20081021
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Agenda
Items we will be discussing:
- Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap.
- As trafic increases on #ubuntu-server, is it time to create a #ubuntu-server-dev chan? - nijaba
- Open Discussion.
- Agree on next meeting date and time.
Minutes
Agree on next meeting date and time
Next meeting will be on Tuesday, June 24th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.
Log
[16:13] <mathiaz> #startmeeting [16:13] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:13. The chair is mathiaz. [16:13] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:13] <nealmcb> o/ [16:13] <nijaba> o/ [16:13] <Koon> \o [16:13] <mathiaz> Today's exceptional agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:14] <mathiaz> Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20081014 [16:14] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] python-vm-builder [16:14] <MootBot> New Topic: python-vm-builder [16:14] <mathiaz> So I've started to look at python-vm-builder. [16:14] <mathiaz> And did a lot of testing. [16:14] <mathiaz> Things are in good shape. The last bit I'm testing is the ec2 plugin. [16:15] <mathiaz> I'm able to boot an instance, but not able to ssh in [16:15] <zul> did you install ssh? [16:15] <mathiaz> nijaba: thanks for all the hard work you've put in fixing the bugs [16:15] <mathiaz> zul: yes. [16:15] <mathiaz> zul: I may ask some help later on this part. [16:15] <nijaba> mathiaz: a learning treasure and pleasure while soren was away [16:15] <zul> mathiaz: okies [16:16] <mathiaz> soren: did you have some time to review all the changes to vmbuilder? [16:16] <mathiaz> soren: do you want to do the upload? [16:18] <soren> I'd like to to the upload, but I've not caught up yet. [16:18] <soren> I still have 25 commits to look through. [16:18] <mathiaz> soren: ok - the deadline is thursday [16:18] * soren nods [16:18] <mathiaz> soren: IMO we'll have to ask for a FFe as we're introducing the ec2 public.; [16:18] <mathiaz> soren: other than that everything looks like bug fixes [16:19] <zul> soren: yeah nijaba has been a busy little beaver [16:19] <soren> mathiaz: Sort of. [16:19] <soren> mathiaz: The ec2 plugin is already in the version in the archive. [16:19] <nijaba> mathiaz: ec2 plugin was there in v2 [16:19] <mathiaz> ah - hm- ok then [16:19] <nijaba> mathiaz: we added missing parameters, to fix bugs [16:19] <mathiaz> then I don't think we've added new features [16:20] <nijaba> mathiaz: I had to refrain myself ;) [16:20] <mathiaz> that's all I have on vmbuilder [16:20] <mathiaz> zul: nijaba: anything else? [16:20] <nijaba> mathiaz: nope [16:20] <ScottK> So is the ec2-ami-tools upload that was just done only bugfix? [16:21] <zul> nope [16:21] <zul> mathiaz: nope [16:21] <zul> the ec2-ami-tools was the tools for ec2 [16:21] <nijaba> ScottK: but this had its own ffe [16:21] <mathiaz> ScottK: which upload? [16:21] <ScottK> New package: ec2-ami-tools (multiverse) [1.3-26357-0ubuntu3 → 1.3-26357-0ubuntu4] [16:22] <ScottK> The ubuntu4 one [16:22] <zul> thats me...I just uploaded a typo fix in a patch [16:22] <ScottK> zul: OK. I'll ask to get it accepted then. [16:22] <zul> k thanks [16:23] <mathiaz> ok. There are other things than need to be fixed. [16:23] <mathiaz> zul: what did you fix? [16:23] <zul> mathiaz: the upload bundle ruby script was pointing to the wrong directory [16:23] <mathiaz> I've noticed that there is a curl dependency missing as well as a fix in the point-to-right-location patch [16:24] <mathiaz> zul: ok - that's the second fix I'm talking about [16:24] <mathiaz> ScottK: I'll do another upload to fix the curl dependency [16:24] <zul> uhhh...ok [16:25] <mathiaz> that's all from last week minutes [16:25] <mathiaz> anything else to add? [16:26] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on [16:26] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] iscsi support for interpid [16:26] <MootBot> New Topic: iscsi support for interpid [16:26] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^? [16:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: per dendrobates, this is too late for intrepid [16:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok. [16:27] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Iso testing [16:27] <nijaba> kirkland: so we did not make any progress since the support provided n hardy, right. [16:27] <MootBot> New Topic: Iso testing [16:27] <kirkland> nijaba: not that i'm aware [16:28] <kirkland> nijaba: i have had almost zero cycles to devote iscsi [16:28] <nijaba> kirkland: np, just wanted to be sure` [16:28] <mathiaz> so iso candidates for RC have been published [16:29] <mathiaz> and testing them is welcomed [16:29] <mathiaz> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [16:29] <MootBot> LINK received: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [16:29] <mathiaz> this is the place where we track our results [16:29] <nijaba> mathiaz: I've added a couple test cases for JeOS/F4 [16:29] <mathiaz> test cases have been updated [16:29] <mathiaz> nijaba: when? [16:30] <nijaba> mathiaz: last week [16:30] <mathiaz> nijaba: ok - they've been added to the tracker now [16:30] <nijaba> mathiaz: yes they have [16:30] <mathiaz> we have 14 test cases to cover for 2 isos [16:31] <mathiaz> I've got some more testing scenarios, especially related to raid installation [16:31] <mathiaz> as of now I was only able to do one raid installation that was successful (raid1 on i386) [16:31] <mathiaz> all the others have failed [16:32] <mathiaz> so if someone could also do some test on raid install that would be helpful [16:32] <sommer> I should have some time to do raid on i386 [16:33] <mathiaz> sommer: try to do a manual install of raid0 and raid5 then [16:33] <sommer> sure [16:33] <mathiaz> sommer: if you have enough hd for raid5 of course [16:33] <sommer> mathiaz: I think I should [16:33] <mathiaz> I'm doing all my tests with vms [16:34] <mathiaz> sommer: I'd like to know if this is an issue with virtualization or with the installer [16:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: ? [16:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: raid installs are failing? [16:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes - automated raid installs are failing [16:34] <soren> .( [16:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: and manual raid installs? [16:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: amd64 fails because the partitions are wrong (while i386 with the same setup works) [16:35] * kirkland downloading iso's now [16:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: haven't tried manual raid installs [16:35] <mathiaz> testing manual raid install would be helpful [16:36] <kirkland> i'm on it [16:36] <mathiaz> kirkland: and then i386 raid0 and raid5 get the installer stuck [16:36] <mathiaz> anyway - that's what I had to say wrt to iso testing. [16:37] <mathiaz> of course if you have hardware available testing a bare-bone install is welcome (making sure the hw is correctly supported) [16:37] <kirkland> my tests will be on vm's [16:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: but i'll test manual raid on amd64 [16:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: raid1, raid0, raid5 [16:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: awesome - thanks. [16:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: let me know of the results. [16:37] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] RC bugs [16:37] <MootBot> New Topic: RC bugs [16:37] <mathiaz> anyone discovered Release Critical bugs? [16:38] <Koon> nope [16:39] <mathiaz> ok - keep searching then ;) [16:39] <Koon> I will. [16:39] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] ubuntu-server-devel channel [16:39] <MootBot> New Topic: ubuntu-server-devel channel [16:39] <mathiaz> nijaba: ^^ [16:40] <mathiaz> seems that traffic is increasing in #ubuntu-server [16:40] <nijaba> I was wondering if now would be a good time to create a separate server channel for devel [16:40] <mathiaz> and it may be worth creating a -devel channel for ubuntu-server [16:40] <mathiaz> what do people think about this? [16:40] <nijaba> I feel sorry for user asking for help when we are chatting about devel and not answering their question [16:40] <kirkland> hmm.... [16:41] <ScottK> nijaba: Alternatively they'd just get silence. [16:41] <nijaba> at the same time it may divide our community [16:41] <nijaba> ScottK: right... [16:41] <ScottK> I think the problem isn't needing a different channel, but needing more people willing to answer support questions. [16:41] <kirkland> i'd say move that particular conversation to #ubuntu-devel, if it's a problem [16:41] <nealmcb> I don't notice an overload of traffic, and with server users they often are interested in some devel topics also. but I could go either way [16:41] <ScottK> Personally, if you split the channel, I'd just be on -devel [16:41] <kirkland> my gut reaction is to wince at another irc channel [16:42] <nijaba> ok, bad idea then [16:42] <kirkland> i agree with ScottK's note that "answering support questions" is a real issue [16:42] * nealmcb nods [16:42] <sommer> seems like they pick up as release date gets closer [16:43] <nijaba> most of us do, when we can, but it is not always the highest prio [16:43] <kirkland> nijaba: right... and too many questions are flamebait and traps [16:43] * nealmcb has been working around the clock on electionaudits so has been less helpful recently [16:44] <kirkland> nijaba: seems that some people just want to the opportunity to tell a bunch of linux developers, "Fine, I'm going back to Windows/Mac/BSD" [16:44] <ScottK> I find it odd they think that would bother us. [16:44] <nijaba> kirkland: I'm not talking about *these* [16:44] <kirkland> nijaba: ;-) [16:45] <mathiaz> nijaba: IIUC your main concert is that questions are not answered while conversation is ongoing [16:45] <mathiaz> nijaba: and that seems rude to the person asking for help [16:45] <Koon> mathiaz: yep [16:45] <nijaba> yes, gives me a strange feeling to ignore these guys [16:45] <kirkland> nijaba: i can see that.... [16:46] <Koon> though that strange feeling migt not be worth risking more splitting of an already-thin community [16:46] <nijaba> Koon: point fully taken [16:47] <Koon> but I'm balanced. [16:47] <nealmcb> yeah, it is easier when it is just totally silent and they can reread the topic :/ [16:47] <mathiaz> nijaba: one option would be to give a more generic answer to eh user [16:47] <mathiaz> !volunter [16:47] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volunter [16:47] <mathiaz> !volunteer [16:47] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volunteer [16:47] <mathiaz> hm - there is such an answer in ubotu [16:48] <mathiaz> I don't remember the correct key though [16:48] <mathiaz> !patience [16:48] <ubottu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [16:48] <nealmcb> :) [16:48] <ScottK> Of course that's not entirely accurate. Not all are volunteers. [16:48] <ScottK> Are any of the Canonical server team tasked with answering support questions in #ubuntu-server? [16:49] <sommer> IRC volunteers... sort of :) [16:49] <soren> And answer are also always available. We're just keeping them secret. [16:49] <nealmcb> right - if it noted that user support is on a volunteer basis that might be clearer [16:49] <ScottK> Right. Because our jobs depend on keeping the secrets ;-) [16:49] <nealmcb> lol [16:49] <kirkland> ScottK: Canonical sells support [16:49] <ScottK> kirkland: I understand that. [16:50] <kirkland> ScottK: none of us are tasked as community support volunteers [16:50] <kirkland> ScottK: we do what we can, when we can to help [16:50] <ScottK> As I'd expected, but I wanted to actually know rather than guess. [16:50] <nijaba> but I do spend, as well of others, spend a lot of personal time one the chan [16:50] <ScottK> Agreed. [16:51] <mathiaz> all right -so it seems that creating another -devel channel is not really a good solution to the stated problem [16:51] <nealmcb> so a factoid to reflect that might help - giving alternatives etc [16:51] <nijaba> nealmcb: sounds like a good plan [16:51] <mathiaz> isn't the topic already good on that point? [16:52] <kirkland> a little verbose, if anything ;-) [16:52] <nijaba> mathiaz: lots do not even read it, a factoid is more visible [16:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - the second link to asking smart question may be removed [16:53] <Koon> -ChanServ- [#ubuntu-server] Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and, sometimes, support) [16:53] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on [16:54] <mathiaz> I guess that the final outcome of this discussion is that we won't create a separate -devel channel [16:54] <nijaba> yep [16:54] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] UDS topics [16:54] <MootBot> New Topic: UDS topics [16:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: are you calling for topics? [16:54] <mathiaz> Altought we are *all* testing the intrepid isos, some of us may have ideas for the next release cycle [16:55] <mathiaz> If so, please add them to the IdeaPool from the server team wiki pages [16:55] <nealmcb> hmmm - irc client died right after my last comment.... [16:55] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/IdeaPool [16:56] <mathiaz> That page will be used as input for the UDS topics [16:56] <mathiaz> dendrobates: will be watching this page closely. [16:57] <mathiaz> dendrobates: anything else to add wrt to UDS topics? [16:57] <dendrobates> mathiaz: not at this time. [16:58] <mathiaz> okidoki [16:58] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion [16:58] <MootBot> New Topic: Open discussion [16:58] <mathiaz> anything else to add? [16:58] <mathiaz> speak up now [16:58] <zul> blub blub [16:59] <mathiaz> zul: is that a program you want to package for jaunty? [17:00] <sommer> heh [17:00] <zul> mathiaz: yes its a replacement for frozen bubble [17:00] <kirkland> it better be *damn* good, if it's to replace FB [17:00] <nijaba> zul: under the blub licence? not sure it is GPL friendly [17:00] <mathiaz> zul: you mean - you plan to remove frozen bubble from the archive in jaunty? [17:01] * kirkland draws his slingshot back........ [17:01] <zul> what? I dont want to be public enemy number 1 [17:01] <mathiaz> zul: that needs to be discussed at uds [17:01] <mathiaz> zul: at least one slot, if not a whole day [17:01] * nijaba loading mentos [17:01] <zul> heh [17:01] <mathiaz> zul: you've opened a can of worms... [17:02] <zul> didnt mean to ;( [17:02] <mathiaz> all right - anything else to add? [17:03] <mathiaz> nope [17:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time [17:03] <MootBot> New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time [17:03] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place? [17:03] <nijaba> +1.02 [17:04] <zul> same bat channel? [17:04] <sommer> o// [17:04] <nealmcb> nijaba: sorry - that is an overvote.... [17:04] <ScottK> Is there going to be anything to meet about this time next week? [17:04] <mathiaz> ScottK: well - I don't know. [17:04] <nijaba> nealmcb: great, just testing your auditing algo [17:04] <nealmcb> :) [17:04] <mathiaz> ScottK: it may only a be a 5 minutes meeting. [17:05] <ScottK> mathiaz: If we're going anything except ISO testing next week, we're in bug trouble. [17:05] <sommer> there might be more jaunty ideas [17:05] <mathiaz> ScottK: let's hope not. We'll meet next week to find out ;) [17:05] <nijaba> dumrolls... [17:06] <nijaba> drumrolls too [17:06] <mathiaz> all right - so see you all next week, here, same time, same date. [17:06] <mathiaz> and happy iso testing! [17:07] <mathiaz> #endmeeting