05:06 jono right LoCo meeting 05:06 nixternal they are crazy...your butt goes numb waiting :) 05:06 jono who is here for the loco meeting? 05:07 looksaus me... 05:07 elkbuntu me 05:07 looksaus :) 05:07 technolalia and me 05:07 craigaa me 05:07 nixternal i guess i am now that i am awake === JanC is 05:07 Kuyaedz me === pschulz01 [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 05:07 MagicFab me 05:07 thoreauputic bimberi has suggested that applicants and speakers should go in time-zone order - seems a good idea to me 05:07 Ekushey me too 05:07 nixternal jeesh 05:07 jono the LoCo army steps forth :) 05:07 nixternal no doubt 05:07 craigaa looks like a good turnout 05:07 bimberi yes, i've emailed the CC list 05:07 Ekushey :) === MagicFab for Ubuntu-QC and Ubuntu-CO 05:07 nixternal seems teh chicago guys are sleeping off last nights big win on monday night football still 05:08 nixternal that or they have a life and are at work right now 05:08 Kuyaedz nixternal: there is life outside ubuntu? ;) 05:08 nixternal so i have heard 05:08 jono ok see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting 05:08 jono thats our agenda 05:08 jono first is docs 05:08 nixternal wo0t.. 05:08 jono I will explain my thoughts on this 05:08 nixternal jono: if you need doc help, im here for ya 05:09 jono nixternal, :) 05:09 nixternal since i do edubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu, ichthux, and kde docs, i can fit ya in === sivang is here === geser [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 05:09 jono as many of you have seen, I have revamped the LoCo pages a bit, and produced the FAQ updated the HOWTO and other things === jsgotangco is here 05:09 sivang hi jono 05:09 jono I think we need to focus the LoCo teams to get lots more written 05:09 jono hey siccness 05:09 jono oops 05:09 jono hey sivang 05:09 jono :) 05:09 sivang heh === Belutz [n=belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:10 jono I think we need all aspects of running a team documented where possible 05:10 nixternal jsgotangco: missed a hell of a bears game last night :) 05:10 jono so, I was thinking we should have a LoCo Doc Day 05:10 nixternal good idea 05:10 siccness hmm? 05:10 jono pick a day and everyone write a bunch of docs === rejden back 05:10 technolalia what docs do the loco teams need? 05:10 Belutz I'm back 05:10 looksaus technolalia, how do I organise a computer fair booth 05:10 jono technolalia, how to run a team, common questions, dealing with problems, leadership issues, loco structure etc 05:10 jono the docs need to be best practice 05:11 looksaus could be a nice subject 05:11 jono looksaus, exactly 05:11 jono to best manage this I was gonna propose a call for ideas and we can go from there 05:11 jono today I just wanted to mainly set a date 05:11 rejden would be good, if we can follow some template 05:11 nixternal if anyone is interested http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/index.html there is the ubuntu documentation styling guide...a little outdated, but has some good information in it, to help keep consistancy 05:11 lophyte ooo, loco meeting started 05:11 lophyte heya all :) 05:11 jono I was thinking of Fri 27th 05:11 looksaus lophyte, yes, you just missed pschulz01 === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BurnerR [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === culix [n=culix@unaffiliated/culix] has left #ubuntu-meeting  05:12 jono so is the 27th oct good for you folks? 05:13 MagicFab jono: great work on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:13 elkbuntu not for me personally 05:13 jono MagicFab, thanks :) 05:13 lophyte works for me, jono === BurnerR [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting  05:13 JanC jono: I think a 1 day event will never fit everybody ? 05:13 Kuyaedz no objections here 05:13 Belutz sorry, what's on 27th oct ? 05:13 MagicFab jono, may I suggest new Loco teams should be presented here before going to the CC ? === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:13 jono MagicFab, we will discuss that in a sec 05:13 jono Belutz, loco docs day 05:13 elkbuntu MagicFab, how about you wait 05:13 nixternal 27th == LoCo Doc Day, 28th == Ubuntu Chicago Conference, 29th == CoDLUG Conference....all of which i am documenting....that will be one heck of a weekend ;) <-- winky 05:13 jono ok how about Tues 31st? 05:13 MagicFab ok 05:14 nixternal ooh, the 31st sounds swell 05:14 jono I think it would be good to get elkbuntu there 05:14 Belutz jono, ah i see 05:14 lophyte 31st works too. 05:14 jono wickeeed :) 05:14 jono ok I will mail loco-contacts about this later 05:14 rejden sorry, 28 - 31 days off 05:14 elkbuntu jono, you're picking bad dates for me :( 05:14 jono elkbuntu, oh really? 05:14 jono bugger 05:14 jono elkbuntu, when are goo ddates? 05:15 jono elkbuntu, when are good dates? 05:15 craigaa no date will work for everyone, we just need to find one that suits most 05:15 lophyte I'm flexible.. any date works for me, really 05:15 elkbuntu jono, the time is more to the point of my flexibility === jenda missed the meeting... 05:15 jono sure, but I think elkbuntu is such a prominant member that the first event should really have a bunch of prominant members there to be a success 05:15 jenda are there minutes? 05:15 jono ok, well lets stick with the 31st for now 05:16 jono we can arrange more in the future 05:16 jono ok with everyone? 05:16 elkbuntu yes 05:16 Kuyaedz weekends work best for me for getting results, no pesky work to distract me. 05:16 lophyte yup 05:16 JanC jono: why not invite people to write such docs, and then if we have some pick a date to enhance them ? 05:16 jono jenda, CC meeting? 05:16 Kuyaedz yes 05:16 technolalia 31st is okay for me 05:16 craigaa works for me 05:16 jenda jono: both :) 05:16 jenda jono: But I meant the LoCo. 05:16 jono JanC, I think we need a data to encourage people to begin writing docs, but I see your point :) 05:17 jono jenda, we just started this meeting 05:17 jenda ah ok :) 05:17 jenda In that case, jono, I will miss it :-D 05:17 jono another point to discuss, not on the agenda, are regular meetings 05:17 jono I am thinking we should back this slot every two weeks 05:17 lophyte agreed 05:17 jono but adjust the time of the meeting to hit the right timezones 05:17 jenda agreed. 05:17 lophyte every two weeks is good 05:17 elkbuntu jono, i think it also needs to be before the CC, not after it :) 05:18 lophyte haha 05:18 craigaa lol 05:18 jono elkbuntu, hehe yeag 05:18 jono yeah 05:18 jenda (It'll be hard to find timezones for a group that is by definition evenly spread around the world. 05:18 jenda ) 05:18 elkbuntu jenda, we decided in first meeting to alternate focus 05:18 jono jenda, sure, so I was thinking of very early GMT and late GMT 05:18 Kuyaedz two weeks is fine, just be sure to update us on the mailing list on the times 05:18 jono that should be convenient for *most* 05:18 Belutz for the timezones, why don't just rotate it? 05:18 jono Kuyaedz, sure 05:18 craigaa yes 05:19 nixternal i am awake all hours of the day...i goto bed when the UTC strikes work time, and I wake up when the UTC get off of work :) 05:19 jenda jono: yes, that seems to have proven best for other meetings too. 05:19 craigaa I would then be able to make one meeting every four weeks 05:19 jono yeah 05:19 craigaa if we alternate timeframes 05:19 jono so we can flick between the two times and everyone gets a meeting a month 05:19 rejden in favor for rotating timezones 05:19 jono I, get late nights and early mornings :P 05:19 lophyte I think that works best 05:19 jenda Is there a meeting agenda somewhere? (Sorry for ignorance) 05:19 elkbuntu that was the plan. then you went on holidays :) 05:19 looksaus https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting 05:19 jono jenda, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting 05:20 jono looksaus, beat me to it :P === elkbuntu mutters something about lucky. ... 05:20 jono elkbuntu, eh? 05:20 jenda thx 05:20 elkbuntu jono, your frolic in florida 05:20 jono hehe 05:20 elkbuntu aaanyway 05:21 jono ok, so thats cool we have a docs day sorted and regular meetings 05:21 jono any other comments or views? 05:21 Kuyaedz making better time than the CC meeting ;) 05:21 jenda hehe 05:21 craigaa :-) 05:21 jono yes, I am keen to keep everything on track and zip through stuff where needed 05:21 jenda This time is perfect for me, except there happens to be a conference today I want to attend. === ondrej [n=ondrej@ubuntu/member/ondrej] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:22 jono ok lets talk edgy CDs === lbm [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:22 jono let me fill you in with the Canonical situation 05:22 elkbuntu jenda, you're excused so long as you pass out ubuntu cds :) 05:22 rejden so what is the proposal? 05:22 jenda elkbuntu: indeed :) Fortunately, ondrej has just joined for the Czech team too. 05:22 jono *all* approved teams will get a mix of 500 Edgy CDs 05:23 jono that is the stock number of CDs planned to be sent out to teams 05:23 rejden mix, means ku and edubuntu included as well? 05:23 Ekushey jono: ubuntu-bd is *half* approved for now. will we get it too? 05:23 Belutz jono: variant and platform mix? 05:23 jono Ubuntu: 05:23 jono PC 300 05:23 jono AMD64 50 05:23 jono Kubuntu: 05:23 jono PC 75 05:23 jono AMD64 25 05:23 jono Edubuntu: 05:23 jono PC 50 05:24 jono Ekushey, we can discuss that later, we can arrange something I am sure :) 05:24 looksaus jono, and how about Dapper shipments? 05:24 JanC nu PowerPC ? 05:24 elkbuntu no ppc? 05:24 lophyte Dapper is through shipit. 05:24 jono dapper is still done via shipit 05:24 MagicFab jono: won't that make several teams rush to be approved ? i see the backlog :) 05:24 looksaus because I got a bit confused === lupine_85 [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:24 ondrej while we are here... is somebody here who could pay for ubuntu.cz domain name? seems mail with invoice got lost and ubuntu.cz payment is due 05:24 looksaus oh, k, wasn't clear to me 05:24 Ekushey jono: ok, thanks 05:24 jono more on the backlog later :P 05:24 rejden would be possible to get some edgy PPC as well somehow? 05:24 rejden like 20 or something 05:24 jono now this is the dilemma: 05:25 jono (rejden, not sure about PPC CDs btw) 05:25 craigaa is it possible to customise for each team? 05:25 rejden same question as craigaa 05:25 jono we want to get details from all those teams who want CDs but we don't want stacks and stack of seperate emails === siccness [n=siccness@CPE-138-217-2-31.vic.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-meeting  05:25 jono naturally though, most teams won't want to update a wiki page with their postal address 05:25 jsgotangco brb 05:26 jenda jono, understandable... but how do that? 05:26 jono so I have been trying to figure something out, but I think mailing in will be the only way 05:26 jono there seems no clear and simple solution 05:26 jenda jono, perhaps a private, passworded gobby session would work :) 05:26 looksaus jono, I'm not sure we even _want_ edgy CD's... 05:26 Mirv should gpg be required? 05:26 rejden yes, mailing seems the only way, or web formular and mailing from it 05:26 jono so I am gonna talk to Marilize and figure out something 05:26 elkbuntu jono, i'd volunteer to be victim of the emails and collate the information 05:26 rejden looksaus, maybe you don't need 05:26 jono looksaus, not all teams will want them, thats why people will request them 05:26 Belutz are stickers also included? :) 05:26 Mirv i think all the locoteams (should) have a gpg key in launchpad etc. 05:26 jono elkbuntu, the problem is of privacy 05:26 jenda Belutz: I can send you some ;) 05:27 jono elkbuntu, but thanks, maybe we can figure something out 05:27 Belutz jenda: wow, thanks :) 05:27 jono Mirv, thats not a bad idea - an encryped address 05:27 technolalia with addresses, is it a case of someone volunteering to receive cds at their home address on behalf of the loco? 05:27 jono technolalia, yep 05:27 rejden technolalia, seems so 05:27 craigaa yes 05:27 elkbuntu technolalia, very few locos have premises 05:27 jono thats how it normally works 05:27 MagicFab jono: wikipages or LP pages can be restricted in access, can't they ? 05:27 rejden jono, I won't make my private adress public 05:28 jono MagicFab, yes 05:28 jono tobe honest, I am thinking emails with specific headers an a mail filter are the best thing to do 05:28 jono dealing with GPG or locked pages is a pain in the ass 05:28 lophyte jono: I have a question regarding CD shipments but its not really related to the loco meeting.. can I talk to you afterward about it? 05:28 ondrej I have no problem exposing my work address... 05:28 jono lophyte, sure! :) 05:28 MagicFab I guess each team should have a LP /wiki page and be able to restrict its access (for priivacy), make that part of the process to be approved (if CDs requires) 05:28 lophyte alright 05:28 jono in the future I would like LP modified to handle this 05:28 rejden MagicFab, too complicated 05:28 jono this will be discussed at the UDS 05:28 Kuyaedz jono: mail filters probably sounds best. easiest to sort through anyway 05:29 craigaa It should be possible to flag ship[it users as loco contacts 05:29 jono ok, well I will get onto it 05:29 jono so, any questions about Edgy CDs? including lophyte if you like 05:29 looksaus jono, sorry if I'm interrupting something else, but... 05:29 Kuyaedz just let us know what subject to use :) 05:29 jono Kuyaedz, yeah 05:29 jono looksaus, ... 05:29 MagicFab rejden, I mean, Loco contacts know *at least* how to edit /create Wiki/LP pages... 05:29 lophyte jono: actually, its a question about shipit 05:29 looksaus the policy about edgy is that it is for people who like to be at the cutting edge, right 05:29 looksaus ? 05:29 Kuyaedz would hate to have our teams request funneled off to the spam folder 05:29 technolalia how are national loco teams to distribute the cds round their country? 05:30 rejden MagicFab, they should :) === jenda gotta run - later 05:30 elkbuntu technolalia, that's for each country to figure out i guess 05:30 jono looksaus, edgy is not LTS, so is not supported, but includes more up to date software 05:30 lophyte technolalia: have chapters in localities? 05:30 jono dapper is still recommended for long term supported sites 05:30 MagicFab technolalia, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInLibraries 05:30 JanC jono: "not supported" ? === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: LoCo | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 18 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Oct 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Oct 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 25 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 26 Oct 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team 05:30 Belutz technolalia, my plan for my country is to send some CD's into local LUG and Universities === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting  05:30 jono JanC, no long term support afaik 05:31 jono will be supported for a few years but not the five years like dapper 05:31 JanC yes, but there is short time support, I hope :) 05:31 looksaus mustn't it be made very clear that we should pitch these edgy cd's to the more advanced users then 05:31 jono JanC, oh yes :) 05:31 JanC 1.5 years IIRC 05:31 jono technolalia, distribution of CDs is up to you guys :P 05:31 MagicFab jono, hopefully the artwork makes it clear full reproduction is permitted /granted, if all proprietary software included permits to do so. 05:31 Mirv looksaus: I think it should be fine for any home user, just not companies 05:31 Kuyaedz I don't consider Edgy for "advanced users", but it isn't LTS like Dapper 05:31 craigaa I see most edgy cds going to lugs 05:32 jono MagicFab, there is no propreiatary software in edgy 05:32 jono MagicFab, not sure of the art, not seen it yet 05:32 JanC yeah, LTS is for rusty companies with 3-year-plans and the like :) 05:32 looksaus my question is this: I'm a bit reluctant to pitch edgy to non-technical end users 05:32 lophyte why? 05:32 jono looksaus, why? 05:32 jono thats are market 05:32 looksaus because of the support thing... 05:32 jono support thing? 05:32 looksaus support cycle 05:33 lophyte its supported for 1.5 years 05:33 Kuyaedz looksaus: it isn't any more advanced than dapper, just not supported as long. 05:33 nixternal it will still get 18 months of support 05:33 MagicFab jono, no frmware, no restricted-modules... no commercial repos ? 05:33 Kuyaedz looksaus: its still supported for 18months === elmo [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["."] 05:33 Mirv looksaus: edgy should be even easier than dapper for the people. it's supported for 18 months like everything before dapper, and it can easily be updated to a newer distribution version 05:33 jono MagicFab, everything in edgy is free software 05:33 Kuyaedz jono: coughfirefoxcough 05:33 jono MagicFab, afaik it is fully redistributable 05:33 looksaus and also it received new features that make it a bit more...edgy === Kuyaedz ducks & covers for the flamewar 05:33 lophyte firefox won't be called firefox in edgy. 05:33 looksaus it works like a charm here... 05:33 nixternal firefox is free, the icon isn't 05:33 JanC jono: that's not the same :) 05:33 Mirv jono: does edgy not install restricted component, what? 05:33 lophyte and thus is still free software === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:34 jono JanC, eh? 05:34 elkbuntu this is not a line of discussion appropriate for this meeting 05:34 jono yes this is all offtopic 05:34 looksaus but my point is that it gets messy when you still ship dapper to end users 05:34 lophyte agreed, elkbuntu 05:34 Mirv jono: it might be redistributable, but it's not free software when it comes to those ca. 5 packages in restricted 05:34 jono lets get back onto CD availability 05:34 JanC binary-only freeware is also fully redistributable 05:34 jono please, lets move on... 05:34 jono any other questions about edgy CDs? 05:35 Belutz jono: do you know *when* the CD's are going to be process for shipping? 05:35 Kuyaedz just the details. when & how do we contact you for shipping information? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D84BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:35 jono one sec phone 05:35 craigaa has a price been set for edgy cds as yet? 05:35 looksaus hm, while we have a few secs... 05:35 elkbuntu i think any further discussion can be done on the mailing list, so it is better archived 05:35 nixternal middle of november was the last date i heard 05:36 lophyte hey nixternal, do you usually pay duties/taxes on your large CD shipments? 05:36 nixternal nope 05:36 lophyte what the heck.. 05:36 jono ack 05:36 jono back 05:36 lophyte I got an invoice yesterday, requiring me to pay $26.50 on my shipment of 160CDs 05:36 jono Belutz, not sure when shipping will be 05:36 craigaa I have to, unfortunately 05:36 nixternal just received 2 big shipments for the conferences coming up...even got me a tux costume for some sucker to wear 05:36 jono Kuyaedz, for contacts, contact Marilize 05:37 jono craigaa, in terms of prices for sale, its being discussed at the moment 05:37 craigaa k 05:37 Ekushey lophyte: here in bangladesh, we need to pay good amount of tax for the cds as well 05:37 lophyte jono: can I get a contact for marilize from you? I need to speak with her regarding a shipment 05:37 JanC lophyte: I got an invoice for almost 30 EUR sales & import tax on the free powered by ubuntu stickers :-( 05:38 lophyte wow :\ 05:38 jono lophyte, best mailing the shipit info address on the shipit site - that goes to marilize I believe 05:38 lophyte ah, alright. 05:38 jono any other queries? 05:38 jono we could do with getting this lot into the FAQ 05:39 elkbuntu definately 05:39 MagicFab There's info about taxes/duties at "Will I have to pay taxes/duties?" -> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/faq#head-7eef2db63e0a75424cdd663ee6f7b8eedcf19607 05:39 jono this brings me onto another point 05:39 jono I would love to see the FAQ filled to the brim with details 05:39 JanC whether you have to pay taxes seems more like some sort of roulette to me 05:40 jono if you discover or learn something that is not in thwe FAQ, please add it :) 05:40 elkbuntu feel free to add suggestions you want us to answer 05:40 Belutz brb 05:40 jono cool 05:40 jono just anything you think is missing mainly 05:40 jono would be nice to see the FAQ grow over time :) 05:41 elkbuntu especially considering neither jono nor i have quite mastered mind reading :) 05:41 jono so, summing up edgy CDs I will speak to marilize and post to the list about everything 05:41 craigaa k 05:41 jono elkbuntu, nearly there...just getting it perfected... :P 05:41 jono so, final point is the approval process 05:41 jono in the last week I have refined this so LoCo teams need to make an approval wiki page for the CC to view 05:42 MagicFab jono: just before that... will labels be available/.included in those 500 CD shipments / other stuff ? 05:42 jono this should make approving teams easier 05:42 jono MagicFab, labels? 05:42 MagicFab jono: Ubuntu labels (like previously) 05:42 JanC stickers ? :) 05:42 elkbuntu MagicFab, stickers? 05:43 MagicFab eh, yeah, stickers :D 05:43 jono no idea about stickers === MagicFab spends too much time at the printers 05:43 jono they are treated seperately to Cds though I think 05:43 MagicFab ok, go 05:43 jono I will check into it 05:44 jono so, I have made https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved to streamline the process 05:44 jono if any of you want your teams approving === MagicFab would rather get 500 stickers than 500 CDs for his team(s) 05:44 jono read that page and then mail me your application 05:44 craigaa How about someone (Jono?) being empowered to approve LoCo teams without having to get CC approval in advance? 05:44 MagicFab craigaa, I was thinking *we* discuss applications here before CC 05:44 jono craigaa, well this has been discussed, and at the UDS I am going to propose this 05:44 jono MagicFab, I disagree - having a discussion here *and* at the CC is too much 05:45 jono I am trying to reduce red tape, not add to it :P 05:45 MagicFab jono: at the CC would merely be you and perhaps 2 other Loco contacts (other that those applying) to vouch for them... 05:45 jono right.. 05:45 jono and.. 05:45 MagicFab particularly for the upcoming backlog I see for the next few weeks 05:46 elkbuntu it should more be that jono act as a filter to stop the not-quite applications before they get as far as the CC 05:46 jono to get rid of the backlog we need teams making applications, I will identify that applications are good, and if so put them in front of the CC 05:46 MagicFab elkbuntu, +1 05:46 jono thats what I do MagicFab :) 05:47 jono so the plan is to get the backlog fixed up ASAP 05:47 MagicFab jono, perhaps not here but in the mailing list ()which I haven't been following lately). 05:47 jono I also have some things to add to the approval howto after todays first shot at approvals 05:47 jono any questions regarding this process? 05:47 MagicFab I'd rather raise issues like I had with Ubuntu Pakistan before the CC (not while in it) 05:48 jono MagicFab, that is what the CC is for 05:48 jono to get people there to discuss issues 05:48 MagicFab perhaps just invite other loco teams contacts to comment on applications before they're on the CC 05:48 jono it makes no sense to discuss some issues on one day and some on another day === real_manofcyrus [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:48 elkbuntu MagicFab, jono is quite capable of noticing glaring issues 05:49 jono MagicFab, also, the approval process is not say a LoCo is vetted by the LoCo community, but by the CC who represent the community 05:49 ondrej only shame is that biggest IT fair in CZ was last week :-( 05:49 jono if we open up every application or decision to everyone in the community we would get nowhere quickly 05:49 MagicFab elkbuntu, I trust that. 05:49 jono I want to streamline this so people can do cool Loco stuff and not get bogged down in approval processes 05:50 nixternal i want to do cool LoCo stuff 05:50 jono :) 05:50 MagicFab jono, asking for comments doesn't change your final decision. === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["trombone"] 05:50 jono MagicFab, I know, but it takes my time 05:50 jono and my time is limited 05:51 nixternal in less than 2 weeks, if you are in chicago, we will have our big conference..actually found out a couple companies might be interested in sponsoring the event...one is some system security company 05:51 jono I am responsible for all community teams and I want to get the most out of my time without getting bogged down in red tape 05:51 nixternal which reminds me..i have a conference call soon 05:51 MagicFab jono, precisely, not *your* time, but time among loco contacts that may want to discuss a new team's application. 05:51 Kuyaedz I think the point is that if we well document the steps and better prepare the teams before submission the whole process will be much quicker for everyone involved. === Gnomonic [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:51 jono well that is what the CC is for 05:51 jono if you have concerns, use the CC meeting 05:51 elkbuntu MagicFab, what you're asking is for 2 layers of peer scrutiny. that will only worsen the process 05:52 elkbuntu MagicFab, we're trying to lessen the amount of waiting and retrying 05:52 MagicFab jono, I was commenting on that part opf the process after seing how I did that today and time was missing for other things 05:52 JanC well, teams who want to get approved can ask approved teams to review their application informally... 05:53 MagicFab elkbuntu, what you are asking is for only one person deciding. How is that better ? Some memberships wait for *months* and come back several times. 05:53 jono MagicFab, two layers of commenting are not productive, and we provide a place for comments the CC meeting 05:53 elkbuntu Some memberships wait for *months* and come back several times. <-- thats what we're trying to *filter* 05:53 jono MagicFab, how does one person decide? the CC decide 05:53 MagicFab JanC, that's an idea. Perhaps mention that in the process. 05:54 jono MagicFab, the problem with two layers of comment is that the first layer of comment needs scheduling, logging, reading, and then some people in the second comment phase will want first phase commentators there 05:54 jono its waaay too muchc complexity 05:54 jono right now, teams submit for approval and the CC is there to seek comments 05:55 jono if the CC meetings are too long, we fix the meetings 05:55 MagicFab jono, I think JanC's idea is better. Just suggest to applicants that they see /ask for input from other teams 05:55 MagicFab before they submit. 05:55 jono I disagree 05:55 MagicFab jono: are applications posted to the mailing list before the CC ? 05:55 looksaus why not submit to the mailing list first, then schedule for CC 05:55 looksaus ? 05:56 jono look, we provide a forum for comment, the CC meeting - if people have concerns or issues prior to that, they should mail the CC 05:56 jono I think it would be worthwhile to mention the approval on the list 05:56 jono but the place for concerns and discussion is the CC meeting 05:56 craigaa Perhaps existing LoCo contacts can assist new teams in preparing their applications before CC approval. Perhaps this will streamline the approvals. 05:56 jono so the mailing list can tell people that an approval is happening and get to the meeting 05:57 jono I am happy to make approvals better scheduled, just to not have two seperate comment periods 05:57 JanC jono: with informal reviews by peers I mean that people can get help with writing their approval request pages 05:57 Kuyaedz craigaa: I figure that is part of what we need to do with the LoCo Docs. Put together steps, list resources, etc. 05:57 jono JanC, sure, and thats what we want to encourage :) 05:57 MagicFab JanC: +1 05:57 jono so I suggest this process: 05:57 craigaa Kuyaedz plus some basic hands on assistance 05:57 jono * a team begins writing their approval application, seeks help fro the community if needed 05:57 looksaus jono, maybe just put in a minimum of x days before the CC meeting? 05:58 looksaus oops, sorry 05:58 jono * I look ever it to ensure that the application has all the needed bits and then announce it is going for approval at the next CC meeting 05:58 jono * people then go to the CC meeting to offer comments if needed 05:58 MagicFab looksaus, usually anything discusses in the agenda should be there at least a few days before 05:58 jono I think that hits all the areas :) 05:59 jono brb 05:59 MagicFab jono: announcing would in the mailing list, the CC agenda and.. 05:59 MagicFab ? 06:00 elkbuntu MagicFab, not to mention, when locos are up for approval they appear on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda so if you are concerned you can keep an eye here 06:00 elkbuntu MagicFab, or, you could join #ubuntu-locoteams and contribute there 06:00 jono announcing would be on loco-contacts - I would announce that a loco is submitting for approval and list the CC when it will happen 06:01 MagicFab elkbuntu, I do. The problem is the loco teams's coevrage area people. 06:01 elkbuntu MagicFab, i do not see you in the channel 06:02 jono there has been little objection other than MagicFab so I am going to propose the process I mentioned earlier 06:02 looksaus good idea 06:02 jono this way the community know of up coming approvals and can offer comment 06:02 MagicFab jono, not objecting. Actually ++ for mention on the mailing list before the CC. 06:02 jono good job 06:03 jono all sorted then :) 06:03 jono I will modify the docs to reflect this 06:03 elkbuntu that would mean... === elkbuntu waits the magic words that translate to 'bed time' 06:03 MagicFab elkbuntu, I do check the CC agenda - not often on #u-locoteams 06:03 jono so, we are largely done, any other issues/ 06:03 looksaus jono, do you still have time for this other issue? 06:03 jono looksaus, shoot 06:04 jono I have to go in five mins 06:04 looksaus sorry, it's the same thing from before: marketing edgy versus dapper, and towards whom? 06:04 jono looksaus, ahhh ok, think of it in terms of support 06:04 looksaus could you point me to canonical policy on that? === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 06:04 ondrej jono: domain ubuntu.cz was not payed for and is about to leave DNS system :-( (sent emails to email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org), but I need a promise that this will be looked at 06:04 jono dapper provides a long support cycle and some companies care about that 06:04 jono ondrej, mail smurf 06:04 ondrej jono: email address? 06:04 jono ondrej, did Canonical buy that for you? 06:05 ondrej jono: I transfered domain to Canonical last year due trademarks 06:05 jono looksaus, so recommend dapper to those companies who want an established version of ubuntu that has been released for six months - for other people who are happy to have a newer release, recommend edgy 06:05 jono ondrej, right, let me get his email address and /msg you with it 06:06 jono ondrej, got it? 06:07 ondrej jono: yep, thanks 06:07 craigaa I've got to go people. Thanks for the meeting. See you next time. 06:07 jono ok any other last minute issues? 06:07 jono I need to run 06:07 jono thanks craigaa 06:07 looksaus sorry for having kept you busy 06:07 Kuyaedz I'm taken care of 06:07 elkbuntu any other issues can go to the mailing list for consideration next meeting 06:07 jono can someone ensure the log is online? 06:07 jono yep 06:07 craigaa ciao 06:07 jono thanks folks! :) === craigaa [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 06:07 elkbuntu thanks jono :) 06:07 Kuyaedz thanks. ttyl 06:07 Belutz thanks jono :) === Kuyaedz [i=Kuyaedz@gateway/tor/x-255d4971deb0f87e] has left #ubuntu-meeting  06:08 JanC the log is always on-line :) 06:08 jono :) === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 06:08 looksaus hm, guess the meeting is officially closed, so... 06:08 jono later all!!