16:02 MootBot Meeting started at 17:02. The chair is heno. 16:02 MootBot Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] 16:02 heno agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings 16:02 heno sorry for the late announcement! 16:02 pedro_ i'm loving the meeting schedule posted at the wiki page 16:02 pedro_ thanks for it ;-) 16:03 heno yeah, I thought that might be useful :) 16:03 heno (for when I make agendas very late ;-D ) 16:03 Iulian Actually it is ;) 16:04 heno [TOPIC] QA-Website frontpage (nand and stgraber) 16:04 MootBot New Topic: QA-Website frontpage (nand and stgraber) * heno still needs to reply to some of nand's emails about brainstorm 16:05 stgraber that's something we have been discussing a bit with nand, qa.ubuntu.com looks really empty and useless as it's now and we thought we would really need to improve it 16:05 nand yep! 16:05 heno nand: I've not forgotten, it's just queed up ... 16:05 nand heno: I guessed so 16:05 stgraber so first thing, as this page will be linked from the QA bar you have at the top of all our websites, we'll need a name for it 16:06 stgraber this page will act as a summary of all the other QA related websites (ISO tracker, Brainstorm, QA Blog, links to Hug days, ...) 16:06 heno 'Home' ? 16:06 heno does drupal have a blog plugin, btw? 16:06 stgraber the problem I see with 'Home' is that people will expect to be brought back to the main page of the website they currently are on 16:07 stgraber heno: yes, we are testing it on http://qablog.stgraber.org 16:07 heno ooo, pretty 16:07 nand Ideally there should be some feedback on Ubuntu dev on this blog 16:07 liw oops, I forgot to /join the right channel 16:08 heno nand: agreed 16:08 nand to give some update to a good portion of users whose only portal to Ubuntu is brainstorm 16:08 heno 'QA Home'? 16:08 liw (if someone wants to paste me the backlog for this meeting, I'd be happy to catch up) 16:08 stgraber liw: http://paste.stgraber.org/1989 16:08 liw thanks 16:09 pedro_ I've already flood him by privmsg hehe 16:09 stgraber 'QA Home' sounds better 16:09 liw I have three copies of the backlog now, thanks everyone 16:10 stgraber any other idea ? 16:10 heno we should also consider setting up reports.qa.u.c or similar for bug lists, weather report, etc 16:10 stgraber heno: that's my idea with qa.ubuntu.com 16:10 stgraber let me copy/paste the planned content 16:10 stgraber - Summary tab (developer weather report, news from the blog, top-10 from Brainstorm, links to different tracker (iso, mozilla, ...)) 16:10 stgraber - Testing tracker tab (status for ongoing testing, summary of user's subscriptions) 16:10 stgraber - Brainstorm tab (user's favourite ideas, top-10 most recent ideas, top-10 from frontpage) 16:10 stgraber - Resource tab (links to Wiki, LP, Hug days, Ubuntuwire, ...) 16:10 heno ogasawara: could the weather report live on reports.qa.u.c/releasestatus ? or so 16:11 ogasawara heno: I believe so - I actually have it at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/weatherreport.html currently 16:11 stgraber the default tab being the Summary which would have some kind of block base UI showing content from the various QA resources 16:11 heno ogasawara: yeah, thanks for getting that back up! 16:13 stgraber any other idea of what we should show on qa.ubuntu.com ? 16:13 nand Ideally too, it should be noob-proof 16:13 davmor2 nand: :) 16:14 nand meaning, a new user could actually learn things here about the processes 16:14 nand and how to get involed 16:14 nand ;) 16:14 nand I see that page as a portal for noob to enter and discover Ubuntu dev 16:14 stgraber we don't want our users to be sent to the ISO Tracker with no idea of what it's and how to use it, so we should disply the appropriate wiki link in the various tabs 16:15 heno sort of a 'How can you help? layout 16:15 davmor2 pictures pictures everywhere. It's easier to understand something when you can see it. 16:15 nand davmor2: exactly 16:15 nand You all remember I guess when you started contributing: The hardest part is to actually start 16:16 heno least complex at the top: filing bugs, running unstable milestones, triage, structured testing 16:16 heno getting increasing complicated 16:16 nand And it would be good to take this opportunity (high popularity of brainstorm) to recruit new contributors! 16:16 davmor2 Wiki updates will be on going adding images where appropriate and hopefully simplifying where possible it's all in hand honest 16:16 nand boss around :) 16:17 heno shall we just do some layour mock-ups on a wiki page? 16:17 stgraber good idea 16:18 stgraber would be great to have different views of how this website will look like so we can discuss it a bit more at Prague 16:18 davmor2 heno: yes it'll be best then vote on it next meeting 16:18 stgraber (assuming you guys will be at FOSSCamp) 16:18 heno https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/MainSiteHomePageScratch say 16:18 davmor2 stgraber: :( * heno will be there * nand too 16:20 davmor2 heno: page sounds good :) 16:20 heno sounds like a plan 16:20 heno [TOPIC] RC and final testing preparations 16:20 MootBot New Topic: RC and final testing preparations 16:21 heno our team efforts on final release testing could do with some more structure 16:21 heno -- an action item for me basically 16:22 heno Several people have already stepped up to take ownership of various parts of it 16:22 heno Thanks! 16:22 heno davmor2: will be responsible for Windows-based testing 16:23 heno liw will run a series of upgrade tests and netboot 16:24 heno pedro_ will keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/FixValidation updated and track that 16:25 heno I may still ping other team members and ask for help on bits of this 16:25 stgraber I'll do LTSP and some other weird Alternate testing (manual + double encrypted LVM that sort of things) * dtrask-away is away: I'm back! * dtrask-away is back. === dtrask-away is now known as dtrask 16:25 heno I should write an overview of who'se doing what 16:25 heno stgraber: excellent, thanks 16:25 davmor2 I'll move on to *buntu's once I get the windows stuff out the road. 16:26 ogasawara heno: that would be good. then we can sign up for responsibilities that aren't yet assigned 16:26 heno yep 16:26 stgraber heno: hmm, we should have that overview with user's subscription if they update them accordingly 16:26 davmor2 heno: with the RC are we going for full coverage at least once? 16:26 heno ogasawara: I'll ask for some of your tracking page expertise as well :) 16:27 heno davmor2: ideally more than single coverage 16:27 heno stgraber: I mean a bit more general tasks 16:28 davmor2 I did say at least once :) 16:28 heno thinks like keeping track of the fix verification isn't a test case 16:28 davmor2 stgraber: I updated mine as much as possible 16:28 stgraber heno: right 16:29 heno davmor2: indeed, you're right -- more than one tester and likely more than one iteration too 16:29 heno I've been wondering if we should remove the updates cases from the tracker 16:30 davmor2 heno: what would also be useful would be a way to identify the least tested product so when general jobs are done the least tested can be nailed 16:30 heno they way liw and mvo tests updates doesn't really fit with that 16:30 heno thoughts? 16:30 liw hmm 16:31 heno also, davmor2 had requested feedback on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Backing_Up 16:31 liw I like the approach of having a list of tasks to be performed and being to click "pass" or "fail" for each 16:31 liw even for upgrade testing 16:31 heno ref http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/upgrade/all 16:32 heno liw does that fit the tests you plan to do? 16:32 heno or should the cases be adjusted? 16:32 stgraber I'm not sure if that was mvo or something else but someone asked for "Upgrade (cd-rom)" to be added to the Upgrade testcases 16:32 stgraber so we'll have : Upgrade (internet) and Upgrade (cd-rom) instead of a single Upgrade testcase 16:32 heno yep and we need Dapper->Hardy cases too 16:33 liw heno, I think it's fine, at least currently; I assume that if I come up with improvements, they'll be easy to do 16:33 heno (ok, so forget my first suggestion; let's look at ways of modifying the cases) 16:34 stgraber so we currently have upgrade for : edubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntu server and xubuntu 16:34 stgraber any other to add ? 16:34 heno liw: there are no dapper upgrade tests listed for example 16:34 heno do we still want Edubuntu as a separate case? 16:34 liw heno, yeah, that's true; I'll make a list of all the scenarios I want to test, and make checklists for how to test each one 16:35 heno liw: thanks 16:35 stgraber heno: it's : current edubuntu -> ubuntu edu add-on 16:35 stgraber heno: so we'll drop edubuntu with Intrepid 16:35 liw heno, and offer them up for discussion on #ubuntu-testing (putting/keeping them on the wiki, obviously) 16:35 heno ok, cool 16:36 heno FYI: liw is setting up some massively package-overloaded install images to run upgrade from 16:36 heno so it's more than just install+upgrade 16:37 heno most packages and flavours are covered in a single upgrade test really 16:38 stgraber my initial plan was to update the testcases for RC tonight as I'll be away next week. With the problems I had with my Dapper VM I'll likely do the sync only tomorrow evening 16:38 stgraber so please tell me what you want changed by then 16:38 liw stgraber, ack 16:38 heno stgraber: great, thanks. We'll do that 16:39 davmor2 I'll probably poach the screenshots from here http://www.partimage.org/Screenshots rather than create new ones for the backup page 16:39 heno so I'll take the action of setting up an overview page, and we'll take it from there 16:40 heno [TOPIC] Beta bugs impact 16:40 MootBot New Topic: Beta bugs impact 16:40 heno I just wanted to hear what the impact of the release has been. Doesn't look too bad AFAICS 16:40 heno pedro_, ogasawara? 16:40 pedro_ yep it's looking good on the desktop side 16:41 pedro_ we indeed have more bugs which is good 16:41 ogasawara same here, haven't noticed anything major 16:41 pedro_ but there's nothing we don't know already and the other ones are low impact (features, etc) 16:41 heno pedro_: :) 16:41 davmor2 goodo :) 16:41 pedro_ so yeah everything looking pretty good 16:42 heno excellent! 16:42 heno and as usual, we had a bug day yesterday, and will have one tomorrow! 16:42 heno any other items? 16:42 pedro_ yes sr! based on GDM and GNOME Screensaver so be there ;-) 16:43 pedro_ not from me 16:43 heno and KDM as well I guess 16:43 heno 3 16:43 heno 2 16:43 heno 1 16:43 heno #endmeeting 16:43 MootBot Meeting finished at 17:44.