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Agenda

Items we will be discussing:

  • Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
  • Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap.

  • As trafic increases on #ubuntu-server, is it time to create a #ubuntu-server-dev chan? - nijaba
  • Open Discussion.
  • Agree on next meeting date and time.

Minutes

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, June 24th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

[16:13] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:13] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:13. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:13] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:13] <nealmcb> o/
[16:13] <nijaba> o/
[16:13] <Koon> \o
[16:13] <mathiaz> Today's exceptional agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:14] <mathiaz> Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20081014
[16:14] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] python-vm-builder
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  python-vm-builder
[16:14] <mathiaz> So I've started to look at python-vm-builder.
[16:14] <mathiaz> And did a lot of testing.
[16:14] <mathiaz> Things are in good shape. The last bit I'm testing is the ec2 plugin.
[16:15] <mathiaz> I'm able to boot an instance, but not able to ssh in
[16:15] <zul> did you install ssh?
[16:15] <mathiaz> nijaba: thanks for all the hard work you've put in fixing the bugs
[16:15] <mathiaz> zul: yes.
[16:15] <mathiaz> zul: I may ask some help later on this part.
[16:15] <nijaba> mathiaz: a learning treasure and pleasure while soren was away
[16:15] <zul> mathiaz: okies
[16:16] <mathiaz> soren: did you have some time to review all the changes to vmbuilder?
[16:16] <mathiaz> soren: do you want to do the upload?
[16:18] <soren> I'd like to to the upload, but I've not caught up yet.
[16:18] <soren> I still have 25 commits to look through.
[16:18] <mathiaz> soren: ok - the deadline is thursday
[16:18]  * soren nods
[16:18] <mathiaz> soren: IMO we'll have to ask for a FFe as we're introducing the ec2 public.;
[16:18] <mathiaz> soren: other than that everything looks like bug fixes
[16:19] <zul> soren: yeah nijaba has been a busy little beaver
[16:19] <soren> mathiaz: Sort of.
[16:19] <soren> mathiaz: The ec2 plugin is already in the version in the archive.
[16:19] <nijaba> mathiaz: ec2 plugin was there in v2
[16:19] <mathiaz> ah - hm- ok then
[16:19] <nijaba> mathiaz: we added missing parameters, to fix bugs
[16:19] <mathiaz> then I don't think we've added new features
[16:20] <nijaba> mathiaz: I had to refrain myself ;)
[16:20] <mathiaz> that's all I have on vmbuilder
[16:20] <mathiaz> zul: nijaba: anything else?
[16:20] <nijaba> mathiaz: nope
[16:20] <ScottK> So is the ec2-ami-tools upload that was just done only bugfix?
[16:21] <zul> nope
[16:21] <zul> mathiaz: nope
[16:21] <zul> the ec2-ami-tools was the tools for ec2
[16:21] <nijaba> ScottK: but this had its own ffe
[16:21] <mathiaz> ScottK: which upload?
[16:21] <ScottK> New package: ec2-ami-tools (multiverse) [1.3-26357-0ubuntu3 → 1.3-26357-0ubuntu4]
[16:22] <ScottK> The ubuntu4 one
[16:22] <zul> thats me...I just uploaded a typo fix in a patch
[16:22] <ScottK> zul: OK.  I'll ask to get it accepted then.
[16:22] <zul> k thanks
[16:23] <mathiaz> ok. There are other things than need to be fixed.
[16:23] <mathiaz> zul: what did you fix?
[16:23] <zul> mathiaz: the upload bundle ruby script was pointing to the wrong directory
[16:23] <mathiaz> I've noticed that there is a curl dependency missing as well as a fix in the point-to-right-location patch
[16:24] <mathiaz> zul: ok - that's the second fix I'm talking about
[16:24] <mathiaz> ScottK: I'll do another upload to fix the curl dependency
[16:24] <zul> uhhh...ok
[16:25] <mathiaz> that's all from last week minutes
[16:25] <mathiaz> anything else to add?
[16:26] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on
[16:26] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] iscsi support for interpid
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  iscsi support for interpid
[16:26] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^?
[16:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: per dendrobates, this is too late for intrepid
[16:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok.
[16:27] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Iso testing
[16:27] <nijaba> kirkland: so we did not make any progress since the support provided n hardy, right.
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Iso testing
[16:27] <kirkland> nijaba: not that i'm aware
[16:28] <kirkland> nijaba: i have had almost zero cycles to devote iscsi
[16:28] <nijaba> kirkland: np, just wanted to be sure`
[16:28] <mathiaz> so iso candidates for RC have been published
[16:29] <mathiaz> and testing them is welcomed
[16:29] <mathiaz> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:29] <mathiaz> this is the place where we track our results
[16:29] <nijaba> mathiaz: I've added a couple test cases for JeOS/F4
[16:29] <mathiaz> test cases have been updated
[16:29] <mathiaz> nijaba: when?
[16:30] <nijaba> mathiaz: last week
[16:30] <mathiaz> nijaba: ok - they've been added to the tracker now
[16:30] <nijaba> mathiaz: yes they have
[16:30] <mathiaz> we have 14 test cases to cover for 2 isos
[16:31] <mathiaz> I've got some more testing scenarios, especially related to raid installation
[16:31] <mathiaz> as of now I was only able to do one raid installation that was successful (raid1 on i386)
[16:31] <mathiaz> all the others have failed
[16:32] <mathiaz> so if someone could also do some test on raid install that would be helpful
[16:32] <sommer> I should have some time to do raid on i386
[16:33] <mathiaz> sommer: try to do a manual install of raid0 and raid5 then
[16:33] <sommer> sure
[16:33] <mathiaz> sommer: if you have enough hd for raid5 of course
[16:33] <sommer> mathiaz: I think I should
[16:33] <mathiaz> I'm doing all my tests with vms
[16:34] <mathiaz> sommer: I'd like to know if this is an issue with virtualization or with the installer
[16:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: ?
[16:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: raid installs are failing?
[16:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes - automated raid installs are failing
[16:34] <soren> .(
[16:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: and manual raid installs?
[16:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: amd64 fails because the partitions are wrong (while i386 with the same setup works)
[16:35]  * kirkland downloading iso's now
[16:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: haven't tried manual raid installs
[16:35] <mathiaz> testing manual raid install would be helpful
[16:36] <kirkland> i'm on it
[16:36] <mathiaz> kirkland: and then i386 raid0 and raid5 get the installer stuck
[16:36] <mathiaz> anyway - that's what I had to say wrt to iso testing.
[16:37] <mathiaz> of course if you have hardware available testing a bare-bone install is welcome (making sure the hw is correctly supported)
[16:37] <kirkland> my tests will be on vm's
[16:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: but i'll test manual raid on amd64
[16:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: raid1, raid0, raid5
[16:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: awesome - thanks.
[16:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: let me know of the results.
[16:37] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] RC bugs
[16:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  RC bugs
[16:37] <mathiaz> anyone discovered Release Critical bugs?
[16:38] <Koon> nope
[16:39] <mathiaz> ok - keep searching then ;)
[16:39] <Koon> I will.
[16:39] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] ubuntu-server-devel channel
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  ubuntu-server-devel channel
[16:39] <mathiaz> nijaba: ^^
[16:40] <mathiaz> seems that traffic is increasing in #ubuntu-server
[16:40] <nijaba> I was wondering if now would be a good time to create a separate server channel for devel
[16:40] <mathiaz> and it may be worth creating a -devel channel for ubuntu-server
[16:40] <mathiaz> what do people think about this?
[16:40] <nijaba> I feel sorry for user asking for help when we are chatting about devel and not answering their question
[16:40] <kirkland> hmm....
[16:41] <ScottK> nijaba: Alternatively they'd just get silence.
[16:41] <nijaba> at the same time it may divide our community
[16:41] <nijaba> ScottK: right...
[16:41] <ScottK> I think the problem isn't needing a different channel, but needing more people willing to answer support questions.
[16:41] <kirkland> i'd say move that particular conversation to #ubuntu-devel, if it's a problem
[16:41] <nealmcb> I don't notice an overload of traffic, and with server users they often are interested in some devel topics also. but I could go either way
[16:41] <ScottK> Personally, if you split the channel, I'd just be on -devel
[16:41] <kirkland> my gut reaction is to wince at another irc channel
[16:42] <nijaba> ok, bad idea then
[16:42] <kirkland> i agree with ScottK's note that "answering support questions" is a real issue
[16:42]  * nealmcb nods
[16:42] <sommer> seems like they pick up as release date gets closer
[16:43] <nijaba> most of us do, when we can, but it is not always the highest prio
[16:43] <kirkland> nijaba: right... and too many questions are flamebait and traps
[16:43]  * nealmcb has been working around the clock on electionaudits so has been less helpful recently
[16:44] <kirkland> nijaba: seems that some people just want to the opportunity to tell a bunch of linux developers, "Fine, I'm going back to Windows/Mac/BSD"
[16:44] <ScottK> I find it odd they think that would bother us.
[16:44] <nijaba> kirkland: I'm not talking about *these*
[16:44] <kirkland> nijaba: ;-)
[16:45] <mathiaz> nijaba: IIUC your main concert is that questions are not answered while conversation is ongoing
[16:45] <mathiaz> nijaba: and that seems rude to the person asking for help
[16:45] <Koon> mathiaz: yep
[16:45] <nijaba> yes, gives me a strange feeling to ignore these guys
[16:45] <kirkland> nijaba: i can see that....
[16:46] <Koon> though that strange feeling migt not be worth risking more splitting of an already-thin community
[16:46] <nijaba> Koon: point fully taken
[16:47] <Koon> but I'm balanced.
[16:47] <nealmcb> yeah, it is easier when it is just totally silent and they can reread the topic :/
[16:47] <mathiaz> nijaba: one option would be to give a more generic answer to eh user
[16:47] <mathiaz> !volunter
[16:47] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volunter
[16:47] <mathiaz> !volunteer
[16:47] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volunteer
[16:47] <mathiaz> hm - there is such an answer in ubotu
[16:48] <mathiaz> I don't remember the correct key though
[16:48] <mathiaz> !patience
[16:48] <ubottu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[16:48] <nealmcb> :)
[16:48] <ScottK> Of course that's not entirely accurate.  Not all are volunteers.
[16:48] <ScottK> Are any of the Canonical server team tasked with answering support questions in #ubuntu-server?
[16:49] <sommer> IRC volunteers... sort of :)
[16:49] <soren> And answer are also always available. We're just keeping them secret.
[16:49] <nealmcb> right - if it noted that user support is on a volunteer basis that might be clearer
[16:49] <ScottK> Right.  Because our jobs depend on keeping the secrets ;-)
[16:49] <nealmcb> lol
[16:49] <kirkland> ScottK: Canonical sells support
[16:49] <ScottK> kirkland: I understand that.
[16:50] <kirkland> ScottK: none of us are tasked as community support volunteers
[16:50] <kirkland> ScottK: we do what we can, when we can to help
[16:50] <ScottK> As I'd expected, but I wanted to actually know rather than guess.
[16:50] <nijaba> but I do spend, as well of others, spend a lot of personal time one the chan
[16:50] <ScottK> Agreed.
[16:51] <mathiaz> all right -so it seems that creating another -devel channel is not really a good solution to the stated problem
[16:51] <nealmcb> so a factoid to reflect that might help - giving alternatives etc
[16:51] <nijaba> nealmcb: sounds like a good plan
[16:51] <mathiaz> isn't the topic already good on that point?
[16:52] <kirkland> a little verbose, if anything ;-)
[16:52] <nijaba> mathiaz: lots do not even read it, a factoid is more visible
[16:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - the second link to asking smart question may be removed
[16:53] <Koon> -ChanServ- [#ubuntu-server] Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and, sometimes, support)
[16:53] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on
[16:54] <mathiaz> I guess that the final outcome of this discussion is that we won't create a separate -devel channel
[16:54] <nijaba> yep
[16:54] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] UDS topics
[16:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS topics
[16:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: are you calling for topics?
[16:54] <mathiaz> Altought we are *all* testing the intrepid isos, some of us may have ideas for the next release cycle
[16:55] <mathiaz> If so, please add them to the IdeaPool from the server team wiki pages
[16:55] <nealmcb> hmmm - irc client died right after my last comment....
[16:55] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/IdeaPool
[16:56] <mathiaz> That page will be used as input for the UDS topics
[16:56] <mathiaz> dendrobates: will be watching this page closely.
[16:57] <mathiaz> dendrobates: anything else to add wrt to UDS topics?
[16:57] <dendrobates> mathiaz: not at this time.
[16:58] <mathiaz> okidoki
[16:58] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[16:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[16:58] <mathiaz> anything else to add?
[16:58] <mathiaz> speak up now
[16:58] <zul> blub blub
[16:59] <mathiaz> zul: is that a program you want to package for jaunty?
[17:00] <sommer> heh
[17:00] <zul> mathiaz: yes its a replacement for frozen bubble
[17:00] <kirkland> it better be *damn* good, if it's to replace FB
[17:00] <nijaba> zul: under the blub licence?  not sure it is GPL friendly
[17:00] <mathiaz> zul: you mean - you plan to remove frozen bubble from the archive in jaunty?
[17:01]  * kirkland draws his slingshot back........
[17:01] <zul> what? I dont want to be public enemy number 1
[17:01] <mathiaz> zul: that needs to be discussed at uds
[17:01] <mathiaz> zul: at least one slot, if not a whole day
[17:01]  * nijaba loading mentos
[17:01] <zul> heh
[17:01] <mathiaz> zul: you've opened a can of worms...
[17:02] <zul> didnt mean to ;(
[17:02] <mathiaz> all right - anything else to add?
[17:03] <mathiaz> nope
[17:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[17:03] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place?
[17:03] <nijaba> +1.02
[17:04] <zul> same bat channel?
[17:04] <sommer> o//
[17:04] <nealmcb> nijaba: sorry - that is an overvote....
[17:04] <ScottK> Is there going to be anything to meet about this time next week?
[17:04] <mathiaz> ScottK: well - I don't know.
[17:04] <nijaba> nealmcb: great, just testing your auditing algo
[17:04] <nealmcb> :)
[17:04] <mathiaz> ScottK: it may only a be a 5 minutes meeting.
[17:05] <ScottK> mathiaz: If we're going anything except ISO testing next week, we're in bug trouble.
[17:05] <sommer> there might be more jaunty ideas
[17:05] <mathiaz> ScottK: let's hope not. We'll meet next week to find out ;)
[17:05] <nijaba> dumrolls...
[17:06] <nijaba> drumrolls too
[17:06] <mathiaz> all right - so see you all next week, here, same time, same date.
[17:06] <mathiaz> and happy iso testing!
[17:07] <mathiaz> #endmeeting