DapperDev_2006-02-09
09:00 mdz good morning everyone 09:01 mdz JaneW: any update from ajmitch? === doko [n=doko@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:01 JaneW no 09:01 Kamion Diziet is on his way 09:02 mdz ok 09:02 mdz BenC: you're up 09:02 BenC community-server-hardware-testing: Announcement was held off until daily-builds are more automated. kernel bug work: 14394 - cdrecord/k3b/kernel issues, bugs 09:02 BenC related to ipw2200 firmware errors, firware related bug, bugs related to SMP regressions on amd64 09:02 BenC additonal, daily builds will be automated starting tomorrow BenC: the announcement shouldn't be contingent on the 09:03 mdz daily builds; users can start testing using the kernel in Dapper 09:03 mdz please send it out today 09:03 BenC ok === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:03 pitti hi Ian === JaneW will mail ajmitch for an update 09:04 iwj pitti: Ug. BenC: apart from daily builds, 09:05 mdz preventing-hardware-support-regressions had some other components, like calling on users to test 09:05 mdz BenC: did that happen as well? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:06 BenC yeah, that was a second announcement that needs to go out 09:06 mdz ok, that should be marked as in progress until all of the steps are complete 09:06 BenC that one was contingent on daily builds needing to work :) 09:06 mdz thanks BenC 09:06 mdz dholbach: ? 09:06 BenC right, I'll revert that === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:06 dholbach example-content: first bits and pieces packaged and uploaded, is in NEW 09:06 dholbach this week (done): visited London, caught a cold, tried to catch up with bugs, random other bits 09:06 dholbach this week (todo): more bugs 09:06 dholbach next week: GNOME 2.13.91 (beginning of the week), bug day (end of the week), apt-get.org review 09:07 mdz dholbach: just a cold rather than the death plague? 09:07 dholbach Yeah, just a cold, nothing that prevents me from working. :-) 09:07 mdz if you don't rest, it will last longer 09:07 dholbach I'll be fine, it isn't that bad. 09:08 mdz dholbach: have the test-plans been announced to the community? 09:08 dholbach Not yet. I will do it asap. dholbach: also include a note in the next Flight 09:09 mdz announcement that users who want to test can use the provided test plans 09:09 dholbach Right. 09:09 mdz thanks 09:09 mdz doko? 09:09 doko [status] 09:09 doko - no changes from last week, besides 09:09 doko - openoffice.org: one more test build, computer at home unreachable at the moment 09:09 doko [this week] 09:09 doko - vacation day 09:09 doko - dropping python2.3 09:09 doko - bug tracking work 09:11 mdz doko: are you back at home now, or still in london? 09:11 doko mdz: still in London, going back to Berlin tonight 09:11 mdz will dropping python2.3 involve rolling out python-central, or using the old approach? pycentral will be used for private modules at the moment, 09:12 doko there are still concerns, which I discussed yesterday with elmo and Kamion 09:12 doko proposing these on debian-python first 09:12 mdz private modules? 09:12 doko the change involves dropping dependencies on the interpreter for pure modules 09:13 doko modules outside the default sys.path, like mailman 09:13 doko those which need to be recompiled changing the default python version. 09:13 mdz I feel uncertain about rolling out pycentral at this point in dapper 09:13 mdz what are the risks? 09:14 mdz it would need to be well sorted by feature freeze no risks, I can collect my changes on p.u.c., and then we 09:15 doko can decide if we upload it, if it's stable enough for dapper 09:15 mdz I mean the risks of the implementation itself, not our strategy for rolling it out 09:16 mdz build failures? broken packages? 09:16 mdz do we need a new Zope when dropping python 2.3? pycentral at that point just recompiles stuff, when you 09:17 doko change the default python version, nothing more. I don't see how this can break packages. otoh, it doesn't have a visible value for the end user 09:17 doko we would need zope2.9, but there's no plone yet for 2.9 09:17 mdz ok, we need to move on. please send me an email with details of your plan and links to the debian discussion 09:17 mdz thanks doko 09:17 mdz fabbione? 09:17 doko so just lets keep 2.8 with the existing plone in uinverse 09:18 doko mdz: ok 09:18 fabbione * server-candy: switch to ssl-cert-snakeoil certificate is in progress. * ubuntu-cluster: working on update for redhatcluster 09:18 fabbione suite. A lot of our patches have gone upstream and we got some bug fixes from upstream pushed to us. 09:18 fabbione * boot-from-usb: implemented. * last week: return from distro sprint, kernel security 09:18 fabbione (warty/breezy/dapper, hoary not affected) and fixed a regression upgrading from hoary to breezy/dapper (pending upload on -security queue). Being sick one day. * next week: ocfs2 updates, complete the ssl-cert-foo transition, cleanup ssl-cert package to be more user 09:18 fabbione friendly (core was done before starting the transition). Fix a couple of bugs in partman-auto-lvm since it is getting decent testing around now. Get kernel server on server CD if infrastructure to build cd is in place. 09:18 pitti fabbione: what's the status of the new ssl-certs? my new postgresql-common is still pending 09:18 mdz fabbione: boot-from-usb was already implemented last week; you can exclude it from further status updates 09:19 fabbione pitti: that's part of the "make it user friendly" 09:19 fabbione mdz: ok. 09:19 pitti fabbione: heh :) fabbione: someone I know wrote 09:20 mdz [1]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LVMOnRaid ; would you review it for correctness? perhaps it could become the basis for a test plan 09:20 fabbione mdz: ok i will try to do it 09:21 fabbione i am slightly overloaded 09:21 mdz fabbione: it's low priority; just keep it in mind for when you have a spare moment 09:21 mdz thanks fabbione 09:21 fabbione mdz: ok 09:21 mdz JaneW: infinity's update? 09:21 fabbione i already found a bunch of errors... *sigh* 09:22 JaneW one sec infinity: last week: tail end of the distro sprint, lots and lots of traveling home (hey, can we have the next sprint in Australia? <bat lashes>), some initramfs-tools 09:22 JaneW hacking locally, tidying up LRM to hand it over to BenC, preparing PHP security updates, learning the ropes of the new buildd infrastructure, and helping with some hiccups therein. next week: not entirely sure, actually, but I have a 09:22 JaneW feeling it will involve a lot of back and forth with cprov to make sure the LP buildds do exactly what we want them to do, when we want them to do so. splash-down: A mostly-working implementation is running 09:22 JaneW on my laptop, but doesn't quite behave as I'd like it to, so I need to hack a bit of extra intelligence into usplash itself before I polish this off and upload it. 09:23 JaneW pitti will give the update for reducing-duplication... 09:23 mdz ok 09:23 mdz I would like to see the splash-down implementation before it goes in 09:23 JaneW ok, will note that in report and convey to infinity 09:23 mdz thanks JaneW and infinity 09:23 mdz iwj? AutomatedTesting: Initial phase complete and published in dapper and sid. Discussions with Debian have been 09:23 iwj encouraging regarding the per-package tests. It's not clear when to call the goal complete, as it's more of an ongoing project, but a clear milestone has been reached. AutomatedTesting: Next: I need a discussion with some sysadmins and/or Launchpad people to capture their 09:23 iwj requirements for wiring autopkgtest into the build machinery. I also need to consider generic (non package-specific) tests like those provided by piuparts. Firefox: New upstream (stability/security), new Debian 09:23 iwj version (incorporating many of our patches, so our diff is shrinking). 09:24 iwj Firefox: pygnome crash not fixed, reported upstream :-/. DeveloperDocumentation: Just started. Currently I'm 09:24 iwj reviewing the existing Debian Dev. Ref. document and planning the redaction process to make the UDR. DefaultApplicationsFirefox: no change since last 09:24 iwj report. I aim to revisit this this coming week to make sure that everything that can sensibly be done is finished before feature freeze. 09:24 iwj Bugs backlog: awful. 09:24 iwj Email backlog: none iwj: can I get that demo/transcript of autopkgtest? or 09:24 mdz better, maybe put up a wiki page with information on how to drive it so that everyone can try it out 09:25 iwj There's a transcript in my {ubuntu,debian}-devel post. 09:25 mdz I'm behind on lists; please forward me a copy 09:25 iwj Done. JaneW: package-dependency-fix is deferred; we don't want 09:26 mdz to make intrusive changes to the packaging toolchain for dapper 09:26 mdz thanks iwj 09:26 mdz Kamion? 09:27 JaneW mdz: ok, noted 09:27 Kamion cd-bootloader: Localised help done. Implemented. cd-build-process: Parallelisation by image type implemented; as predicted, it does not provide a performance win, although it may be convenient. 09:27 Kamion Implemented. (If we desperately need to get install+live ISO build time down beyond the current 20 minutes, I can backport changes from Debian that eliminate the apt-ftparchive bottleneck, but that will take some work.) ubuntu-express: Done the API shakeups mentioned last week; still working on the actual non-blocking debconf 09:27 Kamion handling to fix the UI. Not much else this week due to illness, not having sorted out my test machine after getting back from London, and clearing other stuff out of the way. misc: Have been receiving basic training on ftpmaster work in Soyuz; I can do some NEW queue processing but 09:27 Kamion can't do override changes yet (including main<->universe changes and removals); please ask elmo for the latter. Disabled archive-copier by default. 09:27 Kamion next-week: Really kill off the Espresso UI responsiveness problems and start in on the rest of its to-do list. 09:27 mdz Kamion: does the parallelisation at least give us all the builds in one directory? 09:27 Kamion no 09:27 Kamion that's a quite separate job 09:28 mdz oh 09:28 Kamion and is in fact easier if it's serial 09:28 mdz gah 09:28 Kamion I can look at that if you want, it's just not what the spec asked for :-) 09:29 mdz yes, I'm noticing that didn't make it into the spec, though we have talked about it 09:29 Kamion should be a few hours' work 09:29 mdz since UBZ 09:29 mdz Kamion: do you have some notes about the soyuz tools that you could send me? 09:29 mdz I need to get up to speed on that as well 09:29 Kamion I can send you the IRC transcript, yes 09:30 mdz thanks sorting out test machine> embarrassingly I left the power 09:30 Kamion cable for it in London :-( will go out and get a spare today 09:30 mdz Kamion: have you handed off some espresso bits to Mithrandir? mdz: I don't feel there just yet, I need to poke the 09:31 Mithrandir system a bit more; hopefully for next week or in a few days. 09:31 mdz ok 09:31 mdz thanks Kamion mdz: he's coming up to speed, but I haven't explicitly 09:31 Kamion said "you work on this" yet; I'll explicitly hand something off today and he can work on it when it's convenient 09:31 mdz where is Keybuk? 09:31 JaneW I don;t think keybuk is in... 09:32 mdz no email update? 09:32 JaneW no, sorry 09:32 JaneW I'll mail him now 09:32 mdz thanks 09:32 mdz need to know especially about network-manager 09:33 mdz Mithrandir? 09:33 Mithrandir probe-for-root-filesystem: implemented live-cd-performance: no further progress, need to do lzma 09:33 Mithrandir testing. Waiting for Scott to produce readahead infrastructure simplified-livecd: some further work done in London, It's currently missing stackable file systems (which should make building the CDs a bit quicker) and suspend to disk 09:33 Mithrandir (pending a patch from me to be tested). I'm wondering if it should encrypt all the swap too, to not possibly leave private data behind. Keymapper still not there. We need customisation docs, I get daily mails on how to customise the cd. faster-networked-x-through-nx: no progress, some sabdfl 09:33 Mithrandir interest. We might want to get this spec beefed up and ship nomachine nx stuff in universe misc: cleaning up some amd64 stuff, such as getting 09:33 Mithrandir ddcprobe working, reading up on espresso to be able to help Colin, some bug gardening blocked on: have been blocked on bits of LP not working 09:33 Mithrandir as expected (debootstrap broke) and the live cd build failing (which has now been fixed). Still no access to popcon.u.c 09:33 Mithrandir next week: get rest of specs cleaned up, get going on espresso 09:34 JaneW mdz: you meen network-magic? 09:34 mdz JaneW: network-manager is the piece of network-magic which matters 09:34 JaneW mdz: right, ok Mithrandir: please ensure that the next Flight includes 09:34 mdz test instructions for probe-for-root-filesystem; should be an exciting feature for the community 09:34 Mithrandir mdz: will do. 09:35 Mithrandir mdz: it's only enabled on installations to removable devices, though, but I guess they're not that uncommon 09:35 Kamion Mithrandir: at least basic handling of the keymap passed by gfxboot would be good even if we don't get keymapper Mithrandir: please make espresso your highest priority 09:35 mdz now; the existing improvements in simplified-livecd and live-cd-performance are already looking very good for dapper 09:36 mdz Mithrandir: yes, we want users to test installation to USB devices and such Kamion: yeah, that's my thought as well. I think just 09:36 Mithrandir getting the minimal support in should be a few hours work. 09:36 mdz it's been a requested feature for a while 09:36 Kamion [we need some kind of keymap handling in simplified-live-cd as a dependency of espresso] 09:36 Mithrandir mdz: ok. 09:36 mdz thanks Mithrandir 09:37 mdz mjg59? I'd love comments on the encrypted swap for live cd idea, 09:37 Mithrandir though. Thought about it while walking through the snow yesterday 09:37 JaneW mjg59 doesn;t appear to be around either - will mail him too mdz, power management is implemented so far ... aprat 09:37 ogra from normal bugfixing and a lid mode to lock the screen it should be fine 09:38 mdz ogra: is someone working on the screen locking bit? 09:38 pitti ogra: we still need to clean up the ppc side 09:38 ogra mdz, me and mjg59 as fallback if i dont make it ... 09:39 ogra pitti, i thought you did that already 09:39 JaneW the spec is still in drafting and mjg59 siad 'hal may need some loving now' 09:39 pitti ogra: partly 09:39 pitti ogra: I made pmi not require pbbuttonsd any more 09:39 ogra mdz, we have a sabdfl bug open about it ... so i consider it somewhat prioritzed 09:39 JaneW who is going to complete the spec and/or get it approved? 09:39 pitti but we still install pbbuttonsd by default 09:40 mdz ogra: about what? powerpc or screen locking? 09:40 ogra pitti, that should be handled by mvo's tool 09:40 mdz the screen locking issue is a regression from breezy, so it needs to be fixed regardless 09:40 ogra mdz, lid -> screenlock 09:40 ogra #29881 09:40 pitti ogra: no, I mean, it still does some important things, like CD ejection and tap keybard handling 09:40 mdz mvo: next? 09:40 mvo ogra: can you give me details what is required after the meeting please 09:40 mvo Did: 09:40 mvo * third-party-packages: 09:40 mvo - gnome-app-install gui improvements (new-look branch) 09:40 mvo - menu-data file updates 09:40 mvo - non-root mode 09:40 mvo - uploaded 09:40 pitti erm, s/keyboard/mousepad/ 09:40 mvo * release-upgrades: 09:40 mvo - various bugfixes, more flexible rules 09:40 mvo - non-interactive Dist-Upgrader ready 09:41 mvo * misc: - new update-manager that fixes a anoying 09:41 mvo focus, problem, fix a apt regression with install and --print-uris, usual bugtriage etc 09:41 mvo Will do: 09:41 mvo - revert update-notifier back to use libgamin instead of gnome-vfs to fix 100% cpu consumation bug 09:41 mdz mvo: what remains before third-party-packages is implemented? 09:41 mvo - talk to infinity about a chroot for the automatic dist-upgrade testing 09:41 mvo mdz: we hardly have any 3rd party channels yet, so it gets little testing 09:41 mdz are upgrades from breezy working again so that further release-upgrades testing is possible? 09:41 pitti mvo: we need to talk about translations in the desktop files shipped in g-a-i 09:41 mvo but otherwise I think we are more or less done 09:41 mdz mvo: we have a test channel, though, right? 09:42 Riddell mvo: we need to split the .desktop files and icons from g-a-i for the new adept simplified installer 09:42 mvo mdz: yes, a skype test-channel and jbaileys mdz: dist-upgrades should work again, there was a 09:42 mvo linux-restricted-modules upload yesterday (nvidida was borken) 09:42 mvo pitti: ok 09:42 mvo Riddell: ok, will it use the same bits? 09:43 Riddell mvo: yes, it does 09:43 mvo Riddell: nice, I'll do that then next week 09:44 Riddell thanks, let me know when you have and I'll check it works with adept 09:44 mdz mvo: are test reports still coming in for release-upgrades? === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:44 mvo mdz: yes, but less now 09:44 pitti still any major failures? 09:44 mvo I'll update the backport to the latest code and ask for another testing run 09:45 mdz ok 09:45 mvo I don't think anything major, a lot was fixed over the last week 09:45 mdz thanks mvo 09:45 JaneW hi Lathiat, just in time for an update... 09:45 mdz ogra? * thin-client-memory-usage: kernel image handling 09:45 ogra implemented (dropping of l-r-m from thin clients), only missing bit is nbd swap * thin-client-faster-startup: wrapped all preseed values 09:45 ogra to not call debconf-communicate if not necessary, only missing bit is initscript handling 09:45 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no work done * general: tons of ltsp merges, bugfixes and small enhancements, powerpc can bootstrap thin clients now 09:45 ogra (still some yaboot bits missing to make it fully work), xscreensaver fixes, serial mouse autodetection: no valuable feedback yet, usplash-on-thin-clients spec (infinity): implemented * next week: finish ltsp nbd implementation, finish init script handling in ltsp, finish powerpc support for ltsp, flight4 preparation, more ltsp merges (its really nice to 09:45 ogra see that debian speeds up to match feature freeze with their ltsp enhancements for us, even if there is no urge for them), implement a "lock only" mode for gnome-powermanagers lid function (sabdfl bug #29881). === slomo [n=slomo@dslb-084-061-183-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting ogra: ok, please prioritize completion of the 09:46 mdz thin-client-* specs over other small features for ltsp; need to finish those off 09:46 mdz powerpc support is also low priority 09:46 ogra mdz, i was planning to have that done this week ... 09:46 Lathiat hi jane 09:46 JaneW ogra: :) 09:46 JaneW ogra: then you can create some gnome apps to replace the KDE ones :P 09:46 ogra i have ppc working locally (pitti tested it in london) its just a small amount of work 09:47 mdz ogra: once they're complete, ask the LTSP guys for feedback since they were driving the requirements 09:47 Riddell JaneW: bah 09:47 ogra will do 09:47 mdz thanks ogra 09:47 mdz Lathiat: do you have an update prepared? 09:48 Lathiat mdz: not prepared but i can hammer something out quickly 09:48 mdz Lathiat: I'll come back to you at the end 09:48 mdz pitti? 09:48 Lathiat ok 09:48 pitti this week so far: * evaluated scim for main inclusion and functionality, 09:48 pitti integrated its modules into language-support for OOTB support for Asian languages 09:48 pitti * changed PowerPC's pmi to not depend on pbbuttonsd any more 09:48 pitti * improved sudo hint, added manpage 09:48 pitti * some bug fixes * caught up with lots of stuff that got deferred in the 09:48 pitti sprint week (email, bounty review, security updates, bug mail) 09:48 pitti status of unimplemented specs: * reducing-duplication: DONE last week: Dropped MySQL 4.0 and 4.1, Gnome 1, OpenSSL 0.9.7; converted most packages 09:48 pitti to db4.3; still TODO: actual demotion of mysql 4.1, only one openldap version (hard!), gnutls11->12 (mostly easy, but openldap still needs 11), split enigmail to drop mozilla (infinity), drop python 2.3 (doko) * langpacks-desktopfiles: DONE: nothing last week, BLOCK: 09:48 pitti zyga needs to send me his current patches for langpacks-desktopfiles; if that does not happen RSN, I'll just do it from scratch; PLAN: finish this by next week. * firewall: DONE: almost finished negotiating the bounty 09:48 pitti with carstenh, with 95% probability this will be deferred to dapper+1; BLOCK: final approval by mdz 09:48 pitti * automated-problem-reports, automatic-printer-conf: no blocks, no time, deferred to dapper+1 09:48 pitti other stuff next week: 09:48 pitti * release the pile of pending security updates, BLOCK: working -security uploads 09:48 pitti * fix breakage of Georgian langpacks in breezy-updates, BLOCK: breezy-updates uploads 09:48 pitti * catch up with bug triage some more * find out why tbird locale packages don't work, upload 09:48 pitti m-t-locale-all source package, drop obsolete locale source packages 09:49 mdz pitti: are you getting information from the SIL guys or elsewhere regarding which scim modules we should use? 09:49 pitti (sorry, got a bit lenghty this time) 09:49 pitti mdz: yes, I cooperated with freeflying 09:49 pitti mdz: he knows about that stuff really well JaneW: please get an update from infinity regarding the 09:49 mdz enigmail work which is blocking demotion of mozilla; that will be a big win for reducing-duplication pitti: sabdfl asked me to add input method support in 09:50 mvo language-selector, maybe we can talk about that after the meetig 09:50 mdz pitti: who is freeflying? 09:50 JaneW mdz: will do 09:50 pitti mvo: already done through the support packages 09:50 mdz pitti: sabdfl basically wants to remov ethe distinction between support and pack in the selector 09:50 pitti mdz: he hangs around in #u-devel quite often and is involved heavily in scim development pitti: do you think we should try to add the scim stuff 09:50 mvo automatically to the users session ? or is this not required 09:50 freeflying mdz: hi I'm from china 09:50 mdz pitti: I mean what is freeflying's real name? 09:50 Riddell freeflying is leader of cjk-testers on launchpad and has helped me lots getting CJK support in kubuntu 09:50 pitti mdz: I replied to his current email, btw 09:51 Riddell real name Hou 09:51 mdz freeflying: hello and thanks 09:51 pitti mdz: Zhengpeng Hou 09:51 pitti mvo: scim itself will be installed in ubuntu-desktop, it's pretty small 09:51 mdz pitti: the only remaining bit of langpacks-desktopfiles is .server files, right? 09:51 pitti mvo: but the modules are really big, that's why I made them l-support dependencies 09:51 pitti mdz: right 09:52 mdz if that doesn't make it, it's still a success for dapper; that bit is low priority 09:52 pitti mdz: zyga already has some code, but not yet uploaded 09:52 pitti I didn't reach him recently 09:52 mdz if zyga makes it, good, if not, that's ok 09:52 pitti mdz: yes, I agree; but it should be cheap to fully complete it 09:52 mdz thanks pitti 09:52 mdz seb128? this week: catching up with bugs and mails from previous 09:52 seb128 week, some GNOME updates, tracked some issues with the current GNOME and forwarded them upstream 09:52 seb128 . 09:52 seb128 next week: GNOME 2.13.91, dapper-desktop-plan 09:52 pitti mdz: and it involves a fair bit of package rebuilds 09:52 mvo pitti: I guess it must still be activated by the user somehow? 09:53 pitti mvo: let's talk after meeting 09:53 mdz seb128: have you talked with sabdfl about his UI sprint? 09:53 seb128 what UI sprint? 09:53 mdz ok, that's a 'no' 09:53 mdz I'll send email 09:53 seb128 thanks 09:53 JaneW heh 09:53 mdz thanks seb128 09:54 mdz sivang: any update? 09:54 Lathiat im leaving shortly so if i could go next 09:54 mdz Lathiat: go ahead 09:54 JaneW I don't think sivang is here 09:54 Lathiat for network-manager 09:54 JaneW will mail him too 09:54 Lathiat has it yet been decided is thats being done in dapper? 09:54 mdz Lathiat: no 09:54 Lathiat or is that still pending? 09:55 ogra waiting for more feedback from tests 09:55 Lathiat ok tests looked quite good last week, but it still needs 09:55 pitti some work (like ignoring /etc/network/interfaces devices and such) 09:55 mdz Lathiat: do you have an update on your own work to present? 09:55 Lathiat done: 09:55 Lathiat * avahi is in main, recently updated to 0.6.6 09:55 Lathiat not done: 09:55 Lathiat * waiting on status of networkmanager integration regarding zcip config 09:55 Lathiat * is not set to not listen on network by default, need some more discussion with 09:55 Lathiat others about the exact way to do this (not installing vs not listening) 09:55 Lathiat * gnome dialog to activate/deactivate not done, pending interface listen changes 09:55 Lathiat , blocking on above 09:55 ogra pitti, and its going mad if you have two running interfaces at the same time ... 09:55 mdz the consensus before was that we should have a simple way to enable it in the desktop 09:56 mdz perhaps via that applet that displays available services? 09:56 Lathiat mdz: right, there was alos discussion of doing it per interface etc 09:56 Lathiat and then integrating it into network-admin 09:56 Lathiat as opposed to "on/off" 09:56 mdz I don't think it needs to be that fancy, just on/off 09:56 Lathiat that woudl be good, because the interface stuff needs more work on the avahi side which isnt done yet 09:56 Lathiat thats largely a matter of a /etc/default file 09:57 mdz is there an existing dialog where we can add a toggle? 09:57 Lathiat i'll look into doing that this week 09:57 mdz where it would be appropriate? 09:57 Lathiat mdz: hrm 09:57 mdz seems awkward to add a whole new preference dialog just for this 09:57 Lathiat i dont think so 09:57 Lathiat mdz: true, but im not sure where itd fit 09:57 Lathiat i suppose the network admin 09:57 Lathiat could get an extra tab 09:57 mdz yeah ,was just looking there 09:57 mdz I think that would be reasonable 09:57 mdz seb128, what do you thinkx? 09:57 Lathiat i dont have a gnome desktop handy right this second to look myself 09:57 mdz s/x// 09:58 Lathiat i'll look into it this week and discuss and report next week? 09:58 seb128 a network-admin tab seems fine to me 09:58 mdz ok, sounds good 09:58 seb128 maybe on the second tab 09:58 mdz thanks Lathiat 09:58 mdz Riddell? 09:58 seb128 there is just the hostname atm 09:58 Riddell kubuntu-express: got a good chunck ported from gtk, give it another week and it might be done also: getting ipod slave to work, fixing kdelibs to 09:58 Riddell ignore Gnome's new autostart files, get kde network-manager working (but needs CVS network-manager so not for dapper) 09:58 Riddell todo: kubuntu-express, flight 4 09:58 mdz Lathiat: please discuss with seb128 and the desktop team and get a consensus; shouldn't take long 09:58 Lathiat mdz: sure 09:58 Riddell (where done in kubuntu-express there means matching the gtk frontend) 09:59 Kamion I was about to say. :) 09:59 mdz Riddell: cool, any screenshots of kubuntu-express? 09:59 Riddell mdz: yes, see my blog (on planet) 09:59 ogra on his blog :) === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["cheers"] 09:59 mdz nice 10:00 mdz Riddell: thanks, looking forward to more 10:00 mdz Kamion: quick outlook for flight 4? === sivang is here 10:00 mdz (we're out of time) Everyone: Please all let me know if you have status 10:00 JaneW changes to your goals so I can update them. Alternately change them yourself in LP, and I'll pick it up. 10:00 Kamion mdz: need to sort out my test machine before I know the state of current images 10:00 Kamion so I guess next week 10:00 mdz ok 10:00 mdz sivang: if you have a prepared status update to paste, go ahead 10:00 JaneW sivang: shoot if you have an update, I'll grab it for report 10:00 JaneW or mail me if you prefer 10:00 mdz otherwise mail janew mdz: mainly, some more improvments for the utility 10:01 sivang classes, I'm now researching to ue threads to implement the burner class, and then move on to finish the GUI. 10:01 pitti is that backup? 10:01 mdz presumably 10:01 sivang pitti: yes, home-user-backup I had hoped for the firewall spec last week, but it 10:01 JaneW doesn;t look like it will happen for dapper without more of a concerted effort. 10:01 mdz sivang: think you'll have something ready to present for feature freeze? 10:02 mdz JaneW: it needs a lot of work 10:02 sivang mdz: I'm going to cut down to minimum stuff that can be dropped for a first version, and then see 10:02 mdz ok 10:02 mdz we're out of time 10:03 mdz thanks, everyone 10:03 mdz adjourned 10:03 JaneW mdz: yes I figured :/ 10:03 sivang thanks mdz 10:03 JaneW thanks mdz 10:03 JaneW report should be sent out later today
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