20070219

This is the 3rd meeting of the Mozilla Team, starting at 21:30 GMT and finishing at 23:50 GMT

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Minutes

Topic: include thunderbird 2.0 rc in Feisty

  • Asac will ask release team.

Topic: Weekly builds for browser and mail

Topic: The necessity of packaging extensions

Topic: Mozilla Council start-up

Topic: What has been done and what needs to be done from last meeting

Topic: bug tags and workflow

Topic: Taking over the Thunderbird package from Mark Shuttleworth

Topic: Faster response time for security update

Topic: renaming packages

Topic: Any other matters that we missed or needs to be discussed?

Any Other Business

IRC LOGS

[22:33:08] <asac> want to wait a few more minutes to see if others show up?
[22:33:14] <poningru> sure
[22:33:15] <gnomefreak> thats fine
[22:33:23] <gnomefreak> damn thing pms me too :(
[22:33:53] <poningru> lol
[22:34:19] <gnomefreak> who is here for the meeting?
[22:34:31] * poningru is
[22:34:34] <poningru> brb
[22:34:42] * crimsun is
[22:34:45] <gnomefreak> brb == you rnot here for meeting ;)
[22:34:53] <asac> Freddy, David are missing
[22:35:19] <gnomefreak> asac: how long do you have here?
[22:36:05] <gnomefreak> freedy wont be here
[22:36:24] <gnomefreak> he said something about it yesterday/over weekend the more i think of it
[22:36:47] * ajmitch lurks
[22:37:10] <asac> will be here ... but maybe not that responsive for some minutes :)
[22:37:47] <gnomefreak> i have 2 ageda points im sure are the same as eachother
[22:37:47] <asac> 60 min. at least :)
[22:37:54] <pochu> hello!
[22:38:00] <gnomefreak> ther eyou are
[22:38:04] <gnomefreak> :)
[22:38:10] <poningru> back
[22:38:21] <gnomefreak> pochu: we will be starting soon.
[22:38:29] <pochu> gnomefreak: when you want :)
[22:38:40] <gnomefreak> not me when david shows up
[22:38:57] <gnomefreak> who is eldo?
[22:39:08] * poningru is eldo
[22:39:16] <gnomefreak> ah
[22:39:59] <gnomefreak> poningru: and pochu i think your ageda points are the same but we will go over it
[22:40:11] <pochu> gnomefreak: looking
[22:40:37] <pochu> gnomefreak: don't know :)
[22:40:52] <poningru> it is?
[22:41:03] <poningru> which one? the tbird and...?
[22:41:41] <gnomefreak> nvm miss read it
[22:42:04] <pochu> poningru: I'm emilio
[22:42:43] <poningru> hehe
[22:42:45] * poningru gathered
[22:47:40] <poningru> ok guess we can start?
[22:48:47] <gnomefreak> asac: if it ok with you we can start with the ones that david nor alex need to be here for like poningru and pochu's points?
[22:49:38] <asac> ok

Anchor(thunderbird)

[22:49:50] <gnomefreak> [topic] include thunderbird 2.0 rc in Feisty
[22:50:15] <asac> can someone please summarize what was done with firefox in edgy?
[22:50:35] <gnomefreak> asac: we added non released ff in edgy
[22:50:51] <gnomefreak> securty fixes got us to where we are with it iirc
[22:50:55] <poningru> pochu: ping your up
[22:50:56] <asac> hmm
[22:50:59] <pochu> hi!
[22:51:06] <asac> what is released fro tbird 2.0 already?
[22:51:07] <asac> rc1 ?
[22:51:10] <gnomefreak> asac pochu the issue i see is tb 2.0 is far off iirc
[22:51:22] <gnomefreak> rc1 i think
[22:51:25] <poningru> gnomefreak: not that far off
[22:51:29] <pochu> rc1 is later febraury
[22:51:33] <pochu> I think it's still beta2
[22:51:37] <pochu> looking
[22:51:38] <gnomefreak> poningru: oh yes it is
[22:51:42] <poningru> yes beta2
[22:51:48] <poningru> gnomefreak: couple of months
[22:51:52] <asac> i think its just not stable enough to push a beta2
[22:51:52] <gnomefreak> asac: you still have that link you gave me about it?
[22:52:11] <asac> we can try to prepare thunderbird package though, in case mozilla releases 2.0 in time for feisty
[22:52:14] <pochu> beta2
[22:52:15] <gnomefreak> poningru: there is no date set last i heard
[22:52:22] <poningru> gnomefreak: nope no date set
[22:52:31] <pochu> asac: rc1 should be out in february
[22:52:38] <gnomefreak> poningru: its still a ways off there are alot of things holding it back
[22:52:50] <pochu> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/roadmap.html
[22:52:51] <poningru> gnomefreak: but iirc goal is 2nd quarter 07
[22:53:08] <pochu> First Quarter 2007 Final Release
[22:53:08] <asac> that would be too late
[22:53:18] <pochu> first quarter
[22:53:23] <poningru> ah nm
[22:53:35] <asac> all we can do is be as good prepared as possible to push thunderbird 2 fast in case it gets released in time
[22:53:45] <gnomefreak> asac: have you decided to open a repo for our packages?
[22:53:52] <pochu> I've added this item because, in case final isn't at time, we could get rc, as we did with firefox
[22:54:24] <poningru> asac, gnomefreak I still think we should include the rc
[22:54:24] <asac> we'll have to see ... take a look at still open blocker bugs et al.
[22:54:28] <gnomefreak> pochu: but edgy was a throw anything you can in it before run out of time
[22:54:35] <poningru> it is stable enough to be used
[22:54:38] <pochu> and as soon as final in out, include it
[22:54:45] <gnomefreak> asac: i was gonna show them that link but i dont hav eit
[22:55:02] <poningru> oh hold on
[22:55:06] <poningru> re: blocker bugs
[22:56:14] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords_type=nowords&keywords=fixed1.8.1+verified1.8.1+fixed1.8.1.1+verified1.8.1.1+fixed1.8.1.2+verified1.8.1.2&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=blocking-thunderbird2%2B&order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id
[22:56:15] <gnomefreak> asac: feature freeze is over with anyway. and since its in main its not gonna be fun to try and push through
[22:56:35] <asac> gnomefreak: agree ...its not standard procedure to ship rc releases in main
[22:56:44] <gnomefreak> correct
[22:56:51] <poningru> hmm
[22:57:07] <gnomefreak> if you set up a repo they can get the buids we will have for them that thats a differnet story
[22:57:09] <asac> i will ask release team about what they think?
[22:57:30] <pochu> I said it because edgy... :D
[22:57:44] * gnomefreak will end up with builds of them anyway :)
[22:57:56] <gnomefreak> pochu: edgy was a different story it wasnt gonna be stable
[22:58:13] <gnomefreak> it was but that fell though due to time restraints
[22:58:27] <pochu> gnomefreak: ok, then it's clarify :)
[22:58:42] <asac> ACTION: I will ask release team
[22:58:44] <pochu> and would be possible to include it if it's late?
[22:58:49] <poningru> ok I guess I see that
[22:59:06] <asac> will ask about requirements
[22:59:19] <gnomefreak> ok lets move on we will hold this for asac to dicuss it with release team
[22:59:44] <pochu> ok :)
[22:59:50] <poningru> true
[22:59:52] <asac> yeah ... but don't be too optimistic ... I would say no will be the answer :/

[23:00:00] <gnomefreak> [topic] Weekly builds for browser and mail
[23:00:16] * gnomefreak could have told you that before you go infront of them main is strict
[23:00:22] <poningru> hehe
[23:00:32] <poningru> ok so in the mozillazine forums every day
[23:00:34] <gnomefreak> poningru: we can have them but not in feisty repos
[23:00:47] <poningru> gnomefreak: ofcourse
[23:00:54] <gnomefreak> poningru: im working on tb 2.0 and firefox 3.0
[23:00:55] <pochu> weekly builds from the trunk code?
[23:01:00] <poningru> pochu: yes
[23:01:28] <asac> i work on a solution to setup a previe archive. we could release from there, but we would need to coordinate builds for different architectures
[23:01:53] <poningru> gnomefreak: I was thinking about for our own repo and on a testing team for the forum
[23:01:55] <asac> however, we cannot release with official branding
[23:02:00] <gnomefreak> asac: ok i only have dgy and feisty arch 386 :(
[23:02:05] <poningru> asac: ofcourse
[23:02:14] <gnomefreak> edgy*
[23:02:14] <crimsun> right, I was just going to inquire about upstream's blessing those weeklies
[23:02:35] <poningru> asac: even upstreams daily trunk stuff does not include their branding
[23:02:43] <asac> but lets try to push this to the time after release of feisty for now.
[23:02:50] <asac> poningru: yes ... just wanted to note that
[23:03:15] <gnomefreak> asac: agreed i will still work on them if i get time but i wont focus on them
[23:03:39] <asac> if anyone wants to do it, feel free ... However, i think its not the best task to start with on packaging.
[23:03:56] <gnomefreak> oh bleh its fun :(
[23:03:57] <poningru> so we need to have it on all the archs and supported versions?
[23:04:09] <gnomefreak> poningru: best idea
[23:04:17] <asac> no ... only those that we receive requests for
[23:04:30] <poningru> asac: I was thinking this primarily for getting more people involved for testing
[23:04:37] <gnomefreak> 64 and 386 for now i would think
[23:04:42] <poningru> as in we post on the forums 'this weeks build is up'
[23:05:02] <asac> poningru: yeah ... if there is someone who has other archs we can organise it once preview archive is setup
[23:05:59] <poningru> yeah
[23:06:03] <asac> ok, move on?
[23:06:08] <gnomefreak> to what?
[23:06:15] <asac> Adding [WWW] Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories. ?
[23:06:22] <poningru> so... if someone wants to do this just do it?
[23:06:37] <asac> yes ... otherwise, I will do it in time after feisty
[23:06:38] <gnomefreak> [topic] Adding [WWW] Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories.
[23:06:45] <poningru> or wait for the repos to come up?
[23:06:47] <poningru> oh ok
[23:06:52] <gnomefreak> poningru: work on ff
[23:06:55] <asac> anyone can say something about the quality of that theme?
[23:07:09] <poningru> link to the theme?
[23:07:13] * gnomefreak doesnt use ubuntu themes i hate thte orange
[23:07:17] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HumanThunderbird
[23:07:19] * poningru too
[23:07:24] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HumanThunderbird
[23:07:38] <asac> i think its a good idea to do that.
[23:08:01] <gnomefreak> was it wanting to be built into tb?
[23:08:04] <asac> however we have to figure out if this is of good quality and if there is an active upstream for it
[23:08:19] <asac> so in case we need new icons, there is actually someone we can bug
[23:08:48] <poningru> its not that hard to maintain a theme for tbird/firefox
[23:08:59] <asac> can you paint icons?
[23:09:00] <gnomefreak> i see that as something to look into but again wont happen for feisty (atleast i wouldnt think so)
[23:09:09] <poningru> asac: yes
[23:09:17] <asac> ok ... gtk
[23:09:25] <poningru> blargh?
[23:09:36] <asac> ok ... lets include theme in feisty+1 and if we receive good feedback, maybe make it default theme
[23:09:49] <gnomefreak> i like
[23:09:49] <poningru> yeah sounds good
[23:10:24] <gnomefreak> can we take a breif break maybe 3-5 minutes
[23:10:33] <asac> hmmm ... but then lets hurry
[23:10:38] <asac> getting really late here ;)
[23:10:39] <poningru> ... dont you dare say its for a smoke
[23:10:42] <gnomefreak> and if you have davids number get to calling him
[23:10:49] <gnomefreak> ok than lets go

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[23:11:09] <gnomefreak> [topic] The necessity of packaging extensions.
[23:11:13] <gnomefreak> dfarning: just in time
[23:11:21] <dfarning> hey all
[23:11:25] <asac> hi
[23:11:25] <gnomefreak> :)
[23:11:46] <dfarning> my topic is there really need to repackage extensions?
[23:11:59] <asac> general rule imo:
[23:12:16] <asac> extensions with native components (e.g. included shared libs) are always worth consideration inclusion
[23:12:20] <gnomefreak> i would like to get a few in if at all possible but upstream for extentions sucks
[23:12:25] <asac> other extensions not as they are available for all
[23:12:39] <pochu> hi dfarning :)
[23:12:44] <asac> exception: in case its highly ubuntu specific, consider to include (e.g. launchpad extension)
[23:12:53] <dfarning> which ones have shared libs
[23:12:59] <asac> enigmail ... colorzilla
[23:13:07] <asac> actually thats why we see the crash in colorzilla
[23:13:08] <gnomefreak> asac: only one i found like that is the ubuntu forums menu but its eh
[23:13:18] <dfarning> ah ok
[23:13:26] <asac> there should be not that many extensions ... but there are some
[23:13:33] * gnomefreak cant live without enigmail
[23:13:39] <poningru> gnomefreak++
[23:13:42] * poningru either
[23:13:57] <dfarning> should we look at them on a case by case basis reject unnecessary packages
[23:14:06] <asac> yes.
[23:14:10] <poningru> but why?
[23:14:13] <gnomefreak> dfarning: asac how about we work together to come up with a list and see what happens (if we can include them at all)
[23:14:27] <dfarning> that is my thought also
[23:14:30] <asac> lets deal with them as soon as there is a request for inclusion.
[23:14:48] <poningru> hmm true that
[23:14:56] <gnomefreak> there are 2 that im aware of with request one formal one informal
[23:15:01] <poningru> dfarning: are you talking about removing certain packaged extensions?
[23:15:35] <dfarning> we should look into only packaging the package that we need and grab the others from upstream
[23:15:45] <pochu> gnomefreak: enigmail+1
[23:16:06] <AlexLatchford> Howdy
[23:16:06] <dfarning> ill set up a wiki and we can work through them
[23:16:13] <pochu> hi AlexLatchford!
[23:16:14] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[23:16:16] <gnomefreak> hi AlexLatchford
[23:16:21] <gnomefreak> can we move on?
[23:16:27] <dfarning> yes
[23:16:31] <AlexLatchford> what we up to?

[23:16:34] <gnomefreak> [topic] Mozilla Council start-up.
[23:16:38] <AlexLatchford> aha good
[23:16:40] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: all over the place
[23:16:45] <AlexLatchford> cool cool
[23:16:51] <gnomefreak> we already got one of yorus
[23:16:58] <AlexLatchford> thats cool
[23:17:29] <dfarning> I have been interacting quite a bit with both up and down stream organization
[23:17:54] <asac> dfarning: is that on-topic " Mozilla Council start-up" ?
[23:17:57] <sladen> hello people, re: the ColorZilla binary issue, there's a thread on the ubuntu-uk and I contacted the upstream author
[23:17:58] <gnomefreak> dfarning: you thoughts on the council?
[23:18:12] <dfarning> would like a formal method of helping make some of the decisions
[23:18:13] <asac> sladen: i am already in contact with auther
[23:18:19] <asac> please lets do not duplicate work
[23:18:37] <asac> he will probably release as free-software so we can package it up
[23:18:44] <asac> but lets see what his final decision is
[23:18:45] <AlexLatchford> can we please stay on topic :)
[23:18:49] <asac> k
[23:19:29] <dfarning> i would like to be able to present ideas that other organization have to the conuncial for vote
[23:19:33] <gnomefreak> dfarning: we can set that up fairly easy. can you outline what the councils positions will be (as in what we do) final member process so on
[23:19:46] <sladen> asac: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-February/003185.html
[23:19:52] <dfarning> yes will base it on cc
[23:20:16] <poningru> wont we have to run this by them first?
[23:20:24] <poningru> cc/tech board
[23:20:33] <dfarning> I'll bring it up
[23:20:33] <AlexLatchford> I don't think so
[23:20:39] <asac> i think we have to
[23:21:00] <gnomefreak> dfarning: if you or someone else or both can outline this on a wiki as in what council would do what process for memebers should be so on?
[23:21:16] <dfarning> yes, by next meeting;)
[23:21:28] <gnomefreak> k :) sorry me sucks at wikis
[23:21:45] <AlexLatchford> dfarning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Council
[23:21:47] <AlexLatchford> :)
[23:21:59] <dfarning> I will do it will seek jonos advice
[23:22:16] <gnomefreak> ok sounds good to me
[23:22:21] <gnomefreak> move on?
[23:22:26] <dfarning> next

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[23:22:30] <gnomefreak> [topic] What has been done and what needs to be done from last meeting.
[23:22:48] <gnomefreak> basicly what hasnt been done from last meeting anything that really needs to be?
[23:23:17] <dfarning> for me me the biggest blocker apport so you guys can have good crash reports
[23:23:35] <dfarning> good progress this weekend
[23:23:36] <asac> dfarning: state on that? you talked to martin?
[23:23:52] <dfarning> yes a got a mail back from him
[23:23:56] <gnomefreak> yay
[23:24:33] <AlexLatchford> I have been working on the wiki more, defining a structure and annoying guidelines to follow, also worked on a few pages.
[23:24:38] <dfarning> I'll email you all the detail. cause i can't type fast enough
[23:24:41] <gnomefreak> dfarning: is it in progress atleast?"
[23:24:49] <dfarning> very good progress
[23:24:54] <gnomefreak> good
[23:24:55] <asac> ok, so dfarning will email details on apport
[23:24:57] <asac> next?
[23:25:31] <gnomefreak> that and bughelper
[23:25:33] <dfarning> does alex need help on the wiki it is starting to take shape
[23:25:49] <AlexLatchford> Well as I have written the guidelines now, people can jump in
[23:25:49] <gnomefreak> are the only 2 things that are biggest concern outside of wikis IMHO
[23:25:50] <asac> i add content when i have to time to :)
[23:25:59] <asac> feel free to reorganize like you wish
[23:26:00] <dfarning> I am considering bh block by apport for now
[23:26:12] <gnomefreak> ok thats fine
[23:26:17] <dfarning> gnomefreak, what are they?
[23:26:22] <AlexLatchford> I think the biggest problem we have is TB-dbg package for Edgy and below
[23:26:43] <dfarning> i'll hit on that in the apport email;)
[23:26:57] <asac> ok ... we'll know more later
[23:27:03] <asac> lets move ;)
[23:27:04] <gnomefreak> ok that is fine for now
[23:27:09] <gnomefreak> asac: your up
[23:27:12] <AlexLatchford> I mean we have 100 reports for edgy and below in TB we can do nothing about

[23:27:15] <gnomefreak> [topic] bug tags and workflow
[23:27:19] <gnomefreak> so you can go :)
[23:27:35] <asac> actually i updated the wiki page for bug states ... it should be rather complete for needs info and confirm now.
[23:28:06] <asac> maybe we should try how it works ... and then discuss at next meeting?
[23:28:12] <asac> feel free to ask if you have questions
[23:28:14] <poningru> hmm
[23:28:15] <gnomefreak> ok we can push it
[23:28:22] <asac> anyway, I would like some action on improving the blueprints
[23:28:28] <asac> (last point in the list)
[23:28:30] <AlexLatchford> I personally haven't had the time to read the page yet
[23:28:43] <asac> AlexLatchford: yes ... so lets wait a week to get feedback
[23:28:51] <gnomefreak> i read through it but it was differnet than what was on the tags page
[23:29:15] <gnomefreak> but i havent looked at since since you updated it
[23:29:47] <dfarning> bug state look like they are comin along nicely
[23:30:01] <dfarning> are they stable to add the state names to bh
[23:30:05] <asac> i updated tag page
[23:30:07] <asac> a bit already
[23:30:08] <gnomefreak> asac: what do you mean improving blueprint (when to use where to use each tag?)
[23:30:20] <asac> no ... bulk responses
[23:30:21] <asac> like
[23:30:30] <asac> please list what extensions installed, which plugins, etc.
[23:30:53] <dfarning> soon apport will take care of those question for us;)
[23:30:59] <AlexLatchford> in /bugs/Triage/Responses
[23:31:00] <gnomefreak> ok i agree we need to do some work with that including getting rid of the 3 that are exact same reponce
[23:31:00] <asac> those text can be improved. e.g. by run -safe-mode and if the problem goes away, try to figure out what extension is missing
[23:31:07] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: yes
[23:31:22] <asac> eah ... what extension breaks :)
[23:31:26] <AlexLatchford> asac: this is on my todo list
[23:31:33] <gnomefreak> cool
[23:31:41] <asac> if you need input on them just ask :)
[23:31:49] <asac> AlexLatchford: ^^
[23:31:52] <AlexLatchford> I will try to get to it by the next meeting, please feel free to submit some on the mailing list
[23:32:00] <dfarning> I is would be helpful if you could like the most impost questions
[23:32:32] <dfarning> s/like/list
[23:32:34] <AlexLatchford> I would actually appreciate it if a topic in the mailing list was started with responses, ill start one up later
[23:32:34] <asac> ok ... agree i think i will update wiki bits as good as i can :)
[23:32:47] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: sounds good to me
[23:32:53] <gnomefreak> moving on?
[23:32:55] <asac> ok
[23:32:57] <dfarning> yes

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[23:33:14] <gnomefreak> [topic] Taking over the [WWW] Thunderbird package from Mark Shuttleworth.
[23:33:30] <gnomefreak> i think that is not nessicerary the more i look at the page
[23:33:42] <asac> agree
[23:33:51] <AlexLatchford> well I saw the page for firefox, which we have control over
[23:33:52] <gnomefreak> its not really saying anything that concerns us directly
[23:34:21] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: if i see mark online ill ping him about it if i remember?
[23:34:23] <AlexLatchford> I am not sure exactly what owning the package does, but it would be useful maybe for asac and/or gnomefreak for releases maybe
[23:34:48] <AlexLatchford> Well I am unsure of exactly what owning the package gives you the benefit of
[23:34:53] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: that isnt at our level i dont think
[23:35:01] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: nothing
[23:35:04] <AlexLatchford> I would like to see Mozilla Bugs as the Bug Contact at least
[23:35:14] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: mark own ubuntu so he kind of own all packages
[23:35:22] <AlexLatchford> cool
[23:35:35] <dfarning> I'll work on getting the bugs assigned
[23:35:46] <AlexLatchford> yeah, this needs to be done
[23:35:51] <gnomefreak> cool
[23:35:54] <AlexLatchford> I got another 200 emails again
[23:35:59] <gnomefreak> 338
[23:36:01] <gnomefreak> :(
[23:36:02] <asac> dfarning: what do you mean by getting bugs assigned?
[23:36:12] <asac> ah sorry :)
[23:36:16] <asac> missed the topic switch
[23:36:19] <dfarning> IT is a pita becuase all of the lp folks are working on the lp beta'(
[23:36:20] <AlexLatchford> changing them from being assigned to Mozilla Team to the Mozilla Bugs
[23:36:27] <dfarning> yes
[23:36:38] <dfarning> and assign tb bugs to -bugs
[23:36:51] <AlexLatchford> so it doesnt email bug changes out to all the Mozilla Team members
[23:36:52] <asac> AlexLatchford: can't you setup a mail filter?
[23:37:03] <asac> and as soon as lp members have some time
[23:37:07] <asac> they can run an update?
[23:37:08] <AlexLatchford> mail filter?
[23:37:12] <asac> yes
[23:37:13] <dfarning> AlexLatchford, right
[23:37:28] <asac> you can filter X-Launchpad-Bug: header
[23:37:34] <asac> should be easy to setup
[23:37:35] <asac> e.g.
[23:37:39] <dfarning> lp team is overall being very help. I don't want to push them
[23:37:40] <AlexLatchford> oh right okay, that would be a temporary fix
[23:37:46] <asac> X-Launchpad-Bug: distribution=ubuntu; sourcepackage=firefox; component=main;
[23:37:49] <asac> status=Needs Info; importance=Wishlist; assignee=mozillateam;
[23:38:00] <asac> you can filter what you want out of this
[23:38:10] <asac> e.g. sort by package, by status, by importance, by assignee
[23:38:12] <AlexLatchford> well it doesn;t bother me too much
[23:38:22] <AlexLatchford> but I would prefer it to be fixed, I will try the filter for now though
[23:38:41] <gnomefreak> ok move on. we have 2 more topics to go than asac can get moving ;)
[23:38:52] <dfarning> next

[23:38:54] <gnomefreak> [topic] Faster response time for security update
[23:39:25] <poningru> ok so
[23:39:28] <asac> i try my best and work with martin get things up in time. i am member of mozilla security group so i usually get notification in time
[23:39:30] <gnomefreak> this im sure will be worked out but we are a new team and trying to do alot of things
[23:39:56] <poningru> it seems that ubuntu packages are only updated once the firefox security point release actually comes out
[23:40:09] <dfarning> I think kees was just overworked
[23:40:09] <asac> poningru: yes ... thats common procedure
[23:40:16] <dfarning> should improve now:)
[23:40:18] <poningru> what we can probably do is package the rc spins and test that ourselves
[23:40:42] <asac> running rc preview packages is good to detect any QA problems up-front
[23:40:48] * gnomefreak will brb shouldnt be long
[23:40:49] <asac> so this is a good thing to have.
[23:41:07] <asac> at best some member of our team can do this on a regular basis?
[23:41:17] <poningru> yeah I would love to do this
[23:41:28] <poningru> as soon as I can figure out packaging well enough
[23:41:45] <poningru> still figuring out all the ins and outs
[23:41:55] <asac> i explained a bit to gnomefreak already ... should be in irc logs already ;)
[23:42:21] <poningru> hehe
[23:42:23] <dfarning> I log were very good I package fx last week bases on them
[23:42:25] <asac> i can assist you ... if you promise to carry know how to other members as well ... at best setting up some introduction pages in wiki too.
[23:42:49] <asac> :)
[23:42:54] <dfarning> I would like to set up some semi formal session on packaging so we are not always bugging asac
[23:43:03] <asac> yes ... thats good
[23:43:07] <asac> we can arrange some time :)
[23:43:14] <dfarning> he need tim to work on the technical stuff
[23:43:23] <poningru> tim?
[23:43:26] <dfarning> time
[23:43:30] <gnomefreak> time
[23:43:37] <poningru> oh
[23:43:44] <poningru> lol
[23:43:54] <poningru> I was thinking s/he/we
[23:44:00] * gnomefreak working on what i see as hard packaging with tb a ff betas
[23:44:25] <gnomefreak> i wasnt here is that done?
[23:44:34] <gnomefreak> we have one more i wouold like asac output on
[23:44:37] <dfarning> we will set up semi formal learning time slots to better ulitize our expert resources
[23:44:41] <dfarning> next
[23:44:49] <asac> :) well phrased :)

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[23:45:03] <gnomefreak> [topic] renaming packages
[23:45:18] <gnomefreak> ok renaming mozilla-thunderbird to thunderbird
[23:45:26] <asac> ah ... ok renaming packages is always a pita ... and hardly worth the efford.
[23:45:35] <asac> i see that its inconsitent atm
[23:45:37] <gnomefreak> and mozilla-firefox to just firefox
[23:45:42] <asac> but would like to defer that to post feisty
[23:45:46] <poningru> whats the reason?
[23:45:54] <gnomefreak> although i think we dropped mozilla-firefox transitinal package
[23:46:15] <asac> the reason firefox was renamed is that debian renamed both, but nobody was here to do the proper thunderbird transition
[23:46:15] <AlexLatchford> So if you are going to follow with Thunderbird it will be in Feisty+1
[23:46:20] <AlexLatchford> ?
[23:46:28] <AlexLatchford> s/you/we/
[23:46:30] <asac> thats why we are at the current state
[23:46:30] <gnomefreak> most liekly
[23:46:31] <AlexLatchford> ish
[23:46:36] <dfarning> there is not consistant name because of renaming that occured before the branking agreement
[23:46:38] <poningru> ah ic
[23:46:39] <gnomefreak> likely
[23:46:59] <asac> we currently work with mozilla to clarify if they want mozilla- prefix or not
[23:47:00] <AlexLatchford> hmm okay, just seems like at the moment there are a load of naming inconsistencies, flash also being a major problem
[23:47:07] <gnomefreak> asac: dfarning is this something to look forward to for feisty+1?
[23:47:17] <dfarning> defer to feisty+1
[23:47:29] <AlexLatchford> sounds good to me
[23:47:34] <dfarning> bug catchup more important for now
[23:47:39] <AlexLatchford> agreed
[23:47:49] <asac> probably when upgrading to 2.0 we can change name
[23:47:59] <AlexLatchford> seems sensible
[23:48:16] <asac> for now it matters that we build tbird with official branding.
[23:48:20] <gnomefreak> Faster response time for security update is the bug that i brought that up about
[23:48:31] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm
[23:48:33] <poningru> quick offtopic: is anyone building ff 2.0.0.2 r4?
[23:48:38] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/70937
[23:48:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70937 in mozilla-thunderbird "Package "mozilla-thunderbird" should be renamed to "thunderbird"" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[23:48:45] <gnomefreak> poningru: i have it on to do list
[23:48:52] <poningru> gnomefreak: I wanna help
[23:49:31] <asac> ok ... is that it?

[23:49:34] <gnomefreak> [topic] Any other matters that we missed or needs to be discussed?
[23:49:51] <AlexLatchford> none from me
[23:50:06] <dfarning> i am satisified
[23:50:08] <gnomefreak> asac: go go go :)
[23:50:12] <gnomefreak> #endmeeting

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