== Agenda == * Review ACTION points from previous meeting * Maverick Blueprints and Specs * Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) * Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) * Weekly SRU review: [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review]] (mathiaz) * Open Discussion * Announce next meeting date and time * New proposed meeting time starting the Maverick cycle: Tuesday 6 pm UTC == Minutes == ## Use title4 (ie ==== ) for each section of the minutes ## Only topics discussed during the meetings should be put in the minutes. ## Status reporting is done via another channel. ==== Review ACTION points from previous meeting (ttx) ==== * No action points ==== Maverick Blueprints and Specs ==== * Please have a look at specs where you are set as drafter, and set them to "Drafting" if you started drafting. Some reassignment/balancing may occur * Feature Definition Freeze is June 17th. specs should be considered due for approval by May 27, which means they must be submitted for review by May 25th. * For Server Team work, the Implementation section of the SpecTemplate is largely replaced by the Work Item tracker. * this is the merging period, so please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging * '''[ACTION]''' ttx to confirm spec submission deadlines with Jos * '''[ACTION]''' ttx to walk SpamapS through the spec process ==== Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) ==== * hggdh expects to handle the UEC Testing spec with some input from mathiaz and smoser ==== Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) ==== * mathiaz asked about a bug on his x201 laptop. Very server-ish, indeed. ==== Weekly SRU review ==== * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review * There was a session at UDS discussing improvements to the SRU process. This will result in a blueprint and work items. ==== Open Discussion ==== * The Canonical Server Team has grown, adding * SpamapS (Clint Byrum): Web/Ops stack * Davey (Dave Walker): UEC * ccheney (Chris Cheney): Desktop Team on loan to server team for some UEC related work. ==== Agree on next meeting date and time ==== The next meeting will be: Tue May 25 18:00 UTC 2010 == Log == {{{ [18:57] o// [18:57] o/ [18:58] o/ [18:58] yo [18:58] kirkland looking forward to it? :) [19:00] o/ [19:00] Welcome everyone [19:00] /o//^98 [19:01] ~o~ [19:01] to another season of the exciting adventures of the Ubuntu Server team [19:01] #startmeeting [19:01] Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is ttx. [19:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [19:01] Ooooooo [19:01] is it a sequal? [19:01] Agenda is up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [19:01] or a prequal [19:01] \0 [19:01] smoser is the lucky scribe [19:02] ah. joy. [19:02] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [19:02] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [19:02] No ACTION that I can find [19:02] * mathiaz agrees [19:02] [TOPIC] Maverick blueprints and specs (ttx) [19:02] New Topic: Maverick blueprints and specs (ttx) [19:03] So, while we recover from 5 (10?) days away from home, it's time to start drafting specs [19:04] Please have a look at specs where you are set as drafter, and set them to "Drafting" if you started drafting [19:04] I didn't manage to sync with Jos after UDS on potential reassignments [19:04] * Daviey doesn't have any, and would be happy to volunteer some if people are overloaded. [19:04] so please just take what you care the most about for now (or what you think will be assigned to you anyway)Ã [19:05] Daviey: I expect kirkland to offload some of his UEC specs to the rest of the team [19:05] Daviey: if not, I've one for you :) [19:05] Oh joy :) [19:05] Daviey: but I'll wait for Jos to confirm first :P [19:05] ok. [19:06] SpamapS: you should get a few too [19:06] SpamapS: hiding won't help you [19:06] hehe [19:06] Any question on the blueprint/specs side ? [19:07] ttx: yes [19:07] ttx: what's the deadline for spec writing? [19:07] ttx: Jos assigned a few of the blueprints to me already [19:07] ttx: and how does it play with the first iteration of the cycle? [19:07] * SpamapS still will attempt hiding tho [19:07] mathiaz: that's a good question. [19:07] * ttx looks [19:08] SpamapS: i'll ping you later on this week to discuss cloud-loadbalancing autoregistration. I alraedy have an idea on how to implement it :) [19:08] ttx: should the WI be defined for all BP? [19:08] ttx: is there a good wiki page on spec writing somewhere? [19:08] Feature Definition Freeze is on Jun 17th [19:08] RoAkSoAx: excellent, I look forward to hearing what you have in mind. [19:09] SpamapS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate [19:09] I'd expect specs to be filed and approved by May 27th [19:09] being rather new, directions on spec writing are also welcome [19:09] ttx: when does the first iteration start? [19:09] hggdh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate [19:09] mathiaz: but again, haven't synced with Jos on the new release schedule yet [19:09] hggdh: SpamapS: use the SpecTemplate as template for the wiki page [19:10] mathiaz: it's already started, in a way [19:10] to outline what needs to be done [19:10] SpamapS: :) we'll discuss that later this week since I believe we didn't have enough time at UDS session to discuss it [19:10] not all the sections will be needed [19:10] the focus is on getting the design section written [19:10] mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule shows A2 is already started [19:10] mathiaz: thanks [19:10] mathiaz: however, we can consider being in Iteration planning this week and the next [19:11] the implementation section has been superseeded with Work Items in the BP whiteboard [19:11] hggdh: SpamapS: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto for we're tracking work items [19:11] mathiaz: Pending another direction, consider they are due for approval by May 27th, which means must be submitted for review by May 25th [19:12] it would be nice if mathiaz would update the spec template to indicate that [19:12] smoser: that == implmentation? [19:12] yes [19:12] smoser: I don't think it's official yet [19:12] SpamapS: i'll talk you through the process offline [19:12] smoser: it's more what I've found out last cycle [19:12] SpamapS: after the meeting [19:13] smoser: ttx may have another opinion on the use of the implementation section [19:13] smoser: moreover the SpecTemplate is a wiki template used throughout the whole Ubuntu project [19:13] mathiaz: no, I agree with you. [19:14] smoser: some team may choose to still use the implementation section [19:14] it surely would make sense to have it mentioned there at least "You may replace this with the work item tracker " [19:14] mathiaz: Sometime I use that section as a tracker when things are not easily tracked by work items [19:14] mathiaz: but that's purely optional and depending on the work needed [19:15] * ccheney is here too btw, forgot to announce earlier [19:15] Otherwise, this is the merging period, so please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging [19:15] for me, the design section == what we're trying to do (ie the end goal, the results) [19:15] and the implementation section == how we get there, which step, the plan (-> Work items) [19:16] mathiaz: for me, the Design discusses how we'll achieve the goal technically, and Implementation/WI show the detailed step by step plan [19:16] * kirkland is having irc proxy issues, but i'm here [19:16] kirkland: o/ [19:16] ttx: right - I think we're in agreement here [19:17] OK, any other question on that ? [19:17] ttx: please repeat any questions that were directed at me up until now [19:17] mathiaz / ttx: Can you write a summary on the ML/Wiki? [19:17] Daviey: As soon as I have confirmed the deadlines with Jos, sure [19:17] I'm planning to use diagrams this cycle (following up on my whiteboard experiement at UDS) :) [19:17] super [19:17] [ACTION] ttx to confirm spec submission deadlines with Jos [19:17] ACTION received: ttx to confirm spec submission deadlines with Jos [19:18] [ACTIOn] ttx to walk SpamapS through the spec process [19:18] ACTION received: ttx to walk SpamapS through the spec process [19:18] Daviey: are you asking for a summary of the spec guidelines as well? [19:18] mathiaz: yes.. in diagram form :) [19:18] Daviey: I expect kirkland to offload some of his UEC specs to the rest of the team [19:18] Daviey: if not, I've one for you :) [19:18] mathiaz: There seems to be some confusion/agreement.. and would be nice to have something to refer to. [19:19] kirkland: ^ (answering Daviey asking for some drafting work) [19:19] * mathiaz opens his 32nd document in Dia [19:19] * Daviey hopes kirkland's irc proxy issues are continuing [19:19] * sommer chuckles [19:19] Daviey: yep, i'm here [19:19] ttx: will do [19:20] Any other question on specing/merging ? [19:20] Moving on to... [19:20] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [19:20] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [19:20] hggdh: o/ [19:20] nothing new on the eastern front [19:20] * hggdh still recovering [19:21] hggdh: are you going to be assigned the new UEC testing spec ? [19:21] (or expecting to be assigned) [19:21] ttx: I would expect so, and was considering drafting it (with help from mathiaz and smoser) [19:21] hggdh: ok, makes sense [19:22] I don't have any other questions... Team ? [19:22] nope [19:22] not here [19:22] I have one [19:22] may I start looking at NTP bugs? [19:22] hggdh: shoot [19:22] hggdh: im for it [19:22] hggdh: you may start looking at any bug :) [19:23] heh. I meant I will specialise on them, if all agree [19:23] and slowly take over the world [19:23] im all for taking over the world [19:23] hggdh: no problem. You need to start working on package bugfixes anyway, to get exposure [19:23] ttx: ack [19:23] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [19:23] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [19:23] hey [19:23] hggdh: thanks [19:23] jjohansen: o/ [19:24] so nothing really new on the kernel front [19:24] I would have been surpised if we had :) [19:24] I don't have questions or bugs for you yet :) [19:25] I have one - but not really related to -server hw [19:25] well smoser does, but I haven't made any progress on it since yesterday :) [19:25] I just got my new x201 [19:25] mathiaz: nice [19:25] what is the issue? [19:25] and the external display isn't working [19:25] less nice. [19:25] there are also some issues with the graphic driver [19:25] well would be a shame to let jjohansen go empty handed.. any news on the kernel issue with my "server" bug #576601? [19:25] there is a bug about it though [19:25] Launchpad bug 576601 in linux "[MacBookPro 7,1]mcp89 sata link reset fails, no disks detected" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/576601 [19:26] mathiaz: bug # [19:26] jjohansen: bug 554569 [19:26] Launchpad bug 554569 in linux "[lucid] Blank screen with KMS on Thinkpad X201 with Arrandale (i915)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554569 [19:26] Daviey: sadly no progress I know of there [19:27] jjohansen: ^^ you get a blank screen when to try to install from the iso [19:27] I hope it will be fixed with 10.04.1 [19:27] jjohansen: thanks [19:28] well - that's all I had for the kernel team [19:28] mathiaz: hrmm okay I'll look into it and get back to you with what I find [19:28] * ttx moves on [19:28] jjohansen: great - thanks [19:28] [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) [19:28] New Topic: Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) [19:28] including Changes discussed at UDS on SRU tracking [19:29] hm - right [19:29] so bug 575945 [19:29] Launchpad bug 575945 in chkrootkit "chkrootkit falsely flags files owned by Firefox 3 and Sun Java 6 valid packages" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/575945 [19:29] is nominated for hardy [19:29] and two bugs for lucid [19:29] mathiaz/zul: I propose that we move to the new model starting next week [19:29] ack [19:29] though explaining it first today would be nice [19:29] ttx: ok - that's going to require some work though [19:30] ttx: ie - some WI and development [19:30] mathiaz: for the tracking yes, but to replace the nomination review, maybe not ? [19:30] so following up on the sru-process discussion at UDS [19:30] I meant switching nomination review from meeting to ML [19:30] we'll move the nomination review to the ML [19:31] ttx: a script needs to be develop to generate the list of bugs to review for nominations [19:31] mathiaz: hmm, ok. Maybe we should wait before switching then [19:31] (which should also include the list of bugs closed) [19:32] mathiaz: and continue until the spec is written [19:32] ttx: that's why I think we should write a BP for the sru-process as well [19:32] ack [19:32] as there will be some development work required [19:32] ok, let's keep the current process until we have a plan for this [19:32] (and resources assigned to make it work) [19:33] ok [19:33] * ttx looks at this week's nominations [19:33] bug 575945 is incomplete -> decline [19:33] Launchpad bug 575945 in chkrootkit "chkrootkit falsely flags files owned by Firefox 3 and Sun Java 6 valid packages" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/575945 [19:34] ttx: just accepted [19:34] as mdeslaur seems to have a backport ready in a PPA [19:34] ah, ok [19:34] bug 574704 [19:34] Launchpad bug 574704 in munin "munin-node after update to Lucid still in /etc/rc*.d, invoked twice" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574704 [19:34] I'll defer to check on this one [19:34] to Chuck [19:34] that one needs more testing [19:35] zul: SRU worth? [19:35] zul: you intend to SRU it ? [19:35] yeah i do [19:35] * mathiaz accepts the bug then [19:35] bug 576910 [19:35] Launchpad bug 576910 in php5 "Regression: getPathInfo() doesn't return parent info" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/576910 [19:35] i havent seen that one [19:36] yeah i can see that one being sru [19:36] I'd say yes [19:36] would be nice if the reporter gave an example of something it broke. [19:36] freaking php ;) [19:36] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [19:36] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [19:36] ^^ anything SRU worth on this list? [19:37] mathiaz: nothing from me [19:37] most of those i seen sru's for already [19:37] ie dovecot [19:37] alright - then that's all [19:37] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [19:37] New Topic: Open Discussion [19:38] Anything/anyone ? [19:38] sommer: If you want a hand with your doc's spec, do shout out for it. :) [19:39] * ttx introduces SpamapS, a new team member that will care about our Web/Ops stack [19:39] SpamapS: o/ [19:39] Daviey: will do... there's some good discussion on the ubuntu-doc list at the moment [19:39] * ttx doesn't introduce Daviey, a new team member that everyone already knows. [19:39] sommer: I'll follow it. [19:39] boo [19:39] bah [19:39] hehe [19:39] and ccheney that joins the server team for some time as well [19:40] yea! :-) [19:40] sommer: I was wondering if, as discussed at UDS, you'd like a weekly slot in the team meeting (like QA and kernel ?) [19:40] mathiaz, ccheney: indeed ! Too many new people, I get lost [19:40] Hi everyone. :) [19:41] sorry I was still reading list of bugs for SRU consideration. [19:41] SpamapS: you have to be faster :P [19:41] ttx: maybe... I'll have more time to stay up to date this cycle so I think we'll see how it goes [19:41] ttx: Thats precisely what the bus drivers were trying to teach us wasn't it? [19:42] ttx: can we go home now? :) [19:42] Daviey: meaning "can I take my pants off now?" [19:42] i think it should be clarifid that Davey and SpamapS are new members to the Canonical Server Team. [19:42] Daviey is by no means new to the Ubuntu Server teeam [19:42] SpamapS: you need to check your US to UK translations. :) [19:43] Daviey: ok, ok [19:43] Daviey: I'm using Benny Hill's US<->UK dictionary.. is that not a good one? [19:43] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [19:43] New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time [19:43] smoser: Also, I am a member of the Canonical Desktop Team on loan to Canonical Server Team for this release cycle. [19:43] Next week, same time, same place [19:43] :( [19:43] RoAkSoAx: do you want to chat about load balancing now or later? [19:43] Daviey: you can go to your dinner now :) [19:43] * sommer +1 [19:44] heh. For me, lunch [19:44] \o/ [19:44] SpamapS: as you prefer [19:45] #endmeeting [19:45] Meeting finished at 13:45. }}}