20080930

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Agenda

Items we will be discussing:

  • Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
  • Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap.

  • Open Discussion.
  • Agree on next meeting date and time.

Minutes

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, October 7th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

[16:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <soren> kirkland: Maybe.
[16:02] <soren> kirkland: :P
[16:02] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:02] <nealmcb> I thought dendrobates had spiked sideburns
[16:02] <mathiaz> Previous meeting minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080923
[16:02] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu vm builder
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu vm builder
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: what's new there ?
[16:03] <soren> New version uploaded with lots fixes in it.
[16:03] <soren> Erm..
[16:03] <soren> No big news, I'm afraid.
[16:03] <mathiaz> nijaba: how is the tutorial update going ?
[16:04] <nijaba> mathiaz: I just completed it, fixing/finding a few bugs as I go
[16:04] <mathiaz> soren: IIRC you've added xen support to vmbuilder
[16:04] <nijaba> mathiaz: but I think that, apart from a few changes, the general content is there and I'd love to get some feedback
[16:04] <mathiaz> soren: do you have access to a xen environment to do the testing ?
[16:05] <mathiaz> nijaba: url ?
[16:05] <soren> mathiaz: That was weeks ago, though.
[16:05] <soren> mathiaz: Yes, I have Xen running inside a KVM instance :)
[16:05] <zul> soren: scarey
[16:05] <nijaba> has not changed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOSVMBuilder
[16:05] <soren> mathiaz: zul and I have been trying to get Xenner to be useful, but it's not working out very well.
[16:05] <nijaba> Xenner?
[16:06] <soren> Xenner is a twisted version of KVM that can run Xen paravirt instances.
[16:06] <zul> xen built ontop of kvm
[16:06] <mathiaz> soren: is there support for vmware in vmbuilder ?
[16:06] <zul> soren: a version of it will be in the next version of xen
[16:06] <soren> It's rather... umm... interesting *cough*.
[16:06] <soren> mathiaz: There is, yes.
[16:07] <mathiaz> soren: do you have access to vmware environment to test it ?
[16:07] <nijaba> but no virtual box yet, I think that's the main one missing
[16:07] <soren> mathiaz: Nope.
[16:07] <nijaba> (even though it is not a priority)
[16:07] <soren> nijaba: Right. Someone asked me about that yesterday.
[16:08] <mathiaz> soren: are all product of vmware supported ?
[16:08] <mathiaz> soren: like ESX, -server, etc... ?
[16:08] <soren> nijaba: I told him that if he could explain how to turn a set of raw images and some settings (amount of ram, cpu's, etc.) into a vbox instance, I'd be happy to implement it.
[16:08] <soren> nijaba: We'll see how it goes.
[16:08] <soren> mathiaz: I forget the details right now.
[16:09] <soren> mathiaz: It should support whatever ubuntu-vm-builder supported.
[16:09] <soren> If it doesn't, that's a bug that needs fixing.
[16:09] <nijaba> mathiaz: I am not sure we can support ESX fully with what qemu-img offers
[16:09] <mathiaz> soren: ok - anyway testing in vmware product is welcome.
[16:09] <nijaba> mathiaz: was the same for uvb
[16:09] <mathiaz> nijaba: ok.
[16:10] <mathiaz> it may be usefull to figure out which products/technologies are supported by vm-builder.
[16:10] <nijaba> player, workstation and server. For esx, it needs a manual conversion IIRC
[16:11] <nijaba> tools are provided by VMware
[16:11] <mathiaz> nijaba: thanks.
[16:11] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ServerGuide for Intrepid
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ServerGuide for Intrepid
[16:11] <mathiaz> sommer: did you update the virtualization section
[16:11] <mathiaz> ?
[16:12] <sommer> mathiaz: I added a couple of lines about xen, but I'm not sure it's quite where it needs to be
[16:12] <sommer> mathiaz: it'll be updated by SF though
[16:13] <nijaba> sommer: pointer to what you added?
[16:13] <mathiaz> zul: could you take a look at the seciont ?
[16:13] <mathiaz> zul: could you take a look at the virtualization section ?
[16:13] <zul> mathiaz: yep
[16:13] <sommer> nijaba: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ubuntu-vm-builder.html
[16:13] <mathiaz> zul: ^^
[16:14] <mathiaz> [ACTION] zul to do review of the virtualization of the server guide.
[16:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to do review of the virtualization of the server guide.
[16:14] <mathiaz> sommer: nijaba: shouldn't the JeOS section be removed ?
[16:15] <nijaba> mathiaz: or updated using what I just produced on the wiki?
[16:15] <dendrobates> mathiaz: or changed.
[16:15] <mathiaz> or at least updated as there won't be JeOS iso
[16:15] <mathiaz> dendrobates: IIUC JeOS is now an option in the -server iso
[16:15] <soren> That's the idea, yes.
[16:15] <nijaba> mathiaz: or an option in vmbuilder
[16:16] <mathiaz> how do you get to install a JeOS from -server ?
[16:16] <nijaba> (as soon as we find a virtual kernel for intrpid)
[16:16] <nijaba> mathiaz: press F4 at first screen
[16:17] <mathiaz> which kernel flavour is currently installed ?
[16:17] <nijaba> for some reason, there is no linux-image-virtual kernel available in intrepid ATM
[16:17] <mathiaz> since -virtual doesn't exist
[16:17] <soren> Sure it does.
[16:17] <nijaba> mathiaz: -server
[16:17] <soren> I've filed a bug against linux-meta about the missing linux{,-image}-virtual packages.
[16:18] <dendrobates> soren: have you sent an email to pete about it?
[16:18] <soren> There *is* a virtual kernel flavour.
[16:18] <soren> dendrobates: Umm. No?
[16:18] <nijaba> soren: and is the 64bit version available as well?
[16:18] <soren> nijaba: Yes.
[16:18] <nijaba> so the only thinkg misssing is the meta packages....
[16:18] <soren> yes.
[16:18]  * nijaba puts too many letters...
[16:19] <mathiaz> soren: once the -virtual- packages are there, is there anything that needs to be changed in the installer to pick itup ?
[16:19] <soren> dendrobates: linux-image-2.6.27-4-virtual | 2.6.27-4.6 | intrepid/universe | amd64, i386
[16:19] <soren> Whoops, that wasn't for dendrobates.
[16:19] <soren> Whuh... Universe?
[16:19] <nijaba> mathiaz: some server-ship seeding?
[16:19] <soren> Yeah, we need to seed it.
[16:19] <mathiaz> soren: since as of now -server is installed in Jeos
[16:20] <soren> It needs seeding, but first a metapackage.
[16:20] <mathiaz> soren: right - and the installer will automatically choose it
[16:20] <soren> mathiaz: Erm.. No.
[16:20] <soren> mathiaz: Not the -virtual kernel.
[16:20] <dendrobates> I want to make sure someone looks at the bug.
[16:21] <mathiaz> soren: ok - so -virtual- needs to be seeded + the installer has to be modified.
[16:21] <soren> mathiaz: I'm working on a "detect which virtual environment I'm in, if any" utility.
[16:21] <soren> I'm going to get that added to base-installer for Jaunty.
[16:21] <mathiaz> soren: for intrepid or beyond ?
[16:21] <soren> mathiaz: I'm not sure about changing the installer.
[16:22] <soren> The option you get in isn't called "JeOS". It's called "Minimal install".
[16:22] <mathiaz> soren: ok - so that means we still need to fix or at least look into the JeOS option for the intrepid installer
[16:22] <soren> Which, apart from the kernel choice, is the same thing.
[16:22] <nijaba> soren, in fact, it is not a real JeOS iso replacement...
[16:22] <soren> ..but it's preseedable, which was the original requirement (back in the gutsy days).
[16:22] <soren> nijaba: -v
[16:23] <nijaba> Well, the JeOS iso would install the -virtual kernel by default, so picking minimal install is not a replacement for it
[16:24] <mathiaz> nijaba: so the minimal install for -server intrepid isos installs the same set of packages than JeOS ?
[16:25] <mathiaz> nijaba: what's missing is the -virtual- kernel packages for now ?
[16:25] <soren> nijaba: That's what I just said?
[16:25] <soren> 15:22:19 < soren> Which, apart from the kernel choice, is the same thing.
[16:25] <soren> mathiaz: Yes, apart from the kernel, the choice of packages is (or should be) the same.
[16:26] <mathiaz> soren: ok.
[16:26] <mathiaz> let's move on.
[16:26] <soren> Let's.
[16:26] <mathiaz> sommer: anything else on the server guide ?
[16:26] <sommer> so the jeos section needs updated, and probably the installation section?
[16:26] <mathiaz> sommer: I've given you some feedback on the ldap serction
[16:26] <sommer> mathiaz: yep... still need to adjust that
[16:27] <dendrobates> mathiaz: did you give sommer feedback on the support section, that we discussed?
[16:27] <sommer> mathiaz: was the ldapadd instead of slapadd the only thing?
[16:27] <mathiaz> sommer: not yet
[16:27] <mathiaz> dendrobates: not yet.
[16:27] <dendrobates> mathiaz: you had wanted some changes, that I agreed with.
[16:28] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to update the support section of the server guide
[16:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to update the support section of the server guide
[16:28] <mathiaz> sommer: yes
[16:28] <sommer> mathiaz: cool
[16:28] <mathiaz> sommer: I still wanna go through the rest of the section and test it.
[16:28] <mathiaz> sommer: there are some sub-sections about replication and so on.
[16:29] <mathiaz> sommer: I wonder if it's too advanced for the server guide.
[16:29] <sommer> mathiaz: ya, cn=config does add some more complexity
[16:29] <mathiaz> sommer: we could probably mention that it exists and point to the openldap guide
[16:29] <mathiaz> sommer: upstream documentation is good
[16:30] <sommer> mathiaz: I think it's pretty important to have replication in... having only a single LDAP server on a network is sort of scary
[16:31] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to update the JeOS and installation section
[16:31] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer to update the JeOS and installation section
[16:31] <mathiaz> sommer: right - IIRC upstream documentation may lack some real world ldif files to setup replication.
[16:31] <mathiaz> sommer: I'll go through the section and test it
[16:32] <sommer> mathiaz: ya, and it's not really very clear on adding schema ldif files
[16:32] <mathiaz> sommer: anything else ?
[16:32] <sommer> mathiaz: I think that's it
[16:32] <mathiaz> sommer: great - thanks !
[16:32] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] nagios3 in main
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  nagios3 in main
[16:32] <mathiaz> Koon: ^^ ?
[16:32] <mathiaz> Koon: I think it's fixed now ?
[16:33] <Koon> mathiaz: I posted the MIR, which wasn't really needed, then nagios3 was promoted
[16:33] <Koon> and you added it to the server-ship seed
[16:33] <mathiaz> and it's on the -server cd now ! :D
[16:33] <nijaba> server-ship?
[16:33] <mathiaz> nijaba: yes
[16:33]  * nijaba wonders why, but fine
[16:34] <mathiaz> nijaba: nagios2 was there
[16:34] <nijaba> mathiaz: ah, makes sense then
[16:34] <soren> Well, it wasn't, actually.
[16:34] <Koon> yep
[16:34] <mathiaz> nijaba: I've just s/nagios2/nagios3/
[16:34] <soren> ..but that was a mistake :)
[16:34] <Koon> soren: tss
[16:34] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server survey
[16:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server survey
[16:34] <mathiaz> nijaba: how is it going ?
[16:35] <nijaba> it is doing great
[16:35] <nijaba> more than 2000 full replies so far
[16:35] <nealmcb> :)
[16:35] <sommer> wow
[16:35] <mathiaz> nijaba: when do you plan to close the survey ?
[16:35] <nijaba> we get about 1/3 of the respondant that do not complete the survey, but that was expected
[16:36] <nijaba> mathiaz: result will be published before UDS, so I intend to close it last week of november
[16:36]  * nijaba looking for people knowing how to use a SPSS type tool
[16:36] <mathiaz> nijaba: seems that the marketing plan is working well.
[16:37] <nijaba> mathiaz: yes, it is.
[16:37] <mathiaz> anyone that wants to blog about it is welcome.
[16:37] <nijaba> there are also some items left to do in the launch plan
[16:37] <mathiaz> it was announced last thursday - and there is a digg link IIRC
[16:37] <nijaba> yes, but that is not getting too much digging
[16:37] <kirkland> please splat the digg link here, now
[16:38] <kirkland> i'll digg+1 it :-)
[16:38] <nijaba> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Server_survey_launched
[16:38] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Server_survey_launched
[16:38] <kirkland> done
[16:38] <nealmcb> nijaba: I've played with R in the past - very powerful, if confusing.  scipy also does a lot
[16:39] <kirkland> i'll blog something too
[16:39] <nijaba> nealmcb: are you voluntering to help on the analysis?
[16:39] <nijaba> ;)
[16:39] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to blog about the server survey
[16:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to blog about the server survey
[16:40]  * nealmcb gets a digg in
[16:40] <nealmcb> nijaba: yes
[16:40]  * nijaba hugs nealmcb
[16:40] <nealmcb> I'm not an expert with stats or surveys, but will do what I can
[16:40] <mathiaz> nijaba: great - anything else on the survey ?
[16:41] <nijaba> nope...
[16:41] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Beta Freeze
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[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Beta Freeze
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[16:41] <mathiaz> so we're in beta freeze and the -server isos for beta have been produced.
[16:41] <mathiaz> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is used to track the tests.
[16:41] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is used to track the tests.
[16:41]  * ivoks o/
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[16:42] <mathiaz> on a related note, partman-auto-raid has been promoted to main and is now available on the iso
[16:42] <zul> what does that do again?
[16:42] <mathiaz> so preseeded installs can now setup a RAID system
[16:42] <zul> ah
[16:43] <kirkland> \o/
[16:43] <mathiaz> It requires some testing though.
[16:43] <ivoks> iirc, it is usable
[16:43] <ivoks> at least it was when i worked on that... a year ago (or more) :)
[16:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: well - it has never been tested in ubuntu.
[16:43] <ivoks> right
[16:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: It works in debian.
[16:44] <nijaba> an is the option to have a sane boot degraded mode preseedable as well?
[16:44] <nijaba> s/an/and
[16:44] <soren> Yes. It's been the default for years.
[16:45] <soren> :p
[16:45] <nijaba> :P
[16:45] <mathiaz> nijaba: kirkland implemented it - he should know about it.
[16:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: sadly, i have little experience with preseeding, so I don't know
[16:46] <nijaba> kirkland: is it a debconf question?
[16:46] <kirkland> nijaba: yup
[16:46] <soren> kirkland: presseding means answering debconf questions ahead of time.
[16:46] <ivoks> kirkland: you are so lucky... :)
[16:46] <nijaba> so it should work fine
[16:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok - so it's preseedable.
[16:46] <kirkland> awesome
[16:47] <soren> For bonus points, someone should tweak kickseed to handle this..
[16:47]  * nealmcb pats kirkland on the back
[16:47] <ivoks> that shouldn't be too hard
[16:47] <nijaba> soren: err... kickstart?
[16:47] <soren> kickseed.
[16:47] <ivoks> no, seed
[16:47] <ivoks> kickstart doesn't know anything about preseeding
[16:47] <mathiaz> nijaba: kickseed is the name of the kickstart implementation for the Ubuntu installer
[16:48] <nijaba> ivoks: yup, but you can add preseeds to it
[16:48] <soren> nijaba: kickseed is an installer component that lets you pass a kickstart file to d-i and then it translates it into the corresponding preseed values.
[16:48]  * nijaba used it without know its name...
[16:48] <mathiaz> ivoks: kickseed has a hook to add preseed command in the kickstart file
[16:49]  * nijaba confirms that it is VERY usefull
[16:49] <ivoks> ok... i always used kickstart file + preseed file - i guess i'm outdated :)
[16:50] <mathiaz> so if you've got some spare server hardware, testing the -server iso for Beta is more than welcome!
[16:50] <mathiaz> Beta is schedule for Thursday.
[16:51] <ivoks> ok :)
[16:51] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:51] <mathiaz> anyone wants to add anything ?
[16:51] <ivoks> yes?
[16:51] <ivoks> am i allowed to twist arms of kernel team?
[16:51] <ivoks> :)
[16:52] <ivoks> we have very broken drbd implementation in intrepid
[16:52] <mathiaz> ivoks: on your behalf or on behalf of the server team ?
[16:52] <ivoks> this requires changes in kernel and new user space tools
[16:52] <ivoks> well, server team
[16:52] <nijaba> great calendar to add for the up to date release schedule:     http://people.ubuntu.com/~vorlon/UbuntuReleaseSchedule.ics
[16:52] <ivoks> the thing is that we have to ship release candidate of drbd 2.8.7
[16:52] <mathiaz> ivoks: what is required on the kernel side ?
[16:53] <ivoks> since stable release doesn't work on 2.6.27, and changes are huge
[16:53] <mathiaz> ivoks: do you have a bug number?
[16:53] <ivoks> this also means that we'll have user space tools from debian experimental
[16:53] <ivoks> yes
[16:54] <ivoks> bug #271254
[16:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 271254 in drbd8 "drbd doesn't start: "No response from the DRBD driver! Is the module loaded?" but module is loaded" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271254
[16:54] <ivoks> i've been working on this for last 3-4 days and i have a working solution - drbd 2.8.7~rc1
[16:55] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/0001-UBUNTU-drbd-New-upstream-prerelease-2.8.7-rc1.patch
[16:55] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/0001-UBUNTU-drbd-New-upstream-prerelease-2.8.7-rc1.patch
[16:55] <ivoks> this is a patch for kernel
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[16:55] <mathiaz> ivoks: I'm confused by the version numbers.
[16:55] <zul> i had a look at the kernel patch and it looks fine to me
[16:55] <mathiaz> ivoks: 2.8.7 or 8.2.7 ?
[16:55] <ivoks> 8.2.7
[16:55] <zul> mathiaz: 8.2.7
[16:55] <ivoks> sorry, my mistake
[16:55] <ivoks> i'll fix that
[16:56] <mathiaz> ivoks: as of now, 8.2.6 doesn't work in 2.6.27 ?
[16:56] <ivoks> correct
[16:56] <ivoks> opensuse has the same problem
[16:56] <nealmcb> ivoks: thanks for figuring all that out!
[16:56] <mathiaz> ivoks: could it be possible to fix 8.2.6 ?
[16:56] <mathiaz> ivoks: or 8.2.7 is the only viable option ?
[16:57] <zul> basically what happened is that we have 8.0.12 in the archive and the kernel has 8.2.6 which doesnt work well together and if you use 8.2.6. kernel/user then it wont work as well
[16:57] <ivoks> mathiaz: i've looked at commit, for which drbd guys say that fixes the issue
[16:57] <ivoks> it simply depends on too many changes to just go cherry picking
[16:58] <ivoks> in my opinoion, 8.2.7 is a way to go
[16:58] <mathiaz> zul: ok - so 8.2.6 is broken - 8.2.7rc1 works
[16:58] <zul> mathiaz: yes
[16:59] <mathiaz> ivoks: could the kernel be downgraded to 8.0.12 ?
[16:59] <ivoks> i haven't tested 8.0.12 with 2.6.17
[16:59] <zul> mathiaz: Ive talked to kernel guys about that before I got ivoks involved and they didnt think it was a good idea
[17:00] <mathiaz> right - so it seems that 8.2.7rc1 is the best option as the current situation is broken
[17:00] <ivoks> right
[17:01] <nealmcb> zul: and thanks to you too...  looks like it might be one of those costs of going with the 2.6.27 kernel
[17:01] <ivoks> we can do this changes after beta is out...
[17:01] <mathiaz> ivoks: do you have 8.2.7 tools in a ppa ?
[17:01] <dendrobates> ivoks: is there a bug #
[17:01] <ivoks> nealmcb: yes, it's exactly that...
[17:01] <mathiaz> dendrobates: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drbd8/+bug/271254
[17:01] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 271254 in drbd8 "drbd doesn't start: "No response from the DRBD driver! Is the module loaded?" but module is loaded" [High,Confirmed]
[17:01] <ivoks> mathiaz: no, but i'm working on it... upstream alredy provides debian/, so i'll just compare to our and debian source
[17:02] <mathiaz> ivoks: you've mentionned debian experimental.
[17:02] <ivoks> yes
[17:02] <ivoks> mathiaz: debian experimental has 8.2.6
[17:02] <mathiaz> ivoks: I think the key point here is to have the tools in a PPA so that we can show that 8.2.7 is working correctly.
[17:02] <ivoks> mathiaz: i agree
[17:03] <ivoks> mathiaz: i have 8.2.6 in my ppa, but i'll move it to 8.2.7 today
[17:03] <mathiaz> ivoks: excellent. then once we're out of beta, we can update the kernel.
[17:03] <mathiaz> ivoks: IIUC you've also the kernel part ready ?
[17:04] <mathiaz> ivoks: ie a git branch ready ?
[17:04] <ivoks> mathiaz: correct
[17:04] <ivoks> yes
[17:04] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/0001-UBUNTU-drbd-New-upstream-prerelease-2.8.7-rc1.patch
[17:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/0001-UBUNTU-drbd-New-upstream-prerelease-2.8.7-rc1.patch
[17:04] <zul> ivoks: just send the patch off to the kernel-t-eam mailing list is is the proper procedure
[17:04] <mathiaz> ivoks: zul: is it possible to upload a modified kernel to a PPA ?
[17:04] <ivoks> why not?
[17:05] <mathiaz> ivoks: I don't know - that's why I'm asking :D
[17:05] <zul> mathiaz: it can be done sure...
[17:05] <ivoks> if not, i can setup archive outside ppa
[17:05] <mathiaz> ivoks: to point is to get wider testing ASAP
[17:05] <mathiaz> ivoks: KernelFreeze will be in two weeks for Intrepid.
[17:05] <ivoks> i know
[17:05] <mathiaz> ivoks: so we won't have that many uploads to test/fix things.
[17:05] <ivoks> sorry, i didn't have time untill a week ago :(
[17:05] <zul> mathiaz: its best to send off the patch asap
[17:06] <mathiaz> zul: ok
[17:06] <ivoks> zul: with fixed typo
[17:06] <mathiaz> [ACTION] ivoks to send the drbd patch to the ubuntu-kernel mailing list
[17:06] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ivoks to send the drbd patch to the ubuntu-kernel mailing list
[17:06] <zul> ivoks: yep
[17:07] <mathiaz> [ACTION] ivoks to upload 8.2.7 tools to a PPA
[17:07] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ivoks to upload 8.2.7 tools to a PPA
[17:07] <mathiaz> ivoks: ^^ that will help for sponsoring
[17:07] <ivoks> and kernel source
[17:07] <ivoks> i know
[17:08] <ivoks> easier to track changes
[17:08] <mathiaz> ivoks: excellent ! Thanks for the good work
[17:08] <mathiaz> Anything else to add ?
[17:08] <ivoks> yes :)
[17:08] <ivoks> bacula :)
[17:08] <ivoks> bacula in hardy isn't in very good shape
[17:09] <ivoks> we've missed a .1 release cause of one bug
[17:09] <ivoks> upstream claims that bug is fixed, but our bug reporter claims it isn't
[17:09] <mathiaz> ivoks: .1 - you mean 8.04.1 ?
[17:09] <ivoks> right
[17:09] <mathiaz> ivoks: well - we can still fix things in hardy.
[17:10] <ivoks> what's the procedure if our bug reporter doesn't reply to bug report, while upstream claims that bug is fixed?
[17:10] <nijaba> ivoks: I would tend to beleive waht kern said and check if the 2 patches he mentioned were actually applied
[17:10] <ivoks> since, for SRU, we need validation-confirmed
[17:10] <ivoks> and there's no one to confirm it :)
[17:10] <mathiaz> ivoks: what's the bug number ?
[17:11] <ivoks> just a second...
[17:11] <mathiaz> ivoks: for SRU we also need a test case - so that we can reproduce it
[17:11] <ivoks> bug #227613
[17:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 227613 in bacula "[SRU] SIGSEGV in bacula-fd" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227613
[17:13] <mathiaz> ivoks: hm - it seems that we have test case that is repoducable
[17:14] <mathiaz> ivoks: zul: were you able to reproduce it or not ?
[17:14] <ivoks> well, it just seems
[17:14] <ivoks> neither can i or upstream reproduce this bug :)
[17:14] <zul> mathiaz: no i wasnt
[17:15] <mathiaz> ivoks: well - in that case, we can only rely on the reporter or one of the tester.
[17:15] <ivoks> and the bug reporter on bacula's buglist confirmed that this patch solved the issue
[17:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok - it seems that it's a corner case though
[17:16] <ivoks> ok, so we wait for bug reporter to confirm it is fixed?
[17:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: in this case we rely on the rporter
[17:16] <ivoks> ok
[17:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: yes - I'd proceed that way.
[17:17] <ivoks> that's what i tought... :)
[17:17] <mathiaz> ok - we're over time now.
[17:17] <mathiaz> Anything else ?
[17:18] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[17:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[17:18] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place ?
[17:18] <ivoks> ok
[17:18] <sommer> works for me
[17:19] <mathiaz> great - so see ya all next week, same time, here.
[17:19] <mathiaz> happy beta testing all !
[17:19] <mathiaz> #endmeeting