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TZ UTC-4 {{{(11:04:27 AM) BenC: hello everyone (11:04:52 AM) BenC: So this is the kernel team meeting (11:05:42 AM) BenC: Information on the Ubuntu kernel team can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam, and the agenda (needs updating) is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting (11:06:04 AM) BenC: We'll use last meeting as a template (11:06:22 AM) BenC: amitk, rtg_, pkl_: ping (11:06:29 AM) rtg_: pong (11:06:31 AM) pkl_: pong (11:06:45 AM) amitk: pong (11:06:45 AM) pkl_: kyle not around? (11:06:55 AM) BenC: Checking on that (11:07:34 AM) BenC: So we'll just go down the list for now (11:08:53 AM) BenC: amitk: So what's on your plate? (11:09:48 AM) amitk: 2d DRM drivers for UME (11:10:12 AM) amitk: thermal optimsation patches from Intel - again for UME (11:10:29 AM) amitk: THE END. (11:10:43 AM) BenC: Are you ok with the changes needed to get DRM in lum and disabled in linux-source? (11:10:51 AM) BenC: for lpia that is (11:11:18 AM) amitk: BenC: yes i am. I will submit a patch for review (11:11:34 AM) amitk: are we switching MIDs to the lpia arch rightaway? (11:12:09 AM) BenC: Might be a better question for ubuntu-mobile (11:12:21 AM) amitk: I though we were still sticking with the UME flavour of i386 for the time-being (11:12:23 AM) amitk: ok (11:12:34 AM) BenC: amitk: Any progress or updates for laptop testing? (11:14:02 AM) amitk: unfortunately not. I have updated some of the tests. I hope to find some time towards the end of the week (11:14:57 AM) BenC: Ok, definitely want to get that moving with tribe-4 coming out Thu (11:15:09 AM) BenC: let me know if we need to offset some of this effort (11:15:29 AM) amitk: ok (11:15:38 AM) BenC: amitk: thanks for the updates (11:16:13 AM) BenC: pkl_: how's things coming along with you? (11:16:51 AM) pkl_: Very slow. Still stuck doing the writeSupportForNTFS stuff (11:17:28 AM) pkl_: Mainly all packaging based, which means it's taking me a long time because I'm completely unfamiliar with it. (11:17:54 AM) pkl_: Hoped to have had it finished last week. I currently anticipate today. (11:17:57 AM) BenC: pkl_: do you have a packaging mentor? (11:18:07 AM) pkl_: No. (11:18:49 AM) BenC: cjwatson: ah, perfect timing...do you know who would be best to contact about mentoring pkl for packaging ntfs-write stuff? (11:19:00 AM) pkl_: It should be mainly finished now. (11:19:11 AM) cjwatson: BenC: probably me TBH (11:19:21 AM) cjwatson: I've already done some bits around the side there (11:19:30 AM) BenC: ok (11:20:00 AM) cjwatson: I extend a standing offer to anyone on the kernel team to review and sponsor userspace bits for them, if you can't find anyone else (11:20:27 AM) kylem: i can help... (11:20:28 AM) BenC: I'm more than willing myself, just depends on the TZ overlap, or just waiting (11:21:11 AM) BenC: pkl_: so probably just an email to kernel-team@ once the packages are ready, and we'll definitely check it over (11:21:24 AM) cjwatson: cc me if you want me to look at it, as I don't read kernel-team@ regularly (11:22:19 AM) BenC: pkl_: How goes things with virtualization? Any time to test xen yet? (11:22:33 AM) pkl_: Not yet. (11:22:49 AM) BenC: zul_: anything to add on xen? (11:22:56 AM) BenC: so far, I've yet to hear of a real live test (11:23:26 AM) zul_: BenC: yeah I have an update this week, seems to work fine for me (11:23:47 AM) BenC: so you're running dom0 and domU from our image with no problems? (11:23:53 AM) zul_: yep (11:24:03 AM) zul_: no problems now at least (11:24:19 AM) BenC: any chance you've checked on the amd64 build failure? (11:24:32 AM) zul_: from today? (11:24:55 AM) zul_: oh the kernel side, not yet (11:25:06 AM) zul_: will do so tonight (11:25:21 AM) zul_: but Im pretty sure my new patch will fix it (11:25:29 AM) BenC: zul_: from when we tried a week or so ago (11:25:36 AM) BenC: ok (11:25:47 AM) BenC: pkl_, zul_: thanks (11:26:36 AM) BenC: rtg_: So how's your work load going, or should I just call you dell-man? (11:26:46 AM) rtg_: dell-man is fine with me (11:27:10 AM) rtg_: I'm working on the Dell recovery stuff http://linux.dell.com/dru/index.php a little bit. (11:27:22 AM) rtg_: Also working through the list of Dell related bugs. (11:27:32 AM) rtg_: Its ever so much easier when you have the hardware. (11:27:48 AM) rtg_: I need to start working on Gutsy wireless bugs pretty soon. (11:28:01 AM) BenC: ok, that last response answered my question (11:28:12 AM) rtg_: So, my plate is full for the foreseeable future. (11:28:16 AM) BenC: Any bugs you're aware of with wireless? (11:28:38 AM) rtg_: I've seen several, but have not looked closely at any yet. (11:29:09 AM) rtg_: Some of them are probably unfixable, like bcm43xx stuff. (11:29:43 AM) rtg_: There is a lot of churn in the wireless-dev tree. (11:30:02 AM) BenC: Anything we might want to pull in for gutsy? (11:30:19 AM) rtg_: Linville has made some interesting decisions w/regard to soft mac. (11:30:32 AM) BenC: One thing we may want to consider now is that we may want a newer mac80211 than what's in our stock 2.6.22 kernel (11:30:34 AM) rtg_: I couldn't say for sure how it might affect Gutsy. (11:30:45 AM) zul_: BenC: I have some santa rosa ids sitting in my git tree that ill push soon (11:30:52 AM) rtg_: It will take some research. (11:31:00 AM) BenC: zul_: pass those through kyle, please (11:31:06 AM) zul_: ok (11:31:25 AM) rtg_: Thats it from me. (11:31:31 AM) BenC: rtg_: Ok, definitely check into mac80211 from wireless-dev and possibly some of the wireless-dev mac80211 converted drivers for lum (11:31:58 AM) rtg_: Will do. (11:32:06 AM) BenC: there are some other drivers that we may need newer mac80211 for, specifically iwlwifi (11:32:17 AM) BenC: rtg_: ok, thanks (11:32:42 AM) BenC: kylem: so finally back from your forced extended trip to ubuntulive? (11:32:52 AM) kylem: heh. (11:32:54 AM) zul_ is now known as zul (11:32:57 AM) kylem: getting home was expensive. :/ (11:33:59 AM) BenC: kylem: so how's things with your work load? (11:34:02 AM) kylem: anyway, i've been trying to plough through some of the untriaged bugs reported by the intel qa people. (11:34:19 AM) BenC: right, that looked like a pretty tedious list (11:34:54 AM) kylem: other than that, i've been getting a bugfix xf86-video-intel release ready for gutsy. (11:35:09 AM) BenC: kylem: what about general Intel enablement...are we good with that for gutsy, and just need to address bugs? (11:35:12 AM) kylem: because the current git head has a pile of changes we don't want, but also a lot of bugfixes we need (11:35:19 AM) BenC: other than the iwlwifi bug fixes that is (11:35:57 AM) kylem: there's two patches coming this week for iwlwifi that will bring our 0.0.42 to 1.0.0, which should be good to go for gutsy for 4965. (11:36:18 AM) kylem: their focus has been enabling 4965, so we're going to need to stick with ipw3945 for gutsy. (11:36:43 AM) BenC: kylem: I assume 1.0.0 means they will have certified it? (11:36:49 AM) kylem: BenC, indeed. (11:36:53 AM) BenC: excellent (11:37:14 AM) kylem: lastly i've been picking through some alsa patches from 2.6.23-rc2 to see what is relevant for enablement on gutsy. (11:37:19 AM) kylem: er, second to lastly (11:37:43 AM) kylem: there's also a bit more stuff going on with the e1000 drivers that i've been picking at but haven't had time to sit down and beat at yet (11:37:44 AM) BenC: kylem: Oh, TheMuso is only handling alsa userspace, so you're still the go-to-guy for kernel side (11:38:14 AM) kylem: it seems intel has released some new e100 chipsets which are a e1000 mac, with a 10/100 phy, so we need the new driver for them (even though they're really only 10/100.) (11:39:07 AM) BenC: kylem: Ok..perhaps look into updating feisty lbm too then (11:39:34 AM) kylem: yes, it will likely become relevant to tim at some point in the near future. (11:40:02 AM) Toadstoo1 is now known as Toadstool (11:40:36 AM) BenC: kylem: great, thanks (11:40:42 AM) rtg_: kylem: everything I have from Dell works over ethernet. (11:41:10 AM) kylem: rtg_, for now... (11:41:20 AM) BenC: hopefully those new macs wont become relevant till gutsy is viable as an option (11:41:48 AM) BenC: but we can update lbm in feisty without too much worry, restricting to just the PCI ids needed (11:41:49 AM) kylem: dell is already shipping a laptop with it, i imagine it's only a matter of time until they want linux on it. (11:42:23 AM) rtg_: kylem: which one ? Maybe I can get them to send it to me. (11:42:39 AM) kylem: dunno, i'll dig out the pci id later. (11:42:49 AM) kylem: it's in one of the models of dell vostro. (11:43:42 AM) kylem: the last thing i've been mucking with is hrtimers for x86-64 which we probably can't ship in gutsy; kind of a shame but c'est la vie. (11:43:42 AM) BenC: Any points from community folks? (11:43:52 AM) zul: no for me (11:44:04 AM) kylem: fedora is going to be shipping it though, so we'll be behind them on power saving on amd64 (11:44:38 AM) BenC: kylem: fortunately, most people who want decent desktop on x86_64 use 32-bit anyway, it seems (11:44:42 AM) BenC: at least I do (11:45:07 AM) kylem: feh. (11:45:10 AM) BenC: Can't have my youtube on 64-bit without jumping through hurdles (11:45:19 AM) kylem: gnash does youtube quite nicely these days. (11:45:22 AM) kylem: (11:45:30 AM) BenC: ah, haven't tested that yet (11:45:45 AM) zul: slacker (11:45:54 AM) BenC: but then there's wine and win32 codecs (11:46:00 AM) rtg_: BenC: whats going on with the Turion boot problem? (11:46:34 AM) BenC: rtg_: I didn't get CPU ids in time for an upload by kyle (11:46:59 AM) BenC: but "nolapic_timer nohz=off" is a decent work around (11:47:41 AM) BenC: we should get that added to the tribe-4 release notes (11:48:14 AM) BenC: So, we're starting to get down to the crunch in our cycle...less development and more bug work (11:48:42 AM) BenC: feature freeze approaches, kernel freeze shortly after (11:49:41 AM) BenC: When that starts to settle, it's a good time to start thinking about next UDS and gutsy+1 (11:49:47 AM) cjwatson: I don't know if it came up before I joined, but has work for 6.06.2 been parcelled out? (11:50:07 AM) BenC: Ah, right, was on my mind earlier, but forgot to add it to the agenda (11:50:22 AM) cjwatson: a bunch of stuff is still just assigned to the team (11:50:28 AM) BenC: I've got the list of drivers to work on, and most likely I'll be handling most of it (11:51:07 AM) amitk is now known as amitk (11:51:48 AM) BenC: cjwatson: I suspect I should contact heno to get testing prior to upload? (11:52:01 AM) cjwatson: yes, we'll need to organise something based on what hardware is available (11:52:22 AM) BenC: Hopefully I can get Montreal support and elmo to help with the testing (11:52:41 AM) BenC: Get a modified CD image up (11:52:44 AM) cjwatson: heno is a good contact to start with, and if anyone else has hardware related to any of those bugs I recommend making sure that you have a 6.06.1 install on it somewhere if possible (11:52:57 AM) cjwatson: yep, I'll be preparing proposed CD images (11:53:42 AM) BenC: I'll get you the kernel images then (11:54:09 AM) amitk is now known as amitk_ (11:55:20 AM) BenC: Any last comments? (11:55:25 AM) kylem: moo. (11:55:48 AM) zul: baaah (11:56:00 AM) Hobbsee: BenC: ni! (11:56:11 AM) BenC: Alright then, thanks everyone (11:56:20 AM) BenC: meeting adjourned }}}