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Agenda

Items we will be discussing:

• Review ACTION points from previous meeting.

• Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap.

• Open Discussion.
• Agree on next meeting date and time.

Minutes

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, February 10th at 16:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

[16:00] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:01] <mathiaz> last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090127
[16:01] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] SRU for ebox
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU for ebox
[16:01] <mathiaz> sommer: what's the state of this?
[16:02] <sommer> mathiaz: I guess updated intrepid packages still need to be uploaded?
[16:02] <sommer> mathiaz: should be able to do that this evening
[16:03] <mathiaz> sommer: IIUC new debdiff should be prepared
[16:03] <mathiaz> sommer: and the relevant bugs updated
[16:03] <mathiaz> sommer: once that has been done, the pkg can be sponsored.
[16:04] <sommer> mathiaz: roger that
[16:04] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to prepare new ebox debdiffs
[16:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer to prepare new ebox debdiffs
[16:04] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] ACL by default
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  ACL by default
[16:05] <ivoks> that's me
[16:05] <mathiaz> ivoks: ^^ - did you create a wiki page to track of the work required to move things forward?
[16:05] <ivoks> so, i've found an old wiki page that has this topic covered
[16:05] <ivoks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ACL-OnByDefault
[16:06] <ivoks> it's from the desktop point of view, but i added not-only-desktop packages (zip, tar, cpio)
[16:06] <ivoks> so, once acl is implemented in package, i'll remove it from the list
[16:07] <mathiaz> ivoks: great. Thanks for tracking the state of ACL in packages.
[16:07] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] DRBD in jaunty
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  DRBD in jaunty
[16:07] <mathiaz> I've published a call for testing on the server blog
[16:07] <ivoks> oh, nice
[16:08] <ivoks> wiki is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UbuntuServer-drbd
[16:08] <mathiaz> http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/call-for-testing-drbd-83-in-jaunty/
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/call-for-testing-drbd-83-in-jaunty/
[16:08] <ivoks> i've tried creating howto to be as easier as possible to follow
[16:08] <mathiaz> This has been picked up by one of the upstream dev:
[16:08] <mathiaz> http://fghaas.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/ubuntu-users-please-test-drbd-83-for-jaunty/
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://fghaas.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/ubuntu-users-please-test-drbd-83-for-jaunty/
[16:09] <mathiaz> so I'll relay the call for testing in the upstream community
[16:09] <mathiaz> ivoks: thanks - the wiki page is rather extensive
[16:09] <ivoks> i could post a message to their users mailing list
[16:10] <mathiaz> ivoks: thanks for taking the time to write this up
[16:10] <ivoks> np
[16:10] <mathiaz> ivoks: do you know if there is a drbd page on help.ubuntu.com/community/
[16:10] <mathiaz> ivoks: ?
[16:10] <ivoks> i don't think so
[16:10] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok
[16:11] <mathiaz> let's move if there isn't anything else to report on drbd
[16:11] <ivoks> this howto could be used for that
[16:11] <ivoks> nope, that's all
[16:11] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Screen profiles
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Screen profiles
[16:11] <mathiaz> kirkland: what's new on this front?
[16:11] <nealmcb> HOw about this: Screen is a window manager for terminal sessions, also good for use over ssh etc.  See https://launchpad.net/screen-profiles for status bars, clocks, notifiers (reboot-required, updates-Havailable) etc.
[16:12] <kirkland> nealmcb: +1
[16:12] <nealmcb> (drop that "H"...)
[16:12] <kirkland> nealmcb: sounds find for a 2 liner
[16:12] <kirkland> mathiaz: a few things ...
[16:12] <kirkland> mathiaz: a couple of uploads
[16:12] <mathiaz> nealmcb: works for me.
[16:12] <nealmcb> it's tough given how cool it is to use just two lines
[16:12] <kirkland> mathiaz: in main, now brought in by screen itself
[16:12] <mathiaz> nealmcb: could you take care of updating the factoids?
[16:12] <nealmcb> yup
[16:12] <kirkland> mathiaz: it provides a new "screen" wrapper script which divert's screen's itself
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: which will ask you to select your profile of choice
[16:13] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nealmcb to update the screen factoids
[16:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nealmcb to update the screen factoids
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: and then launches with the same args
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: this was per ivoks' suggestion?
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: easy to implement
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: haven't gotten much feedback yet on the divert (yet)
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: i expect more people will rejoice/complain very soon :-)
[16:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: there have been a few bugs
[16:14] <ivoks> kirkland: it's crucial that 'default' should be 'preselected', so that users don't just hit enter and find them selvs in something that's not what they expected :)
[16:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: closing those out as quickly as possible
[16:14] <kirkland> ivoks: default is "plain"
[16:14] <ivoks> great
[16:14] <kirkland> ivoks: if they just hit enter, they end up with screen's shipped default
[16:14] <kirkland> ivoks: and should never be bothered about it again
[16:14] <ivoks> that's great
[16:14] <kirkland> ivoks: changable later by select-screen-profile
[16:14] <ivoks> of course
[16:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: i think that's it for now?
[16:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm working on an ec2 bill-meter for it :-)
[16:15] <nijaba> what about upgrades?
[16:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: nearly done
[16:15] <kirkland> nijaba: upgrades?
[16:15] <nijaba> 8.10 with screen update to jaunty?
[16:15] <ivoks> nijaba: don't change what people expect... rule #1 :)
[16:16] <ivoks> if they used plain screen untill now, let them use it in new version
[16:16] <kirkland> nijaba: well, the new screen package will recommend and install screen-profiles
[16:16] <nijaba> ivoks: I just want to make sure the case is correctly handled
[16:16] <ivoks> ... or that - even better
[16:16] <kirkland> nijaba: the first time they call screen there after, they will see:
[16:16] <kirkland> Select a screen profile:
[16:16] <kirkland>  1. plain
[16:16] <kirkland>  2. ubuntu-dark
[16:16] <kirkland>  3. ubuntu-light
[16:16] <kirkland> Choose:  1-3 [1]:
[16:16] <ivoks> kirkland: imho, that's superb!
[16:16] <kirkland> nijaba: we should verify that, i think
[16:16] <nijaba> kirkland: ok, same behaviour then
[16:17]  * kirkland high-fives ivoks   o/*\o
[16:17] <kirkland> nijaba: oui
[16:17] <kirkland> oh, there's also new support for disabling our keybindings
[16:17] <mathiaz> ok - seems that we're well done on the screen-profiles front
[16:17] <nxvl> and what about the customed screen profiles
[16:17] <kirkland> or choosing another set, should we provide one
[16:17] <nxvl> i mean if someone already modified his profile with his own changes
[16:17] <kirkland> .screenrc no longer contains a line that says "source ..."
[16:18] <kirkland> that broke people who's home or .screenrc was sync'd to other machines, perhaps without screen-profiles
[16:18] <kirkland> so now .screenrc is empty
[16:18] <kirkland> and the screen wrapper calls the real screen with the -c option, which identifies the the .screenrc-profile file (if it exists)
[16:19] <kirkland> the last thing that file does is sources your ~/.screenrc
[16:19] <kirkland> so anything you put in there will override anything above it
[16:19] <kirkland> that should be the expected/desired behavior, i believe
[16:19] <kirkland> btw, i've gotten good feedback on the dark theme
[16:19] <kirkland> seems most people prefer that
[16:19] <nijaba> lool will be happy :)
[16:19] <kirkland> that have spoken up :-)
[16:20] <kirkland> lool and i have reviewed a good bit of this
[16:20] <kirkland> he has one more important recommendation about the dpkg-divert
[16:20] <nealmcb> kirkland: but dark screens make reflections more visible....
[16:20] <kirkland> i'm still working that out
[16:20] <mathiaz> ok  let's move on
[16:20] <kirkland> cool, thanks
[16:21] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] EtcUnderRevisionControl status
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  EtcUnderRevisionControl status
[16:21] <mathiaz> Koon: ^^
[16:21] <Koon> So I've converted the spec info a set of bugs. Some of them are in good shape (see my branch), some of them aren't... and I might not have enough time for this to land in Jaunty before FF
[16:21] <Koon> into, even
[16:21] <Koon> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/etc-under-revision-control
[16:21] <mathiaz> Koon: are bugs files against the etckeeper package?
[16:21] <Koon> anyone that wants to help is welcome to look at those bugs
[16:21] <Koon> not only. There is one bzr bug, but it's almost done
[16:21] <mathiaz> Koon: did you use the mentoring option?
[16:22] <Koon> they are all linked on the blueprint page
[16:22] <Koon> no, but I should
[16:22] <ScottK> Did anyone get an opinion from upstream on this?
[16:22] <Koon> ScottK: yes.
[16:22] <ScottK> Last I read they thougth bzr support was not ready.
[16:22] <Koon> ScottK: you read a long time ago then
[16:22] <ScottK> OK.
[16:22] <nxvl> ScottK: we had some bzr developers in the session at UDS
[16:23] <Koon> Jelmer has been integrating bzr support into etckeeper, and Joey is verfy much happy with it
[16:23] <ScottK> It seems an odd divergence to make a vcs used almost nowhere outside of Ubuntu development the default, but whatever.
[16:23] <Koon> He just prefers git because he is a git user, but he is very happy with us doing advanced bzr-based features
[16:24] <Koon> ScottK: it will make sense when we deliver features that will only be available for bzr
[16:24] <Koon> (integrating permissions/ownership differences directly into the diff output, for example)
[16:24] <mathiaz> ScottK: there is support for other vcs - so users can switch to their preferred vcs system easily
[16:24] <Koon> I agree that at this point it doesn't make alot of sense to change default VCS
[16:25] <ScottK> I think default should be based on what users use, not developers.
[16:25] <ScottK> But we can move on.
[16:25] <mathiaz> ok.
[16:26] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Encrypted private/home with filename encryption available
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Encrypted private/home with filename encryption available
[16:26] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^?
[16:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: worked with evand on it yesterday
[16:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: had to work through a number of kinks
[16:26] <mathiaz> I think you made a call for testing on your blog?
[16:26] <soren> ScottK: Very few users use VCS, fwiw.
[16:26] <ScottK> soren: True and most of the that do use svn.
[16:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: what he uploaded yesterday should be in the next round of iso's
[16:26] <soren> ScottK: And windows.
[16:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: i haven't blogged about it yet
[16:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: i need to test the iso myself first
[16:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: i expect a call for testing to cooincide with the alpha4 release
[16:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok - great.
[16:27] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to make a call for testing filename encryption via a blog post.
[16:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to make a call for testing filename encryption via a blog post.
[16:28] <ScottK> You might even get slangasek to include it in the release notes for Alpha 4.
[16:28] <kirkland> ScottK: cool, will do, thanks
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[16:28] <mathiaz> ok. anything else to report on private encrypted directories?
[16:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: don't thinks so
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[16:29] <mathiaz> ok. That's all I had from last week minutes
[16:30] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Update ServerGuide for Jaunty
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update ServerGuide for Jaunty
[16:30] <mathiaz> sommer: how is this progressing?
[16:30] <sommer> mathiaz: coming along, I think most of the major new additions are done
[16:31] <ScottK> sommer: Did you catch the scrollback on the TLS cert issue we've been discussing?
[16:31] <sommer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyServerGuide
[16:31] <sommer> ScottK: not all of it, but it's on my list
[16:31] <ScottK> OK
[16:31] <ScottK> I can confirm that the current docs don't work.
[16:31] <mathiaz> sommer: do the sections marked as Done need to be review?
[16:32] <sommer> mathiaz: ya a reviews would be great
[16:32] <slangasek> kirkland, ScottK: yes, please write it and I will happily not revert it ;)
[16:32] <kirkland> slangasek: ;-)
[16:33] <ScottK> slangasek: Do you have a link for the draft?
[16:33] <slangasek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[16:33] <ScottK> THanks.
[16:33]  * ScottK does some unrelated editing ...
[16:34] <mathiaz> sommer: looks good to me.
[16:34] <mathiaz> anything else to add on the documentation front?
[16:34] <sommer> mathiaz: don't think so at this point
[16:35] <mathiaz> sommer: great. Thanks for working on this!
[16:35] <sommer> np :)
[16:36] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:36] <mathiaz> anything else to add?
[16:36] <ScottK> mathiaz: Did you see my blog on DNSSEC, dkim-mitler, and unbound?
[16:36] <nijaba> Ubuntu Server Survey results have been sent to the participants
[16:36] <nijaba> a press release about it should be out this week
[16:36] <nealmcb> ScottK link?
[16:36] <ScottK> mathiaz: I'm not sure if it's worth republishing in the Server Team blog or not. http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/01/getting_ready_for_dnssec_one_s.html
[16:37] <mathiaz> ScottK: I saw it.
[16:37] <ScottK> I'm not sure how much readership outside planet.ubuntu.com the Server Team blog has.
[16:38] <mathiaz> ScottK: I don't know either.
[16:38] <nealmcb> ScottK way cool - thanks!   yeah - big headaches there
[16:38] <ScottK> We did manage to kill off  a libdb version recently.
[16:38] <mathiaz> Any ideas to increase that is welcomed!
[16:39] <ScottK> If someone would merge openldap from Experimental, then maybe 4.2 coud die too.
[16:39]  * ScottK isn't going to touch it.
[16:39] <ScottK> If that got done we'd have a shot at shipping Jaunty with just 4.6 and 4.7.
[16:40] <mathiaz> ScottK: from experimental?
[16:40] <nealmcb> I think republishing that blog on the server blog is a good idea.  quality content drives interest....
[16:40] <ScottK> mathiaz: Yeah.  Because of the Lenny freeze the latest is in Debian experimental.
[16:40] <ScottK> At least that's how I understand it.
[16:42] <ScottK> mathiaz: Just in case copyright weenies care to know, you have my permission to republish that article on the server team blog.
[16:42] <mathiaz> ScottK: hm - I don't see a new openldap package in experimental
[16:42] <ScottK> Odd.  Let me look into it.
[16:43]  * ivoks needs to go... take care
[16:44] <ScottK> mathiaz: OK.  Sorry about that.  Merge from experimental/package new upstream release then.
[16:45] <mathiaz> nealmcb: right - I'm not so interested to just cut-n-paste other  posts on the ubuntu server blog
[16:45] <mathiaz> I'd rather have original content.
[16:45] <mathiaz> we've discussing that with Koon and kirkland
[16:45]  * ScottK notes that if he had posting rights to said blog he'd have posted it there.
[16:45] <nealmcb> mathiaz: I'm saying that having something, even just a link to scott's post, would be good for interest level in server blog
[16:46] <kirkland> we've also been talking about making it more of a "server planet"
[16:46] <mathiaz> nealmcb: true - a feed could be easily added to the server blog
[16:46] <kirkland> aggregating interesting server-related material, from perhaps ScottK's blog, and others
[16:46] <mathiaz> ScottK: it would be easy to give you authoring access to the ubuntu server blog
[16:46] <nijaba> mathiaz: what about a bi weekly list of interesting post about Ubuntu Server on your blog?
[16:46] <ScottK> mathiaz: OK.  I'm interested.
[16:47] <ScottK> Last time I asked I was told it was Canonical only.  I'm glad to hear this has changed.
[16:47] <mathiaz> nijaba: another option.
[16:48] <mathiaz> kirkland has been proposing to use a planet-like system instaed.
[16:48] <Koon> gtg, sorry
[16:49] <nijaba> a dedicated to server aggregation?
[16:49] <nijaba> sounds like a good idea
[16:50] <mathiaz> nijaba: yes. So that anyone could publish on their own blog and we'd aggregate everything related to ubuntu-server to a blog
[16:52] <mathiaz> ok - anything else to add?
[16:53] <ScottK> mathiaz: Are you willing to look into openldap?  If so vorian and I can look at the other DB 4.2 users.
[16:54] <mathiaz> ScottK: yes - I'll look into updating to 2.4.13 which means we have to move to db 4.6
[16:54] <ScottK> Excellent.
[16:54] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] # Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  # Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:54] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place?
[16:55] <sommer> o//
[16:55] <nijaba> +1
[16:57] <nealmcb> sommer: one person, one vote....
[16:57] <sommer> :)
[16:57] <mathiaz> ok - see you all next week
[16:58] <nealmcb> :)
[16:58] <mathiaz> same time same place
[16:58] <mathiaz> happy iso testing for Alpha4 due this week!
[16:58] <mathiaz> #endmeeting