{{{ 03:01 Madpilot morning all 03:01 Kamping_Kaiser hey. 03:02 jsgotangco hi ho! 03:02 robotgeek mornin 03:02 jsgotangco shall we? 03:02 jsgotangco who's here? === robotgeek is Venkat Raghavan === jsgotangco is JeromeGotangco === Madpilot is Brian Burger === jjesse is Jonathan Jesse === Kamping_Kaiser is Karl Goetz (not offical team member, but list memeber) 03:03 jsgotangco Kamping_Kaiser, welcome nonetheless :) 03:03 Kamping_Kaiser :) thanks 03:03 jsgotangco ok https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda 03:03 jsgotangco is the agenda 03:03 jsgotangco i wasn't at the last meeting so i dunno what transpired there 03:03 jsgotangco (there was no summary either) 03:03 jjesse mdke around? 03:04 jsgotangco probably at work #1 Use of common files for a number of documents. For 03:04 jsgotangco example, preface.xml and getting-help.xml should be common between all documents. (mdke) === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:04 jsgotangco hmm 03:04 jsgotangco anyone have an idea about that? === bhuvan is too late 03:04 jjesse the same across kubuntu and ubuntu docs? 03:04 jsgotangco bhuvan, just in time 03:05 jsgotangco hmm 03:05 jsgotangco i think so 03:05 robotgeek maybe it can be same for ubuntu, same for all kubuntu stuff 03:05 jsgotangco aren't they common before? === jsgotangco does not remember 03:05 Madpilot I assume mdke means the getting-help.xml in the (k)ubuntu Desktop guides? 03:06 jsgotangco he 03:06 jsgotangco he's not here anyhow 03:06 jsgotangco let's go to #2 first 03:06 jsgotangco # 03:06 jsgotangco WikiCleanupProposal 03:06 jsgotangco * 03:06 jsgotangco discussion of approval of the suggested reforms 03:06 jsgotangco hrmmm 03:06 jjesse wwhy is it so hard to get doc team people to show up to these meetigns/ 03:06 jjesse ? 03:07 jsgotangco jjesse, good question 03:07 Madpilot have people had a look at UserDocumentationBeta? 03:07 jsgotangco our man from brisbane isn't here 03:07 Kamping_Kaiser jjesse: because it's such a spread out group maybe *shrug* 03:07 jsgotangco Namaan === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:07 Kamping_Kaiser jsgotangco: it's 1am brisbane (au) time (iirc) 03:07 jsgotangco hmm 03:07 jsgotangco right 03:07 Kamping_Kaiser it's 00:37 here. 03:08 jsgotangco where are you at? 03:08 Kamping_Kaiser central Australia 03:08 jsgotangco thought so 03:08 jsgotangco Alice Springs? 03:08 jsgotangco anyway 03:09 Kamping_Kaiser Adelaide (hills) 03:09 jsgotangco Madpilot, what about UserDocumentationBeta 03:09 jsgotangco none? 03:10 jsgotangco ok #3 03:10 bhuvan its me! 03:10 jsgotangco Review ServerGuide sections 03:10 bhuvan service guide is almost through 03:10 jsgotangco bhuvan, go go go 03:10 bhuvan i prefer to proof-read the sections and set it finished 03:11 jsgotangco how complete is it? 03:11 bhuvan technically, it is complete 90% complete 03:11 jsgotangco whoa 03:11 jjesse that's awesome 03:12 jsgotangco bhuvan, when do you expect the manuscript to be done? 03:12 jsgotangco a week more? 03:12 bhuvan some one should check the english/grammar and what not ? === freeflying__ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:12 bhuvan if you mean translation, once proof reading is complete ? DocumentationStringFreeze is on March 23 that gives us 1 03:12 jsgotangco month to review the document before passing it for translation 03:13 jsgotangco that's really really good === robotgeek gives sigh of relief 03:13 bhuvan so, we have enough time. but remember the status remains for couple of weeks now! 03:13 Kamping_Kaiser jsgotangco: does that mean we have a month to clean up the wording, or 1 month of translaiton time? 03:13 Madpilot Kamping_Kaiser: a month of cleanup 03:13 Kamping_Kaiser cool 03:14 jsgotangco Kamping_Kaiser, we have almost a month to finish up the documents before passing it for translation 03:14 jsgotangco translation is given almost a month 03:14 jsgotangco bhuvan, ping us when the manuscript is done 03:14 Kamping_Kaiser wow ok 03:14 jsgotangco then i can arrange for a review day 03:14 bhuvan jsgotangco, ? 03:14 jsgotangco DOCREVU 03:14 Madpilot Kamping_Kaiser: there's a Dapper release timetable on the wiki somewhere 03:15 jsgotangco bhuvan, you can send to the list when its 100% right? 03:15 jsgotangco then we can do reviews 03:15 Madpilot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule 03:15 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok 03:15 jsgotangco (i'll start reading in advance) 03:15 jjesse can we start reviewing before the doc is 100% or do you just want us to wait for making suggestions? 03:15 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok 03:15 Kamping_Kaiser thanks Madpilot 03:15 jsgotangco we can start review in advance 03:16 bhuvan jjesse, i want to continue with review === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:16 bhuvan jjesse, we need not wait till it is 100% complete 03:16 jsgotangco i suggest people who review edit the document by only adding 03:16 jsgotangco comments nothing more 03:16 bhuvan jjesse, imo, we should wait to complete 100% before moving to translation 03:16 jjesse agreed 03:16 jsgotangco unless we actually see a typo 03:16 jjesse to comments 03:16 bhuvan jsgotangco, agreed 03:16 jsgotangco cool? 03:17 jsgotangco 03:17 bhuvan should be ok; author can be identified by userid ? 03:18 bhuvan jsgotangco, or you expect people to submit patches for review ? 03:18 jsgotangco hmmm 03:18 jsgotangco good question 03:18 jsgotangco it could be silly to commit patches that only have comments though 03:18 jsgotangco i guess doc.ubuntu.com will be of good use here 03:18 jsgotangco on second thought 03:18 jjesse couldn't suggestions become comments and actually technical problems or issues be actually commeted? 03:18 jjesse committed 03:18 bhuvan in the past, how did we handle this situation ? 03:19 jsgotangco we didn't review much before to be honest 03:19 jsgotangco no time 03:19 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok 03:19 jsgotangco but a month is really good if for say something in the ssh section could be done a 03:19 jjesse different way, then use the comment section to suggest the change, but if there is a technical problem with the guide or a grammical problem then actually make the change? 03:19 jsgotangco how about we schedule a week of review from witihin the group.... 03:19 jsgotangco then after the group review, we open it up for community 03:20 bhuvan jjesse, let the author make final correction irrespective of whether it is suggestion, correction or technical problem 03:21 bhuvan jjesse, let the author take a call 03:21 jsgotangco unless the entry is very very erroneous 03:21 bhuvan jsgotangco, in this context, how will d.u.c be of good use ? 03:21 bhuvan jsgotangco, agreed 03:22 jsgotangco bhuvan, d.u.c. creates a build of the doc in html 03:22 bhuvan jsgotangco, yeah 03:22 jsgotangco i was thinking of having peer review first before community 03:22 jsgotangco peer review (those with commit) 03:22 bhuvan jsgotangco, yep! it makes more sense === jsgotangco looking at calendar 03:23 jsgotangco bhuvan, when can we expect it to be done? 03:23 jjesse how do you limit that? send a mail to only those with commit access? 03:24 jsgotangco well it doesn't make sense to commit comment patches... or, shall we maintain a review file in repo and add 03:24 bhuvan comments/suggestions/corrections into it. the author can review and make appropriate corrections in main document; it is just a thought though 03:24 jsgotangco hmm 03:24 jsgotangco ok 03:25 jsgotangco i don't think we'll have a decision on this now 03:25 jsgotangco i will make an email later about this 03:25 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok 03:25 jsgotangco we'll get better suggestions if we use the list 03:25 jsgotangco i'll also look at how others do it 03:26 bhuvan jsgotangco, we should do this in quick time 03:26 jsgotangco yes === CyberSDF [n=lolo@mar92-4-82-224-64-26.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 03:26 jsgotangco i'll send an email later 03:26 jsgotangco promise 03:26 bhuvan once we finalise the method, we can go about the review and sure we may adopt the same method for other documents too.. 03:26 jsgotangco yes 03:27 jjesse that would be one part taht would be nice to standarize on 03:27 jsgotangco ok so we cool here? 03:27 bhuvan jjesse, jsgotangco: yes 03:27 jsgotangco ok who has an update for other docs 03:27 jsgotangco ? === bhuvan is careful not to mispell jsgotangco 03:27 jsgotangco heh === jsgotangco should consider a nick change 03:28 robotgeek well, on the Kubuntu DG front, i have been receving lots of help 03:28 jsgotangco robotgeek, yes awesome 03:28 bhuvan robotgeek, you are lucky :) === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:28 bhuvan it would be great if we insist on a up-to-date status report of all documents 03:29 robotgeek people seem to be put off by the whole docbook format, so i offered to convert it to docbook for them. 03:29 bhuvan ie.. it should be part of make target 03:29 robotgeek they all learnt docbook, btw 03:29 jsgotangco robotgeek, understandable, we don't have much choice at the moment, it needs some pretty deep brainstorming i have to convert it to follow KDE style guide explicitly, 03:30 robotgeek hopefully a decent amount of work will be finished by next week 03:30 jsgotangco robotgeek, what's the status of the doc? bhuvan: Ubuntu Desktop Guide now has status reports that're 03:30 Madpilot far more complete, anyway - I added most of the missing status tags last week 03:31 robotgeek hmm, about 3 chapters done (75%), 2 to start 03:31 bhuvan Madpilot, excellent === bhuvan does not see "Help Wanted" section in dg 03:32 robotgeek i'm still trying to get content in there, removing it later on will be easier 03:32 robotgeek https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide 03:33 jsgotangco hmmm 03:33 jsgotangco its not part of the build robotgeek: you should add an entry here - or coordinate with 03:33 Madpilot jsgotangco to get it added: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects 03:34 robotgeek Madpilot: okay, will do === jsgotangco should update that page too === jsgotangco has a long night ahead it seems === robotgeek is applying for membership so that he can get commit rights! 03:34 Madpilot afk - back in a sec 03:34 jsgotangco okay 03:34 jsgotangco i haven't updated the quickguide much 03:34 jsgotangco kubuntu 03:34 jjesse i haven't either :( 03:34 jsgotangco but i'll look into the desktop guide and see 03:35 jjesse for ubuntu or kubuntu? 03:35 jsgotangco it'll probably become redundant if the desktop guide will rock 03:35 jsgotangco kubuntu 03:35 jjesse we are currently shipping about-kubuntu kubuntu releasenotes and also the quickguide 03:35 jsgotangco yes 03:36 jsgotangco well that's the plan 03:36 jsgotangco but robotgeek and co. had been up to speed with the kdg 03:36 Madpilot back - which reminds me... jsgotangco, can you politely prod elmo or someone about my commit rights please? 03:36 jsgotangco (although i haven't read that much) 03:36 jsgotangco Madpilot, ok 03:37 jsgotangco Madpilot, did you give him your key? 03:37 Madpilot jsgotangco: it's on LP 03:37 jsgotangco oh yeah 03:37 robotgeek jsgotangco: as i said earlier, getting content in there, need to give it a thorough cleanup. 03:37 jsgotangco sorry 03:37 jsgotangco robotgeek, just send patch i'll commit 03:37 jjesse robotgeek: were you at teh kubuntu meeting yesterdya? i don't remember if you were or not 03:38 Madpilot jsgotangco: https://launchpad.net/people/yh728 03:38 robotgeek i was there jjesse 03:38 jjesse ok Madpilot, in the first look, it seems all "In progress" 03:38 bhuvan should become "Review" (ex: Adding, Removing and Updating Applications) 03:38 jsgotangco hmm mhz isn't here 03:38 jsgotangco Madpilot, funny heh members should be whitelisted imho 03:38 jjesse i can look at the desktop guide as soon as my new laptop gets in :( 03:39 jsgotangco take note "new" 03:39 jsgotangco wooo 03:39 Madpilot bhuvan: for Ubuntu DG? Probably, I just wanted to get the status tags in to start with === jsgotangco wish he could say the same thing 03:39 jjesse note new: kubuntu chapter and changes were on there and hadn't backed up :( 03:39 robotgeek ouch 03:39 jsgotangco jeezz 03:40 Kamping_Kaiser bugger 03:40 jjesse but getting them resent so it isn't that bad 03:40 bhuvan Madpilot, ok 03:40 jsgotangco anyway 03:40 jsgotangco we're doing good now 03:40 jsgotangco in edubuntu side, me and mhz are drafting a quick doc 03:40 jsgotangco just ot make sure we have an edubuntu guide 03:40 jsgotangco not to complez 03:41 jjesse and the cookbook is rocking from what i've heard 03:41 Kamping_Kaiser jsgotangco: I'm willing to help with content if i have time 03:41 jsgotangco Kamping_Kaiser, cool...we're going to talk about it this weekend 03:41 jsgotangco just a very basic doc overview 03:41 jsgotangco (more desktop oriented) 03:42 Kamping_Kaiser jsgotangco: ok 03:42 jsgotangco ok my TODO tonight are: 03:42 jsgotangco #1 send email to list about review plan 03:42 jsgotangco #2 update DocteamProjects 03:43 jsgotangco Kamping_Kaiser, i'll discuss to you the plan later 03:43 Kamping_Kaiser jsgotangco: np. in -doc some time iis cool 03:43 jsgotangco ok we've discussed all in agenda, we're now open to anyone who asks 03:45 jsgotangco oh and #3 bug about svn access 03:45 jsgotangco anything else? 03:45 robotgeek i think everyone is happy 03:45 jsgotangco oh wait 03:45 jjesse robotgeek: will the desktop guide get finished by doc freeze? 03:45 Kamping_Kaiser do we have document templagtes? 03:45 jsgotangco wait wait 03:45 jsgotangco https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu 03:46 Kamping_Kaiser oh 03:46 Kamping_Kaiser 03:46 robotgeek jjesse: hmm, i sure hope so! 03:46 jsgotangco The [WWW] Documentation Team is organising documentation for Ebuntu, and for more please contact [WWW] Manish Chakravarty 03:46 jsgotangco who is Manish Chakravarty????? 03:46 Kamping_Kaiser the bloke who made ubuntu+E17 03:46 bhuvan name suggests, he is an indian! 03:46 jsgotangco doh obviously! heh 03:46 robotgeek jsgotangco: ogra mailed on the lists to change the name 03:47 jjesse umm didn't know the doc team was doing things on that :) 03:47 robotgeek yeah bhuvan 03:47 Kamping_Kaiser jjesse: it's not :) 03:47 ogra yup, i did 03:47 Madpilot jjesse: sounds like it's news to the DocTeam too :P 03:47 jjesse accordign to the wiki it is :) 03:47 jsgotangco awesome we have active E17 docteam 03:47 Kamping_Kaiser got an co.in yahoo account 03:47 Kamping_Kaiser *he's got 03:48 Kamping_Kaiser jjesse: it's not an offical (or even remotely offical) project - it's not our problem 03:48 jsgotangco well 2 of the active docteam contributors are indian, i'm not complaining...but this is soo wrong 03:48 Kamping_Kaiser i don't care where he's from, i care that he's saying the docteam will do (his) work 03:48 jsgotangco right 03:48 robotgeek :) 03:49 Kamping_Kaiser *gets worked up* 03:49 jsgotangco i'll look for the thread too 03:49 Madpilot anyone been to this #ebuntu channel yet? 03:49 jsgotangco ok that's #4 todo 03:49 Kamping_Kaiser nope === bhuvan assumes s/ebuntu/edubuntu 03:49 jsgotangco bhuvan, nope 03:49 Kamping_Kaiser no 03:49 bhuvan oh! 03:50 robotgeek which is the whole problem, bhuvan 03:50 ogra they are totally unrelated 03:50 Kamping_Kaiser which is anotehr problem (which is up for discusion) 03:50 Madpilot bhuvan: see the wiki link jsgotangco posted above 03:50 ogra but you cant force them 03:50 ogra just beg to change that 03:50 jsgotangco blingbuntu 03:50 Madpilot hmm... there is no channel #ebuntu on freenode that I can see - not right now, anyway 03:50 Kamping_Kaiser 03:50 ogra bhuvan, btw thats what happens to most people .... 03:50 jsgotangco anyway 03:51 jsgotangco i'll look for the thread too and react about the docteam link being there 03:51 robotgeek Madpilot: there is 03:51 Kamping_Kaiser there's email about it on -devel and -users mail lists === jsgotangco will remember he signed the CoC twice with his 2 keys 03:51 Madpilot robotgeek: really? I can't get it listed in my IRC client - odd 03:52 jsgotangco i don't think its registered yet === Kamping_Kaiser tries to join 03:52 jsgotangco wow bad enlgish 03:52 jsgotangco i think its not registered yet === Kamping_Kaiser cant join it... just isnt joining 03:53 Madpilot ah, it does exist, but isn't listed - odd 03:53 jsgotangco ok 03:53 jsgotangco so what shall we do 03:53 jsgotangco will I react with a reply to that thread? 03:53 Kamping_Kaiser edit the wiki page to remove the 'docteam will' reference? 03:54 jsgotangco hmmm is that the right thing to do 03:54 Madpilot Kamping_Kaiser: how about commenting it out, with another comment that the DocTeam hasn't been contacted? === ogra agrees with Madpilot 03:55 Kamping_Kaiser Madpilot: yes, that's probably the correct way to get the same result 03:55 jsgotangco hmm 03:55 jsgotangco okay 03:56 jsgotangco i'll comment it out and add a comment that contact us about this 03:56 jsgotangco cool? 03:56 Kamping_Kaiser sounds good to me. 03:56 jsgotangco okay Hi Manish, I've commented this out because the 03:58 jsgotangco DocumentationTeam has not been contacted about this. If you have questions or concerns, don't hesitate to contact me at jgotangco@ubuntu.com - Jerome Gotangco 03:58 jsgotangco ok just made a minor edit 03:58 robotgeek or on irc 03:59 Kamping_Kaiser both? 03:59 Kamping_Kaiser nah 03:59 Kamping_Kaiser send him an email if you want to contact him direct 03:59 jsgotangco its ok 03:59 jsgotangco i'll do that 04:00 jsgotangco done 04:00 jsgotangco anythying else? 04:00 jjesse nope 04:00 Kamping_Kaiser do we have any doc templates? 04:01 Kamping_Kaiser or do we just rip the guts out of an existing page and use that ? 04:01 jsgotangco what kind of templates? 04:01 Kamping_Kaiser jsgotangco: basic document layout 04:01 jsgotangco docbook? 04:01 Kamping_Kaiser yeh. 04:01 jsgotangco svn has it 04:01 jsgotangco we've just hit 1 hour 04:01 jsgotangco are we cool now on the meeting? 04:01 jjesse i'm cool 04:01 Kamping_Kaiser yep. 04:01 jsgotangco Kamping_Kaiser, i'll guide you later 04:02 Kamping_Kaiser thanks === jsgotangco looks for an ideal time 04:02 Kamping_Kaiser how long are we allowed here? 1 hour only? 04:03 jsgotangco well its ours at this time 04:03 jsgotangco but we don't have anything on the agenda anymore 04:03 jsgotangco its best to move back to -doc 04:03 jsgotangco okay 04:03 Kamping_Kaiser sounds good. see you all there 04:04 jsgotangco next is March 3, 21UTC 04:04 jsgotangco cool? 04:04 robotgeek i'm cool with almost any time, so +1 04:05 jsgotangco christ that 5am on me 04:05 Kamping_Kaiser I'll try and make it 04:05 jsgotangco okay 04:05 Kamping_Kaiser 04:05 jsgotangco cool 21UTC then }}}