DapperDev_2006-03-02
03:02 mdz ok, from the top today
03:02 JaneW seems just ogra and Mithrandir are missing still
03:02 JaneW keybuk gave apologies
03:02 mdz yes, he has no internet access at his hotel
03:02 JaneW nod
03:02 mdz Benc?
03:03 doko seb128: the ia64 build failure is not mine
03:03 mdz BenC: you're up first
03:04 BenC Can you give me 5 minutes, I took a nap and didn't have a chance to write
yet
03:04 mdz dholbach: ?
03:04 dholbach apt-get.org: it's done! (628 FTBFS, 320 reviewed, 73 ready to go), list
handed to James for syncing
03:04 dholbach example-content: new tarball uploaded, example-content visibilification
done, casper changes handed to Mithrandir (guess some love is needed)
03:04 dholbach this week (done): GNOME 2.13.92, bug triage, apt-get.org
this week (todo): more bug triage - gnokii, gnome-phone-manager update and
03:04 dholbach look into making GNOME bluetooth work again, maybe even nautilus-sendto
with bt
03:04 dholbach next week: UI sprint
03:04 BenC thanks
03:04 dholbach important: popcon would be great to have to prioritize MOTU fixing efforts
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03:04 mdz dholbach: when did the visibilification land?
03:04 dholbach example-content 3-0ubuntu1 uploaded today
03:05 dholbach the changes in casper are pending review from mithrandir
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03:05 mdz dholbach: ping elmo about the RT ticket # for popcon; should be just adding
an account for tollef
03:05 dholbach mdz: right, will do that.
03:05 mdz thanks
03:05 mdz doko: ?
03:05 doko [this week]
03:05 doko toolchain-roadmap - final gcj-4.1.0
openoffice.org - nearing 2.0.2 (oob680m5 snapshot), experiencing more than
one buildd/soyuz problem, beeing debugged together with infinity, i386 and
03:05 doko powerpc builds succeeded, amd64 packages, ia32-libs* updated (hi seb128 ;),
Riddell: please check kde), -l10n still building (12+ hours), should be
ready for new processing tomorrow.
03:05 doko [next week]
03:05 doko toolchain-roadmap - final gcc-4.0.3 (branch now frozen)
03:05 doko openoffice.org - sparc build, snapshot updates, language specific package
checks and updates
03:06 mdz doko: so the oo.o rename is blocked on which bits?
03:07 doko it's not blocked, it's now waiting on the -l10n build to finish
03:07 infinity Which should go smoothly, just slowly.
03:07 mdz ok, so no soyuz problem with the binary reparenting?
03:07 doko then all packages should be unleashed in NEW
03:07 infinity (rothera thinks it only has one CPU right now)
03:07 doko mdz: no, other problems
03:08 mdz doko: how big is the current oo.o bug list?
03:08 mdz doko: everything set for the sprint?
03:08 doko mdz: have to write the final mail, but otherwise ok.
03:08 mdz ok
03:08 mdz thanks
03:08 mdz fabbione: ?
* server-candy: added LAMP install target to server CD. Missing/buggy:
03:08 fabbione apache2 for "central snakeoil SSL setup" and kernel -server as default from
CD install.
* ubuntu-cluster: OCFS2 kernel update and several hours stress test on
03:08 fabbione upstream request. Waiting their release for new userland to sync with the
kernel that will allow (finally) full desync later.
* RLIMIT_PRIO: Colin did upload pam last week, Matthias has the patch for
03:08 fabbione bash (pending upload) and Jeff is preparing glibc (pending upload) so at
the end i was assigned a task where i had to do nothing other than
reporting at the meeting.. SCORE! ;)
03:08 fabbione * last week: a lot of bug fixing. Started working on espresso/partman
changes yesterday.
03:08 fabbione * next week: i will be in holidays friday/monday and tuesday. otherwise i
will be working on espresso and more bug squashing.
03:08 doko can't exactly say, more than one source, about ~150?
03:09 mdz doko: can you get the bash RTPRIO patch in?
03:09 doko mdz: oops, will do tomorrow
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03:10 mdz fabbione: thanks
03:10 mdz infinity: ?
03:10 fabbione mdz: np
* last week packaging: more initramfs-tools bugfixing, sort out "/var/run
03:10 infinity on tmpfs" issues for several daemons, fix up spiftacity to build, roll up
PHP security release (will upload after some more testing), and investigate
other (PEAR, libapreq2) security vulns.
* lasw week buildd: very constructive remote sprint with cprov to get
03:10 infinity auto-dep-wait and auto-give-back handling in the launchpad buildds, spent a
fair amount of time tracking down our current build failures, started
rolling out sparc buildds.
* next week packaging: Deliver some much needed love/polish to thunderbird,
03:10 infinity investigate how many initramfs bugs I can kill (or reassign to udev/kernel)
before release without destabilising it in places where it DOES work.
* next week buildd: finish rolling out sparc build daemons and get sparc
03:10 infinity caught up, work with cprov (no more sprinting, just minor fixes here and
there) to sort out some other UI and buildd/queue behavioral issues.
03:11 mdz infinity: what's the status of the auto-dep-wait/auto-give-back
handling? work in progress for cprov?
03:11 infinity mdz: It currently works (yay!), but there's no UI representation of it yet
until the next LP UI rollout.
03:11 mdz cool
03:11 infinity mdz: But I can assure you that it's functioning on the backend already.
infinity: mark has requested that splash-down use a reversed progress bar
03:12 mdz (reversed colors, not direction); could you find out how much work that
would be?
03:12 infinity (Which was a big blocker before trying to get sparc caught up, since
caching up without auto-dep-wait is a very long process)
03:13 infinity mdz: Not too much effort, I may have to just add another argument to
usplash to it knows it's in "down" mode...
03:13 infinity mdz: That wouldn't work in the case where you hit ctrl-alt-del during
startup, though. :)
03:13 infinity (Which currently works quite smoothly, scarily enough)
03:13 mdz infinity: lower priority than sparc or buildd fixes, but Mark wants it
unless we've a reason no t to
03:14 infinity Yeah, I can squeeze it in. it won't be a destabilising feature, so we can
get it in reasonably late.
03:14 mdz ok, thanks
03:14 mdz iwj: ?
DefaultApplicationsFirefox: There has been some feedback from the `you have
03:14 iwj chosen to open ...' suppression. epiphany and galeon need to disable the
change which I made by default in gecko; seb128 will be sending a mail
about this.
DefaultApplicationsFirefox: No-one says so far that it prevents
03:14 iwj downloading, although the UI for getting a download is different now which
has annoyed some people. If you disagree with the new way please discuss
it on ubuntu-devel.
03:14 iwj Firefox maintenance: otherwise fairly quiet. A few outstanding issues;
there will be an upload this week of course.
AutomatedTesting: working on setting up Xen-based virtualisation for
running tests in (for safe deployment on one of my systems here, and proof
03:14 iwj of concept for datacentre arrangements). Defeated: Xen host, grub, mad
bridge stuff. Battling: lvm2. To come: pbuilder, autopkgtest
changes/improvements.
03:14 iwj AutomatedTesting: new package name `autopkgtest' is everywhere; old name to
be deleted RSN.
03:14 iwj DeveloperDocumentation: no progress this week.
Bugs backlog: firefox situation is not so bad if I ignore the unconfirmed
03:14 iwj reports. In other news, tripped over and fixed an entertaining
ssh/tcpd/SIGALRM bug today (see my activity report today, RSN).
03:14 iwj Email backlog: ~12h ish (mixed).
03:14 Kamion I think the remove-package script is still broken
03:15 iwj The firefox remove package script ?
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03:15 mvo iwj: nothing from the pymozembed front?
03:15 Kinnison iwj: I think Kamion means the soyuz archive remove-package script which
elmo wrote during the deployment sprint.
03:15 iwj No, I've heard nothing at all from upstream, I'm afraid.
03:15 Kamion what Kinnison said
03:15 iwj kinnison: Oh, right :-).
03:15 Kamion https://launchpad.net/products/soyuz/+bug/32314
03:16 doko iwj: could you make the alternative priority for x-www-browser higher in
firefox than in mozilla-browser?
03:16 infinity We install firefox by default, so it makes sense for it to have a lower
priority.
03:16 iwj doko: Err, sure.
03:16 infinity I'll just fix your thunderbird bug. :)
03:17 iwj You mean `so it makes sense for mozilla-browser to have a lower priority' ?
03:17 doko infinity: firefox should have a lower prio than mozilla?
03:17 infinity doko: besides, I have the same bug here with firefox/epiphany.
03:17 mdz iwj: ETA for automated testing deployment? next week perhaps?
03:17 infinity doko: Defaults generally should have the lower alternatives prio..
03:17 infinity With the theory that if you install something else, you actually wanted to
use it.
03:17 iwj mdz: If I'm lucky some time next week. But it depends how ff goes, really.
03:18 iwj infinity: Um, I'm not sure I agree.
03:18 doko infinity: well, I have to install mozilla-browser, if want to use eclipse
...
03:18 infinity doko: But I'll fix your bug so thunderbird pulls the GNOME preference
correctly.
03:18 infinity iwj: Well, we can all argue after the meeting, then. :)
03:18 mdz yes, let's
03:18 iwj Sometimes the reason something isn't installed by default is because it's
too big and complicated.
03:18 mdz iwj: thanks
03:18 mdz BenC: ?
03:18 iwj But sometimes it's because we prefer the other thing.
Dapper Kernel Status: All architectures seem to be stable. There are a few
problems with PPC Sound on some system types. Work with BenH to resolve
this. i386 and amd64 seem to be mostly 100%. The only major bugs seem to
03:18 BenC just be affecting the bug submitter. We are still seeing oopses in
squashfs, not even on i386. The SquashFS maintainer has contacted me, and
is trying to resolve what he thinks is an issue with unionfs interaction.
No ot
03:18 BenC her major issues to speak of. If anyone knows of any real show stoppers,
let me know now.
Issues: Bug maint is really a lot harder with malone. Not sure if it's the
03:18 BenC newness, I'm really stupid, or Malone just doesn't like me. I haven't taken
the time to really pin down the usage cases that makes it harder than
bugzilla.
03:19 mdz BenC: what's the kernel bug list like?
03:20 mdz overall?
03:20 BenC it's stable in size, most of the bugs that have been coming in are getting
fixed
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03:20 BenC there are like 5 or 6 breezy regressions
03:20 mdz no backlog then?
03:20 BenC not really
BenC: is the squashfs/unionfs issue
03:21 mdz https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/32070
?
03:21 BenC I should say, not anymore :)
03:21 BenC ...
03:21 BenC yeah
03:22 mdz ok
03:22 BenC squashfs maint seems to think it is unionfs corrupting cache tables
03:22 mdz thanks
03:22 mdz Kamion: ?
03:22 BenC which makes sense
03:22 jbailey mdz: *pout*
ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Working on removing live-only packages;
mostly done, just waiting on the buildd to deliver an extra manifest file
03:22 Kamion (discussed with infinity earlier today). After that I only need to arrange
to copy network configuration over and I think this spec will be
implemented.
03:22 Kamion ue-language-packs: Preseeding glue added to support this, and the rest done
as well. Implemented.
03:22 Kamion ubuntu-express-base-system: Merged Tollef's fleshed-out keymap page. It's
QWERTY-only for now and the UI's just a big list of keymaps.
ue-partitioning-tool: Fabio's working on a disk selector; hearing
03:22 Kamion encouraging noises. I finally got back to gparted upstream, so we should
have some movement there soon too.
next-week: UI sprint. Keep on truckin' through UbuntuExpress/ToDo; expect
03:22 Kamion to be concentrating on the partitioner. Might need to have another serious
attack at the NEW queue and anastacia.
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03:22 mdz jbailey: you said ahead of time that you didn't expect to make it
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03:23 jbailey mdz: Jane's already been dropped off once or twice in the meeting. Jane has
my summary, but I'm so far holding in here for questions.
03:23 jbailey Pastes tend to cause this connection grief.
03:23 JaneW keybuk: No internet access from Hotel, so I will not be able to attend.
03:23 JaneW All specs are implemented, so no progress to update anybody on.
03:23 JaneW Friday: Internet line installed, tested and brought up; lost much of the
03:23 JaneW afternoon to getting e-mail sorted again and packing for trip.
03:23 JaneW Monday onwards: Multi-arch sprint in Oslo with Tollef.
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03:24 JaneW and ftr it's silbs who has dropped off-line (unless you are referring to me
dropping of - to sleep)
03:24 jbailey Yes, sorry.
03:24 JaneW jbailey:
03:24 JaneW * Last week: At a sprint. New locales and new glibc uploaded. RLIMIT stuff
is in, sparc patch is in, timezone fix is in.
03:24 JaneW * Next week: glibc-2.4 upstream will release. Will update test packages
and get them autotested
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=== jbailey melts.
03:25 JaneW :)
03:25 mdz jbailey: glibc 2.4 doesn't sound like dapper material at this stage
03:25 jbailey mdz: It's not. That the toolchainroadmapng
03:25 mdz ok, cool
03:25 mdz thanks for the locales/glibc uploads
03:26 mdz Kinnison: ?
* PowerManagementConfiguration: In simple terms the spec is now
03:26 Kinnison 'implemented'. I have integrated a lot of upstream changes and I have
gotten upstream to take on a significant portion of the changes I made
locally.
03:26 Kinnison - What remains are bugfixes almost entirely. There are two oddities I'm
currently investigating.
03:26 Kinnison * General: Had day off for FOSDEM travel; continued investigating core-duo
for powernowd. Assisted infinity with buildd stuff.
03:26 Kinnison - Also filed bug about building superseded source for infinity/cprov to
deal with.
* Future: Fixing bugs in g-p-m, attempt to solve powernowd issue. acpid and
03:26 Kinnison acpi-support may need love, still reading bugs. pbbuttonsd may need love to
play nicely with g-p-m, or else g-p-m needs the loving.
03:26 Kinnison - Also may end up assisting with bringing up new arch (sparc/hppa?) for
buildds depending on if cprov/infinity have any problems or not.
* Blockers: Still waiting on kernel change to get a battery button key
03:26 Kinnison assigned. Upstream g-p-m are triggering battery display events on KEY_WWW
right now because we can't find a better one.
03:26 Kinnison * Bugs: g-p-m has 33 open; acpid has 3 open; acpi-support has 125 open;
powernowd has 14 open.
03:26 Kinnison - Can't give more detailed analysis right now because I haven't worked
through it all yet.
03:26 Kinnison [EOR]
03:27 JaneW Kinnison: Yay thanks for getting your spec Implemented so swiftly :)
03:27 Kinnison JaneW: Richard Hughes is a fantastic upstream to be working with.
03:27 mdz Kinnison: could you sit with Kamion sometime soon and see if you can help
bring espresso on schedule?
03:27 Kinnison mdz: Sure, I could go to his some time this week
03:28 mdz Kinnison: great, extra hands may help
03:28 Kinnison Kamion: shall we work this out out-of-band?
03:28 mdz yes
03:28 Kamion Kinnison: yep, at a more sensible time :)
03:28 Kinnison Kamion: *nod*
03:28 mdz thanks Kinnison
03:28 mdz Mithrandir: ?
03:28 Kamion Kinnison: I'm UI sprinting for some of next week, but I believe perhaps not
all
03:28 mdz Kamion: as little as possible
03:29 Kamion ok
03:29 mdz is Mithrandir here?
03:30 mdz JaneW: please follow up with Mithrandir by email, find out what happened
03:30 mdz mvo: ?
03:30 JaneW mdz: ok
03:30 mvo Did:
03:30 mvo - wrote lp custom-upload-format handler for dist-upgrader and some support
to generate a matching changes file, in contact the the lp people about it
03:30 mvo - dist-upgrade work, including some fixes and a local auto-test environment
03:30 mvo - misc: seeded gdebi
03:30 mvo - testing/bugs/various updates (g-a-i, update-manager, gdebi, gksu,
gnome-system-tools, python-apt)
03:30 mvo "Hot spots"
03:30 mvo - can we filter out open bug-reports on unsupported packages in malone
(#33342)?
03:30 mvo - is the debian bug importer that we had for bugzilla runing?
03:30 mvo Will do:
03:30 mvo - work with the lp people to get the dist-upgrader stuff into the archive
03:30 mvo - fix debconf problem during dist-upgrade
03:30 mvo - get hold of infinity to get the auto-dist-upgrade test chroot setup
03:30 mvo - bug fixing
03:30 mvo - ui sprint next week
03:32 mdz mvo: I will check into #33342
03:32 mdz there is currently no debbugs import, but there is a plan for one
03:32 mdz honestly, my impression is that we get more noise than signal from debbugs
now
03:32 mdz the bad bugs mostly get reported independently to us
03:32 mvo my feeling is that it helped in the past a lot, so it would be nice to have
03:32 dholbach for the gnome bugs it was not so very helpful
03:33 seb128 not, it was no use for desktop stuff
03:33 mdz quick survey on debbugs import?
03:33 mdz useful/not useful?
03:33 seb128 not useful
03:33 Riddell I get all kde debian bugs anyway
03:33 dholbach not useful, sometimes useful packaging bits
03:34 iwj I'd say not very useful. When it is you can look in debbugs anyway.
03:34 jbailey mdz: Not useful, glibc and lkh don't match Debian's.
03:34 pitti useful
mdz: Less useful for desktop stuff, since we have a huge desktop following
03:34 infinity of our own, very useful for base/packaging/server stuff, where Debian users
are plentiful and pedantic.
03:34 mdz infinity: agreed there; do you think we could usefully filter?
03:35 infinity Not sure, but it might be nice if we could.
03:35 pitti don't we have tasks for that nowadays?
03:35 Kamion occasionally useful for the installer, but I track most of the scary stuff
anyway
03:35 infinity I track Debian bugs for all packages I maintain in Debian, but that doesn't
come close to all the daemons I touch in Ubuntu.
03:35 pitti i. e. the importer shoudl create debian tasks maybe, and we can confirm or
reject them by creating an ubuntu task or not
03:35 Kamion useful for packages we don't actively track, but not useful for packages we
do
03:35 mdz mvo: is the upgrade tool in breezy-updates now?
03:35 doko useful for toolchain issues
I think most useful for me would be if it accurately tracked upstream
03:35 jbailey status, so that if I link to an upstream bugtracker that I actually see
state changes associated with it.
03:36 mdz jbailey: that's being fixed
03:36 mvo mdz: no, because the upgrader itself is not yet in the archive and no
authentication is in place (because it is not in the archive yet)
03:36 mdz mvo: is the code written for authentication?
03:36 mvo mdz: should I ignore that and make it look into people.ubuntu.com/~mvo ?
03:36 mvo mdz: yes, but disabled
mvo: yes, if a) it's going to take more than a couple of days to get into
03:36 mdz the archive, and b) it displays a warning (which it should anyway since
it's upgrading to a development release)
03:36 mvo mdz: or rather, if no signature field is set in the meta-release file, it
will not do checking
03:37 mdz mvo: once it's there, another call for testing should go out
03:37 mvo mdz: archive.u.c may happen to the end of the week
03:38 sladen Kamion: KEY_BATTERY=$KEY_F24
03:38 mdz mvo: if it doesn't make it by the end of next week, go ahead with people as
a fallback
03:38 mvo mdz: ok, thanks
03:38 mdz thanks mvo
03:38 sladen Kinnison: KEY_BATTERY=$KEY_F24
03:38 mdz ogra: ?
03:38 Kinnison sladen: says who?
03:39 infinity sladen / Kinnison: -ECHAN
03:39 mdz is ogra here?
03:39 JaneW hmmm, possibly not
03:39 Kinnison infinity: sorry
03:40 sladen Kinnison: hotkey-setup currently does that mapping for HP's and Dells
03:40 mdz hrmm
03:40 JaneW I'll mail ogra
03:40 mdz thanks
03:40 mdz CC me, please
03:40 mdz on both mails
03:41 mdz pitti: ?
03:41 pitti status of unimplemented specs:
* langpacks-desktopfiles: DONE: fix all non-KDE packages which needed
03:41 pitti manual updating, spec completed; PLAN: discuss the stuff with gnome/fd.o
upstream
03:41 pitti * reducing-duplication: DONE: bounty for openldap gnutls12 migration set
for vorlon; PLAN: gnutls 11->12 transition for all packages
03:41 pitti general stuff done this week: security updates, bugs, bugs, bugs, and CD
testing
03:41 pitti plan:
03:41 pitti * my spec implementations don't have any apparent big bugs, so I'm going to
concentrate to utopia related bug fixes first
03:41 pitti most important outstanding utopia issue ATM is to fix the unmounting, so
that icons go away when umount finishes, not already when it starts
03:41 pitti * Sort out power management mess on ppc with Kinnison (pbbuttonsd and g-p-m
fighting each other)
* I also have an awful lot of printing bugs, I could use a little help
03:41 pitti there if anyone is interested; otherwise I'll try to shake the worst ones
out for dapper
03:41 doko pitti: gnutls for dapper?
03:41 pitti doko: yes, switch over the remaining packages
03:41 pitti all but openldap are trivial
pitti: If you have ppc printing bugs, I might help shake them out next week
03:42 jbailey purely out of self interest. Otherwise it's possible that the bugs I have
just aren't reported yet =/
03:42 pitti jbailey: usually they aren't arch specific
03:42 doko ok, will have to remember to do that for ia32-libs-openoffice.org ...
03:42 pitti jbailey: which means that they also happen on ppc, so go ahead :)
03:42 dholbach pitti, mdz: i asked smurf but he said he didn't have the time for
gnutls-openldap
03:42 pitti vorlon accepted the bounty, right infinity?
03:42 mdz dholbach: it's ok, we found vorlon
03:43 dholbach ok super.
03:43 pitti dholbach: see my second line :)
03:43 iwj pitti: If you need me to help debug gs, let me know. I delved into it last
cycle ...
03:43 pitti mostly cupsys and gnome-cups-manager
03:43 pitti but thanks for the offer, there might actually be some gs ones, too
03:44 doko iwj: on ia64 gs is broken (cannot find gs_init.ps)
pitti: watch out for potential incoming todo items from the localization
03:44 mdz sprint; I will be there trying to enforce sanity but it's unknown what will
happen yet
03:44 iwj doko: do you have a bug # ? Or just assign it to me.
03:44 infinity pitti: He did, he already has prelimiary patches and is testing them
locally before he hands 'em over.
03:44 doko iwj: there is one, will search and assign it
03:44 pitti infinity: wow, that was quick
03:44 iwj doko: Thanks.
03:45 infinity pitti: I think he likes the idea of being paid for once. :)
03:45 mdz infinity: perhaps it will give him a chance to work directly with us and
see that we are not so evil after all ;-)
03:46 mdz thanks pitti
03:46 mdz seb128: ?
This week: GNOME 2.13.92, updated a bunch of GNOME packages to ship a -dbg,
03:46 seb128 session dialog change for "session lock" uploaded, load of bugs triage and
fixing
Todo this week: uploading gconf schemas registration speeding work, work
03:46 seb128 epiphany(galeon) for firefox change, panel submenu asked by Mark, some
polish on the session dialog, bug triage
03:46 seb128 .
03:46 seb128 Next week: UI sprint
03:46 mdz seb128: are the panel change and session dialog polish the only bits
remaining from dapper-desktop-plan?
03:47 seb128 the panel change was not on dapper desktop plan, that's a bug mark opened
like 2 weeks ago
03:47 seb128 but other way session stuff is the only real point remaining yep
03:47 mdz ok
03:47 mdz the panel thing is the Help submenu then?
03:47 seb128 and icons too ...
03:47 seb128 but I'm not an artist so ...
03:47 seb128 mdz: correct
03:48 mdz seb128: icons are arriving soon
03:48 seb128 the screenshot on the wiki looks nice :)
03:48 mdz jdub says he will bring them into u-a but will keep you in the loop
03:48 mdz seb128: thanks
03:49 seb128 k
03:49 mdz Riddell: ?
03:49 Riddell done: kubuntu-express: aiming to have initial release on Friday
03:49 Riddell also: uploading bug fixes from others, testing CDs for GNU/Linux User &
Developer Magazine
03:49 Riddell next week: user interface sprint
03:49 mdz Riddell: how is the kubuntu bug list?
03:50 mdz Riddell: any change on kubuntu-documentation from last week?
03:50 Riddell large, we've got a decent bug team now sorting them which is great
03:50 Riddell major problems are CUPS 1.2 support and various system settings issues
03:51 mdz ok
03:51 mdz Riddell: thanks
03:51 mdz with 9 minutes to spare
03:51 pitti Riddell: hmm, the library API didn't change, and gnome-cups-manager worked
with 1.2 even without a rebuild - what are the major issues here?
03:51 mdz any very quick questions or discussion topics, other business?
03:51 Kamion Riddell: are you keeping up with merges from espresso trunk?
03:51 Riddell pitti: KDE uses internal APIs for stuff that didn't have external APIs at
the time
03:52 elmo mdz: ARE WE THERE YET?
03:52 Riddell Kamion: yes, not done so for a couple of days
03:52 mdz elmo: 50 days or so
03:52 seb128 mdz: when did we get a consensus to use xchat for desktop? :)
ok, there was some stuff yesterday or so that will affect you - as usual
03:52 Kamion ask me if you need clarification on what the frontend methods are supposed
to do
03:52 seb128 mdz: but that's not really a meeting question
03:52 Riddell pitti: it's looking like the developer won't do the promised 1.2 support in
time so we may have to have a cups 1.1 package
03:53 pitti Riddell: ouch
03:53 mdz seb128: we didn't; we had a consensus that we don't need an IRC client in
desktop
03:53 seb128 mdz: and xorg bugs list looks not cool ...
03:53 mdz seb128: fabio will charge into that after espresso
03:53 seb128 oki
03:53 pitti oh, so we'll ship neither xchat nor x-g?
=== fabbione wisper to mdz that he has only 24h/d.. but will try
03:53 mdz pitti: correct
03:53 seb128 mdz: where has the "no IRC client" been discussed? Having one doesn't eat a
lot and can be handy
03:53 mdz fabbione: I said 'after', not 'while'
03:54 mdz seb128: we already have gaim
03:54 fabbione mdz: now i feel better :)))
03:54 seb128 gaim is lame for IRC
03:54 mdz seb128: IRC is sort of a developer / power user thing
03:54 pitti but most normal users actually use ICQ and such, not iRC
03:54 seb128 "momentum users"? :)
03:55 fabbione mdz, seb128: i will be glad if somebody will start at least closing
duplicates...
03:55 fabbione that doesn't require my 31337 X skills
03:55 fabbione and it will spare my time later
03:55 mdz fabbione: perhaps pitti has some time
=== fabbione points is finger towards desktop
03:56 seb128 I barely cope with desktop bugs flood but I can give it a try
03:56 mdz fabbione: or Kinnison
03:56 infinity I can dupe a bunch and close some obvsiously false reports, I just need to
find some spare time to do so.
=== mvo can helps after the sprint as well
03:56 mdz seb128: please, I need you to stay alive at least for the release
03:56 seb128 mdz: ok ok, don't worry :)
03:57 infinity Oh, sure HE gets special "gets to continue living" treatment. :P
=== seb128 intends to stay alive for the release and long time after that :)
03:57 seb128 infinity: :p
03:57 pitti seb128: after all, we still need you for gnome 2.128 :)
03:57 dholbach mdz: i will bring tollef the good news, that he has popcon access :)
03:58 mdz ok, official notice: NOBODY DIE
03:58 seb128 pitti: right, and that's quite a long time from now ;)
03:58 Kinnison mdz: aww
=== pitti tries to remember that
=== mvo makes a note to not die
=== Kinnison wonders how long before he can go to bed
03:58 JaneW mdz: that's so sweet :)
03:58 pitti but we aren't in a London hotel, so the chances are pretty good :)
03:58 fabbione mdz: WHOOO HOOO
03:58 silbs Kinnison: you can't die, but you can't sleep either
03:58 fabbione mdz: thanks!
03:58 infinity pitti: <grin>
03:58 mdz silbs: a spy!
03:58 seb128 Kinnison: if you wait a bit that will be time to wake up and no need to go
to bed :)
03:58 Kinnison silbs: if I don't go to bed soon, rjek *may* kill me
03:59 mdz ok, we're clearly finished being productive here
03:59 mdz adjournedMeetingLogs/DapperDev_2006-03-02 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:24:26 by localhost)