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Agenda

Items we will be discussing:

• Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
• Weekly SRU review.

• Review progress made on the Roadmap.

• Open Discussion.
• MIR for ubuntu-fortunes and default install? - nijaba
• Agree on next meeting date and time.

Minutes

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, September 8th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

[16:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:02] <mathiaz> last week's meeting minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090825
[16:02] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] FFE for bacula
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  FFE for bacula
[16:02] <mathiaz> so we decided we would not push bacula 3.0.X in karmic
[16:03] <mathiaz> but instead make it available in a ppa
[16:03] <ikonia> mathiaz: any reason ?
[16:03] <ikonia> (not agruing, curious)
[16:03] <mathiaz> ikonia: to late in the release cycle
[16:03] <mathiaz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bacula/+archive/ppa
[16:04] <Daviey> mathiaz: will it be mentioned in the ubuntu-server-guide?
[16:04] <ikonia> mathiaz: is it not better to hold it back until next release/later rather than introduce another PPA from an end user point of view ?
[16:04] <mathiaz> ^^ seems that ivoks pushed the packages in a ppa
[16:04] <nijaba> o/ (sorry to be late)
[16:04] <ikonia> a lot is being pushed into PPA's at the moment (not just server teams stuff)
[16:05] <mathiaz> Daviey: I don't think so - there is no official support/maintainance for bacula 3.0.X in karmic
[16:05] <Daviey> ok
[16:05] <mathiaz> we're just making it available to interested users
[16:05] <Daviey> sounds wise.
[16:05] <ikonia> mathiaz: that's not how it normally works though, but that's a supportability discussion for another meeting
[16:06] <mathiaz> ikonia: the official bacula version in karmic will by 2.4
[16:06] <ikonia> mathiaz: that's great, I have no problem with that
[16:07] <mathiaz> allright - anything else to add on the topic (bacula 3.0.X)?
[16:07] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on
[16:08] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Asterisk
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Asterisk
[16:08] <mathiaz> what's the state of this?
[16:08] <mathiaz> Daviey: ^^
[16:08] <Daviey> mathiaz: jmdault's changes are pushed
[16:08] <mathiaz> Daviey: did you get a chance to follow this?
[16:08] <mathiaz> Daviey: have all the packages been updated?
[16:08] <Daviey> mathiaz: it's all resolved.. no hiccups
[16:08]  * ivoks o/
[16:08] <Daviey> mathiaz: yes.
[16:08] <mathiaz> Daviey: so Asterisk 1.6 is in karmic
[16:08] <Daviey> mathiaz: However, there was poor success with getting dahdi-dkms into debian :(
[16:09] <Daviey> mathiaz: yes
[16:09] <Daviey> mathiaz: so for karmic, we are carrying the dkms ourselves
[16:09] <mathiaz> Daviey: great - thanks for giving a short status.
[16:09] <mathiaz> Daviey: that's fine. As long as discussion is still going with Debian
[16:09] <mathiaz> Daviey: we may be able to convince in time for the next release.
[16:10] <Daviey> mathiaz: gone quiet.. but will keep the issue going.
[16:10] <mathiaz> anything else to add on the Asterisk front?
[16:10] <Daviey> (that is an ACTION :) )
[16:10] <mathiaz> [ACTION] Daviey to follow up with the Asterisk Debian maintainers about adopting dkms for dahdi
[16:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey to follow up with the Asterisk Debian maintainers about adopting dkms for dahdi
[16:10] <Daviey> mathiaz: not really, some people have mentioned instability in the version that is there (debian unstable version).. so call for testing would be prudent.
[16:11] <mathiaz> Daviey: sure - a blog post can be helpfull
[16:11] <Daviey> yeah.. i have some pretty large sites with asterisk 1.4/1.6.. i could try them and see if they go bang :)
[16:12] <mathiaz> Daviey: we've moved to bug fixing mode in karmic - it doesn't mean it's rock solid yet
[16:12] <mathiaz> testing is the main focus now
[16:12] <Daviey> yep.
[16:12] <mathiaz> [ACTION] Daviey to call for testing of Asterisk 1.6
[16:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey to call for testing of Asterisk 1.6
[16:13] <mathiaz> great - let's move on.
[16:13] <Daviey> great.
[16:13] <mathiaz> that's all I had from last week minutes
[16:13] <mathiaz> anything else to add?
[16:13] <ivoks> bacula?
[16:13] <ivoks> i was late :/
[16:13] <mathiaz> ivoks: pushed to the PPA
[16:13] <ivoks> right
[16:13] <ttx> ivoks: yes, you were :P
[16:14] <mathiaz> ivoks: which was the ACTION from last meeting
[16:14] <mathiaz> ivoks: anything else to add on this front?
[16:14] <ivoks> nope...
[16:15] <mathiaz> great - let's move on then
[16:15] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review
[16:15] <ttx> yay
[16:15] <mathiaz> http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[16:15] <Daviey> \o/
[16:15] <mathiaz> last week fixed bug^^
[16:15] <mathiaz> anything worth considering for an SRU?
[16:16] <Daviey> jmdault: o/
[16:16] <jmdault> hello, sorry I'm late
[16:17] <mathiaz> does't seem anything worthy on this list
[16:17] <ttx> nothing worth nominating on my side
[16:17] <Daviey> none of them shout out as SRU worthy IMO.
[16:18] <mathiaz> let's move on to the next list:
[16:18] <mathiaz> http://us-dappernominated.notlong.com/
[16:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://us-dappernominated.notlong.com/
[16:19] <ttx> those were here last week, istr we said we'd accept them
[16:19] <mathiaz> ok - accepting them now
[16:20] <mathiaz> next: http://us-hardynominated.notlong.com/
[16:20] <mathiaz> doesn't seem SRU worthy to me
[16:20] <ttx> we discussed them last week and decided to decline them iirc
[16:20] <mathiaz> allright - declining them then
[16:21] <mathiaz> next: http://us-intrepidnominated.notlong.com/
[16:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: bug 282876?
[16:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 282876 in drbd8 "drbd doesn't start on boot" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/282876
[16:22] <ivoks> let me look
[16:22] <ttx> Those were here last week as well... istr we decided to accept them
[16:22] <Daviey> bug 257682, was certainly there last week.
[16:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 257682 in bind9 "dig compiled without -DDIG_SIGCHASE!" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257682
[16:23] <ivoks> mathiaz: this was fixed in jaunty
[16:23] <mathiaz> ivoks: right - should it tried to SRU in intrepid?
[16:23] <ivoks> mathiaz: i'll have to check, we didn't have problems with drbd starting on intrepid
[16:24] <mathiaz> ivoks: right - we'll accept it
[16:24] <ivoks> ok
[16:24] <mathiaz> ivoks: it doesn't mean we'll have to fix it intrepid
[16:24] <ivoks> sure
[16:25] <mathiaz> ivoks: the next step is to try to make sure it's reproducable on intrepid
[16:25] <mathiaz> ivoks: one of the outcome may be that it's SRU worthy afterall
[16:25] <mathiaz> so - seems like all the intrepid bugs should be accepted
[16:26] <mathiaz> let's move on to the last list: http://us-jauntynominated.notlong.com/
[16:28] <ttx> this one should be refused
[16:28] <ttx> if it's in Jaunty it's not the same bug
[16:28] <mathiaz> allright - that's all for the list of nominated bugs
[16:28] <mathiaz> the next step is to review the list of accepted bugs and check on the assigned ones
[16:28] <mathiaz> I haven't had time to compile such a list relevant to the ubuntu-server team
[16:29] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to produce a list of accepted bugs for packages related to the ubuntu-server team.
[16:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to produce a list of accepted bugs for packages related to the ubuntu-server team.
[16:29] <mathiaz> anything else to say on the SRU weekly review?
[16:30] <mathiaz> ok - let's move to the next topic
[16:30] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] MIR for ubuntu-fortunes and default install
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  MIR for ubuntu-fortunes and default install
[16:30] <mathiaz> nijaba: ^^?
[16:31] <nijaba> well, I was wondering if it was a good time to file a mir for our tips
[16:31] <Daviey> So, fortunes-ubuntu-server is no in karmic.. some slight reshuffling with the packages.. but it's there
[16:31] <nijaba> Daviey: how do you feel about this
[16:31] <Daviey> more tips would be good before being default install IMO
[16:31] <mathiaz> Daviey: what's the name of the package?
[16:31] <Daviey> but otherwise, i think it would be great.
[16:32] <Daviey> nijaba: fortunes-ubuntu-server
[16:32] <Daviey> nijaba: initially it was 2 packages, one for the fortunes and the other for the scripts
[16:32] <nijaba> Daviey: I don't think quantity is that important
[16:32] <Daviey> nijaba: repitition might make it rather pointless.
[16:33] <nijaba> Daviey: well, maybe, but I am not sure people will look at them every time they login anyway
[16:33] <mathiaz> what would be the end user experience on a default install?
[16:33] <Daviey> However, i'm expecting a few more uploads before karmic release.. so it might be a good idea to MIR it sooner rather than later, and still expet to update it's cookies.
[16:33] <nijaba> mathiaz: just a couple lines of tips added to the motd
[16:34] <nijaba> mathiaz: note that we remved quite a few line of legal blurb after first loging
[16:34] <kirkland> so we have some newly freed up space in the motd, since we only display the warranty once
[16:34] <Daviey> mathiaz: keeping in mind that the currentl plan is to hide the copyright notice once a user initially logs in.
[16:34] <kirkland> we've basically freed up 6-7 lines
[16:34] <kirkland> the tip would nicely fit in that space
[16:34] <mathiaz> so whenever someone logs in a default karmic server, they'd see the warranty message, then the landscape-sysinfo messages and then a fortune?
[16:34] <nijaba> nope, the prio would be 60
[16:35] <nijaba> mathiaz: so sysinfo would be last
[16:35] <kirkland> it might be just a little late in karmic to try and put this into the default server install
[16:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: only see the warranty on first login
[16:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok
[16:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: on *each user's* first login
[16:35] <mathiaz> Daviey: how fortunes are there?
[16:35] <Daviey> err, good question
[16:35] <Daviey> ~30
[16:35] <nijaba> kirkland: this is done, right?
[16:35] <kirkland> nijaba: well, updates-available and reboot-required would be last
[16:35] <nijaba> kirkland: right
[16:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: why would it be too late?
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: yes, warranty stuff is already in karmic
[16:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: well, it would require an FFE
[16:36] <Daviey> mathiaz: there are 32 committed, in the package
[16:36] <nijaba> kirkland: so it is just a package couple package to seed after the mir is done, right
[16:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: that's all i'm saying, really
[16:36] <Daviey> socertainly enough for 1 per day, each month :)
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: yes, it's not hard
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: MIR, add to the default ubuntu-server seed -- technically that's all
[16:37] <nijaba> kirkland: agreed
[16:37] <nijaba> kirkland: so do we have an agreement that it should be done?  if so I'll gladly file the MIR
[16:37] <Daviey> so, should we try and put it in the default seed?
[16:37] <kirkland> nijaba: i think so... here's why ...
[16:38] <kirkland> nijaba: 1) we've freed up some space in an 80x24 motd (with the warranty stuff only printed once)
[16:38] <kirkland> nijaba: 2) the performance/runtime impact is negligible
[16:38] <kirkland> nijaba: 3) it is a friendly, nice ubuntu-ish differentiator
[16:39] <Daviey> it's actually quite ground breaking stuff.. i can't think of any other enterprise server distro that offers helpful tips.
[16:39] <kirkland> nijaba: so, +1 vote from me... get the MIR + FFE written, approved, and seeded into the default ubuntu install
[16:39] <nijaba> ttx: do you agree?
[16:39] <Daviey> On the other side, if it is somewhat unpopular.. it's easy enough to pull in karmic+1.
[16:40] <kirkland> Daviey: it's easy enough to pull by beta
[16:40] <Daviey> kirkland: very true.
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[16:40] <kirkland> Daviey: it would be nice to get it into alpha5/alpha6 and see if anyone craps themself
[16:40] <nijaba> kirkland: I do know how to file a MIR, but not an FFe
[16:40] <ttx> I'd go for karmic+1 with UDS discussion
[16:40] <Daviey> kirkland: +1
[16:41] <ttx> but if someone wants to file a FFe for it, why not
[16:41] <mathiaz> nijaba: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[16:42] <Daviey> Whilst on the server-tips discussion, it would be really nice to have some more tips from the server team :)
[16:42] <kirkland> Daviey: yeah, sorry, i've been meaning to throw some out there
[16:42] <Daviey> nijaba: did you get a chance to chase the short urls, froma few meetings ago?
[16:42] <kirkland> Daviey: can we braindump these on you, and you clean them up, commit them?
[16:43] <Daviey> kirkland: it's "hard" to think of useful ones, i know from myself.
[16:43] <Daviey> kirkland: raising a bug on LP, works quite well
[16:43] <nijaba> Daviey: I did, and I think we have an agreement that it would be nice, but no timeframe for im^plementation
[16:43] <Daviey> then, the description field can be edited.
[16:44] <Daviey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-server-tips
[16:45] <mathiaz> allright - anything else to add on this topic?
[16:45] <Daviey> no :)
[16:45] <nijaba> mathiaz: ok, so I'll fill a MIR and an FFe before next meeting
[16:45] <Daviey> nijaba: great!
[16:46] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nijaba to write up a MIR and and file a FFe for fortunes-ubuntu-server
[16:46] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nijaba to write up a MIR and and file a FFe for fortunes-ubuntu-server
[16:46] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:47] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:47] <delphiexile> ok
[16:47] <delphiexile> what about the meeting today
[16:47] <mathiaz> jmdault: Daviey reported that the Asterisk had been updated to 1.6 in karmic
[16:47] <mathiaz> jmdault: thanks for driving this
[16:47] <Daviey> (and jmdault's changes are merged)
[16:47] <jmdault> mathiaz: yes
[16:47] <jmdault> dahdi and asterisk are fully merged
[16:48] <mathiaz> jmdault: cool - next step: call for testing
[16:48] <jmdault> I'll have to file a FFE for asterisk-addons though, but that's minor
[16:49] <mathiaz> jmdault: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[16:49] <jmdault> mathiaz: what's the best way to get attention?
[16:49] <mathiaz> jmdault: follow the process outlined above?
[16:49] <mathiaz> jmdault: is the package in universe or main?
[16:49] <Daviey> jmdault: I was planning on blogging it, which will be on planet.ubuntu.com
[16:49] <jmdault> Daviey: great
[16:49] <jmdault> mathiaz: in Universe
[16:49] <mathiaz> jmdault: ok - so ask ScottK about getting the exception
[16:49] <jmdault> ok
[16:50] <mathiaz> jmdault: he is handling server related packages for the motu-release team
[16:51] <mathiaz> anything else to add to the discussion?
[16:51] <jmdault> no
[16:52] <jmdault> Daviey: keep me in touch for the blog post
[16:52] <Daviey> jmdault: wilco, welcome to help me construct this :)
[16:52] <jmdault> of course
[16:53] <jmdault> mathiaz: oh, yes, I got another thing to add. I have a bunch of extra packages that will not make it into Karmic, but will be uploaded in the ubuntu voip ppa
[16:53] <mathiaz> jmdault: what kind of packages?
[16:53] <jmdault> like the asterisk gui, it's promising, but it needs work
[16:54] <Daviey> jmdault: so promising, that digium don'teven ship it on there distro anymore :)
[16:54] <jmdault> and I have extra sound files (spanish and french), but ideally, they should be in Debian as well
[16:55] <Daviey> great.
[16:56] <jmdault> Daviey: if there's no gui, I have to tell the receptionist to ssh into asterisk, and edit users.conf by hand.. ;-)
[16:56] <Daviey> :)
[16:56] <mathiaz> allright - anything else to add before we wrap up
[16:56] <mathiaz> ?
[16:56] <jmdault> nope
[16:56] <Daviey> not i
[16:56] <ivoks> nope
[16:56] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place?
[16:57] <Daviey> as always :)
[16:57] <jmdault> yup
[16:57] <ttx> ok
[16:57]  * alexm is sorry for being missing for a while
[16:58] <mathiaz> all right then.
[16:58] <mathiaz> see you all next week, same place, same time
[16:58] <alexm> ok
[16:58] <mathiaz> don't forget iso testing for alpha5
[16:58] <mathiaz> that is scheduled for this Thursday
[16:58] <mathiaz> iso candidates are already up and waiting for testing
[16:59] <mathiaz> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:59] <mathiaz> thanks
[16:59] <mathiaz> #endmeeting