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11:00 JoeyStanford ================= > Meeting Start: LoCo Team Meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting <================================ 11:01 JoeyStanford I guess I'll start it off :-) 11:01 JoeyStanford Welcome everyone for the LoCo Team meeting. The Short agenda is located at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting === nixternal notes the agenda has been answered except for item #2 11:02 elkbuntu first item on the agenda was from yann: The dns are still handled by smurf's private server. Is there any room for improvement there? 11:02 JoeyStanford nixternal, elkbuntu, and myself set this meeting up so all blame goes to us. We thank those of you who are here. We understand that the time may not be the best for everyone. 11:02 JoeyStanford We plan on having the next meeting at a better time. We'll talk about that towards then end of this meeting. 11:02 nixternal when it comes to that stuff, I have always worked with newz2000. Now I don't know if that is because I am within driving distance of him, or if he does that for everybody 11:03 elkbuntu well, smurf has replied: DNS is now handled by the ubuntu-eu master server. Dynamic updates are possible; ask me for your domain's secret code. 11:03 nixternal that stuff being "DNS, websites, and what not" 11:03 smurf some locos already have. No complaints yet. ;-) 11:04 smurf I've written a small Perl tool that makes the DNS updates a little more palatable than the under-documented "nsupdate" tool. ... 11:04 nixternal ahh, good ol' nsupdate 11:04 JoeyStanford Is Yann here by chance? I don't see him on the user list. 11:05 elkbuntu is there anything regarding dns and/or websites that anyone wants to bring up now? 11:05 smurf JoeyStanford: I've pinged him on #u-locoteams 11:06 JoeyStanford smurf, thanks. 11:06 JoeyStanford elkbuntu, yes I'd like to raise a related item 11:06 JoeyStanford https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCreatingWebsite 11:06 JoeyStanford needs to be written 11:06 FunnyLookinHat I would like to discuss that as well. 11:07 elkbuntu who would volunteer to assist smurf in the writing of that wikipage? 11:07 elkbuntu smurf, i'd like you to contribute to it, so the 'howto' steps are actually accurate ;) 11:07 boredandblogging i could help, jsvh and I are working on starting up the Georgia LoCo 11:08 FunnyLookinHat Should we first establish the guidelines that will be on that page so that we know what it will actually entail? Stuff other than simply making the wiki page, etc? 11:08 elkbuntu FunnyLookinHat, sure. suggestions? 11:08 smurf elkbuntu: umm, see LoCoHosting ? 11:08 JoeyStanford https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting 11:09 elkbuntu smurf, that contains everything? 11:09 smurf anyway I've never set up a community webpage, so I'd like to defer that to people who actually speak from experience. 11:10 nixternal community webpage? Like what we are doing with Drupal and such? 11:10 FunnyLookinHat elkbuntu, well, there is a strong push from a few members of the Colorado team right now to move completely away from the wiki... I had understood that a certain standard was to use the wiki as a main basis for all loco information 11:10 smurf elkbuntu: LoCoHosting has the technical details on who to talk to if you want hosting. The point of LoCoCreatingWebsite should be content and structure of what you need to set up after you have hosting. 11:10 JoeyStanford It appears to me that the hosting page has enough information on how to get a hosted page. So then, might I suggest the Creating Website page be for ideas on how to represent your LoCo? === smurf notes that empty webpages are no fun 11:11 alefteris I think the wiki pagw should contain link to resourses about setting up moin and getting themes for moin, forums and drupal.. 11:11 nixternal I agree with alefteris on that 11:11 nixternal I think Drupal is covered, as well as setting up a Planet 11:11 nixternal for Wiki, I think everything should remain on w.u.c/teamname/subdirs 11:12 nixternal it is already there, so one less step for maintenance really 11:12 elkbuntu right. so the CreatingWebsite page should be a portal to all the various aspects, such as those nixternal covered, as well as the hosting page smurf pointed out 11:12 JoeyStanford +1 11:12 alefteris nixternal, where is drupal covered? 11:12 smurf +1 11:13 elkbuntu any other votes? 11:13 nixternal I thought it was somewhere on there alefteris, I might actually be wrong as I don't see anything on it 11:13 alefteris +1 11:13 JoeyStanford alefteris, there are a few drupal wiki entries but nothing that ties it together 11:13 nixternal +1 if I can vote 11:13 Vorian +1 11:13 FunnyLookinHat +1 11:14 pochu About that of Drupal... I think Ubuntu is changing to Joomla, so we also should put info of Joomla, and any theme... 11:14 pochu oh, and +1 :) 11:14 nixternal alefteris: I may have been thinking about the mailing-list, there are plenty of Drupal communications on there about the themes and what not 11:14 alefteris talk to newz2000 a dew days ago, and told me that he is using druapal 4.7 11:14 elkbuntu ok, who volunteers to track down all the information, document the lack of specific howtos, and add them to the LoCoCreatingWebsites wiki? === nixternal would love to, but he has to deal with string freezes less than a month away on 3 projects 11:16 Mirv hmm, should the LoCoHosting's "Hosted Teams" be updated by someone who has an official list of all the Canonical hosted sites? 11:16 nixternal I am looking at that as well Mirv, since when is Ubuntu-art a LoCo team? 11:16 elkbuntu Mirv, yes, very likely. 11:16 elkbuntu nixternal, or sfd 11:16 smurf nixternal: it's not, but it's still hosted there, so... 11:16 Mirv ubuntu-fi and ubuntu-it are eg. missing 11:16 nixternal smurf: gotcha 11:17 smurf Mirv: so add them ;-) 11:17 Mirv smurf: I don't know where -it moved and if we (-fi) have a "VPS" or a "server" :) === JoeyStanford has another related topic ones volunteers have signed up for the hosting page. 11:18 elkbuntu yes, so lets deal with: <elkbuntu> ok, who volunteers to track down all the information, document the lack of specific howtos, and add them to the LoCoCreatingWebsites wiki? 11:19 nixternal elkbuntu: if we can't get the love here, maybe we could put it to the mailing list since a few people couldn't make it? 11:19 elkbuntu nixternal, yes, but it'd be nice for a 'coordinator' 11:20 nixternal very true, I am strapped right now, so to avoid burn-out syndrom, I have to pass 11:20 elkbuntu however since nobody has volunteered, i suppose we'll just have to open it as a free-for-all 11:21 JoeyStanford FunnyLookinHat and boredandblogging, from your recent investigation of hosting and perusal of places like Chicago's site and Australia's's, do you think you two could take a stab at the page? 11:21 FunnyLookinHat I would volunteer, but I think I would be much better at filling in ideas that have already been thought of. 11:21 FunnyLookinHat ahh, JoeyStanford had to pin me on it. 11:21 JoeyStanford hehe... Just and idea. In no way binding. 11:21 boredandblogging I'm not sure how much I could help since we are starting out, but that may be the best way to start the page 11:22 FunnyLookinHat just re-iterate exactly what topics I am discovering elkbuntu , would it be anyting for locodocs day or just related to the website? 11:22 boredandblogging I'd like to take a stab as long as people don't mind me bugging them with questions ;-) 11:23 elkbuntu FunnyLookinHat, it needs to be a portal page to link to anything to do with loco hosting and website software usage 11:23 JoeyStanford bugging is allowed. 11:23 boredandblogging then I volunteer 11:23 FunnyLookinHat boredandblogging, why don't you and i work together on it then. 11:23 nixternal boredandblogging: you can always bug me with questions as long as I am around :) 11:23 boredandblogging sounds good 11:23 nixternal I am always on #everywhere_imaginable :) 11:24 elkbuntu ok, cool. action: boredandblogging and FunnyLookinHat to oversee the construction of the LoCoCreatingWebsites wikipage :) 11:24 JoeyStanford might also want to poke mdke for ideas since he does the Ubuntu website. 11:24 elkbuntu very good point === JoeyStanford has two more topics, 1 for smurf and 1 for everyone 11:25 elkbuntu ok, please go on 11:25 FunnyLookinHat ::noted 11:26 JoeyStanford for smurf, please have a peek at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrDeHosting and see if this is still valid. It appears that it's a precursor to what you're doing now. 11:26 JoeyStanford for everyone, is there sufficient interest to discuss this website topic today? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamsUDSMVSpecs/UbuntuWebsiteCommunityTranslations 11:27 JoeyStanford if not, I'm happy to pass on it. 11:28 smurf JoeyStanford: FrDeHosting is a bit out of date and has been written for a locoteam meeting, I kindof doubt that we still need that page actually 11:28 FunnyLookinHat Do we have any non-english LoCos present that could comment on what mkde said on that page? 11:28 FunnyLookinHat *mdke 11:28 JoeyStanford smurf, that's what I was thinking. I'll put that page's future in your hands. 11:29 elkbuntu we could probably benefit taking the translation page to the loco contacts list 11:29 smurf ok 11:29 FunnyLookinHat agreed. 11:29 JoeyStanford re: community translations, I know several non-English speaking LoCos have translated their own material (China, India, etc.) 11:30 nixternal Chicago as well :) 11:30 elkbuntu JoeyStanford, many of the teams that have their own websites have done so, yes. 11:31 JoeyStanford So I think the decision is really: a) do we translate in one location or b) do we leave it up to each LoCo team and their webstie 11:31 JoeyStanford From that aspect, I think I agree with mdke 11:32 FunnyLookinHat I think that the LoCo teams would be more adept at being able to address documentation targeted at their local population. 11:32 nixternal I would almost think it would be easier from one location, but what do I know 11:32 elkbuntu JoeyStanford, it would be useful to have the translations 'kept' in a central place, especially for languages that are used in multiple places 11:32 nixternal set the website up just like we do packages, and have each team translate, unless there is something easier. I have no clue though 11:33 JoeyStanford any other comments? 11:34 JoeyStanford smurf, jenda, Mirv pochu, etc? 11:34 JoeyStanford all you silent lurkers... :-) 11:34 smurf not from me 11:34 smurf JoeyStanford: FrDeHosting page suitably commented 11:35 JoeyStanford smurf, thank you sir. 11:35 smurf NP 11:35 JoeyStanford ok, I vote to pass on the translation topic and move to the next agenda item 11:35 FunnyLookinHat +1 11:36 elkbuntu JoeyStanford, i dont think the triad of english-speakers (you, nix, me) are going to be able to accurately decide on it, so +1 11:36 alex_muntada We at CatalanTeam (not official yet) started translating help.ubuntu.com, so we can integrate it on the same English website 11:37 nixternal ditto 11:37 nixternal alex_muntada: h.u.c/community or the actualy system docs? 11:37 alex_muntada now, from mdke comment I see that it brings trouble, so you're encouraging that teams have its own websites, isn't it? 11:38 alex_muntada nixternal: everything that we can contribute :) 11:38 nixternal nice! 11:38 alex_muntada but we don't know how yet ;) 11:38 nixternal h.u.c main page is translated in Rosetta 11:38 nixternal well the docs listed on that page are 11:39 Mirv yes, most guides are in Rosetta 11:39 alex_muntada oh yes, I remember now that someone told that on our list 11:39 alex_muntada but from mdke's comments it seems that this is not the way to go, is it? 11:39 elkbuntu i think we would need mdke here to clarify the point 11:40 Mirv regarding other stuff, I think most locoteams probably want to have somewhat unique sites so that they have some more local feel, but 11:40 elkbuntu how about we defer this point and move on to the next one? 11:40 FunnyLookinHat agreed. 11:40 Mirv ...we for example use the "About Ubuntu" translation from Rosetta as such for one of our pages 11:40 nixternal there is mdke now, so fire away 11:41 nixternal JoeyStanford: I went and wrangled him away from commiting more work than I this week :) 11:41 elkbuntu right... mdke, we are discussing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamsUDSMVSpecs/UbuntuWebsiteCommunityTranslations 11:41 mdke that isn't on the agenda 11:42 elkbuntu mdke, it grew out of the first topic 11:42 mdke I would have put some time aside to turn up if I'd known it would be discussed 11:42 mdke as it is I have very little time 11:42 mdke anyway, how can I help? 11:43 JoeyStanford mdke, we were going to table this but if you have any comments you'd like to share at this time on that spec, we would love to hear them 11:44 alex_muntada mdke: the point being that LoCoTeams put their translation in the English website or in their own 11:45 alex_muntada help.ubuntu.com for instance 11:45 mdke I favour local teams using their own for consistency 11:46 alex_muntada so LoCo's websites can diverge from the original English websites, adapting to their local communities? 11:46 mdke I think local websites are great, and it's even better if everything can be found in the same place 11:47 mdke alex_muntada: yes, that's my opinion. I think it's also the current policy 11:47 mdke we're probably going to go the same way for help.ubuntu.com, tbh; it's too difficult to maintain all the languages 11:47 JoeyStanford mdke, were would go to look up the current policy? 11:48 elkbuntu i think we're going to have to move on to the next topic now 11:48 mdke it's not written down, but you can see that www.ubuntu.com isn't localised 11:48 mdke that's the most important site for Ubuntu, so... 11:49 JoeyStanford mdke, ok, thanks. We have about 11 minutes remaining so I also concur to move to the next topic. 11:49 elkbuntu next topic: Set Date for next LoCoDocsDay. What can we do to encourage more LoCo's to contribute? 11:49 alex_muntada agreed, we can discuss this further on another meeting 11:49 mdke ok! please update the agenda early in future so people can see what interests them === FunnyLookinHat blames JoeyStanford 11:50 iSeriesSysAdm +1 11:50 JoeyStanford Yeah, these were pick-up topics generated from the original topic. 11:51 elkbuntu ok,,, on to the locodocsday topic 11:51 elkbuntu any ideas? 11:51 FunnyLookinHat I propose that the date for LoCoDocsDay be before the end of Feb. Any opposition to that? 11:51 JoeyStanford https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDocsDay 11:52 elkbuntu is two weeks sufficient to promote? 11:52 FunnyLookinHat Hug days are often done with less promotion time and have had great success. 11:52 elkbuntu FunnyLookinHat, hug days are more well-known generally 11:53 nixternal I know Jono is interested mainly in getting well rounded documentation for the LoCo Teams FAQ and the Knowledge base 11:53 FunnyLookinHat quite true. 11:53 FunnyLookinHat Well, at the least, I say it's done before Feisty release... I know it's a ways off, but time can go by quickly. 11:53 pochu hug days are often each 15 days, I think :) 11:54 JoeyStanford The driver, for me, for the Doc Days is to help bring the number of CC Approved LoCo teams up. 11:54 nixternal Ubuntu BugSquad - we do our hug days every Wednesday, we can pick a day and make it a LoCo Hug day, on any other day than Wednesday 11:54 JoeyStanford The better the docs, the more help we can be as group to emerging LoCo teams. That combined with mentoring would be a boon, I would think. 11:54 pochu nixternal: not every Wednesday 11:55 nixternal pochu: did that change, or did someone get lazy? 11:55 nixternal s/lazy/busy :) 11:55 pochu nixternal: you can see the topic of #ubuntu-bugs, and the mailing list for the hug day :) 11:55 FunnyLookinHat I think we should also note that with Feisty you are going to see a unique surge in Ubuntu (and coincidentally Loco) interest... 11:55 pochu last wednesday wasn't a hug day 11:55 pochu but this it is :) 11:56 elkbuntu JoeyStanford, maybe another case for 'ask the list'? 11:56 FunnyLookinHat +1 11:56 JoeyStanford I was thinking about FunnyLookinHat's suggestion. Maybe the 24th. 11:57 elkbuntu JoeyStanford, can it be sufficiently promoted, since it's not yet a tradition in the community? 11:57 JoeyStanford elkbuntu, ...and that's what I was just thinking about. It's easy to set a date. It's hard to get help to actually update the docs. 11:57 FunnyLookinHat The amount of work related to LoCoDocs day is much less than they try to accomplish in a Hug day... we won't need to garner 100 people or anything like that. 11:58 FunnyLookinHat But it would be nice if it was people other than LoCo leaders helping out. 11:58 elkbuntu FunnyLookinHat, no, but after last docs day, i had a good few people ask me why they had not known about it 11:59 FunnyLookinHat Then let's definitely send an email to the loco-contacts list to make sure each team lead informs their team about the day and task at hand. 11:59 alex_muntada elkbuntu: what about putting that in next UWN 11:59 JoeyStanford Well, with about 1 minute remaining, we can either defer the topic for two weeks or set a date now, Fridge-it, UWN-it, and Blog-it 11:59 elkbuntu alex_muntada, of course. the last one was on there, so i see no reason why this one shouldnt be 12:00 alex_muntada +1 for Feb 24 12:00 FunnyLookinHat I vote to set a date and promote like angry monkeys. 12:00 FunnyLookinHat +1 Feb 24 12:00 nixternal +1 12:00 pochu +1 12:00 elkbuntu i'd prefer more time to promote it 12:01 pochu I think 2 weeks is fine 12:01 elkbuntu pochu, 12 days != 2 weeks 12:01 pochu hehe 12:01 pochu you're right :) 12:01 FunnyLookinHat We could always have another one before the end of march if necessary, couldn't we? 12:01 elkbuntu of course i am 12:01 FunnyLookinHat haha! 12:01 JoeyStanford The next LoCo meeting should be on the 25th-ish so 3 March would be the next good date 12:02 elkbuntu that makes more sense to me 12:02 elkbuntu the extra week will also give us time to plan during next loco meeting 12:02 FunnyLookinHat Agreed. 12:02 alex_muntada no problem 12:02 elkbuntu +1 3rd march 12:02 JoeyStanford ok, amended proposal: Next LoCo Meeting 25 March at 17:00 GMT and Docs Day on 3 March 12:02 FunnyLookinHat +1 === JoeyStanford opens up a can of worms 12:03 alex_muntada +1 12:03 JoeyStanford any more comments? 12:03 elkbuntu nope, i think we're done 12:04 JoeyStanford Thank you all for attending. Even you lurkers. ;-) 12:04 ausimage Very briefly, I am with ScribesTeam. We would like to encourage a response about how loco meetings are recorded and located. You can email email@example.com with a response. Check the wiki for more about the Team. 12:05 JoeyStanford ausimag1, would you like to present at the next meeting? 12:05 ausimage Hmmm I could... NikButler had said he would... but I had not seen him lately 12:05 JoeyStanford ok, I'll add you to the next agenda. 12:05 ausimage I also know Stephen emailed the list about this 12:06 JoeyStanford elkbuntu, nixternal, I'll take a try now on updating the agenda and the docs day page. 12:06 nixternal roger that 12:06 JoeyStanford =================> End LoCo Meeting <=======================