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Agenda

Items we will be discussing:

• Review ACTION points from previous meeting.

• Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap.

• Server survey: official server online, call for volunteers for a last test and to prepare annoucement.
• Open Discussion.
• Agree on next meeting date and time.

Minutes

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, September 9th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

[16:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:02] <soren> o/
[16:02] <nijaba> [Meeting started]
[16:02] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:02] <soren> MootBot: Feel free to enter the game any time you find it convenient.
[16:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
[16:03] <mathiaz> Last week meeting notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
[16:03] <mathiaz> Last week meeting notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080826
[16:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu VM builder
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: did you upload something new ?
[16:03] <soren> I did indeed.
[16:04] <soren> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=vm-builder
[16:04] <mathiaz> nijaba: did you get a chance to review the new package ?
[16:05]  * nijaba just started working on the tutorial today.
[16:05] <mathiaz> nijaba: are you using soren's bzr branch ?
[16:05] <soren> nijaba: It should be mostly compatible with the old one.
[16:05] <soren> I have a transition plan for when it's completely compatible.
[16:05] <nijaba> mathiaz: yes
[16:06] <nijaba> soren: yep, I'll send you a few notes later on that subject
[16:06] <soren> Cool.
[16:06] <mathiaz> sommer: did you get a chance to look at the package also ?
[16:06] <soren> nijaba: Any regressions from u-v-b to v-b should be considered bugs.
[16:06] <sommer> mathiaz: not yet, still on the list though
[16:07] <mathiaz> soren: have you wrote a blog post about your release ?
[16:07] <nijaba> soren: so far, only finding regression with my intrepid branch
[16:07] <mathiaz> soren: or advertise the upload somewhat ?
[16:07] <nijaba> mathiaz: he did on his blog, IIRC
[16:07] <mathiaz> soren: or you're waiting for the package to get through NEW ?
[16:07] <soren> mathiaz: I will when it's actually in the archive.
[16:08] <soren> I've announced stuff before their actual availability before... IRC was no fun for the next few days.
[16:08] <nijaba> http://warma.dk/blog/article/90/
[16:08] <mathiaz> [ACTION] soren to write a blog post about vm-builder once it's available in the archive
[16:09] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to update the virtualization section of the server guide with references to the new ubuntu-vm-builder
[16:09] <nijaba> there is also going to be a feature in the gss newsletter
[16:09] <mathiaz> nijaba: awesome
[16:09] <nijaba> (first edition of a newsletter going out to support customers)
[16:09] <mathiaz> nijaba: where do you plan to push your tutorial ?
[16:09] <nijaba> mathiaz: wiki once I have a first valid draft
[16:10] <nijaba> mathiaz: h.u.c
[16:10] <mathiaz> nijaba: great - should we also write up something for the UWN ?
[16:10] <mathiaz> (once it's in the archive)
[16:10]  * nealmcb cheers
[16:11] <nijaba> mathiaz: why not, but my to do is a bit full atm, so it may take a bit for me to write it
[16:11] <nijaba> any volunteers?
[16:11] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nijaba to write a tutorial on vm-builder and put on the help wiki (h.u.c/community)
[16:12] <nealmcb> I"d think UWN would just want a link to soren's post?
[16:13] <mathiaz> nealmcb: seems like a good option
[16:13] <mathiaz> soren: could you ping UWN once you've published your post ?
[16:13] <soren> mathiaz: How do I do that, exactly?
[16:13] <nealmcb> but the more posts/viewpoints the better, of course
[16:14] <mathiaz> boredandblogging: is your man
[16:14] <soren> (Wow, it took me 5 seconds to type "exactly")
[16:14] <soren> mathiaz: Ah, right. Will do.
[16:14] <mathiaz> soren: great !
[16:15] <mathiaz> [ACTION] soren to ping UWN editor to get a paragraph about vm-builder in UWN
[16:15] <mathiaz> soren: anything else to report on the vm-builder front ?
[16:15] <soren> Probably, but I think I'll save that for my blog post. :)
[16:15] <mathiaz> soren: thanks
[16:15] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:16] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Tomcat6 server stack support
[16:16] <mathiaz> Koon: thanks for writing the post
[16:16] <mathiaz> Koon: I've published it on ubuntuserver.w.com
[16:16] <Koon> np, a couple of nice reactiosn already
[16:16] <mathiaz> Koon: what's the state of the patches ?
[16:17] <mathiaz> Koon: it seems most of them have been sponsored
[16:17] <Koon> the remaining two are the conflictual ones
[16:17] <Koon> so it's more doko's decision
[16:18] <Koon> as our java platform master, he dedcides
[16:18] <mathiaz> Koon: do they pull in a lot of dependencies ?
[16:19] <Koon> there are two remaining bugs
[16:19] <Koon> bug 249178 has two aspects
[16:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 249178 in ecj "libecj-java shouldn't recommend java2-runtime" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249178
[16:19] <Koon> one is that it pulls a full java runtime, that needs to be fixed and is undisputed
[16:20] <Koon> the other is that by recommending libecj-java-gcj you get a full GCJ runtime with it
[16:20] <mathiaz> Koon: right - I'm more interested by the space it may take on the isos
[16:20] <Koon> and at the moment it means a few X libraries through a libgcj9-0-awt recommend in libgcj9-0
[16:21] <mathiaz> Koon: although we have a lot of spaces left on the -server isos, it seemed that there are a lot of deps pulled in
[16:21] <Koon> the other remaining bug is bug 261847 - this one pulls a lot through a libnss-mdns recommend in openjdk-6-jre-headless
[16:21] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 261847 in openjdk-6 "Installing openjdk-6-jre-headless pulls in dbus/avahi" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261847
[16:22] <Koon> i'm not really sure what is not already on the server iso though.
[16:22] <mathiaz> Koon: ok - it's under discussion for now and the right person is involved
[16:22] <doko> Koon: I'm back, looking at the latter. I'll fix the former as indicated in the bug report
[16:22] <Koon> doko: great ! thx
[16:23] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on
[16:23] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ServerGuide for Intrepid
[16:23] <mathiaz> sommer: any news on the apache2 section from jjesse ?
[16:24] <sommer> mathiaz: haven't heard from him about that section yet
[16:24] <sommer> I added a  support section though
[16:25] <sommer> I think it covers what dendrobates wanted, but if not just let me know
[16:25] <mathiaz> sommer: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ubuntu-support.html ?
[16:25] <sommer> mathiaz: yep, that's it
[16:26] <kirkland> i still owe sommer a review of the RAID stuff in there...  i'll get to it this week
[16:26] <sommer> heh, cool... the ldap sections are all updated for cn=config as well
[16:26] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to review the RAID section of the server guide
[16:27] <mathiaz> sommer: I'll take a look at the cn=config stuff
[16:27] <sommer> mathiaz: great thanks
[16:27] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to review the ldap section of the server guide
[16:28] <sommer> I think that's pretty much all the news from me :)
[16:28] <mathiaz> sommer: great !
[16:28] <mathiaz> sections of the server guide that can be reviewed are listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidServerGuide
[16:29] <mathiaz> and reviews can be made from http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/
[16:30] <mathiaz> sommer: could you update the roadmap mentionning the review work ?
[16:30] <nealmcb> sommer, is there a section in other ubuntu guides on support?  seems like the story is the same for all editions
[16:30] <sommer> mathiaz: sure, will do
[16:30] <nealmcb> except for the lenght of time it is supported
[16:31] <mathiaz> sommer: so that potential contributors can dive in quickly
[16:31] <sommer> nealmcb: nope that's a new section
[16:31] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to specify the review work on the Roadmap
[16:31] <nealmcb> and e.g. desktop guide doesn't mention it?
[16:32] <mathiaz> nealmcb: you may wanna ask the ubuntu-doc team about it
[16:33]  * nealmcb nods
[16:33] <sommer> nealmcb: ya, it may just have never came up before, or at least the commercial side of things
[16:33] <mathiaz> nealmcb: the desktop guide is actually used by yelp - so I'm not sure if it would be usefull there
[16:33] <nealmcb> mathiaz: ?
[16:34] <mathiaz> nealmcb: hm - it's up to the desktop guide author - I think the ubuntu-doc team is the best ressource to ask
[16:35] <mathiaz> let's move on.
[16:35]  * nealmcb nods
[16:35] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] # Server survey: official server online, call for volunteers for a last test and to prepare annoucement.
[16:35] <mathiaz> nijaba: ^ ?
[16:35] <nijaba> IS has finally provided us with a host for the server survey! \o/
[16:35] <nijaba> I should have a RC of the survey by the end of the week
[16:35] <nijaba> I would need some volunteers to check that everything is fine before the launch and start the announce as planned on the wiki.
[16:35] <nijaba> I think a good launch date could be mon sept 22nd.
[16:36]  * sommer volunteers
[16:36] <mathiaz> nijaba: great ! I think owh was interested in that
[16:36] <mathiaz> nijaba: you may wanna get back to him
[16:37] <mathiaz> nijaba: should volunteer just email you ?
[16:37] <nijaba> mathiaz: sure
[16:38] <mathiaz> nijaba: great - anything else on this subject ?
[16:38] <nijaba> mathiaz: not unless someone has something to add
[16:39] <mathiaz> nijaba: did you add some questions to the survey ?
[16:39] <mathiaz> nijaba: or the questions are the same as the ones back in may ?
[16:39] <nijaba> mathiaz: yes I did add the question from Redmonk, our partner, still waiting for something from Intel
[16:40] <nijaba> but the survey will not be delayed further waiting for this
[16:40] <mathiaz> nijaba: ok. Thanks.
[16:40] <mathiaz> let's move on to review the Roadmap
[16:41] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap#Documentor%20corner
[16:41] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
[16:41] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] UFW Package Integration
[16:41] <mathiaz> jdstrand: what's the state ?
[16:41] <mathiaz> jdstrand: it seems that things are moving well - most of the packages have been updated
[16:42] <jdstrand> ufw was uploaded before feature freeze
[16:42]  * nijaba hugs didrocks and nxvl for their work - awesome
[16:42] <jdstrand> also, thanks to didrocks and nxvl, all packages from the server tasksel list have been updated
[16:43] <jdstrand> and uploaded before FF
[16:44] <mathiaz> jdstrand: great - so I guess that's we're done for this cycle on the package integration front
[16:44] <mathiaz> jdstrand: ie we're not trying to add support for ufw to more packages
[16:44] <jdstrand> mathiaz: mostly-- there I a couple bugs to fix, but they are not FF dependent
[16:44] <jdstrand> s/I/are/
[16:45] <mathiaz> jdstrand: ok - is there anything to be done on the documentation front ?
[16:45] <nijaba> mathiaz: integration with ufw is a feature or a bug?
[16:45] <mathiaz> nijaba: a feature
[16:45] <nijaba> if the former, then we are stuck, right
[16:45] <jdstrand> but, yeah, we are in good shape. I think didrocks is planning on working on squid and postgresql
[16:46] <jdstrand> nijaba: I have been considering it a feature-- but at this point it is no more that a Suggests and a file dropped in /etc/ufw/applications.d
[16:46] <jdstrand> nijaba: caused I started using dpkg triggers. so additional packages could probably get an easy FFe
[16:47] <mathiaz> jdstrand: is the content of the server guide up-to-date ?
[16:47] <nijaba> jdstrand: cool to know. so we may get a few addt'l packages before release
[16:47] <mathiaz> jdstrand: I notice there is a section about "ufw Application integration"
[16:47] <nijaba> Koon: did you add the definition for ufw in Tomcat?
[16:47] <jdstrand> nijaba: if you want to add some suggested packages to ServerTeam/Roadmap#UFW Package Integration, then maybe people will pick them up. I'd be happy to sponsor them
[16:47] <Koon> nijaba: no
[16:48] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I haven't reviewed it, but sommer and I talked about it some last week
[16:48] <nijaba> jdstrand: adding Tomcat then ;)
[16:48] <sommer> jdstrand: mathiaz: yep, I made a few adjustments based on our discussion
[16:49] <mathiaz> sommer: great ! :)
[16:49] <mathiaz> anything else to add wrt to ufw ?
[16:49] <jdstrand> sommer: can you point me to it? I added a new option with the dpkg triggers changes, but it likely won't change anything you've done
[16:49] <jdstrand> mathiaz: as always, test and report bugs :)
[16:50] <mathiaz> jdstrand: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[16:50] <sommer> jdstrand: ^^ yep
[16:50] <jdstrand> cool
[16:50] <mathiaz> jdstrand: are you planning to do a review of the section ?
[16:50] <jdstrand> mathiaz: yes
[16:51] <mathiaz> [ACTION] jdstrand to review the firewall section of the ubuntu server guide
[16:51] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion.
[16:51]  * nijaba added tomcat and libvirt to the ufw package integration list
[16:52] <jdstrand> nijaba: hmm, libvirt will be hard cause of nat...
[16:52] <mathiaz> As you know, we're passed FeatureFreeze now - so we're shifting our efforts on bug fixing
[16:52] <mathiaz> and testing
[16:52] <jdstrand> nijaba: soren and I have had some discussions about it, but I haven't come up with something good yet
[16:53] <mathiaz> alpha5 is also scheduled for thursday
[16:53] <nijaba> jdstrand: ok, I guess you are the best judge.
[16:53] <nijaba> but that would be very nice
[16:53] <mathiaz> so iso testing will be done in the next two days
[16:53] <jdstrand> oh I agree, but the ufw command doesn't do nat yet at all
[16:53] <nijaba> specially if that can be done at the same time kirkland's meta packages get in
[16:54] <nijaba> I would call for a ****group hug of mathiaz****, whom has been shaken a bit lately on ubuntu-devel.  It was way too hard for all the good work that was put to it.
[16:55]  * kirkland hugs
[16:55]  * nijaba hugs mathiaz
[16:55] <jdstrand> nijaba: for nat and other fancy stuff, need to update /etc/ufw/*rules manually, there *may* be an improvement on that front, if the gui-ufw folks have anything to say about it
[16:55]  * Koon hugs mathiaz
[16:55]  * zul hugs mathiaz 
[16:55]  * sommer also gives matiaz a big hug
[16:55]  * jdstrand gives mathiaz a big hug
[16:55]  * nealmcb hugs mathiaz and neilw for moving things forward on the rubygems front
[16:56] <mathiaz> thanks guys ! :)
[16:56] <nijaba> yes, neilw deserves a hug as well!
[16:56] <mathiaz> anything else ?
[16:57]  * nealmcb wonders about mail and spam stuff - updates from scottk?
[16:58] <mathiaz> @schedule
[16:58] <ubottu> Error: Please don't use @schedule during a meeting
[16:59] <mathiaz> nealmcb: it seems that all of the MIR have been written
[16:59] <mathiaz> nealmcb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamavSpamassassinInMain
[16:59] <nealmcb> :)
[16:59] <nijaba> \o/
[16:59] <mathiaz> sommer: wrote most of them
[16:59]  * nealmcb hugs sommer
[16:59]  * nijaba too
[17:00]  * nealmcb sends props to scottk
[17:00] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time.
[17:01] <mathiaz> next week, same place, same time ?
[17:01] <sommer> oh ya, that project should be good
[17:01] <nijaba> +1
[17:01] <Koon> wfm
[17:01] <sommer> me too :)
[17:02] <mathiaz> exzellentes - see ya all next week - don't forget iso testing of alpha5 images !
[17:02] <mathiaz> #endmeeting