LoCo-2006-9-18
04:00 freeflying hi all 04:00 elkbuntu how many people are here for this LoCo meeting so far? 04:01 jono ok 04:01 david`bgk I'm, but from office, so not really active 04:01 jono yeah, could everyone who is in the meeting say so :) === freeflying from ubuntu-cn 04:01 MehdiHassanpour me too ;) 04:01 elkbuntu me, ubuntu-au 04:02 newz2000 me, ubuntu webmaster 04:02 jsgotangco yay 04:02 jono ok, could someone else also save the log, my IRC client is a bit screwy 04:02 Gekitsuu I'm here for the meeting 04:02 freeflying jono: fabbione has log 04:02 elkbuntu surely there's a logbot in here 04:02 jono cool 04:02 jono right, lets begin then 04:03 jono I know a bunch of you already,but let me introduce myself 04:03 freeflying jsgotangco: hi, long time haven;t seen you :) 04:03 jono I am Jono Bacon and I the Ubuntu Community Manager working at Canonical 04:03 jono when I started, one of the key things I wanted to work on is LoCo teams === blaa_ [n=unticha@58.181.186.58] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 04:03 jono I think that LoCo teams are really centrally important to a strong Ubuntu with plenty of vitality and growth 04:04 jono we have a number of teams who have formed, and some teams are very strong and some need some help and assistance === Gnomonic [n=gnomonic@cpe.atm2-0-10282.0x50a09aee.bynxx12.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:04 jono when I started, one thing was clear though 04:04 jono there was *very little* communication between teams 04:05 jono we had a bunch of teams, many in regionally close areas, but with little or no communication 04:05 jono so, the first plan of action on my "list of things to do to make LoCo teams kiss ass" was to help teams collaborate together 04:05 elkbuntu o.O 04:05 jono erm 04:05 jono kick ass :P 04:06 jono hehe 04:06 Gnomonic Right. 04:06 Gnomonic Got a bit scared, there. 04:06 jono ass kissing is tolerated though if needed :P 04:06 jono so, to help with this I have tried to get loco-contacts on its feet again 04:06 elkbuntu indeed, try avoid the hairy ones though 04:06 jono and that list is intended for groups to talk together and share experiences === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:07 elkbuntu i think many would agree you've made a good start on that, jono :) 04:07 jsgotangco well 04:07 jsgotangco some teams do communicate 04:07 MehdiHassanpour this sharing is very important 04:07 jsgotangco in a server POV 04:07 jsgotangco ;) 04:07 jono thanks elkbuntu 04:07 jsgotangco especially those sharing in one server 04:07 MehdiHassanpour but how === Yann2 [n=Yann@sirius.cetril.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:07 jsgotangco but that's it 04:07 jono so, communication is clearly important === Mirv [n=tajyrink@pdpc/supporter/active/Mirv] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:08 jono now, there are a few other plans too: === Ju [n=Ju@c-24-126-231-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:08 jono * tidy up the New Teams on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList 04:08 jono there are lots of teams on that list who have not been accepted as official teams yet 04:08 jono I plan on getting to that when I return from my holiday around oct 7th 04:09 jono also 04:09 jono there is a combination of many different types of team, some confident and experienced, and some not so 04:09 jono I was thinking of methods in which we can level the playing field out a little, and one of the plans is for LoCo teams to mentor each other 04:10 jono some teams are very strong and active, and they could help get teams on their feet 04:10 jono you can think of this as an outsourcing of myself - I just don't have time to attend to *every* team, so mentoring helps spread the load 04:10 jono I have been working with elkbuntu on this, and there is going to be a trial of one team mentoring another and then we will open it up to the full LoCo community 04:11 elkbuntu you also cant speak every language either ;) 04:11 jono hehe 04:11 jono I can barely speak english :P 04:11 elkbuntu ;) 04:11 jono so, the aim of this meeting is to share this progress 04:11 elkbuntu but anyway yeah, should we go into more details? 04:11 jono but to also get ideas for ways we can work together 04:12 jono elkbuntu, sure, do you want to fill people in :) 04:12 elkbuntu sure 04:12 Gnomonic Interruption: Does this meeting have an agenda, or is it just free-talking? 04:12 jono :) 04:12 MehdiHassanpour jono, how and where we can get other teams experiences ? 04:12 jono Gnomonic, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting 04:12 jono fairly short agenda 04:12 jono MehdiHassanpour, we will discuss that soon 04:12 jono elkbuntu, shoot :) 04:13 elkbuntu when jono first joined the community, he spoke to me and mentioned this idea about mentoring 04:13 elkbuntu i thought about it for a week or so and said 'yeah, lets give it a go' 04:14 Yann2 don't know for you, but I barely have the time to handle -fr, so for other locoteams... :p 04:14 elkbuntu i nominated helping the new zealand loco team, since they're close and through one of their members that lurks in our channel, i had found out they were not going so well 04:14 elkbuntu Yann2, this is my second meeting today, 2 of 4 over 2 days. im going insane ;) 04:14 jono :P 04:14 Yann2 I don't think that this kind of mentoring would be really helpful 04:15 elkbuntu Yann2, i also have the benefit of a self-maintaining loco that just needs the occasional prod 04:15 elkbuntu Yann2, what we're doing is a feasability case study 04:15 Yann2 ok :p 04:15 elkbuntu to see how it goes, whether it works and so forth === tseliot [n=tseliot@host11-252-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tseliot [n=tseliot@host11-252-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 04:16 elkbuntu 4 hours ago, was the -au fortnightly meeting, and in that meeting i invited the nz members i could find and jono to join in 04:16 Gnomonic It doesn't have to be the Team leader or even the LoCo-contact to help. Yann2, couldn't you find a normal team-member to be a sort of Team-mentor-liason? 04:16 jono lets discuss it in a sec folks, and let elkbuntu finish :) 04:16 elkbuntu it was fairly lively, got the nz guys thinking and we have a meeting organised for tomorrow to fling ideas around 04:16 david`bgk jono, I've added a fourth item on the agenda, ok with that? 04:16 jono david`bgk, sure 04:17 elkbuntu so really, things are just starting in this study, and we hope to be able to figure out ways that work and so forth 04:18 jono yes, this is jus a test at first 04:18 elkbuntu did you want to add anything, jono? 04:18 Gekitsuu is it going to be just the one trial or will there be a few? 04:18 jono Gekitsuu, just one at first 04:18 elkbuntu one at a time 04:18 elkbuntu baby steps ;) === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.40] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:18 jono let me make clear what I mean by mentoring: === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:19 jono mentoring is not the same process in all scenarios, but it is helping a LoCo group to develop their own culture and way of working 04:19 phanatic hey loco people, sorry for being late... 04:19 Ju (Hi all) for a start, helping other loco, each already running team could describe their platform (tool for wiki, planet, forum and how to combine them) and/or provide the css theme to adapt for each loco, for example some other locoteams were interested by the ubuntu-fr theme 04:19 jono this does not mean "doing stuff" for that group, but will largely involve IRC meetings, and exchanging emails 04:19 elkbuntu guys, hush, jono is speaking 04:19 jono the idea is in keeping the communication channels open between teams and helping those new at setting up teams to get on their feet 04:20 jsgotangco that's supposed to be the purpose of the locoteams channel right? 04:20 jono part of the reason why we are trialling it is so we can identify good mentors - mentors *need* to be good and open at running teams, with random mentoring that is more difficult 04:20 elkbuntu jsgotangco, yep, which is fine if the teams have managed to get some form of order and nominate an actual contact etc 04:21 jono so much of this is about documentation best practice when it comes to mentoring 04:21 Yann2 btw, the -locoteams channel has nothing official :) 04:21 jono the grand plan is to develop a community of real community building experts 04:21 jono instead of just building ad-hoc teams, much of this is about developing an education in community building 04:21 jono this will make the community more inclusive, closer and more efficient 04:22 jono ok, thats me done 04:22 jono so any questions 04:22 jono or thoughts :) 04:22 Yann2 I love the "sharing locoteams experience" part :) 04:22 MehdiHassanpour I think before mentoring, teams can describe what they do and have done to shape a team 04:22 MehdiHassanpour agree 04:22 jono yes 04:22 Yann2 some way to resume what locoteams achieved, and how they did... why not even "recipes" 04:22 jono good point MehdiHassanpour 04:23 jono much of this is about documentation on the wiki :) 04:23 jono lt me answer this: 04:23 jono <Ju> (Hi all) for a start, helping other loco, each already running team could describe their platform (tool for wiki, planet, forum and how to combine them) and/or provide the css theme to adapt for each loco, for example some other locoteams were interested by the ubuntu-fr theme 04:23 Gnomonic In my mind, there are several phases of starting a team. 04:23 jono Ju, that is the kind of thing that is important too 04:23 newz2000 jono: I can chime in on your comment when you're ready for feedback 04:23 jono I am also interested in exploring how to centralise resources 04:23 philwyett Are you looking at a set of common team goals for locoteams as a whole for a common base to build upon? 04:24 jono ok one sec guys 04:24 jono newz2000, shoot 04:24 Gnomonic I believe that the initial start-up have to come from the team itself, where mentoring is a good solution for getting over the bar for being a full team. 04:24 jono then we can do philwyett 04:24 newz2000 Some of you have met me, I'm the Ubuntu webmaster, and have been helping the newer teams get websites. 04:24 jono Gnomonic, definitly 04:25 newz2000 If you don't have a website yet for your loco, please talk to me and I can help you get free hosting 04:25 jono newz2000, just as a side note, I am developing some ideas about centralising LoCo resources so it is easier for teams to get going - I will arrange a meeting with you and the Launchpad dudes :) 04:25 freeflying newz2000: where is the server hosted? 04:25 newz2000 We have several servers, most in the US, some in EU. 04:26 freeflying jono: centralise locoteam resource? it will be a nightmare for many guys from china 04:26 elkbuntu when newz2000 is finished, i'd like to add something to the comment MehdiHassanpour made 04:26 jono freeflying, good point 04:26 newz2000 jono: OK, then I'll guess I'll leave at that for now. 04:27 jono newz2000, cool, thanks! 04:27 newz2000 elkbuntu: go ahead 04:27 jono elkbuntu, shoot 04:27 elkbuntu just going back to MehdiHassanpour's comment about before mentoring... the truely successful teams stand out themselves anyway, such as the indonesia team which has managed to get some media lately. jono initially approached me after my appearance in mainstream media here === Gargoyle [n=gargoyle@pdpc/supporter/student/Gargoyle] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:28 MehdiHassanpour that DVD is really usefull for our team too 04:28 elkbuntu i think it's important to keep an eye out for the work of teams that may not necissarily be vocal in the central locoteam channel or who may not know what's goign on outside their area 04:29 jono I think it is important that teams start out themselves and then get mentoring where they need it 04:29 jono mentoring may be a patchy experience, only applied where needed 04:29 Gnomonic :-) 04:29 elkbuntu thats not to say we dont plant the seed and let them decide to come ask for help 04:30 jono yes 04:30 jono ok 04:30 jono <philwyett> Are you looking at a set of common team goals for locoteams as a whole for a common base to build upon? === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nixternal is fashionably late like always ;) 04:31 jono philwyett, this is part of the plan 04:31 Gnomonic The sharing of team experiences and projects, I think, is a very good way to plant seeds. Wasn't there a 'ideas for a locoteam'-page at some point? 04:31 jono I am interested in developing some guidence for running a team 04:31 jono Gnomonic, yep 04:31 jono I think we need the following core docs on the wiki: 04:32 jono * how to run a loco team - a guide about how to run a loco effectively, encourage new members etc 04:32 jono * things you can do as a loco team - details and ideas of activities a loco can do 04:32 jono I am also developing a document that outlines what a loco team needs to do to get accepted as an official team 04:32 MehdiHassanpour this will be great help, jono 04:33 jono any other questions? 04:33 Yann2 (may we have a dedicated website, or will we have to work on the official english wiki?) 04:33 MehdiHassanpour and ask teams to announce what they do 04:33 MehdiHassanpour or have started 04:34 jono Yann2, dedicated site for loco teams? 04:34 philwyett For sharing whats happening in different teams - A live bookmarks feed like the fridge to allow people to see whats happening and maybe move out of their loco-team more? 04:34 Gnomonic I agree with MehdiHassanpour. It helps on the efficiency of a project, when you are in some way 'accountable' for your projects. 04:34 jono Yann2, I would like to see us get out wiki pages up to scratch and then a move to a dedicated site may be an option 04:34 Yann2 with wiki, blog, documents for getting approved as official locoteam, hosting, [...] 04:34 jono philwyett, I have been talking to the fridge people about getting far more loco news on there 04:35 philwyett jono: Ah, OK 04:35 jono I think we need loco teams to be able to see what other teams are doing and it will inspsire them to do their own things 04:35 philwyett True 04:35 jono I posted to loco-contacts for case studies and stories, do send them over :) 04:35 MehdiHassanpour many of these projects can be localized and customized by other teams for their local use too === freeflying hope we can access to launchpad more easy from china :p 04:36 jono any final questions? === Yann2 don't like launchpad :D :p 04:37 jono ok 04:37 jono lets cover this item: 04:37 jono Improving communication between LoCo teams and Canonical/Ubuntu orientations 04:37 jono David - want to outline what you mean? 04:37 Yann2 david`bgk, ping 04:37 jono thanks Yann2 :) 04:38 david`bgk yes, we don't know what ubuntu/canonical want about locos 04:38 jono right 04:38 elkbuntu afaik thats why we now have jono ;) 04:38 MehdiHassanpour ;) 04:38 jono david`bgk, this is what I am interested in helping with 04:39 jono I want to realise the full potential of the LoCo community 04:39 Gnomonic Every home needs a Jono. 04:39 jono heh 04:39 elkbuntu lol 04:39 jono david`bgk, in answer to your question: 04:39 david`bgk elkbuntu, yes but what about locos and canonical projects? we can do it together (for example spreading ubuntu at the office, etc) 04:40 Yann2 david`bgk 's afraid about competition between canonical and community, i think :) 04:40 elkbuntu i think the fact that canonical has hired jono should make it clear that they take the community seriously. jono -is- part of canonical 04:40 jono Canonical have ideas about how LoCo teams can help, and I have stacks of ideas, but part of what I want to do is to help the LoCo community develop cool ideas, schemes and more 04:40 david`bgk Yann2, not at all but what can we do together to promote ubuntu 04:40 jono canonical take community *extremely* seriously 04:41 elkbuntu rightly so since it is the one thing that makes ubuntu awesome 04:41 jono david`bgk, so you mean methods in which we can advocate ubuntu? 04:41 david`bgk jono, yes for example when did they want to promote officially ubuntu in france? 04:41 jono david`bgk, what do you mean 'officially' ? 04:41 elkbuntu david`bgk, you're free to drop into the marketing team channel at any time, btw 04:42 david`bgk yes in terms of marketing 04:42 jono david`bgk, you mean canonical marketing or the ubuntu community marketing? 04:43 Yann2 mmmh. in other words, we heard canonical wants to hire someone in france, essentially to do some advocacy 04:43 david`bgk jono, is there a difference between those? (and what about foundation?) 04:43 jono david`bgk, I don't think an effective LoCo structure is for Canonical to say "we want you to do this" and LoCo teams just do it 04:43 Yann2 we were surprised they didn'nt ping us, and wondered where our work start, and where it stops :) 04:43 jono Canonical want LoCo teams to be their own entity in many ways 04:43 david`bgk jono, not "want" but maybe "suggest" ;) 04:43 elkbuntu i think there's a distinct line between the responsibilities of canonical and the responsibilities of the community 04:43 jono david`bgk, sure, and we can certainly suggest ideas :) 04:44 jono as for canonical and ubuntu marketing - remember, ubuntu is its own project, but canonical sponsor it 04:44 jono canonical does not rule ubuntu and controll it 04:44 Yann2 don't want to troll but... that's not that clear, sorry :/ 04:44 jono Yann2, what isnt? 04:44 Yann2 well that's another debate 04:44 Yann2 that canonical/ubuntu foundation thing 04:45 jono right 04:45 elkbuntu im going to suggest that since this isnt a loco based thing as such it be brought up with the CC 04:45 jono yes 04:45 Yann2 let's stick to the topic 04:45 Gnomonic Maybe it would be great with an informational-meeting about that topic? 04:45 jono Gnomonic, I agree 04:45 elkbuntu feel free to suggest it to the CC 04:45 Yann2 already have my answer, from mark himself, just not that satisfied with it :p 04:46 jono I think we need to remember that LoCo teams are not there to just do work for Canonical, but they are there to help and promote Ubuntu 04:46 elkbuntu there is a CC meeting tomorrow 04:46 Gnomonic It you just pop into that an make a suggestion? 04:46 jono david`bgk, if you are interested in Canonical establishing how LoCo teams fit in with the Canonical marketinbg strategy, I think we should think about it 04:47 jono Gnomonic, add it to the agenda 04:47 david`bgk jono, ok now or on the mailing-list? 04:48 Gnomonic Just before we get back on topic. Could anyone check up on it, because I probably won't be able to attend. 04:48 MehdiHassanpour I think loco teams can have some kind of professional support and charge customers too, to cover their costs 04:49 jono david`bgk, I don;t think we have time now, plus I would like to get our Marketing manager along to a meeting about that 04:49 jono david`bgk, maybe at the next LoCo meeting 04:49 jono this brings me onto the subject of LoCo meetings 04:49 jono I would like us to have regular meetings where possib 04:49 jono possible 04:49 david`bgk jono, ok good idea 04:49 elkbuntu yep 04:49 jono but we need to hit the different time zones fairly 04:49 jono so everyone can participate 04:49 Gnomonic I was thinking about suggesting that. 04:49 elkbuntu jono, you know about the timeanddate.com meeting planner? 04:49 jono nope 04:49 jono let me see 04:50 elkbuntu http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html 04:51 jsgotangco we alway use that to sched events on diff tzs 04:51 jsgotangco or juse something like tzwatch 04:51 jono elkbuntu, wow thats cool 04:51 elkbuntu timeanddate.com == teh awesome 04:53 Yann2 (is the meeting over?) 04:53 elkbuntu not sure 04:53 elkbuntu i think jono's playing with the site 04:53 jono sorry, phone call 04:53 jsgotangco lol 04:53 elkbuntu or that === grimace [n=grimace@rolf.yuss.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:53 jono ok, any final questions or comments? 04:53 Yann2 (I noted a lots of good intentions, but nothing really concrete) 04:54 jono the aim of these meeting is not to create actions, but to just discuss some ideas 04:54 grimace damn I've missed it ;) 04:54 jono one concrete decision should be to have regular meetings 04:54 elkbuntu grimace, yeah sorry. the logs will be up soon or so 04:54 Gnomonic I have an idea: What about a LoCo idea pool? 04:54 jono I am thinking every two weeks on a Monday 04:54 Gargoyle I am very new to ubuntu, and the UK team. But I like what <MehdiHassanpour> said. 04:54 jono Gnomonic, good idea, a wiki page where people can add ideas 04:55 philwyett Slight OT question. The wiki is getting slower of late. Is this issue being addressed? 04:55 jono Gargoyle, which point 04:55 grimace elkbuntu: no worries and thanks 04:55 Gnomonic excactly === Yann2 for 1/month 04:55 elkbuntu philwyett, i believe it is being looked in to 04:55 jono philwyett, it has been, I have been onto the sysadmins about it, I will poke them again 04:55 Yann2 1 every two weeks is a lot :( 04:55 Gargoyle <MehdiHassanpour> I think loco teams can have some kind of professional support and charge customers too, to cover their costs 04:55 philwyett elkbuntu and jono: Good - thanks. 04:56 Hobbsee jono: ping (at the end of your meeting) 04:56 elkbuntu Yann2 the meetings dont have to be long or in depth, they can be simply a catchup and a chance to ask jono a question in a group environment 04:56 jono I think we need to do meetings fortnightly - so one meeting a month is one timezone, and the other is another 04:56 jono Hobbsee, ok :) 04:56 jono elkbuntu, exactly 04:57 Yann2 elkbuntu, it's just my own opinion ;) 04:57 freeflying jono: I still need your help :) 04:57 elkbuntu Yann2, also note what jono said. they'll end up monthly for most people anyway 04:57 jono lets try every two weeks and see how we get on, nothing is cast in stone :) 04:57 Gnomonic What time-zone was this meeting? 04:57 jono gnomefreak, UTC 04:58 jono europe mainly 04:58 MehdiHassanpour I agree with every 2 weeks 04:58 jono although east coast US could fit in and elkbuntu is in .au 04:58 elkbuntu its now 1am here 04:58 Gnomonic I would like to propose that the next 'europe'-meeting be set at least an hour later. 04:59 Hobbsee elkbuntu: will be used to having dodgy timezones. it's a curse of living her.e 04:59 jono heh 04:59 jono right, lets finish up them 04:59 elkbuntu fitting times to people is part of getting into the meeting mode 04:59 elkbuntu Hobbsee, aye 04:59 jono I will schedule another meeting, but the next one I won't be there as I am on holiday 05:00 Yann2 jono, may I have two words with you after the meeting? :) 05:00 jono Yann2, sure :) 05:00 jono ok, thanks people :) 05:00 elkbuntu jono, how long are you on holiday? 05:00 jono elkbuntu, two weeks 05:00 jono I return Oct 6th 05:00 Gnomonic So the next meeting will be on monday the 2. of october at some-or-the-other time. 05:00 Gnomonic Then no. 05:00 elkbuntu jono, make it after you return, and start the schedule from then 05:00 jono Gnomonic, yep 05:00 jono ok 05:00 jono can do 05:00 Gnomonic I agree with the elk. 05:00 jono maybe start on Oct 10th 05:00 MehdiHassanpour I agree 05:01 jono cool :) 05:01 jono obviously you can't get enough jono, which is understandable :P 05:01 Gnomonic It's a deal then. 05:01 jono cool 05:01 MehdiHassanpour set it whenever you are and have time 05:01 elkbuntu you're effectively the point of these meetings jono, so your attendance is priority 05:01 jono ok cool :) 05:01 MehdiHassanpour ;) 05:02 Gnomonic :-) 05:02 jono thanks for attending people, and keep using loco-contacts :)
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