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== Log ==
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(05:01:07 PM) mathiaz: Let's get started for this week meeting
(05:01:09 PM) mathiaz: #startmeeting
(05:01:10 PM) ivoks left the room (quit: Client Quit).
(05:01:14 PM) MootBot: Meeting started at 21:01. The chair is mathiaz.
(05:01:14 PM) MootBot: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
(05:01:15 PM) sommer: nealmcb: cool
(05:01:22 PM) dendrobates: o/
(05:01:43 PM) mathiaz: Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
(05:01:51 PM) ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] entered the room.
(05:02:15 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
(05:02:16 PM) MootBot: New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
(05:02:30 PM) mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080305
(05:03:02 PM) mathiaz: So I've sent an email about the ServerTestingTeam
(05:03:14 PM) mathiaz: And I've noticed that some new pages were created in the wiki
(05:03:42 PM) mathiaz: Again - anyone that has some server hardware available is welcome to test drive hardy.
(05:04:09 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] Server survey
(05:04:09 PM) MootBot: New Topic: Server survey
(05:04:25 PM) mathiaz: The reportingpage has been updated
(05:04:41 PM) mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReportingPage
(05:04:49 PM) ***soren blushes as he realises he hasn't sent anything for that page :(
(05:05:14 PM) mathiaz: nijaba: any news on the hosting front ?
(05:05:32 PM) owh: soren: You could have updated it and blamed it on "caching" :)
(05:05:36 PM) nijaba: we are waiting for an audit from kees
(05:05:45 PM) nijaba: it should be done soon
(05:06:10 PM) soren: owh: Encouraging dishonesty? Tsk, tsk :)
(05:06:23 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] iSCSI support
(05:06:24 PM) MootBot: New Topic: iSCSI support
(05:06:41 PM) soren: I talked to Rick.
(05:06:43 PM) mathiaz: soren: did you have a change to talk with steve about root fs support ?
(05:06:49 PM) soren: We decided we wanted to do it.
(05:06:53 PM) ***keescook ran out of time last friday.
(05:07:00 PM) soren: I e-mailed slangasek asking if it was ok. I haven't heard back.
(05:07:03 PM) nijaba: \o/
(05:07:05 PM) faulkes-: evening
(05:07:23 PM) soren: This was Friday, I believe. I should poke him some more.
(05:07:36 PM) mathiaz: soren: that would be post-beta work I guess
(05:07:38 PM) never|mobi is now known as neversfelde|mobi
(05:08:25 PM) mathiaz: [ACTION] soren to talk with slangasek about iSCSI support for root fs.
(05:08:26 PM) MootBot: ACTION received: soren to talk with slangasek about iSCSI support for root fs.
(05:09:13 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] Bacula status
(05:09:13 PM) MootBot: New Topic: Bacula status
(05:09:19 PM) ivoks: hi
(05:09:23 PM) mathiaz: ivoks: what's the state of your work on that ?
(05:09:40 PM) ivoks: it needs one day of work
(05:10:04 PM) ivoks: tomorrow it will be ready for inspection
(05:10:50 PM) mathiaz: ivoks: great
(05:10:59 PM) mathiaz: who can do the inspection ?
(05:11:00 PM) ivoks: if someone want to see debdiff, http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/bacula.diff
(05:11:04 PM) nijaba: beta freeze starts tomorrow
(05:11:16 PM) sommer: so is bacula going to make it into main?
(05:11:30 PM) mathiaz: probably not before beta
(05:11:39 PM) ivoks: ok, then it will be finished in couple of hours
(05:11:48 PM) nijaba: we have yet to file a mir, though...
(05:11:52 PM) sommer: for hardy release?
(05:12:24 PM) ivoks: debdiff is already over 1000 lines
(05:12:40 PM) ***zul cries
(05:12:42 PM) sommer: either way I was just wondering if we should add a section to the docs or not?
(05:12:59 PM) ivoks: zul: it's not that bad :)
(05:13:23 PM) mathiaz: considering that we're changing a lot of the packaging, we should ask for FFexception
(05:13:50 PM) mathiaz: or should it be considered as just bug fixes ?
(05:14:22 PM) nijaba: these are mainly bug fixes to match requirements, IIRC
(05:14:34 PM) ivoks: there are also new features
(05:14:44 PM) ivoks: like new catalog_backup script
(05:15:13 PM) mathiaz: isn't that a fix for the security issues raised ?
(05:15:35 PM) ivoks: it is
(05:15:53 PM) ivoks: anyway... i'll finish it in couple of hours
(05:16:00 PM) nijaba: so it is a bug fix ;)
(05:16:10 PM) mathiaz: anyway - since the diff seems large, it may worth asking for a FFe to the motu-release team
(05:16:17 PM) mathiaz: zul: can you review the bacula diff ?
(05:16:29 PM) zul: mathiaz: sure..
(05:16:52 PM) mathiaz: zul: and figure out whether a FFe is needed or not
(05:17:06 PM) zul: I can do it tomorrow
(05:17:16 PM) mathiaz: [ACTION] ivoks to post an updated debdiff for bacula
(05:17:16 PM) MootBot: ACTION received: ivoks to post an updated debdiff for bacula
(05:17:25 PM) mathiaz: [ACTION] zul to review the bacula debdiff
(05:17:26 PM) MootBot: ACTION received: zul to review the bacula debdiff
(05:17:38 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] mysql testing
(05:17:38 PM) MootBot: New Topic: mysql testing
(05:17:50 PM) mathiaz: jdstrand: what did you do to mysql ?
(05:18:03 PM) ivoks: zul: i'll be online, so contact me if you have questions
(05:18:06 PM) jdstrand: I have been preparing a security update for mysql
(05:18:15 PM) zul: ivoks: sure thanks
(05:18:16 PM) jdstrand: there are several issues that are addressed
(05:18:44 PM) jdstrand: 2 required a rather substantial patch
(05:19:03 PM) jdstrand: all of this is documented in bug #201009
(05:19:04 PM) ubotu: Launchpad bug 201009 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "[mysql-dfsg-5.0] fix for several open vulnerabilities in -proposed" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201009
(05:19:35 PM) jdstrand: the short summary is that CVE-2007-6303 and CVE-2007-2692 required quite a bit of work to fix dapper - feisty
(05:19:36 PM) ubotu: MySQL 5.0.x before 5.0.51a, 5.1.x before 5.1.23, and 6.0.x before 6.0.4 does not update the DEFINER value of a view when the view is altered, which allows remote authenticated users to gain privileges via a sequence of statements including a CREATE SQL SECURITY DEFINER VIEW statement and an ALTER VIEW statement. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-6303)
(05:19:37 PM) ubotu: The mysql_change_db function in MySQL 5.0.x before 5.0.40 and 5.1.x before 5.1.18 does not restore THD::db_access privileges when returning from SQL SECURITY INVOKER stored routines, which allows remote authenticated users to gain privileges. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2692)
(05:19:58 PM) jdstrand: as such, I have uploaded the packages to -proposed for wider testing
(05:20:15 PM) jdstrand: they have received a good bit of testing already, and they look good here
(05:20:50 PM) jdstrand: I'd really appreciate it if people could test these packages and report 'works here' in that bug report, so I can push the update out next week
(05:21:33 PM) mathiaz: jdstrand: great
(05:21:50 PM) nijaba: jdstrand: there is a version for dapper?
(05:22:03 PM) jdstrand: because gutsy is so close to upstream, its patches weren't significant
(05:22:05 PM) mathiaz: jdstrand: You've already sent a couple emails on different mailing lists
(05:22:13 PM) mathiaz: jdstrand: could you post something to the forums ?
(05:22:19 PM) jdstrand: really looking for dapper (and edgy and feisty if possible)
(05:22:22 PM) mathiaz: jdstrand: or ask faulkes- about it ?
(05:22:24 PM) jdstrand: nijaba: 5.0.22
(05:22:43 PM) jdstrand: is faulkes- around?
(05:22:56 PM) mathiaz: jdstrand: I think there is developer forum that is targeted at that
(05:22:57 PM) jdstrand: mathiaz: but to answer your question-- sure
(05:23:32 PM) mathiaz: jdstrand: altought I'm not sure if the people reading the developer forums would be able to test your updates
(05:23:48 PM) jdstrand: nijaba: oh heh, I read your question to quickly-- yes dapper has updates and I'd really like testing there
(05:24:03 PM) jdstrand: mathiaz: couldn't hurt
(05:24:06 PM) nijaba: ok, I'll test it on my prod server
(05:24:13 PM) mathiaz: jdstrand: could you coordinate with faulkes- about requesting feedback in the forums ?
(05:24:14 PM) nijaba: and blame you if it blows up ;)
(05:24:33 PM) jdstrand: nijaba: yes, you would be within your rights on that
(05:25:09 PM) mathiaz: [ACTION] jdstrand to coordinate with faulkes- about mysql testing in the forums
(05:25:09 PM) MootBot: ACTION received: jdstrand to coordinate with faulkes- about mysql testing in the forums
(05:25:17 PM) ***jdstrand won't mention testing updtes on a production server, as he really wants as much testing as possible
(05:25:26 PM) jdstrand: ;)
(05:26:01 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] LSB compliant init script
(05:26:02 PM) MootBot: New Topic: LSB compliant init script
(05:26:17 PM) mathiaz: kirkland: owh: you've started to look into that
(05:26:25 PM) mathiaz: what is the outcome ?
(05:26:31 PM) owh: We started creating some code to get output.
(05:26:56 PM) kirkland: mathiaz: we have a list of all packages in Main, and Universe that install something in /etc/init.d
(05:26:59 PM) owh: We've created an initial list of the hardy .iso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnnoBenschop/ubuntu-server/init.d-status
(05:27:24 PM) owh: Next step is testing what they output :)
(05:27:36 PM) ScottK2: Is this really a project we ought to be starting a day before beta freeze?
(05:27:39 PM) mathiaz: LSB compliant means a lot of things - what are you trying to fix first ?
(05:28:13 PM) mathiaz: I think trying to get the status action for the daemons makes sense
(05:28:23 PM) kirkland: mathiaz: a "status" action by init scripts is one of the things required for LSB
(05:28:33 PM) kirkland: mathiaz: in most cases, it's a trivial patch
(05:28:40 PM) mathiaz: having a fully compliant init script may require too much work though
(05:28:55 PM) owh: We start small and work our way up.
(05:29:01 PM) mathiaz: kirkland: well - there is also the headers for startup sequence
(05:29:02 PM) kirkland: mathiaz: for services (and mainly those in ubuntu-server), i think it's important enough to have in Hardy, and minor enough code changes
(05:29:10 PM) owh: We started with the packages installed by tasksel on the ubuntu-server install.
(05:29:36 PM) ScottK2: Personally I think adding features to inits is adding features and should be done at the appropriate point in the development cycle for feature development.
(05:29:47 PM) kirkland: mathiaz: full compliance is beyond the scope I'm suggesting
(05:29:56 PM) owh: It's a fair point ScottK2
(05:30:23 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: right. OTOH not having a status action for init script is really annoying
(05:30:49 PM) owh: And I figure if we're serious with ebox, it will need to know if stuff is working - no?
(05:31:00 PM) mathiaz: so trying to add a status action for packages that are on the ubuntu-server iso seems to be a good compromise
(05:31:13 PM) kirkland: mathiaz: i agree with that
(05:31:34 PM) owh: All of them, or only the ones that are installed by a tasksel server selection?
(05:31:38 PM) ScottK2: It's not nearly annoying as having a broken init script on release day.
(05:32:15 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: I'd say that testing an init script is easy.
(05:32:17 PM) ScottK2: mathiaz: I think if you want to pursue this you should ask ubuntu-release for an FFe.
(05:32:22 PM) owh: There's only 7 that don't have a status that are installed by a tasksel *server selection
(05:32:25 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: aggreed.
(05:32:37 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: I was about to suggest that we should talk to ubuntu-release about this.
(05:32:43 PM) ScottK2: It all depends on the init.
(05:32:44 PM) kirkland: ScottK2: the risk is having an init script with a broken 'status' action on release day
(05:32:58 PM) ScottK2: kirkland: We have lots on unimplemented features.
(05:32:59 PM) kirkland: we should not be affecting the start/stop/(other) actions
(05:33:08 PM) mathiaz: kirkland: could you update the Roadmap with a clear scope on what we aim at ?
(05:33:10 PM) ScottK2: kirkland: Agree with should not.
(05:33:15 PM) owh: There are only 4 that have a status option so far.
(05:33:15 PM) nealmcb: I'd suggest taking it one package as a time - if the patch is trivial and fixes the "non-lsb-compliant" bug, then it is worthwhile given the 5 year lifespan of hardy. but I know it is also risky
(05:33:36 PM) mathiaz: kirkland: and also list the packages targeted for hardy ?
(05:33:44 PM) kirkland: mathiaz: will do
(05:33:58 PM) mathiaz: kirkland: once the list is there, we can ask ubuntu-release to have a look at it and get a FFe for it.
(05:34:15 PM) kirkland: nealmcb: I agree with your LTS comment, plus the fact that this is "catch-up" for many key services on ubuntu-server
(05:34:58 PM) mathiaz: kirkland: however we won't have this ready by beta.
(05:35:07 PM) nealmcb: at any rate, thanks for gathering the data, folks....
(05:35:35 PM) mathiaz: kirkland: the archive freeze is tomorrow - and these are patches that are not show-stoppers for the beta release
(05:35:54 PM) owh: That gives us 24 hours :)
(05:36:03 PM) kirkland: owh: with 2/7 done
(05:36:13 PM) zul: uh...no it gives you less than that
(05:36:21 PM) mathiaz: [ACTION] kirkland to update the Roadmap outlining the scope of the work - just add status action
(05:36:21 PM) MootBot: ACTION received: kirkland to update the Roadmap outlining the scope of the work - just add status action
(05:36:23 PM) ***nealmcb would love to have status-getting documentation that doesn't have to say "except on hardy" for a long time
(05:36:24 PM) owh: Seriously, the packages on the CD, there are really not that many if we limit ourselves to tasksel only stuff.
(05:36:45 PM) mathiaz: [ACTION] kirkland to ask ubuntu-release for a FFe for each of the packages.
(05:36:46 PM) MootBot: ACTION received: kirkland to ask ubuntu-release for a FFe for each of the packages.
(05:38:01 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] libdb4.x transition
(05:38:02 PM) MootBot: New Topic: libdb4.x transition
(05:38:11 PM) mathiaz: there has been some work done on this.
(05:39:04 PM) mathiaz: mruiz has been working on a couple of them - and contacted some upstream about the transition. Some of the upstream added a check in the configure script for a specific version of libdb.
(05:39:37 PM) mathiaz: zul: is the Roadmap updated wrt to the package you've uploaded ?
(05:39:48 PM) zul: mathiaz: afaik yes
(05:40:16 PM) zul: yes it is...mruiz is doing the rest of them
(05:40:25 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: is there any packages for libdb4.4 and libdb4.5 ?
(05:41:18 PM) ScottK2: mathiaz: There are, but I haven't had time to look
(05:41:43 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: ok - so may be we should concentrate on libdb4.3
(05:41:58 PM) ScottK2: Yes.
(05:42:01 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: and then jump to libdb4.4 and 4.5
(05:42:05 PM) ScottK2: Yes
(05:42:28 PM) ScottK2: lidbd4.2 will be sticking around, so no point worrying about that one right now.
(05:42:34 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] Server Guide documentation
(05:42:35 PM) MootBot: New Topic: Server Guide documentation
(05:42:44 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: yeah - related to openldap
(05:42:50 PM) ScottK2: Exactly
(05:42:56 PM) mathiaz: sommer: so how is the string freeze going ?
(05:43:05 PM) sommer: getting there
(05:43:26 PM) sommer: added an ebox section if people would like to review
(05:43:31 PM) mathiaz: sommer: do you have section that needs focus for review ?
(05:43:53 PM) sommer: probably the virt section... working with nijaba and soren on it
(05:44:25 PM) sommer: I should have an update for it this evening... the current version isn't quite accurate
(05:44:50 PM) mathiaz: sommer: ok - I'll look into also as I'm still setting up my new vm environement.
(05:45:06 PM) sommer: mathiaz: cool, the more the marrier
(05:45:13 PM) mathiaz: keescook and jdstrand have also migrated to kvm IIRC
(05:45:41 PM) jdstrand: yep
(05:45:44 PM) jdstrand: loving it
(05:45:47 PM) nealmcb: :-)
(05:45:55 PM) sommer: other than that just working through the rest of the sections and updating minor adjustments for hardy
(05:45:55 PM) jdstrand: much less resource intensive than vmware
(05:46:08 PM) nijaba: at least sommer does it in real condition: remotely
(05:46:22 PM) sommer: heh... attempts to :-)
(05:46:23 PM) mathiaz: sommer: could you update the Roadmap with a list of the section you'd ask for review ?
(05:46:31 PM) dendrobates: sommer: I should get the likewise-open man pages by tomorrow.
(05:46:34 PM) soren: I had 10 vm's running at the same time a few days ago. Worked fine.
(05:46:37 PM) mathiaz: sommer: so that we can point people to it and focus our efforts on that.
(05:46:47 PM) sommer: mathiaz: sure
(05:47:09 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] sommer to update the roadmap section with a list of section of the server guide that need reviews.
(05:47:09 PM) MootBot: New Topic: sommer to update the roadmap section with a list of section of the server guide that need reviews.
(05:47:12 PM) sommer: dendrobates: that's cool, I noticed the ffe bug.
(05:47:38 PM) mathiaz: nealmcb: could you update the factoids by adding a servergui entry ?
(05:47:51 PM) nealmcb: I sent mail a little while ago
(05:48:05 PM) mathiaz: !servergui
(05:48:05 PM) ubotu: Sorry, I don't know anything about servergui - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
(05:48:15 PM) nealmcb: mail to the server team...
(05:48:26 PM) nealmcb: if folks like what I wrote, and the servergui changes, I'll talk to the ops
(05:48:56 PM) faulkes-: I now have hardware and a requirement for virtuals, so I'll be doing kvm stuff very soon
(05:49:12 PM) nealmcb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI
(05:49:43 PM) nealmcb: (that's mostly sommer's work of course - just a few edits by me)
(05:49:50 PM) mathiaz: nealmcb: I think it looks good
(05:49:52 PM) jdstrand: I should mention that while I have been loving kvm
(05:49:55 PM) mathiaz: nealmcb: and should be added
(05:50:02 PM) jdstrand: and have moved all my vmware machines to it
(05:50:07 PM) nealmcb: will do
(05:50:08 PM) _czessi is now known as Czessi
(05:50:19 PM) mathiaz: nealmcb: I can't seem to find your email to the server team about the servergui entry
(05:50:22 PM) jdstrand: there is some adjustments that need to be made on pre-hardy vms
(05:50:32 PM) nealmcb: just half an hour ago
(05:50:36 PM) mathiaz: [ACTION] nealmcb to add an entry for the servergui factoid
(05:50:37 PM) MootBot: ACTION received: nealmcb to add an entry for the servergui factoid
(05:50:39 PM) jdstrand: I will update the wiki accordingly (probably tomorrow)
(05:51:07 PM) jdstrand: additionally, there is s script available to help migrate
(05:51:10 PM) mathiaz: nealmcb: ah ok - I haven't checked my email
(05:51:16 PM) jdstrand: vmware images to kvm:
(05:51:19 PM) jdstrand: http://people.ubuntu.com/~soren/vmware2libvirt
(05:51:20 PM) MootBot: LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~soren/vmware2libvirt
(05:51:46 PM) ***owh hugs jdstrand
(05:51:56 PM) ***owh thanks soren for the code.
(05:52:09 PM) nealmcb: I did change one part of the recommend apt-get commands...
(05:52:15 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] LTS upgrades
(05:52:15 PM) MootBot: New Topic: LTS upgrades
(05:52:24 PM) mathiaz: so what are our current efforts in that area ?
(05:53:11 PM) soren: owh: Oh, it's jdstrand's doing. All of it.
(05:53:24 PM) soren: owh: I just stole it and threw it on people.ubuntu.com :)
(05:53:30 PM) owh: ROTFL
(05:54:39 PM) mathiaz: so I guess we're doing really good on LTS upgrade testing if noone has anything to report
(05:55:06 PM) jdstrand: mathiaz: I would not assume that
(05:55:11 PM) jdstrand: :)
(05:55:26 PM) jdstrand: mathiaz: I was until a moment ago silent because I haven't done it
(05:55:32 PM) ScottK2: I can unequivicably (or however that's spelled) say that I have not encountered any errors in LTS to LTS upgrade testing.
(05:55:50 PM) ***jdstrand could say the same
(05:56:17 PM) mathiaz: well - my question then is: what was LTS-to-LTS-upgrade-tested ?
(05:56:28 PM) ***sommer needs to make time for testing LTS on LTS action
(05:56:34 PM) nealmcb: ScottK2: but what fractions of the upgrades have been successful? Any singularities encountered?
(05:56:37 PM) nealmcb: :-)
(05:56:39 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: I guess you've tested postfix and mail daemon
(05:57:16 PM) ScottK2: Actually I haven't directly, but I've tested direct upgrades of Postfix to modern versions on Dapper with no trouble for backports
(05:58:25 PM) mathiaz: well - we still need to focus on LTS-to-LTS upgrades
(05:58:48 PM) mathiaz: especially now that we're about to release beta
(05:58:57 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] Any Other Business
(05:58:58 PM) MootBot: New Topic: Any Other Business
(05:59:04 PM) mathiaz: anyone wants to add something ?
(05:59:21 PM) mathiaz: soren: could you update the ReportingPage with a virtualization section ?
(05:59:34 PM) ScottK2: mathiaz: Any chance now for tasksel changes?
(05:59:35 PM) owh: And a migration guide :)
(05:59:38 PM) mathiaz: dendrobates: same thing for likewise-open ?
(06:00:01 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: you mean the dovecot+postfix integration ?
(06:00:41 PM) ScottK2: mathiaz: Yes.
(06:00:55 PM) soren: mathiaz: Will do.
(06:01:01 PM) ScottK2: I wanted to see about integrating amavisd-new since we finally got it in Main
(06:01:16 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: I think that ivoks updated the patch for the new version of tasksel
(06:01:30 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: now it needs a FFe and then a core-dev can upload it
(06:01:34 PM) soren: "unequivocably", I think, by the way.
(06:02:00 PM) ***kirkland quivs with soren
(06:02:08 PM) ScottK2: soren: That looks right
(06:02:30 PM) ScottK2: mathiaz: Do you have a bug number? If there's a patch, I'll look into FFe.
(06:03:02 PM) mathiaz: ScottK2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/164837
(06:03:07 PM) ubotu: Launchpad bug 164837 in dovecot "Dovecot SASL for postfix" [Low,In progress]
(06:03:10 PM) ***ScottK2 looks
(06:03:47 PM) mathiaz: [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time.
(06:03:48 PM) MootBot: New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time.
(06:03:57 PM) mathiaz: Same time, same place, next week ?
(06:04:28 PM) nealmcb: yes - utc-wise :-)
(06:04:40 PM) mathiaz: well - 21:00 UTC
(06:04:49 PM) nxvl: meeting is already over?
(06:05:08 PM) mathiaz: the time hasn't changed - only the some part of the world decided to move forward in time
(06:05:17 PM) ivoks: mathiaz: yes, i've updated it
(06:05:46 PM) ivoks: ScottK2: no, i didn't put amavis in it; and i'm not big fan of doing amavis filtering by default
(06:06:16 PM) ivoks: ScottK2: i think we should leave that to people who know what it is for
(06:06:44 PM) ivoks: otherwise, we'll have angry users complaining that their ubuntu mail server kills mail
(06:07:04 PM) ScottK2: ivoks: Fair enough
(06:07:34 PM) ScottK2: It's certain not something we should shove in at the last minute if there's no consensus.
(06:07:36 PM) ivoks: ScottK2: amavis bounces mail with exe attachments by default, so... i don't know...
(06:07:50 PM) mathiaz: Ok - so next meeting: next week, same time same place
(06:07:51 PM) ScottK2: We'd need to come up with a do no harm config
(06:08:08 PM) mathiaz: Thanks all for attending ! :)
(06:08:16 PM) ivoks: ScottK2: yeah... i'm still in a quest for ideal amavis config :)
(06:08:18 PM) mathiaz: #endmeeting
(06:08:19 PM) MootBot: Meeting finished at 22:08.
(06:08:46 PM) ivoks: ScottK2: and, it would love to see mailzu integrated with amavis
(06:08:59 PM) sommer: thanks mathiaz, later all
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