper-on-USB as well as
install-on-USB?
casper-on-usb is already there, and no, it's a bit
11:33 Mithrandir different. probe-for-root-filesystem seems to just need grub-installer
changes, not changes in the installed system.
11:33 Mithrandir Scott has already fixed udev to DTRT when you pass
root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/${...}
11:33 mdz Keybuk,Mithrandir: still planning to have a readahead chat while you're here?
11:34 mdz Mithrandir: casper-on-usb just searches around for something with a filesystem
image on it, then?
11:34 Kamion Mithrandir: yaboot-installer too?
11:34 Kamion though that might be hairier
11:34 Keybuk mdz: yeah, will still have that chat
11:34 Mithrandir Kamion: that too, but I can't test that in anything resembling a useful way.
11:34 Kamion open firmware being the weird-shit that it is
11:34 fabbione i suggest to skip ppc for this feature
11:35 Mithrandir mdz: with a fairly restricted set of "something", yes. It doesn't try to look
in ext2/ext3 partitions, for instance.
11:35 Keybuk Mithrandir: the caveat is that it doesn't work if you need ide-generic
(because it doesn't know to load it)
11:35 Kamion if anyone here has a firewire drive, actually, that might be useful
11:35 Mithrandir Kamion: I have an ieee1394 dvd-rw in Oslo
11:35 Mithrandir so, probably not useful.
11:35 Kamion not so much
11:35 mdz Keybuk: can we arrange for that to be loaded in this case?
11:35 mvo Kamion: I have one
11:35 Keybuk mdz: then it'd break your laptop
11:35 Kamion mvo: cool, will talk later
11:36 mdz Keybuk: I don't use root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/foo on my laptop
11:36 Keybuk right, but you wouldn't be able to use it either
11:36 Keybuk including whatever Tollef was doing
11:36 mdz the plan so far is only to use this method if root is on a removable device
11:36 Keybuk removable devices are always SCSI
11:36 Keybuk (in Linuxworld)
11:37 fabbione Keybuk: nope
11:37 Mithrandir Keybuk: udevinfo can give you the path, though
11:37 Keybuk fabbione: the IDE subsystem has no concept of of "removable"
11:37 fabbione Keybuk: you don't use IDE at all there
11:37 Keybuk Mithrandir: chcken and egg
11:37 Keybuk in practice this shouldn't be a problem
11:38 Keybuk if we only use /dev/disk/by-*/* for "removable" devices, then we only care
about the SCSI subsystem
11:38 Mithrandir Keybuk: how so? I'm thinking of doing it in the installer, where you'd see
the drive or not. If you don't see it in the installer, you lose.
11:38 Keybuk and that will all work fine
11:38 mdz Mithrandir: oo.o-amd64 seems a lost cause at this point, no?
11:38 Keybuk Mithrandir: let's discuss the problem with clarity in a bit
11:39 Mithrandir mdz: I guess so.. the current solution works, while it's not pretty.
11:39 mdz let's officially defer it, then
11:39 Mithrandir 'k
11:39 mdz dapper+1 material
11:39 mdz thanks, Mithrandir
11:39 mdz Keybuk?
11:39 Keybuk streamlined-boot: remaining changes are to the cleanup scripts and improving
readahead; no new breakages expected
network-magic: testing of n-m underway, when it works, it's great. going to
11:39 Keybuk modify it to work better for us, and then decide whether it's ship-able or
desktop-able. resolv.conf bug fixed in ifupdown, still to write iftab helper
for udev but it's high on todo now.
11:40 doko Mithrandir: how do the -experimental OOo2 packages work?
11:40 mdz Keybuk: should probably get streamlined-boot reviewed and approved,
considering it's nearly implemented
11:40 Kamion Keybuk: oh, we should sit down and sort out netcfg udev rule generation so
that interface names don't change between the installer and the target system
11:40 fabbione or between reboots. kthxbye
11:40 mdz Keybuk: maybe sit down with Kamion and go over the changes you've made vs. the
spec
11:40 mdz Kamion: I believe that's just waiting for Keybuk to implement iftab support in
udev
11:40 JaneW Keybuk: streamlined boot, is the spec going to be approved? - or straight to
implemnted?
11:41 Kamion mdz: that works too, I guess
11:41 mdz the installer can continue to write iftab
11:41 Keybuk mdz, JaneW: yeah, I should probably ...errr... write that spec ;)
11:41 mdz it involves quite a few different changes and would benefit from some peer
review
11:41 JaneW Keybuk: thanks, that would be good ;)
11:42 mdz Keybuk: thanks
11:42 mdz Kamion?
11:42 Kamion cd-bootloader: Added an accessibility menu for UbuntuExpress/Accessibility.
ubuntu-express: Uploaded an initial working-for-me version; and have spent a
fair bit of the distro sprint polishing away some of the really egregious
11:42 Kamion bugs. Made cdebconf and debconf coinstallable and added preliminary support
for using cdebconf here; initial testing suggests it doesn't provide really
noticeable speed benefits, but it may help avoid some compatibility bugs.
Started bringing Tollef up to speed on wher
11:42 Kamion e things are. Added first cut at a to-do list on the wiki (UbuntuExpress/ToDo)
so that Tollef and Jonathan can dive in.
misc: Some system-config-kickstart maintenance (I'm working on getting this
11:43 Kamion stuff into Debian so we don't necessarily have to worry about maintaining it
ourselves so much).
next-week: Shake up the Espresso component API to allow for running
debconffiltered processes asynchronously, which will let me massively improve
11:43 Kamion UI responsiveness in the first few steps. Start on the missing UI steps
(language, keymap, location/timezone). Thinking about killing archive-copier
by default since it's not all that necessary any more.
11:43 JaneW I have jbailey's update...
11:43 mdz Kamion: is there implementation work to be done for the localized help in
cd-bootloader, or just translations?
11:44 Kamion mdz: implementation, basically just file-shuffling
11:44 jbailey JaneW: Please, thanks.
11:44 mdz Kamion: ready for a live espresso demo after the meeting?
11:44 jbailey (I wrote it in the email to you and don't have it handy. *g*)
11:45 Mithrandir mdz: I'm hogging his machine for grub-installer foo, so preferably not. :-)
11:45 Kamion mdz: sure, will need a bit of prep time though since Tollef's stolen the test
box for other things
11:45 Mithrandir or at least not right away.
11:45 mdz definitely today though
11:45 Kamion certainly
11:45 iwj kamion: You can use this test box here ...
11:45 mdz preferably before lunch, while we're all focused together
11:45 Kamion iwj: ok, thanks
11:45 mdz or directly after lunch
11:45 mdz Kamion: thanks
11:45 JaneW jbailey : * ToolchainRoadmapNg: Led a group discussion at the Distro Sprint
with
11:45 JaneW doko - See http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/thinclient.txtfor initial
11:45 JaneW brainstorm. For those interested in participating, please see
11:45 JaneW http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/20060131_dropping-pre-i686_jbailey-doko.oggand
post comments to ubuntu-devel and put [small] in the subject.
11:46 JaneW jbailey: * ToolchainRoadmap: Providing timezones directly from upstream tzdata
11:46 JaneW going well. Targetting to upload tomorrow (Friday 02 Feb).
11:46 JaneW * LocalesThatDontSuck: Update from Belocs locales coordinated with
11:46 JaneW pitti. This will move localedef out of glibc and into a separate binary
11:46 JaneW package.
11:46 JaneW General: Distro sprint this week. Avoided the plague (/me knocks wood).
11:46 JaneW Spent time talking with Martin about Main Inclusion and support.
11:46 mdz jbailey: what remains on ToolchainRoadmap, for your part?
11:46 mdz same question for belocs
11:47 pitti belocs is basically done now
11:47 pitti with this morning's uploads
11:47 jbailey mdz: Just these last tweaks to make updating timezones not suck across 5
years. Other than that it's just the usual set of bugs.
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11:47 mdz pitti: ok, if so, please mark as implemented
11:47 doko mdz: ToolchainRoadmap+1: need to think how we go on with a breezy/dapper test
build
11:48 pitti jbailey: belocs had a separate spec?
11:48 jbailey mdz: ToolchainRoadmap+1 is behind because of the lack of test build. I think
it was due in December, but depended on Soyuz.
11:48 jbailey pitti: LocalesThatDontSuck is the wiki page. Lemme look up what we called it
in Launchpad.
11:48 mdz doko,jbailey: I see no reason why a dapper-autotest couldn't be done right
away, in terms of infrastructure
11:48 mdz (using katie and wanna-build)
11:49 jbailey mdz: How do we coordinate that?
11:49 mdz same as the last few times, via lamont/infinity/elmo
11:49 mdz soyuz won't have a snazzy autotest capability for a while; it'd have to be
done more or less by hand there as well
11:49 pitti jbailey: don't worry, this one is implemented for ages
11:49 mdz so no point in waiting for that
11:49 doko mdz: let's discuss this in person, it didn't work well last time
11:49 jbailey Cool, hopefully next week (subject to infinity jetlag and elmo time)
11:50 mdz doko: hmm, ok
11:50 mdz jbailey: thanks
11:50 mdz iwj?
11:50 jbailey pitti: Right. It's even called "Belocs-locales" =)
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11:50 iwj AutomatedTesting: Announcement to go out RSN; found a few bugs which I want
to get out first.
Firefox: Some bugfixes (including turning offesddsp) uploaded early this
11:50 iwj week. pygnome coredump will hopefully be fixed RSN. Anyone else have a
firefox problem they want to demo for me ?
11:50 iwj DefaultApplicationsFirefox: no change since last report.
11:50 iwj DeveloperDocumentation: Not started, not blocked.
11:50 iwj Death plague: I'm more or less recovered but I still feel very thickheaded
today.
11:50 Keybuk *ahem* ... X bug
11:50 iwj Bugs backlog: awful.
11:50 jbailey pitti: I'll look over the spec later to make sure that it reflects what we
actually implemented.
11:50 iwj Email backlog: none.
11:51 mdz iwj: pygnome coredump?
11:51 seb128 is that the gtkmozembed crasher?
11:51 iwj mdz: There's a bug which makes pymozgnombed or whatever it's called crash.
11:51 iwj Yes.
11:51 mdz ah
11:52 seb128 nice to get that one fixed
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11:52 Kamion yeah, I ripped gtkmozembed out of espresso to avoid that :)
11:52 Kamion (that code path sucked anyway ...)
11:52 mdz firefox (sans flash) has been behaving pretty well for me
11:52 mvo I use gtkhtml2 in gnome-app-installright now
11:52 mvo but ...
11:52 iwj mdz: Good.
11:52 doko iwj: there are Firefox problems on amd64
11:52 Mithrandir doko: oh, what?
11:52 iwj doko: Still ?
11:52 ogra not herre
11:52 ogra -r
11:52 iwj Where then ? :-)
11:53 doko iwj, Mithrandir: still the same as reported in launchpad, looking up the
number ...
11:53 dholbach Is there any upstream bug about pygtkmozembed?
11:54 iwj dholbach: Not that I know of but I haven't had a thorough look.
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11:54 mdz ok
11:54 mdz infinity is bedridden
11:54 mdz thanks iwj
11:54 mdz fabbione?
11:54 fabbione sec
11:54 fabbione vim died
11:55 ajmitch this plague sounds serious
11:55 fabbione * server-candy: done last cleanup for system-integrity-check still blocked on
admins to prepare the server.
11:55 fabbione * ubuntu-cluster: no progress.
11:55 fabbione * boot-from-usb: implemented.
11:55 fabbione * last week: Apache2.2 sprint, distro sprint. Details have gone into Jane's
reports.
* this week: distro sprint: server candy work and a lot of small things: fix a
few FTBFS, fixed a kernel regression in .12 for a scsi driver that made the
11:55 fabbione system unbootable (needs porting to dapper). Created ubuntu-x-swat team for X
server maintainance (suicide is less painful). Started looking at X... no
really..
11:55 fabbione * next week: world peace.
11:55 JaneW mdz: I'll get an update from infinity if he emerges
11:55 ogra uh, he switched to gentoo ?
11:55 ajmitch ogra: bad pun
11:55 ogra :)
11:55 mdz fabbione: is server-candy blocked, or not? you say it's blocked, but that you
will work on it this week
11:56 fabbione mdz: i cannot upload to the archive is the admins do not provide the server.
11:56 fabbione mdz: i can still do code cleanup and test locally
11:56 fabbione but clearly it would be nice that if i can actually get a wide spreaded test
11:56 fabbione RT#723
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11:58 mdz sysadmin has some high priority things coming in right now due to soyuz and
sparc, but I'll see what can be done
11:58 mdz meanwhile, X bugs need your sweet loving
11:58 fabbione mdz: yes i know about that. tho 723 is from UBZ or so
11:59 mdz fabbione: yes, but we need to deal with the present :-)
11:59 fabbione mdz: yeah i know.. please reassing them to the SWAT team
11:59 mdz fabbione: thanks for updates
11:59 mdz doko?
11:59 doko [status]
11:59 doko - no changes from last week, besides
11:59 doko - openoffice.org: don't stick with 2.0.1, but start working
11:59 doko on upgrades to current milestones leading to 2.0.2.
11:59 doko [this week]
11:59 doko - distrosprint
11:59 doko - fixing sparc specific bugs
11:59 doko - practical virus testing (should be fixed now)
11:59 doko [still to do for this week]
11:59 doko - ISDN testing, together with mvo
11:59 mdz doko: openoffice-gnome?
12:00 doko mdz: the martink bounty?
12:00 mdz doko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOfficeGnome
12:00 mdz marked approved, high priority in LP
12:01 mdz doko: regarding martink, if he completed the work to your satisfaction, please
send me mail to that effect so that we can close out the bounty
12:01 JaneW doko: java-roadmap spec still needs to be approved...
12:02 mdz I'm the approver on that one, didn't realize it was pending
12:02 mdz er
12:02 JaneW tsk tsk, we really need that auto-mailer functionality...
12:02 mdz the link from LP to the spec is broken
12:02 mdz there is no JavaRoadmap in the wiki, hence nothing to approve
mdz: the "my defaults" are underspecified, a suggestion from a user. font
12:02 doko hinting was low priority, there's a workaround using environment variables,
but not gnome integration
12:03 JaneW https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/JavaRoadmap ?
12:03 doko JaneW, mdz: java-roadmap is low priority, as descriobed, will work on an
openoffice.org2 specific solution as it's done for eclipse
12:04 JaneW and LP spec https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/java-roadmap
12:04 mdz doko: regarding openoffice-gnome, is there work that can be done or no?
12:04 mdz if so, it's high priority, otherwise, must be deferred
12:05 mdz JaneW: that wiki page looks like the old JavaRoadmap spec from UDU
12:05 JaneW mdz: agreed...
12:05 doko mdz: the hinting can be done, will update next week. will talk to seb128 for
the copy/paste integration, "my defaults" should not be done
12:06 mdz doko: is there a new JavaRoadmap spec?
=== JaneW is wondering how it can be pending review....
12:06 doko mdz: update for "only OOo"?
12:07 mdz doko: hmm?
12:08 mdz doko,mvo: how are you planning to do ISDN testing here? do we have ISDN
service available?
12:08 doko mdz: do you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NativeJavaGcjPackages ?
12:08 mvo mdz: I have various isdn hardware with me (and a modem)
12:08 mdz doko: I mean https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/java-roadmap
12:08 mvo we may only be able to test everything but the connecting :/
12:09 mdz doko: the summary mentions gcj
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12:09 doko mdz: ISDN: it's just getting firmware loaded with udev, for breezy we did use
hotplug
12:09 mdz doko: but the hyperlink goes nowhere, and there are some other components to
it as well
12:09 mdz doko,vmo: re: ISDN, ok
12:09 mdz s/vmo/mvo/
Riddell: I've approved kubuntu-express now with the changes I mentioned. Note
12:09 Kamion the status whiteboard though - I think it would help to design the UI in
advance and have a usability person look it over.
12:09 doko mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/JavaRoadmap
12:10 mdz doko: if that's the real java-roadmap spec, please update the URL in LP
12:10 Riddell Kamion: thanks, will do probably after a demo
12:10 doko mdz: ok
12:10 Kamion Riddell: (not that my demo will bear much relation to the final UI as yet)
12:10 mdz ok, we're over time already
12:10 mdz dholbach?
12:11 dholbach this week (done): GNOME 2.13.90, random fixes
12:11 dholbach this week (todo): serious bug triage with seb256 (now that he's feeling better
again), try to make evolution work with bogofilter
12:11 dholbach next week: visit London, bug triage, apt-get.org reviews
12:11 JaneW and there's no daniels or BenC...
12:11 mdz dholbach: enjoy the holiday next week
12:12 mdz thanks dholbach and doko
12:12 dholbach mdz: thanks a lot
12:12 mdz JaneW: please find out what happened to BenC
12:13 JaneW mdz: I will
12:13 Riddell mdz: mornfall is waiting on a reply to kubuntu-package-manager
12:13 mdz JaneW: daniels I don't expect will be attending these meetings going forward
12:13 mdz Riddell: it's a major piece of work and I've asked for input from mark on it
12:13 Riddell ok
12:13 JaneW nod, do we need any further updates in x? I know it's implemented, but does it
need further tracking at all?
12:13 mdz JaneW: only the issues we discussed tuesday
12:14 JaneW we could shift x into someone else's section for that
12:14 ogra JaneW, it will have bugs that need to be fixed before release ...
12:14 mdz if there's anything else to discuss, let's do it in person
12:14 mdz thanks everyone, adjourned
12:14 ajmitch mdz: hm?
12:14 fabbione cuya
12:15 JaneW bye
12:15 pitti bye
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12:15 ajmitch ah well
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12:15 JaneW ajmitch: handg 10
12:15 jsgotangco heh
12:15 JaneW hang 10 even
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12:15 mdz ajmitch: hmm?
12:15 ajmitch sorry, I'd written up an update for selinux
12:15 Mithrandir I think ajmitch wanted to throw in his update
12:16 mdz ajmitch: if you have dapper work in progress, please arrange with JaneW to get
it tracked on the status spreadsheet
12:16 JaneW ajmitch: shoot
12:16 ajmitch no matter, I might not have time before feature freeze now
selinux: spec not approved, some implementation details have changed since UBZ
12:16 ajmitch due to switch to modular reference policy. Probably not time for a bounty
before feature freeze. - building targeted & strict policies off the reference
policy project, currently monolithic but switching to modularised policy.
12:16 ajmitch - some basic tools for managing selinux users & booleans are being done with
the python bindings.
- going to try & coordinate policy packaging with debian, talked with the
12:16 ajmitch current policy maintainer at LCA & he's happy to let me maintain refpolicy in
debian with his help.
12:16 mdz pitti: you're approver on that spec
12:16 ajmitch timing looks shaky now that I'm off to australia next week
12:16 ajmitch but I'll see what net access I have there
12:17 JaneW ajmitch: your call, want it track or not?
ajmitch: we can certainly lay the groundwork in dapper, but I don't think it's
12:17 mdz something we'll want to switch on for this release due to our conservative
strategy
12:17 ajmitch JaneW: might as well
12:17 pitti mdz: ok, I'll look at it
12:17 ogra if its not going to be implemented, can we switch off the "cant mount
/selinux/" message ?
12:17 JaneW ajmitch: ok will add it
12:17 ajmitch mdz: understood, I've discussed that briefly with pitti
12:17 mdz ajmitch: I'm interested in hearing about your progress though
12:17 mdz ok
12:17 mdz I need to make a phone call, anything else?
12:17 ajmitch ogra: can do, it's a simple modification to the sysvinit patch
12:18 mdz ajmitch: thanks for the update, we'll see what we can accomplish there
12:18 ogra that'd be nice ... even a >/dev/null would be enough
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