DapperDev_2006-02-16
03:00 Kinnison is it meeting time?
03:00 JaneW ok thanks
03:00 mdz yes, it is meeting time
03:00 JaneW Kinnison: yes, hold onto your hat
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03:00 mdz from the top
03:00 mdz ajmitch isn't here
03:00 mdz so BenC is first
03:00 JaneW oh I have his hang on
03:01 JaneW ajmitch: Due to working away from home at the moment, the SELinux work
is progressing
03:01 JaneW slowly & is unlikely to be ready by feature freeze. Policy packaging
is being
03:01 JaneW done with Debian people now, and a patch to remove unneeded messages
from
03:01 JaneW sysvinit will be forthcoming in the next couple of days, so that
selinux
03:01 JaneW support in sysvinit can be turned on again.
community-server-hardware-testing: Announcement was supposed to go
03:01 BenC out, but looks like I forgot to actually send it. Going out right
after the meeting. Automated scripts are updated and runs will
commence this evening.
kernel bug work: SquashFS, USB, Firewire, Visual cleanups (quiet
03:01 BenC messages, cleanup PPC OF boot screens), ACPI, SMP issues, general bug
maint.
03:01 Keybuk BenC: can I pick your brain wrt to the kernel's PCI Express
implementation after this meeting?
03:01 BenC Keybuk: yeah, definitely
03:02 JaneW sorry about that, didn't have my c&p ready... mdz can I mark SELinux
as deferred?
03:02 mdz JaneW: yes, thanks
03:02 JaneW mdz: ok done
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BenC: sabdfl raised an idea of making a very broad call for testing;
03:03 mdz it would be good to send him a mail regarding
preventing-hardware-support-regressions and ensure that the
instructions incorporate our plans there
03:03 BenC ok, can do
03:04 mdz BenC: ok, thanks
03:04 Keybuk SELinux in general has an annoying shouty factor, lots of people shout
that they want it, but when you ask them for help, they vanish
03:04 mdz dholbach?
03:04 dholbach this week (done): GNOME 2.13.91, REVU DAY, random bugs, MOTU and a11y
meeting
03:04 dholbach this week (todo): BUG DAY (please all attend - if you have specific
ideas add them to UbuntuBugDay), bug triage, apt-get.org reviews
03:04 dholbach next week: more bug triage, apt-get.org reviews, help MOTUs to get
stuff sorted for FeatureFreeze
03:04 Keybuk it's been disabled in sysvinit too
03:04 mdz dholbach: your /Testing announcement made LWN, by the way
03:04 dholbach mdz: yeah, i noticed :)
03:04 mdz good coverage
03:05 mdz dholbach: where and when for bug day?
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03:05 dholbach and by the amount of bugs and people popping into #ubuntu-bugs i
daresay some have read it :)
03:05 dholbach #ubuntu-bugs, Feb 17th
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03:05 seb128 tomorrow
03:05 dholbach so it IS HUG DAY in some days of the world already :)
03:05 fabbione dholbach: count on me tomorrow :)
03:05 mdz dholbach: do we have developers to cover the full day?
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03:05 mdz if not, now is a good time to scare up volunteers ;-)
03:05 dholbach I'll be there.
03:05 dholbach (minus dogwalks ;))
03:05 JaneW lol
03:06 fabbione dholbach: if my wife is away i will be around for long time :)
03:06 seb128 me too (but that's the same timezone)
03:06 mdz we should have a (rough) schedule to ensure that there is always
someone there
03:06 sivang fabbione: heh
=== BenC will be there
03:06 infinity I can idle in #ubuntu-bugs during my core hours for hug day.
03:06 dholbach if you'd just join #ubuntu-bugs and add stuff that you want to have
triaged to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay that 'd be great
dholbach: I suggest putting together a wiki page with approximate
03:06 mdz times when developers plan to be there, and recruiting to fill in the
gaps
03:06 dholbach we have volunteers who just don't know where to start
03:07 dholbach mdz: good idea - i'll do it after the meeting
03:07 fabbione dholbach: point them at X :P
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03:07 dholbach fabbione: are the bugs already assigned to the team?
03:07 fabbione yes
03:07 mdz dholbach: the motu sync requests that you forward, are those basically
all that you receive? or are you filtering some additional requests?
03:07 dholbach fabbione: then I'll add it and think of an announcement text
03:07 fabbione ok
03:08 dholbach mdz: i want somebody to read through them and acknowledge, before i
send them to you
03:08 dholbach mdz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus keeps track
03:08 dholbach thanks to stratus, who replaced my local uvf.txt file :)
03:09 dholbach mdz: ah sorry, those were the UVF ones
dholbach: if we can get a checklist in place to ensure that the
03:09 mdz requestors test, verify dependencies, etc., then it may be reasonable
to delegate universe sync approvals to motu
03:09 dholbach mdz: we tried to set up a wiki page for the sync requests too, but i
guess most people send them to elmo directly still
03:09 mdz dholbach: right, I meant UVF exceptions (most of which seem to be
syncs)
03:10 mdz ok, let's chat about it a bit later perhaps
03:10 dholbach some do, but due to the amount of time syncs take in our days, some
resorted to package and uploading themselves
03:10 dholbach yeah
03:10 mdz thanks, dholbach
03:10 mdz doko?
03:11 JaneW I don;t think doko is here
03:11 mdz he was here earlier
03:11 JaneW I have had no resonse from him...
03:11 mdz he's still connected
03:11 mdz please send him a message and see what's happened
03:11 mdz meanwhile
03:11 mdz fabbione?
03:11 fabbione Since we are approaching Feature Freeze the report is a bit more
detailed:
03:11 JaneW will do
* server-candy: "Ship a Server Test Suite on the CD": no progress
other than a couple of mails. "Third party software inclusion": we
have a list of apps submitted by community that needs to be reviewed
03:11 fabbione (licence) and in case packaged. "central snakeoil SSL setup": almost
completed. Missing one or two packages only (pending on lamont and
infinity). "Create an MD5 checker for the Ubuntu Installer rescue
mode": Still blocked on admin #723. "
Provide a RCS /etc out of the box" deferred to dapper+1 (too many
03:11 fabbione issues have been raised to be done in a proper way in such short
time).
* ubuntu-cluster: Usual round of redhat cluster suite updates, Ben is
looking at OCFS2 kernel bug fixes (if any). Gone trough the entire
spec with Ivan (neuralis) and made some conclusions for Dapper: SLURM
03:11 fabbione - deferred (licence issues and no time to port it to gnutls), DRBD -
deferred (it's basically only x86* and it has a bunch of annoying
limitations to be really useful), LVS (ipvsadm and keepalived) -
packages cleaned up and approved f
or main (they are in pitti's queue and will be done by tomorrow),
03:11 fabbione ganglia - standby (pkgs are old and missing a lot of love. we might
get it in before FF).
* last week: a lot of server-candy and ubuntu-cluster work. Buggered
03:11 fabbione Kamion to install -server kernels from server CD. EVERYBODY HUG COLIN
NOW!
* next week: Attempt to cleanup ssl-cert package to be more user
03:11 fabbione friendly (core was done before starting the transition). Start
cleaning -server CD. Hopefully start looking into X.
03:12 mdz fabbione: who is doing the license review?
=== ogra hugs Kamion
03:12 infinity fabbione: I have some pending ssl-cert changes I need to clean up and
commit to SVN.
03:12 fabbione mdz: me basically...
03:12 Kamion -server kernels stuff isn't quite done yet, there are some problems
03:12 infinity fabbione: If it's not blocking you, I intended to do so on the weekend
(since I also want to upload to Debian with a mess of bugfixes)
03:13 ogra Kamion, i just did what i was asked for ;)
03:13 fabbione mdz: and involing mdy for permissions if required. but that part is
the one that scares me the less
03:13 doko sorry, didn't look at the watch ...
chiefly
03:13 Kamion https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/31474
and seed changes blocked on that
03:13 fabbione infinity: no it's not blocking me. the transition my side is done
03:13 fabbione Kamion: we still want to hug you, OK?
03:14 pitti fabbione: does the switch to the ssl-cert group cause any troubles?
03:14 mdz ok, thanks fabbione
03:14 fabbione pitti: not we did think of.
03:14 fabbione mdz: welcome
03:14 mdz heno: you are here?
03:15 heno mdz: yep
example-content: first package version in universe. Most of the
03:15 heno content needs upgrading though and we need a link from Nautilus or a
desktop icon ...
03:15 pitti I have a pending main inclusion report, but that's pretty pathologic,
I assume
03:15 mdz pitti: yes, I imagine it only needs an eyeball
03:16 pitti yep, will check packaging and such
03:16 mdz dholbach: is it already seeded?
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03:16 dholbach mdz: no.
03:16 Riddell heno: I'll try and find someone to make a kubuntu-example-content
03:16 ogra mdz, we all do ...
03:16 mdz dholbach: please go ahead and seed it, then it can move immediately
once the report is complete
03:16 Riddell that would probably be from the same source
03:16 mdz s/report/review/
03:16 pitti Riddell: oh, is the current package ubuntu specific?
03:16 dholbach mdz: ok
03:16 mdz Riddell: excellent idea
03:16 heno Riddell: great ok, we can mention Kubuntu in the main content as well
03:16 mdz heno: I thought we agreed to use the Places menu?
03:16 Riddell pitti: most isn't, some parts use ubuntu logo where it would be better
to use a kubuntu logo etc
03:17 mdz that's the most appealing option to me so far
03:17 pitti I see
03:17 heno both places menu and Nautilus have been mentioned
03:17 heno places is probably the easiest
03:17 ogra heno, is it easy to rebrand that content for edubuntu ?
03:17 dholbach mdz: the problem is, that if we patch gtk/whatever, people will not be
able to remove that bookmark
03:17 seb128 places menu tends to already be long, you want to put extra stuff
here?
03:18 mdz seb128: it's either that, or a desktop icon...
03:18 mdz needs to be visible
03:18 seb128 desktop icon is easy to get ride of
03:18 JaneW I don't think it will be found in places...
03:18 seb128 you have no way to drop a places menu item
03:18 mdz yes, but ugly on everyone's desktop
03:18 Riddell why not a link in skel?
03:18 heno silbs suggested we focus on ubuntu for now but sprinkle in some
ku/edubuntu
03:18 ogra Riddell, eek
03:18 Riddell so it's in new user's home directory
03:18 ogra heno, ah, k so i can "just use" it then ?
03:18 JaneW is there a constraint to adding it at the bottom of the Applications
menu?
03:18 mdz dholbach: let's have a mailing list discussion about where to put it;
no time for it now
03:18 Kamion /etc/skel links need to be considered very very carefully
03:18 heno there are already some wallpapers from each of those
03:19 ogra cool
03:19 dholbach mdz: ok
03:19 mdz thanks heno
03:19 mdz infinity?
03:19 heno ogra: I think so yes
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03:19 infinity last week:
03:19 infinity reducing-duplication: thunderbird and enigmail updates to kick mozilla
out of main (yay!)
misc: initramfs hacking, digging around in PHP CVS for security fixes
(should release tomorrow when I wake up, now that I hear it doesn't
03:19 infinity require handholding), lots and lots of digging through failed build
logs and babysitting the soyuz buildds (bugs filed, celso and kiko
responding, work progressing there)
03:19 JaneW sivang: alphabetical...
03:19 infinity next week:
03:19 infinity splash-down: need to look into some usplash/bogl misfeatures blocking
changes required to make splash-down work sanely
03:19 sivang JaneW: ah
03:19 infinity misc: deal with babysitting buildds more, and catalog
anything/everything I want to get in and done before FeatureFreeze.
03:20 mdz infinity: I'm interested in soyuz progress; if you could mail me a
list of bugs to look at, I'd appreciate that
03:20 infinity mdz: Can I TODO it and get you in the loop in the morning when I have
my head on straight? (It's 1:20am here)
03:21 mdz infinity: of course (and it's 6:20 here ;-) )
03:21 infinity Lucky you. ;)
03:21 mdz infinity: so when anastacia is resurrected, mozilla should be able to
move to universe now?
03:21 infinity That's the theory.
03:21 infinity Hard to tell without anastacia to confirm, but it should be good to
go.
03:21 iwj Yay.
03:22 Kamion you may be able to tell from germinate output
03:22 mdz infinity: should be possible to confirm with germinate
03:22 Kamion snap
03:22 infinity Point. :)
03:22 mdz thanks infinity
03:22 mdz iwj?
AutomatedTesting: Not much change since last report. Had discussion
03:22 iwj with Kinnison about integration into the build systems; awaiting
implementation from me and then work on the build systems. When do we
call the goal `complete' ?
03:22 iwj AutomatedTesting: No progress on piuparts (etc.) integration and
additional per-package tests; not blocked.
Firefox: some broken packages last week (sorry). Fallout from the
03:22 iwj mozilla/nspr/nss transition seems to be reducing. Bug situation is
dire - I'm drowning in unsearchable unfindable low-quality reports.
03:22 iwj DeveloperDocumentation: Editing work in progress.
DefaultApplicationsFirefox: Have found (I think) where to bypass the
`You have chosen to open ...' dialogue. Turning this off (so that it
03:22 iwj just takes the default) will make things work better most of the time
but will expose broken MIME database entries by making working around
them harder. I plan to do this this week.
03:22 iwj DefaultApplicationsFirefox: .desktop file security issue needs
investigating and probably fixing.
DefaultApplicationsFirefox: After these two things I think I will call
03:22 iwj the goal done (even though there are still many deviations from
correct behaviour particularly if the server sends wrong MIME
information, which upstream know about).
03:22 iwj Bugs backlog: awful.
03:22 iwj Email backlog: none.
03:22 mdz iwj: thanks for the automated-testing transcript
03:23 iwj NP
03:23 Kamion germinate output still suggests mozilla-browser's needed for some
things, but I'm not sure that's real; would need investigation
03:23 mdz iwj: from here it will need a higher-level interface than what I saw
there; we want to be able to have it act on a .deb or set of .debs
03:23 iwj I was wondering if I might patch dbuild or something to run it.
03:23 mdz your demo showed the package installation being handled separately,
e.g.
03:23 iwj Yes.
03:23 mdz we want to be able to say "test this .deb" and have it do its thing
03:23 pitti Kamion: mozilla-psm maybe? that's the only rdep I can think of
03:24 Kamion pitti: no, enigmail apparently
03:24 iwj This is something that it has to do for the build-time testing.
03:24 Kamion pitti: -> #ubuntu-devel
03:24 mdz yes
03:24 iwj So yes, it's next on the list.
03:24 mdz I have no particularly strong feeling on whether it's responsible for
the chroot, or relies on the user creating that ahead of time
03:24 mdz iwj: we can call it complete when it's running automatically and
periodically over main
03:25 iwj There's at the moment about two use cases: the LP build systems, and
individual maintainers.
03:25 mdz and failures are reported somehow
03:25 iwj The current plan is to make it run as part of every build.
03:25 sivang mdz: wouldn't we need to have all main packages "enabled" with it
before?
03:25 mdz iwj: running as part of the build is nice, but not a complete solution
03:25 mdz we'd like for it to detect indirect failures caused by changes in
other packages as well
03:26 iwj That's true.
03:26 iwj I didn't discuss that with Kinnison. I'll do so.
03:26 Kinnison iwj: tonight?
03:26 iwj kinnison: Sure. Shouldn't take too long.
03:26 mdz iwj: regarding bug backlog, dholbach is looking for lists of bugs to
feed bug day volunteers
03:26 Kinnison iwj: cool
03:26 mdz they can assist in trying to reproduce bugs, looking for upstream
bugs, etc.
mdz: Excellent. Although the ff ones are a bit dispiriting for
03:27 iwj me. Maybe bug volunteers prefer them; there's often not much
getting-to-grips-with-code and a lot of asking-for-more-info etc.
03:27 mdz sounds like a great match then
03:27 dholbach iwj: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay - asking for more info is
fine
03:27 mdz thanks iwj
03:27 mdz jbailey?
03:27 jbailey * ToolchainRoadmapNg: I've begun basic testing of a glibc-2.4 snapshot
on ppc. Aiming for my test build ~ March 8th.
03:27 jbailey * Other:
1) Clearing out bugs and getting them assigned away at a decent
03:27 jbailey rate. Figured out how to unsubscribe myself from packages (done for
grub, and evolution-exchange now). To whom should evolution-exchange
bugs go to? (Adam, Sb, other)?
03:27 jbailey 2) I am no longer hanging out on #ubuntu-devel to reduce visibility
somewhat - if you need me just /msg or phone.
03:27 jbailey 3) Been moving the timezone code over and relearning how the magic all
works to make sure I get it right, sorry for the lag.
03:28 dholbach jbailey: desktop-bugs is probably the best.
03:28 jbailey dholbach: Cool, thanks.
03:28 dholbach (although i don't very much like the idea (no way of testing, etc)) :)
03:28 mdz jbailey: if needed, #launchpad should be able to arrange mass
reassigns
03:28 mdz (if you have a huge list of bugs to touch)
03:28 mdz eek, we're running behind
03:28 mvo jbailey: 3) is not uploaded yet, right?
03:28 mdz jbailey: thanks
03:29 mdz Kamion?
03:29 jbailey mdz: Cool, thanks. I've been trying to check to make sure things are
sane.
dholbach: I can provide you with an exchange server to test against,
03:29 infinity but I haven't ever used evo (and don't intend to start), so I may not
be the best person to care about its plugins.
03:29 jbailey mvo: Correct, not yet uploaded.
03:29 mvo thanks
ubuntu-express: Finished debconffilter rework, so the UI is reasonably
03:29 Kamion responsive now. More Guadalinex unbranding. Helping Tollef come
on-line and trying to keep up with merging all his changes. :-)
ue-gnome-ui: Split out install progress to a separate window per mpt's
03:29 Kamion design. Screenshots removed. Added a link to the desktop (still needs
icon love).
ue-partitioning-tool: Automatic partitioning works now. Much better
03:29 Kamion handling of gparted in manual partitioning mode, although still some
bugs. Disk selector hidden for now because it still sucks.
03:29 Kamion ubuntu-express-base-system: Tollef's working on keymap configuration.
misc: base-installer fixes to make it work better when you're
03:29 Kamion installing without restricted (this was a deferred Hoary goal!).
Published CD build logs where everyone can read them. Basic support
for -server ke
03:29 jbailey dholbach, infinity: Let's talk about it and get an exchange server
setup at the DC - we'll need this for support testing anyway.
03:29 dholbach infinity: Ok, thanks.
03:29 Kamion rnels in base-installer, but it's not quite all there yet.
next-week: Flight CD 4 today or tomorrow I hope; starting testing now.
03:29 Kamion Language configuration in Espresso; "ready to install" summary page.
Banging on through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress/ToDo as fast
as possible.
03:29 Kamion sorry for line breakage there
also, soyuz ftpmaster training, and filing bugs (most of which have
03:30 Kamion been resolved very quickly, thanks Kinnison/cprov); I can do both NEW
and override changes now, and I think removals as well
03:30 mdz Kamion: where are the CD build logs? are they linked from
DeveloperResources?
03:30 ogra yup
03:30 Kamion mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/cd-build-logs/, and yes,
there's a link there
03:30 mdz Kamion: the todo list seems to be dominated by UI tasks
03:31 mdz Kamion: is that an accurate reflection of status?
03:31 Kamion well, if you count the several missing features at the top as UI
tasks, yes
03:31 Kamion (which they sort of are)
03:31 Kamion I think the missing features will dominate development for the next
week or two, then we can move into polishing
03:31 mdz Kamion: if we need to recruit a pygtk guru to help blow through some
of the UI work, that can be arranged
=== Kamion has been teaching himself pygtk at a considerable rate
03:32 Kamion but yes, in a couple of weeks some attention from a guru might help
03:32 mdz Kamion: clearly. :-) but that may not be the fastest way to get it
done
03:32 mdz ok
03:32 ogra just get lamesh to look at it :)
03:32 mdz espresso will appear on the desktop for flight 4?
03:32 ogra *jamesh
03:32 Kamion assuming my change last night worked
03:32 mdz cool
03:33 mdz thanks Kamion
03:33 mdz Keybuk?
streamlined-boot: experimenting with one, two and three phases of
03:33 Keybuk readahead runs to see which gives the best performance. going to
liberate an old P200 from backup DNS duty and install dapper on that,
should give a great chart in the ogra time ranges.
network-magic: ifrename bugs all fixed, and it now seems to be working
great and better than the breezy version (it reliably swaps network
cards). need to decide what to do about "clashed"
03:33 Keybuk interfaces. getting pitti to do a final check of network-manager for
main inclusion, and will recommend it for main next week and either
the supported or ship seeds -- I'm not happy enough with it for
desktop for dapper, I'm afraid.
other: scott@canonical/ubuntu.com mail now gets delivered to my gmail
03:33 Keybuk account, so that should work. all paperwork and stuff signed for my
new line, just waiting for a final install date
03:33 Keybuk next week: readahead will be top priority
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03:33 JaneW Keybuk: streamlined-boot is still in briandump... is it going to
happen or be deferred?
03:33 mdz Keybuk: where do bug reports about the ifrename stuff end up? are you
monitoring ubuntu-bugs or otherwise ensuring that you see them?
03:34 Keybuk JaneW: it's happened I just never wrote it down (bad keybuk)
03:34 Keybuk you could probably set it at implemented <g>
03:34 JaneW Keybuk: you going to finish spec or just implement?
03:34 Keybuk mdz: udev, ifrename, etc. I'm watching all of them
03:34 JaneW oh is it already implemented?
03:34 Keybuk JaneW: I have been meaning to write down everything in the spec, yes
03:34 JaneW I'll update it then
03:34 mdz Keybuk: it seems like the sort of thing where the user wouldn't know
which package to file under
03:34 Keybuk and have the spec as a "readme" for future reference
03:34 ogra Keybuk, note that i have to trade between fast boot and low memory ...
readahead might take to much mem
03:34 mdz s/wouldn't/& necessarily/
03:34 Keybuk mdz: indeed, ubuntu-bugs has simply too much traffic to grep through
the web interface sadly
03:35 Keybuk and tbh, too much to grep through a mail client now
03:35 Keybuk ogra: you've had it since hoary, so isn't that bad :)
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03:35 mdz Keybuk: I don't have trouble doing it through mail
03:35 ogra Keybuk, i'm not sure its used on thin clients currently (as long as it
doesnt hide an any other initscript its not used)
03:36 dholbach Keybuk: no network-manager for dapper desktop?
03:36 Keybuk I gave up once is was eating more than an hour of my time a day
03:36 mdz Keybuk: you should be able to search very effectively with your mail
routed to gmail now ;-)
03:36 Keybuk I'd be happy to take any advice
03:36 Keybuk mdz: only my direct inbox mail is routed there ... no mailing list
subscriptions
03:36 Keybuk dholbach: indeed
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03:36 mdz Keybuk: can you send a mail to -devel and me with a list of issues and
concerns?
03:36 Keybuk mdz: with which?
03:36 mdz Keybuk: n-m
03:36 Keybuk sure thing
03:36 mdz Keybuk: so that we can talk it out, and when we've made a decision, we
have someplace to point to explain it
03:36 mdz great, thanks
03:37 mdz JaneW: updates from lathiat/krstic?
basically it's turned out to a huge pile of intertangled deps, and
03:37 Keybuk very hard work (much harder than I thought at first glance) to mutate
it to our needs
03:37 Keybuk and I'm simply not happy with it being installed by default
03:37 Keybuk when it works, it's great
03:37 Keybuk but when it doesn't work, it requires severely heavy know-how to get
your computer back to working again
03:37 Keybuk (I'll summarise more eloquently on the list)
03:37 JaneW mdz: no not yet I'll mail lathiat, krstic's goal is deferred
03:37 mdz right
03:37 mdz Mithrandir?
03:37 Mithrandir livecd-performance: no further improvements, I still haven't had the
time to test lzma, I don't know what Scott has done wrt readahead
03:38 Mithrandir simplified-live-cd: implemented; still missing stackable file systems
(wanted for espresso)
misc: getting up to speed on espresso, has refactored some of the
UI. This has taken a fair bit of effort, so I'm behind on
03:38 Mithrandir email. Working on the keyboard selection for espresso. fixed
ddcprobe to work on amd64, so we now have the correct resolution on
the live cd
03:38 Mithrandir blocked on: access to popcon.ubuntu.com, but I have plenty to do, so
it's not urgent
03:38 Mithrandir spec list is getting shorter and shorter, I guess that's a good thing.
:-)
03:38 infinity \o/ to ddcprobe on amd64.
03:38 ogra yay
=== pitti will try after the meeting
03:38 ogra (even it still helps with my widescreen display)
03:38 Mithrandir today's live has the new and shiny ddcprobe.
03:38 ogra s/helps/doesnt help/
03:39 Mithrandir ogra: fix your video bios. :-P
03:39 mdz Mithrandir: we still win even if nothing else happens on
livecd-performance, so your help is much more valuable on espresso
03:39 ogra :P
03:39 mdz Mithrandir: I'm happy to call the dapper portion of livecd-performance
implemented whenever you're happy with it
=== mvo tried and it works nicely
03:39 Mithrandir mdz: yes, you asked me to concentrate on espresso last week.
03:40 Mithrandir mdz: ok, I guess we'll just take the fixes scott brings in for
readahead and call -performance done for dapper, then.
03:40 mdz Mithrandir: right, I'm saying that we can clear that from your list
entirely and don't need updates on it
03:40 ogra liveCd is scary fast :)
03:40 Mithrandir yup
03:40 mdz yes, it's looking good
03:40 ogra already
03:40 mdz doko: you're back?
03:41 doko yes
03:41 Keybuk Mithrandir: I'm basically doing readahead as we've discussed ... so
should be a win for livecd just as much as for install
03:41 doko this week:
03:41 doko - dapper-toolchain: Updated all packages in main to build with the
default g++ to be able demote g++-3.4 from main, gcc-4.0 updates
03:41 doko - dapper-toolchain+1: updated packages for test rebuild
03:41 doko - python-roadmap: python2.3 ready to be demoted from main, some python
packages rebuilt.
03:41 doko - openoffice.org: update to 2.0.2rc1, builds now, investigating
installation failures
- openoffice.org-gnome: martink did some testcases for the gnome
03:41 doko filepicker, working on fixes, gnome-desktop-integration stuff enabled
for the next OOo builds
03:41 doko - other: syncs, sync requests, package updates
03:41 doko - java-roadmap: ecj-bootstrap update to 3.1.2, other parts now driven
by OOo needs.
03:41 doko next-week:
03:42 doko - uploadable openoffice.org packages
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03:42 jsgotangco /j #uia
03:42 jsgotangco hey mgalvin
administrative note: it's important that you be present for the entire
03:42 mdz meeting, not only when it's your turn to present. one of the reasons
that we do things this way is to give everyone a chance to see what
their peers are doing, and whether they need help
03:42 Keybuk jsgotangco: bless you
03:42 Mithrandir Keybuk: where do you have the list of stuff to read ahead?
03:42 Keybuk Mithrandir: let's discuss outside of here after the meeting
03:42 Mithrandir Keybuk: sure
03:42 mgalvin g'mornin jsgotangco, all
03:43 infinity doko: Thanks for all the python2.3 demotion uploads this week, BTW. I
was very happy to see thos. :)
03:43 infinity s/thos/those/
03:43 pitti ++
03:43 mdz doko: what work remains on toolchain-roadmap and python-roadmap?
03:44 doko toolchain: final updates to 3.4.6 and 4.0.3 when releaed, not much
work
03:45 pitti doko: any rebuilds with the new compiler?
03:45 doko python: no python-central/python-support in dapper, we're not going to
make a version switch for dapper, so not actuall needed.
03:45 mdz doko: so python-roadmap is essentially complete?
03:45 doko pitti: AFAIU, we'll do a complete test build of dapper anyway at some
point
03:45 infinity Several.
03:45 infinity Over and over.
03:45 mdz yes
03:45 doko mdz: yes
03:46 mdz ok, great
03:46 pitti doko: right, but I mean actually used rebuilt debs (in case they fixed
some crashes in compiled code, or so)
03:46 mdz thanks doko
03:46 dholbach infinity: great, the MOTUs will be delighted.
03:46 mdz Kinnison?
03:46 doko needs debian work only
03:46 dholbach infinity: (they asked about it already)
03:46 Kinnison Firstly, I apologise about this not being in quite the same format as
everyone elses. As I get up to speed I'll be better, honest.
== power-management == * Added support to the acpid package for
03:46 Kinnison noticing the gnome and kde policy managers for power management * Got
a lot more information on a number of g-p-m bugs * Fixed several of
them, including the sabdfl lock-on-lid-close bug
* Touched acpi-support to add some tosiba buttons and to add support
03:46 Kinnison for the lock key as a KEY_COFFEE event. Filed a bug against the kernel
to get thist working * Started dialogue with upstream about the
lid-close stuff.
03:46 Kinnison == general ==
03:46 Kinnison * Helped pitti with several security uploads, finally automated my
part of it for him.
03:46 Kinnison * Lots and lots of bug work with the users.
03:46 Kinnison * Started to feel more confident in getting on with things
03:46 Kinnison == going forward ==
03:46 Kinnison * I need to build a more comprehensive test set for soyuz testing.
03:46 Kinnison * Built some packages for cprov for testing soyuz
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03:46 Kinnison * More power-management stuff over the coming week
* I imagine I'll start to find more, or people will say "oh you could
03:46 Kinnison do 'foo' to help me out" where 'foo' doesn't need too much
back-context for me to be useful.
03:46 Kinnison [end]
03:46 JaneW Kinnison: format is perfect for me, thanks
03:47 mdz Kinnison: a shift during bug day would be welcome
03:47 mdz and we'll talk in more detail tomorrow or early next week hopefully
03:48 mdz right now, need to try to stay within our time limit
03:48 mdz thanks Kinnison
03:48 Kinnison mdz: I'll do my best
03:48 mdz mvo?
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03:48 mvo Did:
03:48 mvo - bug hunting in update-notifier, added workaround for the "it eats my
cpu problem" - this needs more work
03:48 mvo - release-upgrades:
03:48 mvo * automatic dist-upgrade testing infrastructure ready, waits for a
home :)
03:48 mvo * bugfixes
* use --force-overwrite per default now (we won't catch overwrite
03:48 mvo errors from users anymore because dpkg doesn't report them with this
setting)
03:48 mvo - third-party-packages:
03:48 mvo * uses gettext for the desktop files
03:48 mvo * menu-data updated and split out into own pkg
03:48 mvo * "All" category added
03:48 mvo * search improvments
03:48 mvo - added splash for grub
03:48 mvo - default-apt-sources:
03:48 mvo * worked on the per-queue-failure code, decided to do something
simpler
03:48 mvo - misc: various stuff in language-selector, synaptic, update-manager,
gksu, python-xdg, apt, python-apt
03:48 mvo will do:
03:48 mvo - take a day off tomorrow to move to a new flat
03:48 mvo - automatic dist-upgrade testing finish
03:48 mvo - try to cleanly fix the update-notifier eats my cpu problem
03:48 mvo - gnome-app-install add the last missing bits
03:48 mvo - default-apt-sources: turn "can't connect" errors into warnings, look
what we can do to reauthenticate the lists on network failures
03:49 JaneW mvo: you going to progress the default-apt-sources spec?
03:49 doko mdz: should be more specific about python-roadmap, that we still
strive for python-2.4.3 for dapper, when released
03:49 mvo JaneW: I intend to work on it the next week
03:49 JaneW mvo: spec is still in braindump, and very RED
03:49 JaneW mvo: ok thanks
03:50 mdz JaneW: it's lower priority, but should be a small amount of work and
would be very nice to have
03:50 mdz happy for him to delay it until close to feature freeze if his time
can be better spent on the higher-priority items
03:50 mdz thanks mvo
03:50 mdz ogra?
03:50 ogra * thin-client-memory-usage: started work on nbd swap, trying to find a
way to do automated swapfile creation on the server
03:50 ogra * thin-client-faster-startup: initscript handling implemented, spec
implemented and done
03:50 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no work done
* general: powerpc support on ltsp included the ppc specific bits in
the default dhcpd.conf (upload and merge pending, yaboot handling
03:50 ogra missing), flight4 preparation, more ltsp merges (specifically one
solving a bashism in ltsp_functions), helping Kinnison on the
powermanager takeover.
03:50 JaneW mdz: ok, it was listed as a medium.
* next-week: finish nbd handling for ltsp (to set spec to
implemented), more flight 4 work (as soon as DSL is back), finish
gnome-screensaver-default-image, merge peres xauth handling in ldm
03:50 ogra cleanly, try to switch ltsp-client to dash if time is left before
feature freeze (udev bashism needs a deeper look i havent taken yet
and sorting), jumping on the gnome-screensaver bugs, convincing ltsp
upstream to do flight4 tests (once its out) to get feedba
ck on the implemented specs ... probably looking into
03:50 ogra ltsp-client-builder for better progressbar handling in the installer
if time is left...
03:50 ogra note: i'm out of DSL since two days, no ETA for fixage yet, ISDN makes
it nearly impossible to test edubuntu flight4
03:52 mdz ogra: I seem to recall that nbd had a mechanism to automatically
create the files based on IP or similar
03:52 mdz can't recall the details though
03:52 mdz ogra: if you won't be able to test personally, ensure that you find a
volunteer to fill in for flight4
03:52 ogra mdz, yes, i'm looking into jammcqs implementation, i know he has a
mechanism...
03:52 mdz ogra: ok, need to move on, thanks
03:52 mdz pitti?
03:52 ogra mdz, jsgotangco is great on the amd64 front
03:53 jsgotangco :D
=== JaneW cheers for jsgotangco
03:53 ogra i'll have to find others though ..
03:53 mdz JaneW: remind me to reverse the order for the next meeting so that we
squeeze a different set of people ;-)
03:53 JaneW mdz: ok
03:53 dholbach haha
03:53 jsgotangco amd64 compiz+xgl working great now too
03:53 pitti status of unimplemented specs:
* langpacks-desktopfiles: DONE: implemented langpack support for
03:53 pitti .server files, which completes the code changes of that spec; still
TODO/PLAN: fix non-cdbs+gnome.mk packages manually, discuss the stuff
with gnome/fd.o upstream
03:53 pitti * firewall: DONE: negotiated bounty with carstenh, approved by mdz;
target date: May 1st; no blocks any more
* reducing-duplication: DONE: dropped MySQL 4.1; final changes to drop
mozilla (thanks infinity!), lots of Python 2.3 cleanup (thans doko!);
03:53 pitti PLAN: gnutls 11->12 transition next week for all packages but
openldap; BLOCK: actual mozilla demotion, need help with openldap,
need proper madison and melanie-like tools somewhere
03:53 pitti * automated-problem-reports, automatic-printer-conf: no blocks, no
time, deferred to dapper+1
03:53 pitti general stuff done this week:
03:53 pitti * lots and lots of security update work, worked with Kinnison to get
the process working
03:53 pitti * unbroke CD burning
03:53 pitti * much bug triage (still scary backlog, though), some bug fixing, main
inclusion reviews, CD testing
03:53 ogra jsgotangco, not intresting for edubuntu :P
03:53 pitti general stuff planned next week:
03:53 pitti * upload postgresql-common ubuntu branch with SSL snakeoil cert
support; BLOCK: upload of fixed ssl-cert by fabbione
03:53 pitti * coordinate Thunderbird locale unbreaking with asac (Debian
maintainer)
03:53 Kamion pitti: do you have drescher access?
03:53 pitti * even more security update backlog
03:54 pitti Kamion: no, I don't
03:54 pitti Kamion: I probably will in the future, when we switch security to
drescher
03:54 Kamion pitti: ok, in that case use rookery, copy ~cjwatson/bin/madison-lite
and ~cjwatson/.madison-lite/config to your home directory
03:54 pitti cool, thanks
03:54 mdz not sure what we have for melanie, apart from germinate-output
03:54 Kamion pitti: it only updates every six hours but it's a lot better than
nothing
03:54 Kamion we don't yet AFAIK
03:54 pitti yes, six hours is more than fine
03:54 Kamion (melanie, that is)
03:54 mdz pitti: re: bug triage, I strongly suggest getting involved with bug
day ;-)
03:54 Riddell is germinate output in the same place as before?
03:55 Kamion well, we have a removal tool, but no rdepends checking
03:55 pitti yes, that's planned
03:55 mdz Riddell: yes
03:55 mdz pitti: thanks
03:55 Kamion Riddell: yes, and I just fixed it so that it no longer looks at
http://jackass/ ;-)
03:55 mdz seb128?
03:55 seb128 GNOME: update to GNOME 2.13.91, lot of bug triage
03:55 seb128 gstreamer0.10: desktop and seeds updated for gst0.10, gst0.8 can be
demoted to universe
dapper-desktop-plan: session dialog patch updated to use a fadding
03:55 seb128 effect, started investigating using a GTK theme for the gdm greater,
will work on the desktop switcher patch (use tooltip) today
03:55 seb128 tomorrow: bug day
03:55 seb128 .
next week: continue bug triage, keep fixing issues with the desktop,
03:55 seb128 update of the panel/session dialog for dapper-desktop-plan according
to the mail sent by Mark about that
seb128: did you verify gst0.8 via germinate? we have the capability
03:56 mdz to demote things, but it's not as easy to see without anastacia when
they're ready to be moved
03:56 seb128 I talked briefly with pitti about it, seems to be ok
03:56 Kamion give germinate a minute or two to update to soyuz here
03:56 seb128 I had a look with grep-dctrl, not germinate
03:57 mdz seb128: any change on video-playback? is it basically done, given
that gst0.10 seems to work well?
03:57 seb128 yep, I would classify as done
03:58 seb128 having user testing/feedback would still be nice
03:58 mdz ok, go ahead and update in launchpad
03:58 seb128 will do, thanks
03:58 mdz a call for testing to -devel-announce would be OK
03:58 mdz ask users who switched to totem-xine to switch back and try it
03:58 seb128 I'll speak with dholbach about it
03:58 dholbach seb128: yeah
03:58 mdz thanks seb128
03:58 mdz Riddell?
03:59 Riddell kubuntu-express: fair amount done, too many distractions this week to
get it to be ready for others to look at yet
03:59 pitti seb128: dvd is ported?
03:59 Riddell kubuntu-system-tools: guidance 0.6 in, still need some fixes to system
settings before implemented
03:59 Riddell kubuntu-package-manager: mornfall released alpha 2, update-notifier
working, simplified installer progressing well
03:59 Riddell kubuntu-dapper-roadmap: gstreamer 0.8 clean, gcc 3.4 clean (pending a
few builds)
03:59 Riddell kubuntu-docs: new snapshot, fixing docbook to work with KDE
03:59 Riddell blocking: adept simplified installer is waiting on gnome-app-install's
data to pass NEW, main inclusion review is moving slowly
03:59 Riddell next week: kubuntu-express, flight 4
03:59 mdz Riddell: any screenshots handy of the kubuntu update-notifier?
03:59 JaneW er sivang is waiting too
03:59 Riddell mdz: nope, can do one in 60 seconds though
03:59 mdz Riddell: sure, curious to see what it looks like
pitti: not yet, but they are working on it (they argue it's not a top
04:00 seb128 priority because it can't be shipped by default anyway for patents,
issue etc)
04:00 mdz Riddell: I'm sure when sabdfl returns home to his kubuntu desktop he
will have feedback ;-)
04:00 Riddell just a systray icon really
04:00 mdz Riddell: what's happening upstream with KDE within the dapper
timeframe?
04:00 Riddell mdz: KDE 3.5.2 in March
04:00 Riddell new k3b out today, very minimal bugfixes, people are testing it
04:00 mdz Riddell: pre-beta?
04:01 Riddell no sign of kde 4 being usable except for core hackers yet
04:01 mdz Riddell: I mean, is 3.5.2 going to arrive before the 6.04 beta/
04:01 mdz s,/,?/
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04:02 mdz sivang: update?
DONE: fs info provider class, backup media devices detection, some GUI
bits, work on ISOBuilder CDBurner , Backup class. Researched about
04:02 sivang DrakeBackup, which closely resembles our design, is a perl hack,
however, took some pointers from there. Reworked all the worker
classes to use generators for effective progress report throughout
their operations.
04:02 Riddell mdz: let me check exact dates
TODO: polish/finish ISOBUilder, finish Burner and Bakcup classes.
04:02 sivang rework the GUI according to community's feedback (split resotre and
backup to two different dialogs, then have a top level menu), Connect
the bits together.
04:02 sivang I expect to be able to make it for dapper, with this feature
adjustments:
04:02 sivang - Backup will have to be done by each user. (current dar limitaion
that it can only use one pathspec as source)
04:02 sivang - Desktop notification support will considered nice to have, but if
time does not allow it will be deferred for next version.
04:03 mdz sivang: is it suitable for user testing yet?
04:03 doko ogra: what are these ISDN problems?
04:03 sivang mdz: not yet, I'm afraid. I will announce as soon as it is.
04:03 JaneW sivang: cool, was hoping we wouldn;t have another deferred goal :)
04:03 mdz ok
04:03 ogra doko, no ISDN problems ... i wouldnt be here if i had any ...
04:03 mdz thanks sivang
04:03 mdz and we're out of time
04:03 pitti ogra: well, it's just awfully slow :)
04:03 ogra doko, apart from being 64k ... which is crap for iso syncing ;)
04:03 mdz good meeting, everyone
04:03 Riddell mdz: 3.5.2 oout ~March 24th, so just missing beta by a week
04:03 JaneW Riddell: you still have some specs in brain dump, can you make a call
on those soon, if you haven't yet?
04:03 mdz good luck with the rest of your day / sleep / etc.
04:04 JaneW mdz: you too
04:04 pitti thanks everyone
04:04 iwj TTFN all
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04:04 ogra thanks mdz
04:04 dholbach thank you mdz
04:04 seb128 thank you mdz
04:04 fabbione cya tomorrow or later guys
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