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Agenda

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Items we will be discussing:

• Review ACTION points from previous meeting.

• Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap.

• Open Discussion.

  • Please discuss my comment to a user response on your mailserver wiki page - "choose webmail for main" - I put a "me too" to this subject and provided some additional information. I will join discussion if I can. Horde Ingo has the best web interface sieve support, usable by a sieve novice, only by clicking together some rules. The whole Horde Groupware Webmail Edition, which includes this package, is additional a very good choice providing a mature and up-to-date Groupware / Webmailer. (comment by Markus Majer (mpathy) with reference to ServerTeam/MailServer)

• Agree on next meeting date and time.

Minutes

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, May 12th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

[16:06] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:06. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:06] <nealmcb> <o>
[16:06] <mathiaz> today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:06] <mathiaz> last week minutes:
[16:06] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090428
[16:07] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] High Availability Team
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  High Availability Team
[16:07] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: how is this going?
[16:07] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: IIUC the ubuntu-ha team has been created
[16:07] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, well the team has been created: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ha
[16:07] <RoAkSoAx> we've setup a wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHighAvailabilityTeam and #ubuntu-ha
[16:08] <nijaba> o/
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> many people have join, however they seem not to be participating in the mailing list yet
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> here's a list of packages that we'll work on: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ha/+packagebugs
[16:09] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: great - that seems like a very good start
[16:09] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: you may wanna send an email to ubuntu-ha@ to explain what is the goal for the next few weeks
[16:10] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, yes, I already send an email for some feedback on clustering tools, but nobody has answered yet, i guess i'll resend it
[16:10] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx:  ie trying to get a handle on the bugs related to the ubuntu-ha packages
[16:10] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, regarding on our goals, we are working on it with ivoks
[16:10] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: great - start small
[16:11] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: once you get things rolling you can think about greater things
[16:11] <RoAkSoAx> indeed, step by step
[16:12] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: great - it seems that you're getting started
[16:12] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: and already have the first task (bug triaging) figured out
[16:12] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: it seems to be in good hands :)
[16:13] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: anything else related to the ubuntu ha team?
[16:13] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, yes, and I requested motu mentoring and ivoks is my mentor... so we are gonna work together on packaging
[16:13] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, and that's about it
[16:13] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: great - once you've get a handle on the bugs, you'll have a better picture of what can be fixed in the packages
[16:14] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: ivoks will be able to sponsor most of the fixes in the packages
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> awesome
[16:14] <mathiaz> great - let's move on
[16:14] <mathiaz> another related item: wiki pages
[16:14] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: ^^?
[16:15] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: did you get a chance to review the Ubuntu community wiki pages?
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, yes I've identified some howto's such as setting up HA NFS server, HA Apache servers
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> I just identified 4 howto's related to HA
[16:16] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: great - did you have time to review them?
[16:16] <ivoks> sorry for being late
[16:17] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, yes, one is old, the others are kinda good, but personally, if there's a plan to include them in the server guide somday, i think we'll first consider howto's on how to setup the HA tools rather than services
[16:17] <RoAkSoAx> but they look good
[16:18] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: ok - seems like this topic could be a discussion for the ubuntu-ha@ mailing list
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, k
[16:18] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: which documentation could be useful and gather the ideas under the Ideas section on the wiki page
[16:19] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: may be someone will have time to write a wiki page about it
[16:19] <mathiaz> ok - anything else related to the Ubuntu HA team?
[16:19] <mathiaz> ivoks: ^^?
[16:20] <ivoks> nothing much, we just started
[16:20] <mathiaz> ivoks: agreed - and it seems that there is already a plan in place (bug triaging)
[16:20] <mathiaz> it looks good then :)
[16:20] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:20] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Features for karmic
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Features for karmic
[16:21] <mathiaz> we're in full swing for UDS preparation
[16:21] <mathiaz> if you have ideas that needs to be discussed register a blueprint in LP
[16:21] <mathiaz> Its name should start with server-karmic-
[16:21] <mathiaz> and should be proposed for the Karmic sprint
[16:22] <pschulz01> o/
[16:22] <mathiaz> pschulz01: sure - ?
[16:22] <nealmcb>  I was curious who put up the webmail item in the open discussion item of our agenda.  I tracked it down and added some attributions to the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting  But I guess the poster (mpathy) isn't around....
[16:23] <dendrobates> mathiaz: could we name them server-karmic-community-*
[16:23] <mathiaz> nealmcb: right - it's a leftover from last week
[16:23] <ivoks> er...
[16:23] <ivoks> dendrobates: that sounds... wierd
[16:23] <pschulz01> I'm going through the dovecot-postfix install.. but are there any plans for a postfix-mailman ?
[16:23] <dendrobates> mathiaz: I've alreadyt reviewed the others and don't want to miss any community ones.
[16:24] <mathiaz> dendrobates: ah ok.
[16:24] <ScottK> Last time we looked at webmail in Main (Hardy, IIRC) there wasn't a 'good' webmail package that the security team was willing to have in Main.
[16:24] <pschulz01> (or is there a prefered alternative list management software?)
[16:24] <dendrobates> ivoks: I'm fine with any naming scheme that lets me find them.
[16:24] <ivoks> dendrobates: hehe ok
[16:25] <mathiaz> dendrobates: right - it's hard to figure out the new ones from the one you've already reviewed and rejected?
[16:26] <mathiaz> ScottK: right - IIRC there is a blueprint about that
[16:26] <mathiaz> so the webmail discussion should probably be taking place during UDS
[16:26] <dendrobates> I haven't rejected any.
[16:26] <pschulz01> otherwise I'll put together a blueprint.
[16:26] <dendrobates> mathiaz: and yes.
[16:26] <mathiaz> meanwhile additional research can be done
[16:27] <mathiaz> with the results added to the wiki page
[16:27] <ivoks> i was planing on webmail inside general mail related discussion
[16:27] <mathiaz> pschulz01: ^^ it seems that your proposal would fit in this topic
[16:27] <nealmcb> ScottK: do you recall any specific security feedback on horde ingo that you can pass on to mpathy?
[16:28] <mathiaz> ivoks: right - make sure a blueprint is created for that
[16:28] <ivoks> horde, as squirrelmail are... well, ugly
[16:28] <ivoks> :)
[16:28] <ScottK> nealmcb: I don't recall what packages we discussed.  It was quite a while ago.
[16:28] <pschulz01> mathiaz: Agreed
[16:28] <ivoks> mathiaz: i will
[16:28] <pschulz01> ivoks: +1
[16:28] <zul> whoa...squrrelmail there is a flashback
[16:28] <mathiaz> dendrobates: when will a draft of the schedule be available?
[16:29] <dendrobates> mathiaz: at some point, yes.  I'll find out when.
[16:29] <mathiaz> dendrobates: IIRC last time we got the first draft way too late
[16:29] <mathiaz> and lack time to get prepared
[16:30] <mathiaz> dendrobates: or is there a least of accepted blueprints?
[16:30] <nealmcb> ScottK: do you remember where the hardy webmail conversation took place?
[16:30] <mathiaz> dendrobates: so that the list of topics to be discussed is known (even if we don't know when)?
[16:30] <ScottK> nealmcb: It was in the server team room when we were doing the big discussion about lists of packages to add to Main.
[16:31] <nealmcb> so at uds
[16:31] <ivoks> in boston?
[16:31] <ScottK> Yes
[16:31] <ivoks> yes, we concluded that roundcube was too insecure
[16:31] <ivoks> kees said that :)
[16:31] <ScottK> Recent events have not caused me to revise that opinion.
[16:31] <mathiaz> IIRC there was a wiki page covering this discussion
[16:32] <mathiaz> anyway we can research things in preparation for a UDS discussion
[16:32] <ScottK> Just whoever is researching should have a good argumenat why the security team shouldn't faint at the prosepect.
[16:33]  * jdstrand is poised to faint
[16:34]  * nealmcb gets out the smelling salts
[16:34] <ivoks> all webmails are security problems
[16:34] <mathiaz> allright - anything else related to blueprints and UDS preparation?
[16:34] <ivoks> err... make that 'all php webmails are security problems'
[16:34] <nealmcb> ivoks: is the word "webmail" necessary there?
[16:34] <ivoks> nealmcb: not really
[16:34] <Pres-Gas> alpine web version?
[16:35] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on
[16:35] <mathiaz> and defer the php security discussion to another forum
[16:35] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Merges
[16:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Merges
[16:35] <mathiaz> Now that the karmic repostories are open for general consumption, we're focusing on merges
[16:36] <mathiaz> Merge-O-Matic is your friend
[16:36] <mathiaz> https://merges.ubuntu.com/
[16:36] <kirkland> merge, merge, merge if you want to make MOTU ;-)
[16:37] <RoAkSoAx> where can we find a list of merges related only to the server team?
[16:37] <mathiaz> there are lists of outstanding packages for all the components
[16:37] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: I'll work on this one again
[16:37] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, ok cool :)
[16:37] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx did a good job with drbd merge
[16:37] <mathiaz> If you don't have upload privileges, prepare a merge and use the sponsorship process
[16:37] <kirkland> i owe RoAkSoAx a review of QEMU
[16:38] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[16:38] <RoAkSoAx> indeed
[16:38] <ivoks> kirkland: bug number? i'm his mentor :)
[16:38] <kirkland> ivoks: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/371879
[16:38] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 371879 in qemu "Please merge qemu 0.10.3-1 (universe) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:38] <kirkland> ivoks: be my guest :-)
[16:38] <ivoks> tnx
[16:39] <mathiaz> As kirkland just mentionned, merging is a good way to get packaging experience to get MOTU status
[16:40] <mathiaz> There is also an overview of what merging is about: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[16:40] <mathiaz> And there should be some wiki pages having practical examples of merging packages
[16:41] <mathiaz> IIRC there were a couple of sessions given about Mergin package during the previous Ubuntu Developers Week.
[16:41] <mathiaz> Any question related to the merging process?
[16:43] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on then
[16:43] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[16:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[16:43] <mathiaz> Anything else to add?
[16:44] <Pres-Gas> o/
[16:44] <mathiaz> Pres-Gas: sure - ?
[16:46] <Pres-Gas> I thought I saw meeting minutes regarding the openchange mapi plugins...has then I did not see anything more after release.  Is the server team the go-to on that now or another team?
[16:46] <Pres-Gas> I would love to help out.
[16:46]  * Pres-Gas is quickly looking for those minutes...
[16:46] <mathiaz> Pres-Gas: are you refering to the mapi plugins for evolution?
[16:47] <ivoks> i couldn't test openchange mapi in evolution cause of environment... it was firewalled or something...
[16:47]  * pschulz01 thinks it wass about 6 weeks ago.
[16:47] <Pres-Gas> mathiaz: evolution-mapi
[16:47] <Pres-Gas> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuserver.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F03%2F10%2Fserver-team-20090310-meeting-minutes%2F&ei=bF8ASo38C-qElAfbwbDlBw&usg=AFQjCNHXrSllChNHE6y_EDItBnOt-H8RnA
[16:47] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuserver.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F03%2F10%2Fserver-team-20090310-meeting-minutes%2F&ei=bF8ASo38C-qElAfbwbDlBw&usg=AFQjCNHXrSllChNHE6y_EDItBnOt-H8RnA
[16:47] <Pres-Gas> ahhhh
[16:47] <Pres-Gas> sorry
[16:48] <Pres-Gas> http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-server/2009-03/msg00030.html
[16:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-server/2009-03/msg00030.html
[16:48] <Pres-Gas> Better
[16:48] <mathiaz> Pres-Gas: right - we were looking for testers
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[16:48] <mathiaz> Pres-Gas: seb128 is looking after the evolution package
[16:49] <Pres-Gas> ivoks, I may have an environment suitable for testing.  Exchange 2007 ADS on server 2008
[16:49] <mathiaz> Pres-Gas: however he doesn't have access to an exchange environement
[16:49] <mathiaz> Pres-Gas: thus we were looking for testers that have access to such an environement
[16:50] <james_w> Pres-Gas: jelmer packages evolution-mapi, samba4, openchange etc., so you could email him if you want to help out on that side
[16:50] <mathiaz> Pres-Gas: If you have access to such an environemnt testing new versions of the plugin would be helpful
[16:51] <Pres-Gas> Hmmm...I think I saw seb128's page in launchpad.  I may be able to get access to a test account in our environment...I will talk to my resources and get with those people.
[16:51] <Pres-Gas> I do support at a University and we have gotten a number of contacts regarding this
[16:51] <mathiaz> Pres-Gas: great - if you can get a test account and conduct some testing of the development version of the plugin that would be helpful
[16:52] <Pres-Gas> I will get with jelmer and seb128
[16:53] <mathiaz> Pres-Gas: great
[16:53] <mathiaz> anything else?
[16:53] <Pres-Gas> Thanks, I was not sure if it was appropriate...it is the server team and I only saw one mention of it in the minutes
[16:56] <mathiaz> all right - if there isn't anything else, time to wrap up
[16:56] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:56] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place?
[16:56] <ivoks> +
[16:56] <sommer> +1 :_)
[16:58] <mathiaz> great - so see you all in one week, same place, same time
[16:59] <mathiaz> in the mean time have fun with merging packages from debian into karmic
[16:59] <mathiaz> see you all
[16:59] <mathiaz> #endmeeting