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Agenda

Minutes

Items we will be discussing:

• Review ACTION points from previous meeting.

• Ubuntu Virtualization Meta Packages - DustinKirkland

  • DustinKirkland has been working on meta packages to ease installation of packages required to get started with virtualization in Ubuntu Intrepid; You can try ubuntu-virt and ubuntu-virt-extras from https://edge.launchpad.net/~kirkland/+archive. Some discussion requested here on what the packages should be called, and what they should include (require).

• Merges - MathiasGug

• Review ["ServerTeam/Roadmap"] and ["ServerTeam/ReportingPage"].

• Agree on next meeting date and time.

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Wednesday, May 28th at 21:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

{{{[22:01] <mathiaz> Let's get started now that ubottu updated the topic [22:01] <mathiaz> today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [22:01] <nealmcb> mootbot isn't back up yet [22:01] <jdstrand> that's my right hand-- I'm facing you [22:01] <mathiaz> nealmcb: nope - we'll have to live without him for a while [22:02] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting. [22:02] <mathiaz> Previous meeting logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080430 [22:03] <mathiaz> There was no action [22:03] <ivoks> [22:04] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Virtualization Meta Packages [22:04] <owh> mathiaz: I recall an action you had, but I cannot recall what it was. [22:04] <mathiaz> kirkland: what's your brand new ideea ? [22:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: so... [22:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: basically create a meta package that requires the virtualization packages necessary to get up an Ubuntu virt-host into a useful state [22:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: we have a handful of documentation right now that details the steps to do so [22:05] <nealmcb> no gui? [22:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: but in the grand spirit of Ubuntu making difficult Linuxy things easier, this meta package helps things along [22:06] <soren> And no ponies, either. [22:06] <kirkland> I have test packages available in my PPA [22:06] <kirkland> right now, we're debating the most appropriate name of it [22:06] <kirkland> right now, there are ubuntu-virt and ubuntu-virt-extras [22:06] <mathiaz> kirkland: is virt-manager included ? [22:06] <kirkland> ubuntu-virt being just stuff in main, ubuntu-virt-extras += universe packages [22:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: yes, ubuntu-virt right now is (virt-manager, kvm, libvirtd) [22:07] <kirkland> -extras adds stuff like virt-viewer [22:07] <kirkland> qemu, etc. [22:07] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'm thinking about a server that one would like to turn into a virtualization host [22:07] <kirkland> so i'm polling the server team here for two things [22:07] <kirkland> a) confirmation/information on what packages should be included [22:07] <kirkland> b) the most applicable name [22:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: virt-manager requires a desktop IIUC [22:08] <kirkland> dendrobates suggested ubuntu-virt-host and ubuntu-virt-host-extras, and I tend to prefer those, but soren and jdstrand like the shorter names [22:08] <zul> mathiaz: i thought it didnt [22:08] <kirkland> mathiaz: i think it pulls some X libraries, yes, but not the whole desktop [22:08] <jdstrand> 'host' doesn't mean anything to me *shrug* [22:08] <nealmcb> ubuntu-virt-dev for the gui stuff? [22:08] <kirkland> mathiaz: I *think* you can ssh -X and run virt-manager [22:08] <nealmcb> probably not.... [22:09] <nealmcb> ubuntu-virt-build? [22:09] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - virt-manager support qemu+ssh [22:09] <nealmcb> but requires x11 libraries? [22:09] <kirkland> to me the key is the ability to create/delete/manage/host virtual machines [22:09] <mathiaz> kirkland: that's how I run it here - I have a server that only has kvm and libvirt [22:09] <nijaba> kirkland: I think we would need an ubuntu-virt-client, another ubuntu-virt-server [22:09] * nealmcb would prefer offhand that ubuntu-virt just be what you need to run stuff, and have gui stuff on top of that [22:09] <mathiaz> kirkland: and then use virt-manager on my laptop to manage the vms [22:09] <kirkland> one package for the bare minimum to do that. a second package with add-on niceties [22:09] <nealmcb> client! yeah [22:10] <owh> Why are we referring to it as "virt", as in ubuntu-virt, rather than ubuntu-vm? [22:10] <mathiaz> kirkland: would it make sense to have a -gui package to pull in the gui part ? [22:10] <kirkland> mathiaz: yes, perhaps [22:10] <nijaba> owh: vm= virtual machine, not virtualization server [22:11] <nijaba> mathiaz: that's what I meant with ubuntu-virt-client [22:11] <owh> nijaba: I realise that, but the thing makes virtual machines does it not? [22:11] <owh> nijaba: Originally the script was ubuntu-jeos-builder. [22:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: i find the most useful combination to me (kvm, libvirt-bin, virt-manager) ... what would you call that? [22:12] <mathiaz> owh: we're talking about kvm and libvirt [22:12] <kirkland> note that i mainly use that on my desktop machines [22:12] <mathiaz> owh: not ubuntu-vm-builder [22:12] <jdstrand> kirkland: -virt [22:12] <nealmcb> perhaps -gui would be better for the gui stuff, and -client can be used if necessary for cli/api client stuff [22:12] <nijaba> owh: ubutu-vm-builder and virt-install do, yes (as well as part of virt-manager [22:12] <jdstrand> there aren't that many packages [22:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: in my own use case, I'm only using kvm+libvirt-bin on my server [22:13] <nijaba> kirkland: same as mathiaz here [22:13] <nijaba> kirkland: and all DC client will do the same [22:13] <nijaba> kirkland: remeber, no GUI on server by default [22:13] <mathiaz> kirkland: so I'd have ubuntu-virt for kvm+libvirt, which is what is needed to turn a server into a system that can provide vms [22:13] <kirkland> nijaba: i understand [22:13] <mathiaz> kirkland: and then ubuntu-virt-gui or -client to manage the vms [22:14] <jdstrand> what about moving virt-manager to -extras? [22:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, i think that's just virt-manager though [22:14] <soren> ubuntu-virt-node vs. ubuntu-virt-management? [22:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes - maybe that's enough then [22:14] <nijaba> soren: not bad [22:14] <kirkland> soren: define ^ [22:14] <soren> Or mgmt for short. [22:14] <soren> -node is kvm + libvirt-bin. [22:15] <soren> +ssh. [22:15] <jdstrand> 'node' is unclear-- node has a singular connotation to me [22:15] <soren> -mgmt is libvirt-bin (to get virsh) and virt-manager. [22:15] <jdstrand> whereas a server could have a gajillion vms [22:15] <dendrobates> I think it important that the name clearly represent what it is. I think the -host or -server helps that. [22:15] <kirkland> jdstrand: soren: okay, i like this, but i agree that -node is ambiguous [22:15] <kirkland> i'd suggest -host or -server [22:15] <soren> Really? [22:16] <soren> I have one virtualisation node on which I run 27 vm's. [22:16] <soren> That makes sense in my book. I'm not insistant on it, though. At all. [22:16] <kirkland> I'd say you have one "virtualisation SERVER on which you run 27 vm's" [22:16] <soren> It's never struck me as ambiguous. [22:16] <dendrobates> hmm node? it sounds a bit jargony. [22:17] <nijaba> so ubuntu-virt-server and ubuntu-virt-mgmt? [22:17] <kirkland> okay, votes between ubuntu-virt-server and ubuntu-virt-host where either = (kvm, libvirt-bin, openssh-server) ? [22:17] <soren> Maybe I'm infected with the clustering terminology. [22:17] <nealmcb> of course a vm can be a whole network with servers and networks.... [22:17] <owh> +1 ubuntu-virt-host [22:17] <mathiaz> kirkland: ubuntu-virt-host +! [22:17] <mathiaz> kirkland: ubuntu-virt-host +1 [22:18] <owh> mathiaz: The first vote doesn't count, but is it a dimple? [22:18] <kirkland> okay, and the other is ubuntu-virt-mgmt ? [22:18] <soren> -server +1 [22:18] <nijaba> kirkland: ubuntu-virt-server +1 [22:18] <sommer> ubuntu-virt-server +1 [22:18] <jdstrand> -mgmt +1 [22:18] <nealmcb> -host +1 [22:18] <ivoks> a tie [22:18] <dendrobates> -server +1 [22:18] <ivoks> -server +1 [22:18] <soren> I'm not sure where ubuntu-vm-builder fits in, though. [22:18] <sommer> ubuntu-virt-creator ? [22:18] * owh is also unsure. [22:18] <kirkland> soren: i was going to put that in -extras [22:18] <jdstrand> does this mean no -extras for universe stuff? [22:18] <soren> kirkland: Ah, good. [22:19] <jdstrand> ok [22:19] <nealmcb> hosting runs things, servers serve things (like download your vms from my server...) [22:19] <nealmcb> but it is all hopelessly ambiguous [22:19] * owh changes vote from host to server [22:19] <soren> I'm hosting server vm's on my cluster nodes. [22:19] <soren> It's great. [22:19] <jdstrand> unless you're like me, and have your vms on the local machine [22:19] <kirkland> +1 from me for ubuntu-virt-server [22:19] <kirkland> another poll now, ubuntu-virt-mgmt vs ubuntu-virt-extras ? [22:19] <mathiaz> Ok - so it seems ubuntu-virt-server is the prefered choice [22:20] <ivoks> we have -server for everything else [22:20] <ivoks> people will understand [22:20] <nijaba> I think it wold be neet to have a ubuntu-virt-full that is -server + -mgmt for the desktop guys [22:20] <ivoks> bringing in -host, which is uniq is... 'what's that all about?' [22:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: -mgmt +! [22:20] * nealmcb goes with the flow [22:21] <owh> -extras +1 (to stay consistent with the other names) [22:21] <nijaba> kirkland: what is in -extra? [22:21] <nealmcb> nijaba: how about -desktop? full seems more ambiguous [22:21] <kirkland> nijaba: virt-manager, ubuntu-vm-builder, qemu, virt-viewer, kqemu (perhaps) ... other goodness in universe [22:22] * nealmcb is cautious about too much stuff in -extras [22:22] <nijaba> kirkland: isn't that what -mgmt is supposed to be? [22:22] <owh> nealmcb: That has too many connotations with ubuntu-desktop. [22:22] <nijaba> and u-v-b should be in -server (or not, since not in main) [22:22] <jdstrand> how is qemu 'mgmt'? [22:23] <kirkland> nijaba: i was suggesting either -mgmt or -extras ... perhaps we should split that into 3? [22:23] <ivoks> jdstrand: how about kqemu? [22:23] <nijaba> and qemu should be both in -server and mgmt [22:23] <jdstrand> ivoks: exactly [22:23] <nealmcb> nijaba: I'd think u-v-builder would be part of the management stuff offhand [22:23] <kirkland> nijaba: qemu is universe [22:23] <jdstrand> nijaba: that puts -server in universe then [22:23] <kirkland> nijaba: kvm includes a subset of qemu code (enough) [22:23] <nijaba> jdstrand: right [22:23] * nijaba hides [22:24] <jdstrand> heh [22:24] <ivoks> -addons [22:24] <kirkland> okay, so then we'll have a total of 3 meta packages built from the same source..... [22:24] <owh> ivoks: They're hardly addons, they're needed to get started [22:24] <kirkland> ubuntu-virt-server, ubuntu-virt-mgmt, ubuntu-virt-extras [22:24] <mathiaz> kirkland: works for me [22:24] <mathiaz> Let's move on [22:25] <kirkland> with ubuntu-virt-server being server-only, non-gui, packages for hosting vm's [22:25] <kirkland> and in main [22:25] <jdstrand> kirkland: I like the idea, but -mgmt seems to then only contain virt-manager... [22:25] <mathiaz> kirkland: could you upload these meta-package to your PPA and then ask for feedback on the ubuntu-server ml ? [22:25] <kirkland> mathiaz: you bet. [22:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'll build against Hardy (since most people still running that) and Intrepid too [22:26] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok. [22:26] <mathiaz> kirkland: but the meta-package won't make it hardy [22:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: i understand this [22:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: great [22:27] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to upload new meta-package for ubuntu virtualization things and ask for feedback on ubuntu-server@l.u.c [22:27] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Merges [22:28] <mathiaz> As you may have noticed, intrepid is open for business [22:28] <soren> Wooh! [22:28] <ivoks> what's that? [22:28] <soren> [22:28] <ivoks> a joke, a joke... [22:28] <mathiaz> There is a huge stack of packages from debian waiting to be merged [22:29] <mathiaz> I'd add that this is probably the best time to get started in packaging [22:29] <soren> "merged" means that in hardy, we took the package from Debian and changed it somehow, and now Debian has a new version and we need to merge the two change sets. [22:29] <mathiaz> I'd like to know if any has a list of easy merges [22:29] <mathiaz> /any/anyone/ [22:29] <soren> *cough* dpkg *cough* [22:29] <soren> [22:30] <owh> mathiaz: Microsoft and Yahoo? [22:30] <zul> *cough* mysql *cough* [22:30] <ivoks> i'm sure bacula won't be the easy one... :/ [22:30] <mathiaz> so that we can hand them to people that want to start packaging. [22:30] <zul> ivoks: already done [22:30] <ivoks> :] [22:31] <soren> Wow.. I hardly have any left. [22:31] <soren> Maybe only like 20 or so. [22:31] <soren> Well, the basic rule is: [22:31] <kirkland> owh: LoL [22:32] <soren> Look at either: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html or http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html and find things that look interesting. [22:32] <soren> ..and poke the person named there. [22:32] <soren> ask them if they're working on it already. [22:32] <soren> If not, dig in [22:33] <mathiaz> soren: it's sugested to contact the last uploader before doing a merge - wouldn't the laste merger make more sense ? [22:33] <sommer> cool [22:33] <soren> mathiaz: It's hard to say anything in general about it. [22:33] <soren> mathiaz: The last uploader will usually know who to talk to. [22:33] <soren> ..so that's probably fine. [22:34] <mathiaz> soren: well - or look into the changelog [22:34] <mathiaz> soren: to figure out what the last uploader did [22:34] <owh> Is there any documentation to actually do the merge, that is, something to help new people get started? [22:35] <zul> owh: check the wiki [22:35] <nealmcb> owh: and the recent open week logs [22:35] <soren> owh: The packaging guide is a good starting point, I believe. [22:35] <mathiaz> owh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging [22:35] <owh> Tah [22:35] <mathiaz> owh: and the last openweek sessions - there were a couple of sessions related to Merging. [22:36] * owh adds that to the ToDo list which is threatening to avalanche off the desk. [22:37] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] SRU for hardy [22:38] <mathiaz> zul: how are we doing on this front ? [22:38] <_ZeuZ_> Sorry to interrupt, just wanted to join and see what's going on... Hope you guys don't mind [22:38] <nealmcb> _ZeuZ_: welcome [22:38] <zul> mathiaz: pretty good been slowly going through my list [22:38] <owh> _ZeuZ_: The meeting is open to all comers, welcome. [22:38] <zul> added a couple more today as well [22:39] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/StableReleaseTracker [22:39] <zul> people are welcome to add to the list as well [22:39] <mathiaz> is the place where SRU are tracked [22:40] <_ZeuZ_> Lovely, will do my best... I come from Debian desktop enviroment seeking for easier network administration... Well, actually, easier traffic contorl and bandwidth managment and prioritizing... Hope I can help in something [22:41] <mathiaz> anyone that comes across a bug worth fixing in hardy should ping zul about it [22:41] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] UDS topic and preparation [22:41] <zul> or if Im idling zulcss@ubuntu.com [22:41] <mathiaz> As I said last week, we're preparing for UDS [22:41] <ivoks> mathiaz: sorry to interrupt [22:41] <ivoks> mathiaz: what about bugs in dapper? [22:42] <ivoks> dapper is still supported and should get our attention also [22:42] <mathiaz> ivoks: we're still looking into them [22:42] <mathiaz> ivoks: aggreed. But now we have two LTS to look after [22:42] <ivoks> right [22:42] <mathiaz> ivoks: we plan to 8.04.1 in July [22:42] <Nafallo> only LTSes? or just priority? [22:42] <mathiaz> ivoks: so we focus on hardy until then [22:43] * kirkland guesses we'll see more -server users come the first hardy dot-release [22:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: of course it doesn't mean we drop dapper - if bugs pop up we should aim at fixing them. [22:43] <ivoks> mathiaz: ok, i do understand, i'll fight for some bugs in dapper [22:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: great - we're still issuing SRU for dapper, feisty and gutsy. [22:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: any contribution is of course accepted [22:44] <ivoks> sorry for distraction, please continue with topic... [22:44] <mathiaz> (a new cyrus-sasl2 package has been uploaded to dapper-proposed) [22:45] <mathiaz> to go back to UDS topics and preparation [22:45] <mathiaz> dendrobates: how are things going ? [22:46] <dendrobates> mathiaz: good, the schedule is nearly final. [22:46] <mathiaz> dendrobates: where/when will the schedule be published ? [22:47] <dendrobates> mathiaz: I am not sure. All the track leads need to be done first. [22:47] <mathiaz> dendrobates: right - is a topic list available ? [22:48] <mathiaz> dendrobates: UDS is in one and half week - people should start preparing the subjects [22:48] <dendrobates> mathiaz: not yet. But soon. I'll announce it in #ubuntu-server. [22:48] <mathiaz> dendrobates: ok - thanks. [22:49] <mathiaz> Anyone has questions about UDS ? [22:49] <_ZeuZ_> yes, a noob question here... [22:49] <nijaba> who's coming? [22:49] <_ZeuZ_> what is UDS? [22:49] <soren> Is it going to be fun? [22:49] <_ZeuZ_> I dunno, was it? [22:49] <ivoks> nijaba: o/ [22:49] <sommer> o// [22:49] <nijaba> _ZeuZ_: Ubuntu Developper Summit [22:49] <_ZeuZ_> oh... [22:49] <owh> soren: Only if you bring your 27 virtual machines... [22:49] <zul> is there going to be beer? [22:49] <_ZeuZ_> Gotcha [22:50] <mathiaz> _ZeuZ_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid?highlight=%28UDS%29 [22:50] <ivoks> zul: in prague... lots of cheap beer [22:50] <soren> owh: Aw.. [22:50] <owh> soren: Ok, perhaps it will be fun if you turn up [22:51] <mathiaz> ok - that's all I had for this week [22:51] <owh> Are we onto other items yet? [22:51] <soren> \o/ [22:51] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Any other business [22:51] <ivoks> yeah [22:51] * owh would like to know about vmware-server in hardy. Do we have a time-line yet? [22:51] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'd like to thank those that tested my Documentation Search .... newz2000 is using it for the basis of a revamped search.ubuntu.com [22:51] * ivoks would like to start bigger disscusion with kernel team [22:52] <ivoks> we need to coordinate better [22:52] * nealmcb still wishes we could see proposed blueprints - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/blueprint/+bug/66093 [22:52] <owh> kirkland: I use it regularly [22:52] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 66093 in blueprint "Meeting specifications page omits whether they have been accepted" [Medium,Confirmed] [22:52] <kirkland> owh: [22:52] <_ZeuZ_> is there any GUI for TCNG or Iptables bundled with Ubuntu Server? It would make it be even more used for newcomers,ISPs(news and old ones wanting to migrate) and such... [22:52] <nealmcb> o/ at uds [22:52] <mathiaz> ivoks: how come ? why not talk directly to them ? [22:53] <mathiaz> ivoks: in which area should we cooperate ? [22:53] <kirkland> _ZeuZ_: perhaps a better topic for #ubuntu-server ... as soon as this meeting is over, most of us will migrate our attention back over there [22:53] <ivoks> mathiaz: there are bugs which impact servers, but are kernel bugs [22:53] <_ZeuZ_> Oh, lovely... sorry... [22:54] <mathiaz> ivoks: and they don't get the required attention ? [22:54] <ivoks> mathiaz: right [22:54] <_ZeuZ_> Just thought it would help for ubuntu's supremacy in this territory... Red Hat allready has one... I got the ISOs and burned them to test, we can't fall under red hats feets on what to servers come [22:54] <ivoks> mathiaz: or no one notices them [22:54] <mathiaz> ivoks: hm.. seems like we need to make more noise then [22:54] <ivoks> mathiaz: i just wante to point out that we need to talk with them more often [22:55] <mathiaz> ivoks: do you have a list of the bug numbers ? [22:55] <ivoks> mathiaz: no, but i did encounter 2-3 in last 7 days [22:55] <mathiaz> ivoks: we can talk with ogasawara - she's the kernel bug triagger [22:56] * owh wonders if the vmware-server question was noticed. [22:56] <mathiaz> I'm sure nijaba has an answer [22:57] <ivoks> mathiaz: i'm not really sure what to do, but i have a feeling we aren't doing enough [22:57] <nijaba> mathiaz: I'd love to have one, sincerely [22:57] <ivoks> mathiaz: as soon as i figure out what's wrong, i'll be first to op to fix it [22:57] <mathiaz> ivoks: right - the right person to talk about that is ogasawara [22:57] <ivoks> [22:57] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] # [22:57] <mathiaz> Agree on next meeting date and time. [22:57] <_ZeuZ_> a kernel bug? Hmmm... I'm pretty noob at that, but, shouldnt that be caused for a patch on the ubuntu's flavor of linus kernel? [22:57] <nijaba> we have a meeting with vmware next week, so may have more info then [22:58] * kirkland will be enroute to Prague this time next week [22:58] <owh> nijaba: Tah. [22:58] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time. [22:58] <ivoks> kirkland: me too [22:58] <mathiaz> same place, same time ? [22:58] <owh> I'll be in sunny Perth waiting for the sun to rise [22:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: perhaps meet a day earlier next time? or a day later, from Prague? [22:58] <nealmcb> I"ll be wandering around prague... [22:58] <nealmcb> starting tuesday [22:59] <sommer> just wanted to point out this link for uds attendees: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Prague/Attendees [22:59] <mathiaz> most of us will be in Prague on Thursday [22:59] <mathiaz> or travelling to Prague on Thursday [22:59] <ivoks> sommer: i tought we use lp for that [22:59] <mathiaz> and some of us will also be travelling to Prague on Wednesday [23:00] <sommer> ivoks: ah, I just noticed it on planet ubuntu this morning in someones blog [23:00] <ivoks> sommer: ups... nice wiki [23:00] <mathiaz> Anyway - I guess not a lot of people will show up for next week's meeting [23:00] <nealmcb> save our energy for the coming week.... [23:00] <owh> mathiaz: Any point in skipping a week? [23:00] <sommer> ivoks: thought it'd work good for shared cabs and such [23:00] <mathiaz> I'll be available as I'll already be in Europe then - and be travelling to Prague on Thursday [23:00] <kirkland> someone should seed that wiki page with the attendees from https://edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-intrepid [23:01] <ivoks> sommer: yeah... it's 00:00 over here, so i have late start and didn't notice taxi, flights etc... [23:01] <mathiaz> owh: it seems most of us won't be available [23:02] <owh> mathiaz: Sorry, I meant it as, "Let's skip next week..." [23:02] <mathiaz> north american will probably be flying over the atlantic then [23:02] <mathiaz> owh: we'd also skip in two week, when most of use will be at UDS [23:02] <sommer> mathiaz: +1 [23:02] <nealmcb> that should be a sub page of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid [23:02] <owh> mathiaz: You mean, I can sleep in ? [23:03] <owh> excellent! [23:03] <mathiaz> owh: hehe [23:03] <mathiaz> so let's say we skip the next two meetings ? [23:03] <sommer> owh: nope, I don't think anyone said that [23:03] <owh> I'm happy either way mathiaz. If there's a meeting, I'll be there. [23:04] <owh> Do we know where UDS intrepid + 1 will be? [23:04] <mathiaz> owh: somewhere in North America [23:05] <mathiaz> owh: probably on the West Coast (according to the location of the previous UDS) [23:05] <owh> mathiaz: Ah, so it alternates between USA and Europe then? [23:06] <mathiaz> owh: yeah - this is how it was done in the past [23:06] <jjesse> @schedule detroit [23:06] <ubottu> jjesse: Schedule for America/Detroit: Current meeting: Server Team | 08 May 09:00: Desktop Team | 09 May 00:00: MOTU | 14 May 02:00: Platform Team | 14 May 17:00: Server Team [23:06] <owh> mathiaz: If that's the case, then I might be at a UDS in a year from now [23:06] <mathiaz> alright - so we haven't decided if we meet next week [23:06] <owh> So, was it agreed that we skip the next two meetings? [23:06] <nealmcb> owh: full list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperSummit [23:07] <jjesse> sorry for joing late [23:07] <mathiaz> who's is in favour of having a meeting next week ? [23:07] <owh> +1 [23:07] <owh> -1 [23:07] <owh> Doesn't matter [23:08] <owh> Well it does, but I'll be here if there is one [23:08] * mathiaz wonders if owh and him are the only one around [23:08] <ivoks> nope [23:08] <sommer> owh: just make sure to wake up either way [23:08] <jjesse> i', around not that it matters [23:08] <jjesse> on a confrence call [23:08] <owh> sommer: Only if you come and tuck me in the night before [23:09] <sommer> heh, more fun when people wake up grumpy [23:09] * kirkland pats mathiaz on the back [23:09] * owh hasn't had a surrogate mother for years:) [23:09] * owh thanks mathiaz for all the hard work and suggests we take a fortnight's leave. [23:10] <mathiaz> Alright - so no meeting next week - we'll meet in three weeks again - May 28th [23:10] * nealmcb thinks we already have, in effect [23:10] * kirkland waves [23:10] <mathiaz> thanks all for attending [23:10] <sommer> thanks mathiaz [23:10] * ivoks drops ons bed [23:10] <owh> Later all, I'm off to brekkie. [23:10] <mathiaz> and see ya in Prague for those of you that will be there [23:10] <owh> ivoks: ons? [23:10] <ivoks> owh: on [23:11] <owh> ivoks: You need more sleep [23:11] <sommer> later all, have a good one [23:11] <ivoks> owh: it's late... i baerly keep my eyes open [23:11] <nijaba> thanks for hosting mathiaz [23:11] <owh> ivoks: Go to bed. You're eyelids are getting heavy. [23:11] <ivoks> mathiaz rulez }}}