20070429
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04:00 elkbuntu Ok people 04:00 elkbuntu who do we have here for the LoCo Teams meeting? 04:01 pochu yo === markvandenborre will be here, but might have to go during the meeting a few times 04:01 elkbuntu sure, no prob 04:01 elkbuntu who else? 04:02 elkbuntu i'll give it 5 before we start so people have a chance to turn up === rafael_carreras will be here, but I have not much to say, I think 04:05 elkbuntu ok, show of hands for the LoCo Teams Meeting 04:05 jono yo 04:05 pochu me 04:05 elkbuntu hey jono, just baout to start 04:05 pochu hey jono 04:06 jono hey 04:06 elkbuntu Ok, so we're here to discuss what we want to be discussed about LoCos at the UDS next week 04:07 elkbuntu Based on the feedback we got through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoReview i have registered 3 specs, which I hope will go to the summit. They're at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamsUDSSevillaSpecs 04:08 elkbuntu take a moment to read those, and then feel free to ask/comment 04:12 elkbuntu ok, anyone? 04:12 pochu elkbuntu: what about name policy? 04:12 elkbuntu pochu, that comes under 'definition' 04:12 pochu yeah :) 04:13 jono dammit, I have to run, back soon 04:15 amachu hi 04:15 Med-Wei|Sara Hi. 04:15 elkbuntu for those just joining for the meeting: 04:15 elkbuntu <elkbuntu> Based on the feedback we got through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoReview i have registered 3 specs, which I hope will go to the summit. They're at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamsUDSSevillaSpecs 04:15 elkbuntu <elkbuntu> take a moment to read those, and then feel free to ask/comment 04:18 markvandenborre elkbuntu, like, comment here, or add something to the wiki pages? what would you prefer us to do? 04:18 amachu elkbuntu: i would like to add 04:18 elkbuntu markvandenborre, both 04:18 elkbuntu what is your comment? 04:18 amachu the co-ordination we have with Sri Lankan Tamils 04:18 markvandenborre resources: banners and stuff 04:19 markvandenborre is just one example 04:19 amachu also be added to the positive things happening around.... 04:19 Belutz hi all i'm from Indonesian LoCo 04:19 markvandenborre hi 04:19 amachu I will add it now.. 04:19 elkbuntu markvandenborre, while i feel that comes under: * Resource availability - What is and is not available to teams. This has changed recently and some are confused. 04:19 elkbuntu feel free to add it to the page 04:19 markvandenborre it falls under that item, of course 04:20 markvandenborre it's mostly about stuff that has to be sourced new and will be of no use except for to promote ubuntu 04:21 elkbuntu markvandenborre, i intentionally avoided strictly defining certain things in the specs, to avoid restricting discussion 04:21 elkbuntu ok, amachu. what about coordination? 04:22 amachu elkbuntu: its on translation efforts 04:22 elkbuntu amachu, explain further please 04:23 amachu elkbuntu: tamil is language spoken both in TamilNadu, India & SriLanka 04:23 amachu so we decided to share common things among us 04:24 amachu we approched the Tamil speaking members of SriLankan team 04:24 elkbuntu amachu, and what is the concern? there should be a translation team to cover the language, but the locos should still be seperate identities 04:25 amachu i think its not needed... if proper co-ordination can be achieved.. 04:25 markvandenborre elkbuntu, you can't separate translation and language entirely 04:25 amachu LoCo teams can happen to be geography based 04:25 markvandenborre remember a discussion at UDS Mountain View? 04:25 amachu russell: can u share about your experience with Bengali Team 04:25 markvandenborre I was not very awake at the time 04:25 markvandenborre I think I can explain more clearly now 04:26 elkbuntu markvandenborre, not entirely, but the translation efforts, while a project of the loco, should not be confined to a loco 04:26 markvandenborre of course they don't have to 04:27 markvandenborre the situation for ubuntu-nl.org and ubuntu-be.org 04:27 Ekushey amachu, our target group are school going kids and university students 04:27 elkbuntu markvandenborre, that's what im trying to say here. the locos could easily form translation subteams within them, and the culmination of these subteams would form a language team 04:27 amachu Ekushey: ok.. 04:28 markvandenborre elkbuntu, that's overstructuring things I'm afraid, and not a solution to everything 04:28 Ekushey amachu, the responce is very good... i get atleast 2 phone calls everyday from ppl who wants to use ubuntu or run into problems 04:28 Med-Wei|Sara amachu: Does translations have some slighty different between nations? 04:28 markvandenborre take Belgium and Holland 04:28 amachu elkbuntu: now, that has to be done in unison with upstream also 04:28 markvandenborre and the dutch language 04:28 amachu Med-Wei|Sara: Yes 04:28 amachu very little though 04:29 elkbuntu markvandenborre, there doesnt have to be structure, but if structure is needed for the sake of coordination, it should be use 04:29 rafael_carreras amachu: but significant 04:29 amachu Ekushey: i too have started getting calls 04:29 markvandenborre the use of nl in online services is important for reaching a certain critical mass amongst the speakers of the language 04:29 markvandenborre not only in translations 04:31 elkbuntu this is why we need to discuss definition 04:31 markvandenborre which is why ubuntu-be.org did not create a separate forum 04:31 markvandenborre ok, so that's something for Sevilla then, sorry 04:32 markvandenborre I just wanted to make sure that the distinction between 04:32 markvandenborre 1. translation 04:32 markvandenborre 2. online-only services 04:32 markvandenborre and 3. really location bound services 04:32 markvandenborre is made in these discussions 04:32 elkbuntu markvandenborre, that's why it's proposed for sevilla 04:34 amachu elkbuntu: on LoCo resources.. It would be nice to have the databases upgraded to latest versions 04:35 amachu elkbuntu: we do have problems that we could not upgade to latest version of mediawiki due the the server not supporting it 04:36 elkbuntu amachu, ok, note it on the review page please 04:36 amachu so, periodic upgration of server is the key point to be noted here 04:36 amachu elkbuntu: sure 04:36 amachu any comments on this 04:37 elkbuntu i'll comment that it's at the sysadmin discretion, and they already get plenty of ribbing for accidental downtime ;) 04:38 amachu elkbuntu: :-) 04:38 amachu On LoCo definition, 04:39 amachu We are indeed a Team representing a State of India 04:39 elkbuntu amachu, does india have a team to cover all of it? 04:40 amachu elkbuntu: yes.. we do have Ubuntu-in.. but 1 billion population to toooooooooo big for it to cover 04:40 amachu ;-) 04:40 elkbuntu amachu, i am aware, i was just making sure there was complete coverage 04:40 amachu I have recently noticed budding Andrapradesh Team 04:41 amachu another neighbouring state of us 04:42 elkbuntu amachu, do all these indian state teams cooperate like for instance the US state teams do? 04:42 amachu well, Yes 04:42 amachu with Ubuntu India team we do 04:43 elkbuntu cool 04:43 amachu elkbuntu: andra team is yet to grow and get approved 04:43 amachu i had recently established contact with them.. no not much of interaction.. 04:44 elkbuntu there's no one firm rule that can be applied to all teams and circumstances, but there are cases where exceptions and additional structure is required. that is what we are hoping to decide, discuss etc at the summit 04:44 lifeless night all 04:44 elkbuntu amachu, you're trying, that's enough 04:44 elkbuntu night lifeless 04:45 amachu now.. LoCo Resources.. we can have some place in Ubuntu Site, we have can have our special appeals made 04:45 amachu like request for funding at a global level 04:45 amachu for LoCo specific projects 04:45 Ekushey elkbuntu, regarding the "state" teams, i've a question... shouldn't there be a rule on when "state" or divistional teams can be formed? maybe based on population and size of the country? 04:45 elkbuntu i dont know. that is what needs discussing. resources has afaik never been formally discussed, this is why it is top priority as far as i am concerned 04:46 elkbuntu Ekushey, indeed. one of the things that will be discussed 04:46 nixternal good mornin'! 04:46 elkbuntu moin nixternal! 04:46 amachu while LoCo sites are their language specific and the number of hits is low to their site and more to Ubuntu site 04:46 amachu some link in Ubuntu site where LoCo appeals can be put forth 04:47 amachu and coming to LoCo Collaboration, 04:48 amachu we did identified a person as it has been stated in the page for education.. and it was in the mid of the academic year 04:48 amachu now its summer vacation for schools here, we need to trigger it up 04:48 elkbuntu yep 04:48 amachu also the Ubuntu LoCo derivative project 04:48 Ekushey elkbuntu, oh ok... USA and India are big counties, so they can have divisional teams. But if people from smaller countries start making divisional LoCo teams without consulting with the country team, then it will only lead to grouping. 04:49 markvandenborre amachu, derivative project is dead 04:49 amachu markvandenborre: but we need it 04:49 amachu :-( 04:49 markvandenborre we need information about creating localised iso's 04:49 markvandenborre better documentation of that would be a great resource to locoteams 04:50 elkbuntu Ekushey, indeed. at any point where there's multiple teams per locale, it's best to have a 'coop' group to make sure there's communication. they'd do things sort of like this meeting here, but on a local level 04:50 Ekushey u r right markvandenborre 04:50 amachu LoCo derivative project is the foremost resource that we expect.. 04:50 markvandenborre which is why I added it to the "things that don't work" page 04:50 amachu and we would be much pleased to have one mentor atleast 04:50 Ekushey elkbuntu, got that, thanks 04:51 amachu for that 04:51 markvandenborre what I would like to find out is how to measure our relevance 04:51 markvandenborre as locoteams 04:52 elkbuntu ok. as a basic concept as you'd propose for a spec, how would you go about it? 04:52 markvandenborre towards Canonical, towards press, towards our team members 04:53 markvandenborre elkbuntu, maybe I can drop something on the wiki about it? 04:53 elkbuntu markvandenborre, please 04:53 markvandenborre on a separate spec page? 04:53 markvandenborre ok 04:54 elkbuntu mention it on the review page, and bulk it out on a spec page 04:54 markvandenborre ok 04:56 amachu elkbuntu: any commnets from you on Ubuntu Derivative Project 04:56 amachu we had gr8 expectations from that 04:56 markvandenborre there was no such project, only in name 04:56 amachu markvandenborre: yes.. 04:57 markvandenborre the Canonical developers I have talked to have stated clearly that they have no interest in creating localised iso's themselves 04:57 elkbuntu amachu, given derivatives can be for any reason, i think that it probably goes beyond the scope of LoCos 04:57 markvandenborre but they are willing to help out people who have done their research with questions on how to create iso's 04:57 markvandenborre elkbuntu, I think amachu has a point here 04:58 markvandenborre when he stresses the importance of localised cd's 04:58 amachu elkbuntu: yes.. 04:58 elkbuntu markvandenborre, i agree they are important, however if a project was to exist, it would be for far more than just localisation 04:59 amachu I feel its not beyond the scope.. but needs extra efforts to be put 04:59 amachu elkbuntu: exactly 04:59 elkbuntu and it is beyond my knowledge to comment on how, or by whom they should be done 04:59 amachu elkbuntu: we dream beyond localisation 04:59 markvandenborre elkbuntu, the main action point that could be taken is probably 04:59 Med-Wei|Sara how about apt-on-cd packages isofile? 05:00 amachu elkbuntu: but the first step alone is localisation 05:00 markvandenborre to make sure localisation documentation and utilities grow towards something unified and well maintained 05:00 amachu elkbuntu: like developing applications thats specific to our region 05:00 markvandenborre hm, that sounds fluffy, sorry 05:01 amachu elkbuntu: and adding it to that ditro.. and these applications need not have transaltions in all languages 05:01 elkbuntu amachu, there are already localised versions that have been made by teams already, maybe it is best talking to them? 05:01 Ekushey localised+customised version of ubuntu is very important... for example, majority of the computer users in bangladesh are using pentium II and III PCs with 128 MB of RAM... installing Ubuntu on these machines can be a scary experinece 05:01 amachu elkbuntu: yep.. mdke suggested to contact italian team 05:02 amachu elkbuntu: i will do that 05:02 elkbuntu amachu, then that is a good starting point 05:02 amachu elkbuntu: ok 05:03 Ekushey elkbuntu, i'm not clear abt the ubuntu trademark pocily abt the customised/localised versions 05:03 markvandenborre read it, it's really clear 05:03 elkbuntu Ekushey, that you need to talk to canonical about. IANAL 05:03 amachu i had added that to community council agenda, when i too felt its dying 05:04 amachu hope we make it there to put forth our points 05:04 Ekushey on the last CC meeting, there was some discussion abt it... but sadly i couldn't follow the entire conversion 05:04 pleia2 Ekushey: have you read: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy ? 05:04 Ekushey pleia2 yes i've read it 05:04 pleia2 the same is true for loco teams 05:05 amachu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda/CommunityCouncilAgenda 05:05 amachu its happening on May 16 05:05 Ekushey pleia2, i still have some confusions, so i'll add it to the next meeting agenda 05:05 amachu markvandenborre: how about your comments on raising it there? 05:06 amachu markvandenborre: can we hope to bring life ? 05:06 elkbuntu Ekushey, trademarks@canonical.com can be asked any trademark questions you might have 05:07 markvandenborre amachu, what are you talking about? 05:07 Med-Wei|Sara The term free can be two definitions, freedom and gratis. There is a problem that Chinese doesn't have a word covering those. I got the problem when I translate some introdution documents. 05:07 markvandenborre about documentation for creating derivatives? 05:07 amachu markvandenborre: about raising the derivative issue to CC 05:07 markvandenborre amachu, I don't see why it should be raised at the CC 05:07 markvandenborre the job needs to be done 05:08 Ekushey elkbuntu, ok thanks 05:08 amachu markvandenborre: ok 05:08 markvandenborre centralising, creating and updating localisation documentation is what needs to be done imho 05:08 markvandenborre mostly, creating awareness about that 05:09 amachu markvandenborre: ok 05:10 markvandenborre you don't have to agree, but I don't see any other way 05:10 amachu and in a Longer perpective.. we need to have professionals to promote Ubuntu in LoCo regions 05:10 amachu since LoCo is more of voluntary nature 05:11 amachu and if Bug #1 need to fixed, we need to have 05:11 amachu thats taking it far tooooooo beyond I believe.. and in the scope of canonical :-) 05:12 elkbuntu Ok, unless anyone has anything else urgent... 05:12 Ekushey I'm sorry but i've go now... take care all. Bye bye amachu, elkbuntu, markvandenborre, pleia2 and others. 05:12 markvandenborre Ekushey, bye 05:13 elkbuntu I'm going to call the meeting closed then. Thanks all! 05:13 amachu elkbuntu: thank u 05:13 amachu Thank You every one 05:13 amachu :-)
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