20090428

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Agenda

Items we will be discussing:

  • Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
  • Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap.

  • Open Discussion.
    • Please discuss my comment to a user response on your mailserver wiki page - "choose webmail for main" - I put a "me too" to this subject and provided some additional information. I will join discussion if I can. Horde Ingo has the best web interface sieve support, usable by a sieve novice, only by clicking together some rules. The whole Horde Groupware Webmail Edition, which includes this package, is additional a very good choice providing a mature and up-to-date Groupware / Webmailer.
  • High Availability Team. RoAkSoAx

  • New HowTo's for the Server Guide, Clustering Related. RoAkSoAx

  • Agree on next meeting date and time.

Minutes

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, April 14th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

[16:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <mathiaz> First of all: thanks everyone for the hard work put in pulling a new release
[16:02] <ivoks> anytime :)
[16:02] <mathiaz> Jaunty is an awesome release and one step closer to world domination
[16:03] <mathiaz> I hope you all celebrated this last release
[16:03] <mathiaz> and took some time to sit back, relax and enjoy the results
[16:04]  * kirkland did :-)
[16:05] <mathiaz> let's move on to current matters
[16:05] <Brazen> ... after installing the upgrade on all your computers first, right?
[16:05] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:05] <mathiaz> Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090421
[16:06] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Release party at the Jackalope bar in Austin, TX.
[16:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release party at the Jackalope bar in Austin, TX.
[16:06] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^ how did this go?
[16:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: well it was *awesome* of course
[16:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: superm1 took some pictures, i haven't gotten them yet
[16:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: i suspect we were the only release party to hold such festivities at a bar named after the Ubuntu release :-)
[16:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: there were about 30 people present
[16:08] <kirkland> mathiaz: guinness were $2.50/pint, happy hour prices :-)
[16:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: looks like you guyz had a good time
[16:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: any plans for the next release party?
[16:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: as a matter of fact, there is a bar in Austin called "Karma"
[16:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: i suspect we'll hold the next release party there :-)
[16:09] <ivoks> i bet there's lots of those all around the world :)
[16:09] <kirkland> ivoks: hopefully so!
[16:09] <ivoks> kirkland: we even have a singing group called karma :D
[16:09] <kirkland> ivoks: probably more than bars named The Jackalope
[16:09] <ivoks> kirkland: most probably :)
[16:10] <kirkland> anyone else had a good release party?
[16:10] <kirkland> ivoks: what was shaking in Croatia?
[16:10] <ivoks> kirkland: oh, we had a intstall fest in student's club
[16:10] <ivoks> kirkland: and a bit of demonstration what's new in jaunty... nothing special
[16:11] <ivoks> i celebrated in the mountains :)
[16:12] <mathiaz> well - it seems that we've got plans for the most important item for this coming release cycle
[16:12] <nijaba> the party in london was great too.  In his toast, Mark named Jaunty the best server release ever!
[16:12] <kirkland> ivoks: i enjoyed your Ubuntu Action Shots
[16:12] <ivoks> kirkland: hehe
[16:12] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to organize the Austin release party for Karmic in the Karma bar
[16:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to organize the Austin release party for Karmic in the Karma bar
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: ack
[16:13] <mathiaz> That brings us to the next topic: what should be celebrated?
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: others are to find karma bars nearby too
[16:13] <nijaba> mathiaz: montreal: http://restomontreal.ca/portal/karma/index.php?lang=fr
[16:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: we also have a sports bar called Aussie's, with koala's everywhere
[16:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: so that would work too, in a pinch
[16:14] <ivoks> yeah... koala should be better :)
[16:14] <ivoks> karma is just too easy
[16:14] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Features for karmic
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Features for karmic
[16:14] <mathiaz> As you may know, next UDS is less than a month away
[16:15] <mathiaz> now is the time to make your ideas known
[16:15] <mathiaz> and start discussing them
[16:16] <ivoks> i would like to see ldap getting everywhere possible
[16:17]  * nijaba agrees with ivoks :)
[16:17] <sommer> me too, me too
[16:17] <mathiaz> how to do so? Start a wiki page to outline your ideas
[16:17] <ivoks> so, that's it then :D
[16:17] <mathiaz> register a blueprint in launchpad, nominate for the karmic uds
[16:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: wiki page, or blueprint first?
[16:18] <ivoks> this is a lot of work, so we should target karmic+1 for that, but do as much as possible in karmic
[16:18] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm - good question
[16:18] <mathiaz> kirkland: it seems that people are first using blueprints to do a quick braindump
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[16:18] <mathiaz> we end up with thousand of blueprints now
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: i thought that was what dendrobates asked us to do
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: to schedule a uds session, a blueprint must exist
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: my understanding was that the UDS organizers would schedule sessions based on "accepted" blueprints
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: from the output of UDS, if a blueprint was then "approved", then a wiki spec is expected
[16:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok.
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: and based on the wiki spec, work would commence :-)
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: but, as you say, this has been very much in flux
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: so it's possible i'm confused, too
[16:22] <kirkland> mathiaz: i added far more blueprints than i expect to get approved
[16:23] <kirkland> mathiaz: also, dendrobates asked that server-related blueprints start with "server-karmic-*" for sorting purposes
[16:23] <kirkland> mathiaz: and that they should be proposed for the Karmic sprint
[16:23] <mathiaz> kirkland: all right.
[16:24] <mathiaz> So the process is: create (or rename) a blueprint starting with server-karmic-, propose it for the karmic sprint
[16:25] <ivoks> ok
[16:25] <mathiaz> This will get the idea on dendrobates' radar and he'll select the ones to be discussed at uds
[16:26] <mathiaz> ivoks: FYI I'm working on the ldap+kerberos issue - I should have a couple of blueprints ready in the next few days
[16:26] <ivoks> mathiaz: great
[16:27] <mathiaz> so get your ideas out there and let the ubuntu developer community know about them
[16:27] <mathiaz> any questions about this process?
[16:27] <ivoks> if you don't know where to start
[16:27] <ivoks> check brainstorm and let's do something lots of people want
[16:28] <kirkland> jcastro: can you point us to some of the most popular server-related brainstorm requests?
[16:28] <ivoks> kirkland: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/server/
[16:29] <kirkland> jcastro: doesn't have to be now, but perhaps post to the ubuntu-server@ mailing list this week?
[16:29] <jcastro> kirkland: after my session with mark
[16:29] <jcastro> sure
[16:29] <kirkland> jcastro: doh.  ivoks has it :-)
[16:29] <ivoks> what? is this true? php5-mysql isn't part of LAMP?
[16:30] <ivoks> i would say that idea '
[16:30] <ivoks> about the lamp stack is a bug, not an idea
[16:30] <mathiaz> ivoks: php5-mysql *is* part of the LAMP stack
[16:30] <mathiaz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.jaunty/lamp-server
[16:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.jaunty/lamp-server
[16:30] <ivoks> great
[16:31] <ivoks> adding gd library should be harmless...
[16:31] <mathiaz> all right - let's move on
[16:31] <mathiaz> ivoks: we can discuss all these ideas at UDS - it may be worth creating a blueprint to gather common ideas.
[16:32] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] High Availability Team
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  High Availability Team
[16:32] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: ^^
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> heya
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> let me introduce myself first
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> I'm Andres Rodriguez, I one of the council members of the Ubuntu Peru LoCo. I've done some work for the server team before, working on some init scripts adding the status action.
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> The reason I've brought this up is because, as I explained mathiaz yesterday at his UOW presentation, I do think that packages such Heartbeat, Keepalived, ipvsadm, etc, etc, should be important to the server team since many companies work, and would like to work with HA clusters.
[16:33] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i was planing on bringing this on the table for UDS
[16:33] <RoAkSoAx> Why is my interest in HA? because I did my thesis related to HA. I designed an architecture of HA clusters for webservers: more information: http://www.roaksoax.com/2008/07/ubuntu-in-my-thesis-part-2
[16:33] <RoAkSoAx> And you can download it from here (It's in spanish): http://roaksoax.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/thesis.pdf
[16:34] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: are you familliar with redhat cluster suite?
[16:34] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, unfortunately, no, just with tools such as hearbeat, DRBD, keepalived, ldirectord, lvs
[16:35] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: so, if you are interested, i could give you a quick overview of current status
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> btw.. mathiaz proposed the creation of this HA team, yesterday at his presentation
[16:35] <ivoks> that would be great...
[16:35] <ivoks> since we lack people in that area :D
[16:35] <mathiaz> The suggestion was to add hearbeat,  DRBD, keepalived, ldirectord, lvs
[16:35] <mathiaz> packages to the ubuntu-server bug packages
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> I've also offered myself to provides HowTo's
[16:35] <mathiaz> that would mean more bug mails on the ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list
[16:36] <nxvl> how is that the Austin, TX Release party became important for the server team?
[16:36] <mathiaz> my concern is that it may start to be too much
[16:36] <ivoks> mathiaz: i would love to see in 6-12 months time ubuntu cluster stack, based on linuxha, instead of rhcs
[16:36] <RoAkSoAx> such as: Hearbeat V1/V2, DRBD 3-node, DRBD integration with Heartbeat, keepalived, HAProxy, and so on
[16:36] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: drbd 3-node is supported in 9.04
[16:37] <nxvl> mathiaz: when wasn't?
[16:37] <mathiaz> and that creating a team which would look after these specific packages may be a better idea
[16:37] <ivoks> mathiaz: i agree
[16:37] <nijaba> ivoks: I thought DRBD could support up to 8 nodes now?
[16:38] <ivoks> nijaba: maybe some newer versions, but the one in 9.04 supports 3
[16:38] <nijaba> ivoks: ok, thanks
[16:38] <ivoks> nijaba: and that was a major move :)
[16:38] <RoAkSoAx> nijaba, it supports 8 block devices
[16:38] <RoAkSoAx> per each node
[16:38] <ivoks> ah, right...
[16:38] <nijaba> hence the confusion, thanks :)
[16:38] <RoAkSoAx> well anyways, so how we should proceed on these
[16:39] <mathiaz> I'd suggest to create the ubuntu-ha team
[16:39] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i would love to help with ubuntu-ha team
[16:39] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: but i have couple of questions
[16:39] <mathiaz> and make the team a bug contact for relevant packages
[16:39] <mathiaz> That way you could start to look after the package
[16:40] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: do you think we should support both linuxha and rhcs or just linuxa?
[16:40] <mathiaz> starting by triagging the bugs, then starting fixing them
[16:40] <mathiaz> once you get a handle on the state of the HA package in Ubuntu, we can think about improvements
[16:40] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, well i wouldn't know for sure... most of my work is with linuxha
[16:41] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: ok...
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> i do know that companies thinks that rhcs is only for red hat based systems
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> and that is far from bneing the truth
[16:41] <ivoks> cause of the name
[16:41] <ivoks> if apache was called Debian Apache, everybody would think it's debian only :)
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> indeed
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: RoAkSoAx these discussions could be hold on mailing list
[16:42] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, ok :)
[16:42] <nxvl> ivoks: or if ufw was named Ubuntu Firewall
[16:42] <mathiaz> now that LP support mailing list it's easy to get one setup for the ubuntu-ha team
[16:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: i recommend pinging someone in #launchpad as soon as you make the mailing list request ;-)
[16:43] <jdstrand> the 'u' in ufw has always been rather flexible, see /usr/share/doc/ufw/README.gz "What's in a name?" ;)
[16:43] <mathiaz> so to move things forward: create an ubuntu-ha team, create a mailing list for, make the ubuntu-ha team a bug contact for relevant packages and start triagging bugs
[16:44] <RoAkSoAx> ok
[16:44] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: would you mind taking this task?
[16:44] <nxvl> jdstrand: i know, that's why i was joking about that :D
[16:44] <jdstrand> nxvl: :)
[16:44] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, of course
[16:45] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i'll join the team
[16:45] <mathiaz> [ACTION] RoAkSoAx to create an ubuntu-ha team, create a mailing list for, make the ubuntu-ha team a bug contact for relevant packages and start triagging bugs
[16:45] <MootBot> ACTION received:  RoAkSoAx to create an ubuntu-ha team, create a mailing list for, make the ubuntu-ha team a bug contact for relevant packages and start triagging bugs
[16:45] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] New HowTo's for the Server Guide, Clustering Related.
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  New HowTo's for the Server Guide, Clustering Related.
[16:46] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, awesome
[16:46] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: I think this point is related to the one above.
[16:46] <mathiaz> I'm sure sommer would love help in this area and would accept contributions
[16:46] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, indeed, i'll be providing tutoriales of heartbeat v1/v2, integration with drbd, drbd 3 node, keepalived, and so on
[16:47] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: Have you looked at the wiki page on help.ubuntu.com/community/ ?
[16:47] <sommer> RoAkSoAx: yes, any help would be awesome
[16:49] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: I'd suggest to have a look at the community help pages on h.u.com/community/, find which one are related to HA and review them
[16:50] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, will do
[16:51] <mathiaz> [ACTION] RoAkSoAx to look at the wiki pages on h.u.com/community/ and identify the ones relevant to HA
[16:51] <MootBot> ACTION received:  RoAkSoAx to look at the wiki pages on h.u.com/community/ and identify the ones relevant to HA
[16:51] <mathiaz> Anything else related to this topic?
[16:51] <RoAkSoAx> not from me
[16:51] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:52] <mathiaz> Anything else to add?
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ha
[16:54] <ivoks> k
[16:55] <nealmcb> ivoks: thanks again for the jaunty work on mail integration, and getting good press for Ubuntu!
[16:55] <nijaba> mathiaz: great mentions in the press lately, I think it is worth a big round of applause
[16:55] <ivoks> nealmcb: :)
[16:55]  * mathiaz cheers at ivoks 
[16:56] <nijaba> and dustin too: http://tinyurl.com/dfxqpc
[16:56] <nealmcb> yeah!
[16:56] <nealmcb> the whole team!   Good to have you back, mathiaz!
[16:56] <ivoks> it wasn't that good press :/
[16:56] <nealmcb> press is always iffy.  but even bad press brings eyeballs and progress
[16:56]  * kirkland high fives around!
[16:57] <mathiaz> allright - time to wrap up
[16:57] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place?
[16:58] <sommer> sure
[16:59] <kirkland> mathiaz: ack!
[16:59] <mathiaz> great - see you all next week, same time, same place
[16:59] <RoAkSoAx> see ya guys!
[16:59] <mathiaz> enjoy a beer while admiring jaunty and shaping karmic!
[16:59] <mathiaz> #endmeeting