DapperDev_2006-04-13
04:02 mdz texted Keybuk, let's get started
04:02 mdz seb128: ready?
04:02 Riddell mdz: I think kwwii will have a report too
04:02 seb128 This week: GNOME 2.14.1, some bug triage, patches review, fixed a bunch of issues on the desktop
04:02 seb128 .
04:02 seb128 next week: keep triaging bugs and fixes issues on the desktop, trying candidates for dapper beta CD
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04:03 mdz is 2.14.1 done, or is there more to go?
04:03 pitti hey Keybuk
04:03 seb128 mdz: still gdm to upload, out of that it's done
04:03 mdz great
04:03 mdz seb128: any bugs which should be on the radar for beta/
04:03 mdz ?
04:03 seb128 no, no blocker
04:03 seb128 rather a list of annoyances which would be nice to fix for dapper
04:04 seb128 but no stopper
04:04 mdz ok, if you come across any (for beta or final), go ahead and set a 6.06 milestone so that I see it
04:04 seb128 I've used milestone quite often in fact
04:04 mdz ok
04:05 seb128 but I use it as a "we should look at that for dapper"
04:05 seb128 not "we have to fix it"
04:05 mdz I've used it for both nice to fix and for blockers
04:05 doko mdz: milestones for RC reports only?
04:05 mdz we can distinguish by severity I suppose
04:05 seb128 right
04:05 mdz doko: I see it as a sort of "relevant to the release" tag at this point, so it's more than just RC
04:06 mdz also small stuff which may not be a showstopper, but should definitely be looked at for the release
04:06 doko ok
04:06 mdz e.g., cosmetic issues which are easy to fix but might otherwise be forgotten
04:06 mdz thanks seb128
04:06 mdz Riddell: next?
04:06 Riddell done: KDE Espresso
04:06 Riddell also: fixes to kpdf, kaffeine, openoffice. testing CUPS and kdeprint
04:06 Riddell blocked: anyone want to help me get scim/skim working so can test doko's fix on amd64?
04:06 Riddell todo: kde espresso: add map widget page, quite a few fixes to qt parted. looking good for beta release
04:07 Riddell s/page//, the page is fine, it's just missing a pretty map
04:07 mdz Riddell: I need for you to spend some solid time in malone before beta, to check for bugs which may need attention for beta
04:08 Riddell mdz: I agree but so far I've treated espresso as my priority
04:08 mdz right, if it's in good functional shape for beta, the polish can wait until after beta
04:09 mdz the rest of the system needs attention also
04:09 mdz if there is someone we can recruit to help you with that, talk with me
04:09 Riddell true, I'll try and get espresso into a shape I'm happy with by end of tomorrow so I can do bug fixes next week
04:09 Riddell help with bugs or espresso?
04:10 mdz but the bug list is huge and I'm concerned there may be some surprises lurking there
04:10 mdz Riddell: either way, to get more attention on bugs
04:10 mdz Riddell: mvo has familiarized himself with scim and may be able to help there
04:11 Riddell people with kubuntu, debconf and pykde knowledge are very rare. bug fixers I can think of though
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04:11 mvo Riddell: can we talk about scim/skim after the meeting?
04:11 mdz Riddell: ok, thanks
04:11 Riddell mvo: sure, please
04:11 mvo Riddell: it should work (after the latest uploads) out of the box on kubuntu again
04:12 Kamion I expect the level of debconf knowledge required now is a bit less than was required when we were building the infrastructure
04:12 mdz kwwii: Riddell mentioned that you might have something prepared to present here?
04:12 kwwii mdz: yepp, might not be so impressive, but here goes
04:12 kwwii I have touched up the wallpaper (made it a bit lighter) and am working on a color scheme to fit well with the new wallpaper.
04:12 kwwii Finishing work on new buttons for the window decoration
04:12 kwwii My goal for next week for Kubuntu is to finish all three of these things, since they rely so heavily on another, and get them packaged so that they can be tested.
04:12 kwwii After that I'll touch up the KDM theme to match (2 buttons, bg color, etc.)
04:13 Riddell (kwwii is Ken Wimer, doing the Kubuntu Dapper artwork and some ubuntu artwork for those who don't know)
04:13 kwwii in addition to all that, we need to finish the Usplash stuff for *buntu
04:13 mdz kwwii: with a goal of having them in place for beta?
04:13 kwwii mdz: when exaclty is the deadline? but, yes, that was my idea
04:14 mdz kwwii: we'll start rolling candidates on Tuesday
04:14 kwwii cool, I should have something by then
04:14 kwwii all up to the kdm theme, unless I get a lot of time on the weekend :-)
04:14 ogra kwwii, are you also responsible for the edubuntu artwork ?
04:15 mdz kwwii: I don't know if Jane or Mark already discussed this wih you, but we'd like to have the text 'beta' sprinkled around so that it shows up in press screenshots, etc., and avoids confusion about the nature of this release
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04:15 kwwii mdz: great idea, I will add that to the pic
04:15 mdz kwwii: usplash, login background, login splash, etc., the stuff which is likely to be screenshotted
04:16 mdz kwwii: great, thanks
04:16 kwwii ogra: not responsible, no, but I have talked to some people to try and help a bit :-)
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04:16 mdz pitti: next?
04:16 kwwii mdz: who can tell me what info is corret?
04:16 kwwii wait!
04:16 kwwii pone second
04:16 kwwii :-)
04:16 kwwii one
04:16 JaneW kwwii: that would be nice if we could get some edubuntu help
04:16 kwwii https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Usplash/Artwork
04:16 kwwii is that info right?
04:16 mdz kwwii: we have a very tight time table for this meeting and 17 people need to present; we can't spend more than a few minutes with anyone
04:17 kwwii JaneW: cool, I'll do what I can
04:17 mdz kwwii: I'll look at it after the meeting, ok?
04:17 kwwii mdz: ok, sorry
04:17 kwwii mdz: sure, thanks :-)
04:17 mdz pitti: ?
04:17 pitti reducing-duplication: got rid of some gtk1.2 dependencies, but some are still there; no other progress
04:17 pitti general stuff done this week:
04:17 pitti * security updates
04:17 pitti * bug triage and bug fixing
04:17 pitti * cupsys: had much fun with preparing 1.2rc2 packages, requested testing them on u-devel before asking to put it into dapper; also improved cooperation with Debian a lot to reduce our delta and maintain it sanely in revision control now; my plan is to get this into dapper ASAP and then fix the remaining bugs in 1.2rc2 to get help from upstream
04:17 pitti * KDE printing: got a friend of mine to look into the issue; he found a number of issues in kdeprint which break stuff; sent a preliminary patch to Riddell to make printing with our cups work at all, more stuff to come
04:17 pitti * new language packs
04:17 pitti * espresso testing (I declare myself as Kamion's official test suite - if it will finally work for me, it must work everywhere :) )
04:17 pitti plan for next week:
04:17 pitti * huge security update: ffox 1.0.8 and friends; iwj agreed to help me with that
04:17 pitti * making baby jesus cry harder about cups and its bugs
04:17 pitti * attempt to fix some long-standing ALSA related bugs
04:17 pitti * look into other bugs (dhcp3 needs some love, too)
04:17 pitti * catch up with bug triage
04:18 mdz pitti: did you and iwj look at gs?
04:18 pitti mdz: not yet, sorry; I was just swamped
04:18 mdz no worries
04:18 pitti mdz: your idea is to get rid of gs-gpl and just keep -esp or so?
04:18 mdz pitti: please wait until after beta freeze for the new cups unless there are showstopper bugs for beta
04:19 pitti mdz: wrt kde and printing, would you be fine if that friend of mine claims the bounty if he fixes some stuff?
04:19 mdz pitti: only if we arrange in advance; there is no posted bounty
04:19 pitti mdz: yes, of course; I thought I have the new cups tested for some days, and upload it right after beta release
04:20 mdz pitti: ok, you did say ASAP ;-)
04:20 pitti mdz: sure, we'll prepare a writeup
04:20 mdz pitti: how do the numbers look on the new langpacks?
04:20 pitti mdz: yes, I don't consider it a good idea to upload it for beta :)
04:20 mdz are the rosetta exports more complete?
04:20 pitti mdz: still merging with my buildd data; rosetta still lags, mainly wrt KDE
04:21 mdz pitti: please find out from carlos if we can get better exports for beta
04:21 pitti mdz: a bit, but not significantly still around 30% coverage
04:21 pitti yep, will do
04:21 mdz ok, thanks pitti
04:21 mdz ogra: next?
04:21 ogra * general: g-s-s flickering hunted down and fixed. worked on the ltsp-client-builder.udeb progress reporting (sadly the fifo lets ltsp-build-client die, i'm still investigating, seems the frontend is to slow). further edubuntu and ltsp doc stuff. more small bugs killed. cleaning up malone from fixed but unclosed bugs on my list
04:21 ogra * next-week: bughunt. getting edubuntu and ltsp documentation into the default edubuntu install. still waiting for artwork from the design company. making the last changes to ltsp and the ltsp-client-builder.udeb (i.e. making dhcpd.conf not a conffile to not break on upgrades). final xscreensaver stuff. preparing edubuntu for beta release
04:22 mdz ltsp-client-builder progress reporting?
04:22 mdz was that part of a feature speC?
04:22 ogra nope, thats was a leftover from breezy
04:22 ogra currently the progressbar has only 3 steps
04:23 ogra i can leave it like that, doesnt hurt, but i'd prefer to have it proper for dapper
04:23 mdz what's involved?
04:23 ogra having a proper fifo pipe from ltsp-build-client to the UI
04:23 mdz ack
04:23 mdz that's pre-featurefreeze sort of stuff
04:23 ogra apparently the pipe dies before the reading starts
04:24 mdz please defer to post-dapper and concentrate on bugs
04:24 ogra i'll do it anyway in the devel branch, if you dont want it in, we can postpone, as i said its only ugly
04:24 ogra ok
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04:25 mdz ogra: who is your contact for the edubuntu artwork? silbs?
04:25 ogra yep
04:25 mdz and she doesn't return until tuesday, hrm
04:25 ogra i had a preview of the artwork and adjusted the other ui elements accordingly
04:25 mdz she said she could accept calls, though, I'll try her
04:25 ogra but then she said they would probably change the whole colouring, which i'm not really fond of
04:26 mdz ogra: any beta blocker bugs for edubuntu, ensure that they have a 6.06 milestone set
04:26 ogra sine then i havent heard anything
04:26 mdz ogra: I'll call her
04:26 JaneW but we weren;t really given a date for the final stuff...
04:26 JaneW beyond the deadlines
04:26 ogra no blockers
04:26 mdz ogra: including any which turn up over the next days ;-)
04:26 mdz ogra: thanks
04:26 ogra :)
04:26 mdz mvo: next?
04:27 mvo Did:
04:27 mvo - update-manager updates (added --check-dist-upgrades), various bugfixes
04:27 mvo - gksu/update-manager breezy-backport uploaded, fixing a few remarks from kamion (will upload again right after the meeting)
04:27 mvo - CJK+thai work (input methods uploads, ff with better libthai support)
04:27 mvo - fixed some startup-notifcation releated problems
04:27 mvo - general bugtriage + bugfixing (notitication-daemon size-miscacluations, gksu passes http_proxy on now, etc)
04:27 mvo Will do:
04:27 mvo - more bugfixing/bug triage (still lacking behind)
04:27 mvo - dist-upgrade tool work (make it more robust)
04:27 mvo - looking into the state of apt (open patches etc)
04:27 mvo Blocked:
04:27 mvo - sysadmin setup for the auto-dist-upgrade
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04:27 mdz mvo: please prepare instructions for doing a breezy->dapper upgrade using the tool, for inclusion in the beta release announcement
04:27 mdz mvo: we'll do a major call for upgrade testing there
04:28 mvo mdz: ok, it's just "update-manager -d"
04:28 mvo but I'll write up something more appropriate
04:28 mdz mvo: speaking of startup-notification, espresso really needed that the last time I looked
04:28 mdz it takes a long time to load from the live CD and there was no feedback
04:28 mvo mdz: ok, I can talk to kamion about it
04:28 mdz thanks
04:28 mvo cheers
04:29 JaneW Mithrandir
04:29 JaneW misc: vacation, polished the live cds, fixing bugs in casper, bug
04:29 JaneW triage on xkb problems, other general bug triage. Started
04:29 JaneW looking at popcon
04:29 JaneW next week: more vacation, fix popcon, beta release
04:29 JaneW blocked: no
04:29 mdz ok
04:29 mdz is he on holiday?
04:29 JaneW yes today, fri and monday
04:29 JaneW he was working this morning though
04:30 mdz ok, back tues
04:30 mdz thanks
04:30 mdz Kinnison: online?
04:30 Kinnison yep
04:31 Kinnison gnome-power-manager: Preparing 2.14.1 (bugfixes from upstream), not finished it yet
04:31 Kinnison launchpad: Got test suite merged for soyuz upload checks. Helped cprov track down issue with duplicated origs. Manually got python-vte into main in breezy-updates. (solves the immediate issue in 36022). Got dist-upgrader signing merged.
04:31 Kinnison publisher: d-i pocket support is done, I need to get it merged.
04:31 Kinnison general: Lots of bug work on random bugs assigned to me. Various uploads made to correct as many of them as I can.
04:31 Kinnison lp-ongoing: Merge d-i pocket support (trivial). Finish the resolution of the duplicated orig.tar.gzs, need to talk with Kamion about this once I have the info.
04:31 Kinnison distro-ongoing: Still need to try and resolve gparted ui bug. Continue squashing the bugs handed to me in general. Get g-p-m 2.14.1 in and continue finding cherrypicks for upstream.
04:31 Kinnison bug-status: I have a large buglist for gnome-power-manager which could do with some serious love. Hopefully I'll have a block of time to dedicate to this next week.
04:31 Kinnison [end]
04:32 mdz when is the next bug day? today? tomorrow?
04:32 seb128 today
04:32 Kamion any particular gparted UI bug, or do you mean the UI bug called gparted? :-)
04:32 mdz Kinnison: ubuntu-laptop would be a good theme for a bug day, though it'll have to be after beta
04:32 Kinnison Kamion: "the ui bug" is the "not refreshing properly" one
04:32 Kamion ah yes
04:32 Kinnison mdz: Aye it would.
04:32 Kinnison dholbach: can you and I talk about that?
04:32 mdz Kinnison: coordinate with dholbach on that
04:32 dholbach i'll prepare an announce for next time
04:33 mdz ;-)
04:33 mdz dholbach: what's today's theme?
04:33 dholbach KERNEL HUGS!
04:33 mdz how is that working out?
04:33 dholbach there has been some clean up going on, but people were a bit uncoordinated due to lack of kernel people
04:33 mdz are people basically working from the kernel team's +subscribedbugs?
04:33 dholbach old needsinfo bugs were cleaned out this morning
04:34 dholbach +packagebugs is a bit more comprehensive
04:34 dholbach i hope all the kernel guys pop in soon and give directions
04:34 Seveas urgh, so far I failed to attend all hug days
04:35 ogra Seveas, there are bugs between the hugdays ;)
04:35 dholbach #ubuntu-bugs now! everybody! :-)
04:35 BenC I didn't know you needed any one :)
04:35 mdz BenC: now that we have daytime in the US, please spend time there
04:35 mdz should be a great opportunity to get help asking for more info on bugs, and trying to confirm
04:36 mdz Kinnison: thanks
04:36 mdz Keybuk: next?
04:36 Keybuk * lots of bug fixing
04:36 Keybuk * have rookery finding packages relying on /var/run/* and /var/lock/*; as well as using obsolete directories like /etc/hotplug
04:36 Keybuk * doing main uploads to fix those myself, and going to do a mass-filing on universe
04:36 Keybuk * started ftp admin work after getting lessons from colin
04:36 Keybuk * dpkg 2 docs
04:36 BenC yeah, so far the help has been really great
04:36 Keybuk * bad bug found in udev that should be fixed before release: calls ifup with the old interface name after renaming it
04:36 BenC the trivial bugs is what is slowing me down
04:36 mdz BenC: trivial impact or trivial to fix?
04:37 mdz BenC: for the former, downgrade them and prioritize the rest
04:37 BenC it's the perusing of those trivial bugs that slows me down
04:37 BenC I still have to read them :)
04:37 mdz Keybuk: is the /var/run search still running?
04:37 Kamion Keybuk: I'd appreciate help on the openssh bug about /var/run - it seems to be real (had several reports now), and might only happen during the upgrade, so might be an upgrade ordering bug
04:38 Kamion Keybuk: bug 38921 et al
04:38 Ubugtu Malone bug 38921 in openssh openssh-server "Breezy->dapper upgrade missing /var/run/sshd" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38921
04:38 Keybuk mdz: no, I have a list for that one now
04:38 Keybuk Kamion: ok, I'll look into that for you
04:38 Kamion thanks
04:38 Kamion AFAICT the init script is sane
04:39 mdz Keybuk: please also search malone for any /var/run bugs which haven't been tended yet...unfortunately I think the quirks of malone searching make that tricky right now, maybe confer with #launchpad
04:39 Keybuk mdz: all the easy fixes have been uploaded, there's a small few which don't have init scripts but rely on /var/run subdirs
04:40 Seveas Keybuk, should you be subscribed to all /ver/run bugs?
04:40 mdz cf. bug #29227
04:40 Ubugtu Malone bug 29227 in malone "Searching for "pmu" doesn't find "/dev/pmu"" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29227
04:40 mdz the full text indexing breaks up words in unexpected ways sometimes
04:41 Keybuk Seveas: if they're in main, yes
04:41 mdz indeed
04:41 mdz Keybuk: what's the bug# for the udev issue, and is its milestone set?
04:42 Keybuk milestone is set
04:42 mdz ok, I'll see it then
04:42 mdz thanks Keybuk
04:42 mdz Kamion: next?
04:42 Kamion ubuntu-express-base-system: Keyboard selection now propagated to installed system. choose-mirror/apt-setup done. Selected country propagated to locale selection. I'm calling this implemented now.
04:42 Keybuk ubuntu 38787
04:42 Kamion ue-gnome-ui: Now displays selected country. Hostname defaults improved per discussion at UI sprint. I believe the only thing remaining in this specification is getting a reasonable icon; I've asked the art team for help with that.
04:42 Keybuk bug 38787 even :)
04:42 Kamion ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Belatedly marked implemented; had been wrongly marked as awaiting deployment for a while.
04:42 Ubugtu Malone bug 38787 in udev "add action uses wrong interface name in 85-ifupdown.rules" [Major,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38787
04:42 Kamion ubuntu-express-bootloader: Tested and fixed yaboot support. Espresso now finally works on powerpc (after I make today's upload)! Implemented.
04:42 Kamion ubuntu-express: Fixed debconf to notice write errors when saving its databases, which totally wedged espresso if the live CD ran out of memory and was probably the underlying cause of a lot of database corruption bugs.
04:42 Kamion server-candy: Added preseeded kernel override facility to base-installer, which should keep Fabio happy. :-)
04:42 Kamion misc: Uploaded Thai console support patches. Fixed up oem-config a bit so that it at least vaguely works again, but I need to allocate some time post-beta to clean this up some more.
04:42 Kamion next-week: If I have time before beta, I want to fix espresso's reboot step, clean up a few strings, and possibly execute the proposed rename to ubiquity. Vacation from Friday to Tuesday inclusive. Beta preparation on Wednesday and Thursday.
04:43 mdz Kamion: sounds like things are coming together for beta
04:44 Kamion yeah, it's not too bad, still concerned about some partitioning bugs but I think general fixes I've made may have cleared up more of those than is immediately obvious
04:44 Kamion worst problem is basically poor error handling in places
04:44 mdz my primary UI concern the last time I used espresso was that there are several points where there is a lag between the user action and the completion of drawing the next page
04:45 mdz is it possible to get a busy cursor from the time the button is clicked until, e.g. the list of languages is filled?
04:45 Kamion yeah, tricky to fix but I agree that should be addressed for release
04:45 Kamion that should be possible, I just don't want to rock that boat for beta now
04:45 mdz ok. startup-notification would also make a big difference there
04:45 Kamion I may be able to get a busy cursor in places but not completely
04:45 mdz right, agreed
04:45 ogra you can also do ugly things with gtktimeout and gtk_main iteration to keep it "fake responsive"
04:45 Kamion should I do the ubiquity rename before beta or after?
04:45 ogra as a last resort
04:46 Kamion ogra: it's not a UI thread being blocked problem
04:46 ogra ah, k
04:46 Kamion (i.e. is Mark going to turn up on Wednesday and say "why didn't you rename it?" :-))
04:46 mdz is it really that common to run out of space on the live CD? are people using it on low-memory systems?
04:46 mdz Kamion: after beta, please ;-)
04:46 Kamion the tmpfs is only half of memory so it's easy enough if you're doing other stuff
04:47 ogra define low memory :)
04:47 mdz Kamion: if that does happen, please refer him to me
04:47 ogra there are people running the liveCD on 256M
04:47 Kamion happens to me a fair bit when building espresso on the live CD and then running it
04:47 Kamion mdz: ok, thanks
04:47 Kamion (with 512MB of memory)
04:47 mdz thanks Kamion
04:47 mdz JaneW: no note from iwj, right?
04:47 JaneW nope
04:48 mdz infinity?
04:48 JaneW sy fixes have been uploaded, there's a small few which don't have init scripts but rely on /var/run subdirs
04:48 JaneW Seveas Keybuk, should you be subscribed to all /ver/run bugs?
04:48 JaneW oops sorry wrong paste
04:48 JaneW infinity
04:48 JaneW last week buildd: Continued hunting down build failures, got elmo to set up dapper-autotest, which should light up shortly. Investigated some livefs speedups, and livefs build issues on ia64.
04:48 JaneW last week distro: Finished off the mysqlclient transition, including resolving several new build failures, uploaded a glibc with some bugfixes, did some X bugfixing and triaging, new NVIDIA drivers, new Samba.
04:48 JaneW next week buildd: Babysit dapper-autotest and start fixing build failures and/or filing bugs, get livefs up to speed on all architectures in time for beta.
04:48 JaneW next week distro: Get in some critical bugfixes before beta for initramfs-tools, and scrape some Thunderbird branding (been fighting with this off and on) in just under the UI freeze wire.
04:49 JaneW and I have fabbione's too
04:49 JaneW fabbione
04:49 JaneW server-candy: Missing/buggy: apache2 for "central snakeoil SSL setup" and kernel -server as default from CD install. Big cleanup of the install CD's.
04:49 JaneW * ubuntu-cluster: Fixed one pending bug. No other progresses.
04:49 JaneW * last week: bug squashing.
04:49 JaneW * next week: bug squashing.
04:49 mdz ok
04:49 Kamion fabbione's server-candy blocked list is out of date; see my report
04:50 mdz fabio emailed that earlier in the week I think
04:50 mdz thanks JaneW
04:50 Seveas (there are new ati drivers, infinity will be thrilled about all bugreports to come</sarcasm>)
04:50 mdz heno: next?
04:50 heno * winfoss: started work on the kubuntu version. It needs a distinct look and some new apps. See: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/winfoss/dapper/kubuntu/
04:50 heno * accessibility: Tested the newly landed setting on the Live CD today. Some configurations still need some adjustment.
04:50 heno * xorg: triaging bugs. Got help from Seveas to prepare a script that simplifies the collection of debugging info, esp. on Live CDs
04:51 mdz Kamion: are we already equipped for different winfoss for kubuntu, as far as building CD images?
04:51 Riddell heno: looking nice there
04:51 mdz I didn't realize that was in the works
04:51 Riddell mdz: yes, that happened in breezy
04:51 Kamion mdz: yes
04:51 heno mdz: we've done that each time so far
04:51 mdz shows how often I've put a kubuntu CD into a windows machine ;-)
04:51 Riddell heno: I should give you the version of the logo we're using in dapper
04:51 Keybuk "what's a kubuntu CD?" :)
04:51 Kamion heno: send me a mail with the URL when it's ready, please
04:51 heno Riddell: cool, thanks
04:51 JaneW Keybuk: I have one
04:52 heno Kamion: right
04:52 mdz heno: I've been subscribing the accessibility team to a11y bugs as I come across them
04:52 Riddell heno: did you look at scribus and speedcrunch?
04:52 mdz they are starting to become more common now that the work is more visible
04:52 heno mdz: good, yes I get those
04:52 heno Riddell: only briefly
04:52 heno Riddell: but the plan is to include them, yes
04:52 mdz heno: is fabio going to get that script added to the packages?
04:53 heno mdz: the sript is just something the users download to collect debug info
04:53 kwwii heno: I could give you the new version of the logo I made for dapper, for those winfoss screens
04:53 heno no need to include it anywhere
04:53 mdz heno: it would be even more efficient if it were in the package and they only needed to run it...something to talk with fabio about
04:53 Seveas mdz, I hope not - it's not ready for that yet
04:54 mdz heno: thanks
04:54 mdz doko: next?
04:54 doko - openoffice.org: dapper: waiting for removal of rosetta data before next upload, breezy backport builds now, needs packaging adjustments. 5 new OOo locales integrated, bug fixes.
04:54 doko - toolchain-ng: no progress
04:54 doko - font: made the Nimbus family an alias for the Adobe standard families again
04:54 doko - printing: cupsys fixes, new ppd layout, updates of driver packages, bug fixes, currently pending approval: foomatic-filters-ppds, foomatic-db-hpijs, hplip.
04:54 doko - other: bug fixes in mcpp, xrdb, fontforge, toolchain, some syncs.
04:54 doko - got a pointer from debian-printing to attend #printing-summit on irc, very short note (seems to be a meeting every six months, this time in Atlanta, interesting things: have a printing gui independent of a toolkit, ppd reorganization)
04:54 heno people were reporting crashed X on the live CD and then were stuck in how to get the files uploaded
04:54 doko - some support stuff with mdy and elmo
04:54 doko - blocked: OOo, printing upgrades, toolchain-ng
04:54 mdz doko: removal of rosetta data?
04:54 doko - plan for next week: have all printing packages updated to let people test with recent printer descriptions
04:54 doko - OOo uploads, OOo breezy build
04:55 mdz doko: any feedback on the font change? have you searched for relevant bugs in malone?
04:55 doko mdz: same thing as last week, we need to kill all OOo imports, and the start again
04:55 doko mdz: just one per #irc for now
04:55 mdz doko: go ahead with foomatic-filters-ppds and foomatic-db-hpijs
04:55 mdz doko: remind me about hplip after beta
04:55 doko mdz: ok, what about hplip 0.9.7?
04:56 mdz I don't want to change it during beta freeze unless there is a blocker for beta
04:56 mdz I'll more easily find time to test it after beta
04:57 doko well, it works, not just for me, but anyway
04:57 mdz doko: is carlos handling the rosetta stuff?
04:57 doko mdz: stub and carlos, yes
04:57 mdz doko: yes, I understand, but we are in beta freeze
04:58 mdz doko: is there an ETA? are any of the blocked ooo changes targeting beta?
04:58 doko mdz: it would be nice to have translations from rosetta in a -l10n build
04:58 mdz ok, thanks doko
04:58 mdz dholbach: next?
04:58 dholbach icon-mission: regular updates to tangerine, wrote another call for help to ubuntu-art - looks good; Mark pinged Dave about Icons Tuesday - will compile a list of bugs against the icons for him
04:58 dholbach bugs: HUG DAY today, introduced weekly bug goals for the Desktop Team, (with the help of volunteers and upstream people) we start catching up slowly, although it's a daily battle to stay on top and lots of old bugs need cleaning and updating
04:58 dholbach universe: announced ssl (0.9.{7,8}) transition, will mass-file bugs (for unmet dependencies as well), to have a list and good overview
04:58 dholbach this week (done): gnome 2.14.1, bug triage, hug day
04:58 dholbach this week (todo): bug triage, hug day
04:59 dholbach next week: bug triage, cd testing, universe lists
04:59 mdz a reminder, everyone should be participating in bug days at this point in the release
05:00 dholbach mdz: shall we switch to weekly bug days now?
05:00 mdz most of you are primarily working on bugs anyway, and doing this within the context of a bug day helps others learn to help as well
05:00 JaneW dholbach: yes, I think so...
05:00 dholbach normally i'd do them every two weeks
05:00 mdz dholbach: possibly, if we can avoid conflicting with milestone releases
05:00 dholbach ok
05:00 dholbach i'll talk to Kinnison about the next one
05:00 mdz we'll get better participation from the full team if there isn't a flight going on at the same time
05:00 dholbach and get all the laptop testers reactivated
05:01 JaneW dholbach: can we do them mid-week?
05:01 mdz thanks dholbach
05:01 mdz BenC: last up
05:01 BenC Kernel bugs: Sifting through them still. Finally have some outside help going through the trivial bugs (closing old inactive ones, finding dupes, requesting testing with latest kernels, etc). Should be caught up and settled down to the critical bugs by next week.
05:01 dholbach JaneW: why mid-week? - I always thought friday was good choice.
05:01 mdz BenC: any beta-relevant bugs on your list?
05:02 BenC nothing that's a showstopper for beta, no
05:02 JaneW dholbach: the distro team is tired on a friday, they want to wrap up their week and would rather do this during the week
05:02 mdz ok, we're over time already
05:02 mdz thanks BenC
05:02 JaneW dholbach: that's the feedback I have got
05:02 dholbach JaneW: ok... everybody ok with laptop hugs on wednesday?
05:03 mdz I'll be off the rest of today, but reachable by phone
05:03 mdz and will likely check email in the evening
05:03 Kinnison dholbach: fine by me
05:03 mdz thanks, everyone
05:03 mdz adjournedMeetingLogs/DapperDev_2006-04-13 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:15:54 by localhost)