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Agenda
Items we will be discussing:
- Review ACTION points from previous meeting (jib)
- Beta2 status (ttx)
Beta2Freeze imminent
Remaining Beta2-targeted bugs
Remaining Beta2-targeted work items
Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
- Beta2 ISO testcases
Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
Bug 527208 - ec2 instance fails boot, no console output on c1.xlarge
Server Papercuts status for beta2: https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/lucid-beta-2 (ttx)
- Bugzapping status (kirkland)
- Server team upload rights (Daviey, mathiaz)
Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz)
- Information about server survey (nijaba)
- Open Discussion
- Announce next meeting date and time
Minutes
Agree on next meeting date and time
Next meeting will be on Wednesday, April 7th at 14:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.
Log
[15:02] <ttx> #startmeeting [15:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:02. The chair is ttx. [15:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:02] <ttx> Welcome to the Ubuntu Server team meeting [15:02] <ttx> Agenda is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [15:02] <ttx> Today's scribe is: mathiaz ! [15:02] <ttx> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [15:02] <MootBot> New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [15:03] <ttx> Only one action, mathiaz to discuss with cjwatson about ubuntu-server upload team [15:03] <mathiaz> ttx: not done [15:03] <mathiaz> ttx: replace cjwatson with persia [15:03] <ttx> mathiaz: maybe we shouldn't have it as an ACTION todo before the next meeting ? [15:03] <mathiaz> ttx: ok [15:04] <ttx> if you think you won't have time to complete it by next week, I don't see the point :) [15:04] <ttx> mathiaz: Keep it warm in your GTD ? [15:04] <mathiaz> ttx: it is [15:04] <mathiaz> ttx: just lots other stuff there as well [15:04] <ttx> [TOPIC] Beta2 status [15:04] <MootBot> New Topic: Beta2 status [15:05] <ttx> So tomorrow, Beta2Freeze will be upon us [15:05] <ttx> which means today is probably the last moment to get your non-exceptional fixes in [15:05] <ttx> Starting tomorrow, they will require a BetaFreezeException. [15:06] <ttx> Remaining beta2-targeted bugs: [15:06] <ttx> bug 292971 (mathiaz) [15:06] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 292971 in libnss-ldap "nscd leaking memory using libnss-ldap" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292971 [15:06] <mathiaz> ttx: that will probably require a BetaFreezeException [15:06] <ttx> mathiaz: ack [15:06] <mathiaz> ttx: as I don't plan to work on it before tomorrow [15:07] <mathiaz> (tomorrow is the second MySQL bug zap day) [15:07] <ttx> bug 493593 (zul) [15:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 493593 in scgi "MIR for paste." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/493593 [15:07] <mathiaz> arg - s/tomorrow/today/ [15:07] <ttx> and bug 408402 (zul) [15:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 408402 in facter "Main Inclusion Report for facter." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408402 [15:07] <ttx> Those are MIR bugs that still need to progress on some deps [15:08] <ttx> A recent search turned out a few bugs milestoned to beta2 but not targeted to lucid [15:08] <ttx> LP downtime prevented me from triaging them === jamie is now known as JamieBennett [15:09] <ttx> I think at least one of them will fall into our plate: [15:09] <ttx> bug 532733 (kirkland) [15:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 532733 in qemu-kvm "apt/dpkg in qemu-system-arm hangs if a big task is installed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532733 [15:09] <kirkland> ttx: that probably won't be mine [15:09] <kirkland> ttx: that'll be lool or ogra [15:09] <ttx> ah [15:09] <ttx> ok [15:09] <kirkland> ttx: i'm happy to help them [15:09] <kirkland> ttx: but it's very specific to their use case [15:10] <ttx> ok, I'll ping you if there is anything left on that list that we need to care for before Freeze or Release [15:10] <ttx> Looking at Beta2-targeted work items [15:10] <ttx> on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html [15:10] <ttx> I think all the work items that needed to be completed before the Freeze were done [15:11] <ttx> with maybe the exception of: [15:11] <ttx> puppet/uec-ec2: integrate upstream patches for testsuite [15:11] <ttx> id-mgt-ref-env: apockage latest sssd [15:11] <mathiaz> ttx: I may have time to do that [15:11] <mathiaz> ttx: (ie puppet patches) [15:12] <mathiaz> ttx: upstream closed all the bugs yesterday stating there is a patch available [15:12] <ttx> mathiaz: ah, good news [15:12] <mathiaz> ttx: if I don't get it done by beta2 freeze, I'll postpone it to final [15:12] <ttx> mathiaz: package sssd -> postponed ? [15:12] <mathiaz> ttx: as fixing the test suite is not beta2 critical [15:13] <mathiaz> ttx: sssd yes - If I don't have the time to do it [15:13] <mathiaz> ttx: today [15:13] <ttx> ok [15:13] <ttx> Otherwise I think we are on track for Beta2, if you think you aren't, please shout now. [15:13] <ttx> kirkland: note that I added a libvirt 0.7.7 compatibility test work item to the euca spec [15:13] <ttx> to reflect the ongoing discussion with jdstrand [15:14] <kirkland> ttx: i'm meeting up with jdstrand on thursday to work on libvirt [15:14] <ttx> (can be done post-Freeze) [15:14] <ttx> kirkland: cool ! [15:14] <kirkland> ttx: yeah, planning on spending a full day on libvirt [15:14] <ScottK> New for Beta 2 we now have RC2 of clamav 0.96. Unless something major comes up this will be their last RC before they release, so if anyone cares about clamav, now's a good time for testing (packages for earlier releases in the ubuntu-clamav PPA). [15:14] <kirkland> ttx: if anyone else wants to help with libvirt testing this week, sync up with me and jdstrand ;-) [15:15] <ttx> ScottK: ack [15:15] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [15:15] <MootBot> New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [15:15] <ttx> hggdh: hi ! [15:15] <hggdh> hi, life is good. A question [15:16] <hggdh> stress and stability tests for UEC -- mathiaz's tests are enough? [15:16] <hggdh> If so, I am done with B1 [15:16] <mathiaz> hggdh: do you mean the multi_config tests? [15:16] <hggdh> yes [15:16] <ttx> hggdh: I think so... unless kirkland or mathiaz have hidden tests up their sleeves [15:16] <mathiaz> hggdh: ie starting 20 instances and make sure they all work? [15:17] <hggdh> mathiaz: I ran with 20, 40, 100, 300 [15:17] * kirkland high fives hggdh [15:17] * hggdh blushes [15:17] <mathiaz> hggdh: great - that should do it for stress/scalability tests [15:17] <nealmcb> :) [15:17] <kirkland> hggdh: if you got 300 instances running, you've been me :-) [15:17] <kirkland> beaten [15:17] <mathiaz> hggdh: have you gone through all the topologies? [15:17] <hggdh> 2 to go through [15:18] <hggdh> so I am (yet) not done [15:18] <ttx> Should we plan to run the multi-network topology by hand ? [15:18] <mathiaz> hggdh: multi-network being one of them? [15:18] <mathiaz> ttx: for the time being yes [15:18] <ttx> ok [15:19] <hggdh> mathiaz: yes. multi-network is higjly hand-driven [15:19] <mathiaz> ttx: I may be able to deploy it on the UEC test rig [15:19] <ttx> kirkland: you managed to run a CC with 2 NICs on your setup ? [15:19] <kirkland> ttx: i have not [15:20] <ttx> kirkland: I suggest you go and buy a USB Gb NIC [15:20] <ttx> if that's the blocker [15:20] <kirkland> ttx: okay, so I should focus on testing multi-network at this point? [15:20] <ttx> kirkland: I wouldn't say "focus", but having the ability to run that test would be good [15:21] <ttx> kirkland: otherwise it sounds like I'm the only one to test that. [15:21] <kirkland> ttx: well, it's a time-consuming effort, so if it's something i need to work on, it will need to be my "focus" [15:21] <ttx> kirkland: libvirt has more priority [15:21] <kirkland> ttx: i have the hardware to do so, I believe [15:21] <kirkland> ttx: okay, thanks, that's what I needed [15:21] <ttx> hggdh: I had a question for you about Beta2 ISO testcases. Any way we can preview what you plan to have for beta2, so that we can fix testcases and report issues ? [15:22] <ttx> hggdh: in particular, I mentioned having tests for UEC install topologies in the ISo tracker for amd64 [15:22] <ttx> hggdh: is that done, any way to preview it ? [15:23] <hggdh> ttx, no changes from what is already there, no time [15:23] <ttx> hggdh: is the plan to change those before beta2 ? [15:23] <hggdh> got my hands full figuring out how uec runs [15:23] <ttx> hggdh: do you need our help ? [15:24] <ttx> hggdh: could someone else working on the tracker (ara ?) help ? [15:24] <hggdh> right now I am finally -- I think -- getting it [15:24] <ttx> hggdh: if the cases are created, I can certainly document them. [15:24] <hggdh> ttx will do them today. This is why I also asked if the stress tests were done for B1 [15:24] <ttx> ok [15:25] <ttx> hggdh: keep me posted... [15:25] <ttx> anything else for QA ? [15:25] <hggdh> no, not right now [15:25] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [15:25] <MootBot> New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [15:25] <ttx> hggdh: thanks [15:25] <ttx> jjohansen: hi [15:25] <jjohansen> hi [15:26] <jjohansen> fixes for Bug #540378, Bug #527208 have gone into the beta2 kernel [15:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 540378 in linux-ec2 "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 66s! [swapper:0]" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540378 [15:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 527208 in linux-ec2 "ec2 instance fails boot, no console output on c1.xlarge" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527208 [15:27] <ttx> jjohansen: great ! any reason why the bugs are not marked fixed yet ? You need to upload them ? [15:27] <jjohansen> no promise that it will fix all soft lockups as they are caused by a variety of things but they shouldn't happen near as often [15:27] <jjohansen> ttx: hrrm, I have to check into that, they were just sucked in yesterday [15:28] <leoquant> 2/part [15:28] <ttx> jjohansen: if they are in the pipe, I'm happy with it [15:28] <ttx> anything else from/to kernel ? [15:29] <jjohansen> I can't think of anything on my end [15:29] <ttx> ok, thanks ! [15:29] <ttx> [TOPIC] Server Papercuts status for beta2 [15:29] <MootBot> New Topic: Server Papercuts status for beta2 [15:29] <ttx> So we are nearing the end of the Server papercuts effort [15:29] <ttx> as a papercut is not a valid BetaFreezeException motivation [15:30] <ttx> Status at: https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/lucid-beta-2 [15:30] <ttx> We have 8 bugs fixed (the inprogress one will move to fixreleased as soon as LP unfreezes) [15:30] <ttx> 1 invalid, 2 left open [15:31] <ttx> feel free to try to fix the 2 last "confirmed" ones if you have the time [15:31] <ttx> We'll discuss at UDS-M how successful it was and if we should do it again, even on non-LTS cycles [15:32] <ttx> I think it failed to motivate new contrributors, but still had a positive effect overrall [15:32] <ttx> Comments on that ? [15:33] <hggdh> ttx: we should discuss on UDS-M how to motivate them contributors [15:33] <kirkland> ttx: +1 for another discussion at UDS [15:33] <nijaba> ttx: I take it we don't accept new papercuts now? [15:33] <ttx> hggdh: yes. it's a more global "server community" discussion, I suspect [15:33] <kirkland> ttx: we clearly need to investigate how to motivate our community [15:33] <ttx> nijaba: we won't consider any new ones [15:34] <nijaba> ttx: thanks for confirming [15:34] <ttx> nijaba: for lucid [15:34] <kirkland> ttx: i have a similar feeling about the bug-zapping effort [15:34] <ttx> nijaba: nominating them could be useful if we decide to pursue the effort for M [15:34] <ttx> good transition ! [15:34] <ttx> [TOPIC] Bugzapping status (kirkland) [15:34] <MootBot> New Topic: Bugzapping status (kirkland) [15:34] <kirkland> ttx: we really smoked eucalyptus, euca2ools, cloud-utils, and cloud-init bugs last week [15:35] <kirkland> ttx: was a really successful, focused week of bug fixing [15:35] <ttx> so it was a "cloud" smoke [15:35] <kirkland> ttx: yeah, like Lost [15:35] * kirkland is going to shave his head like John Locke [15:35] <kirkland> :-) [15:35] <ttx> kirkland: did you have external contributors to this one ? [15:35] <kirkland> ttx: this week, as I said, I'm planning on spending at least all day Thursday on Libvirt [15:35] <kirkland> ttx: no :-( [15:36] <kirkland> ttx: but we did focus on euca* cloud* and we do have a better UEC because of the intense focus, I believe [15:36] <ttx> mathiaz: did you get some external help on the bugday portion of the mysql bugzap ? [15:36] <mathiaz> ttx: pedro and zul helped in triagging bugs [15:37] * ttx remembers having two external people helping for the samba bugday part of the samba bugzapping [15:38] <ttx> kirkland: do you plan to run something for week 23 ? [15:38] <ttx> (next week) [15:38] <kirkland> ttx: i don't think so [15:39] <kirkland> ttx: unless you or someone else has a suggestion [15:39] <ttx> kirkland: freezes are not the best moment to do so anyway [15:39] <kirkland> ttx: i just don't think it's generated the participation that we're hoping [15:39] <kirkland> ttx: though it has stabilized the packages we need to be stable [15:39] <ttx> ok. [15:39] <kirkland> ttx: i think my time will be better spent crushing beta2 blockers [15:39] <kirkland> ttx: okay by you? [15:40] <ttx> kirkland: yes, and catching the overlooked critical bug in a sea of bug reports [15:40] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review (mathiaz) [15:40] <MootBot> New Topic: Weekly SRU review (mathiaz) [15:40] <ttx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review [15:41] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [15:41] <MootBot> LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [15:41] <mathiaz> ^^ anything SRU worth on this list? [15:42] * ttx wonders why the openldap upgrade bugs don't show up in the list [15:42] <mathiaz> ttx: the list is generated on Sunday night IIRC [15:42] <ttx> ah [15:42] <ttx> that will be next week topic, then :) [15:43] <mathiaz> ttx: yes [15:43] <ttx> nothing from me, then ;) [15:43] <mathiaz> there are two bugs nominated for karmic: [15:43] <mathiaz> bug 392190 [15:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 392190 in vm-builder "vmbuilder fails silently when providing invalid hostname" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392190 [15:43] <mathiaz> bug 502490 [15:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 502490 in vm-builder "ec2-init overwrites user/vmbuilder provided /etc/apt/sources.list" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502490 [15:44] <ttx> first one needs to be fixed in Lucid first [15:44] <ttx> smoser: what's your opinion on the second one, any value in backporting as a karmic SRU ? [15:45] <smoser> hmm.... [15:45] <smoser> i could go either way. [15:45] <smoser> i dont think its terribly, terribly important. [15:45] <smoser> as there are many work arounds, like using sources.list.d [15:45] <mathiaz> ok - I'll decline both bugs then [15:46] <ttx> mathiaz: you're done ? [15:46] <mathiaz> yes [15:46] <ttx> [TOPIC] Information about server survey (nijaba) [15:46] <MootBot> New Topic: Information about server survey (nijaba) [15:46] <ttx> nijaba: o/ [15:46] <nijaba> ttx: that was for the meeting that was cancelled [15:47] <ttx> and it doesn't make sense anymore ? [15:47] <nijaba> since that I guess you've seen my email in the ml [15:47] <ttx> ok :) [15:47] <ttx> nijaba: so we rock more, right ? [15:47] <nijaba> it was juste to annoucne that the full results are available to anyone in the community that might need it [15:47] <nijaba> ttx: we rock HARD [15:47] <nijaba> :) [15:48] <ttx> ok, let's rock even harder [15:49] <ttx> [TOPIC] Open Discussion [15:49] <MootBot> New Topic: Open Discussion [15:49] <hggdh> ttx: question: should I keep on testing UEC on daily? [15:49] <ttx> hggdh: if that can be done at a lesser cost, that would be great to spot regressions [15:50] <ttx> hggdh: if it's fully automated and doesn't require your constant attention, I'd say yes [15:50] <ScottK> ttx: I think we should have a session at UDS on what we want 12.04 to look like, so we have an idea of longer term stuff we need to start on now. [15:50] <hggdh> I think *now* it is less cost, the most difficult was to understand the setup and UEC itself [15:50] <ttx> ScottK: that's a very good point. [15:50] <mathiaz> hggdh: note that daily are not always functional [15:51] <ttx> Discuss anything that would span multiple releases, as well as what needs to be done for the next 6 months [15:52] <ttx> hggdh: what needs to be done is the post-milestone validation and the pre-milestone candidate testing. Anything else (like testing all dailies) is bonus points [15:52] <ttx> (what needs to be done is tracked in the spec) [15:53] <ttx> ok, let's wrap up, if nobody else has any comment [15:54] <ttx> Announce next meeting date and time : same time, same place, next week. [15:54] <ttx> I gather DST makes this time slightly more convenient ? [15:54] <Daviey> (less) [15:54] <ttx> (equal) [15:54] <kirkland> ttx: more! [15:55] <mathiaz> more would even be better [15:55] <ttx> mathiaz: sleepy head [15:55] <Daviey> 15:00 UTC ++ [15:56] <ttx> Try to pay lots of beers to jib at UDS to make him change time [15:56] <ttx> Daviey: ^ [15:56] <ttx> #endmeeting