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Review ACTION points from previous meeting

The discussion about "Review ACTION points from previous meeting" started at 16:03.

Saucy Development

The discussion about "Saucy Development" started at 16:08.

  • Release Tracking Bug Tasks (16:08)

  • Blueprints (16:22)

    • arosales will file a bug to have the trend line updated.
    • MariaDB/Percona: zul says that he hasn't heard anything. Daviey will reach out to them this week. ACTION: Daviey to speak to Percona about Saucy inclusion

Ubuntu Server Team Events

The discussion about "Ubuntu Server Team Events" started at 16:33.

  • Linaro Connect is in Dublin next week.
  • An Openstack 3rd birthday event is in London on the 19th.

Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (plars)

The discussion about "Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (plars)" started at 16:34.

Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)

The discussion about "Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)" started at 16:35.

Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)

The discussion about "Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)" started at 16:41.

  • No updates.
  • Daviey asked about mongodb status. rbasak reported that it is still on his TODO list.

Open Discussion

The discussion about "Open Discussion" started at 16:42.

  • rbasak suggested that with the problems with chairs not completing post-meeting procedures, perhaps they should remain the chair, without rotation, until post-meeting procedures are completed, as an incentive to get things done. rbasak proposed that this start with him. Nobody had any comments.

Announce next meeting date, time and chair

The discussion about "Announce next meeting date, time and chair" started at 16:46.

The next meeting will be on Tuesday, 9 July 2013 at 1600 UTC. yolanda will chair.

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People present (lines said)

  • rbasak (91)
  • Daviey (59)
  • jamespage (33)
  • arosales (11)
  • ubottu (10)
  • meetingology (5)
  • plars (4)
  • zul (3)
  • xnox (3)
  • roaksoax (3)
  • smb (2)
  • yolanda (1)
  • utlemming (1)

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  • 16:03 <rbasak> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team

    16:03 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 2 16:03:09 2013 UTC. The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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    16:03 <rbasak> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting

    16:03 <arosales> Daviey set priority on s-cycle BPs

    16:03 <arosales> Daviey follow up on missing BPs from overview s-topic

    16:04 <rbasak> I don't see last week's meeting logs

    16:04 <arosales> rbasak, I just updated the wiki page with those two actions

    16:05 <rbasak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20130625 doesn't exist.

    16:05 <Daviey> arosales: Broadsided me Smile :-)

    16:05 <rbasak> I'll look at the IRC logs.

    16:05 <Daviey> I believe the priorities are all good NOW.. I need to double check they are all on the status tracker.

    16:05 <arosales> rbasak, yes sorry I didn't add that there

    16:05 <Daviey> Mark it done, will double check following this.

    16:05 <arosales> the moin logs are at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-06-25-16.00.moin.txt

    16:05 <arosales> rbasak, I'll get those added to the wiki

    16:06 <rbasak> Thanks

    16:06 <rbasak> #action arosales to carry out post-meeting procedure (minutes, etc) documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase for meeting of 25 June

    16:06 * meetingology arosales to carry out post-meeting procedure (minutes, etc) documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase for meeting of 25 June

    16:07 <rbasak> Sorry I'm just catching up.

    16:07 <arosales> rbasak, thank you

    16:07 <rbasak> Daviey follow up on missing BPs from overview s-topic

    16:07 <rbasak> Did you just cover that?

    16:08 <Daviey> Yes

    16:08 <rbasak> OK

    16:08 <rbasak> #topic Saucy Development

    16:08 <rbasak> #subtopic Release Tracking Bug Tasks

    16:08 <rbasak> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-s-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server

    16:09 <rbasak> Shall I go through these?

    16:09 <Daviey> rbasak: Please do

    16:09 <rbasak> Would it be an idea to make sure someone is assigned to each of them?

    16:09 <rbasak> bug 1124384

    16:09 <ubottu> bug 1124384 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Saucy) "Configuration reload clears event that others jobs may be waiting on" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1124384

    16:10 <rbasak> utlemming: any comment? Do you want to follow that through?

    16:10 <rbasak> bug 1196921

    16:10 <ubottu> bug 1196921 in vim (Ubuntu Saucy) "updating packages to lua5.2 in main" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196921

    16:10 <rbasak> Nobody is assigned at the moment. Any volunteers?

    16:11 <Daviey> Looks like 1124384 has become a hard problem, but smoser and utlemming are tracking it. Not worried it will be resolved

    16:11 <Daviey> 1196921 looks like a transition that could be painful.. As it's not a blocking package, i think we can leave it for this week

    16:11 <rbasak> bug 1183634

    16:11 <ubottu> bug 1183634 in cheetah (Ubuntu Saucy) "cheetah pkg does not depend on markdown, but egg requires.txt does" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183634

    16:12 <rbasak> Looks like it's waiting on the MIR team.

    16:12 <Daviey> adam_g is tracking that

    16:12 <rbasak> bug 1170393

    16:12 <ubottu> bug 1170393 in quantum (Ubuntu Saucy) "Quantum services should be respawned by upstart if necessary" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1170393

    16:12 <Daviey> I think 1183634 needs an upload to make it show on c-m list

    16:13 <Daviey> jamespage: what am i looking at on that bug? Shows Won't Fix?

    16:13 <jamespage> I'll take that quantum one

    16:14 <rbasak> May I assign it, so that we remember for next week?

    16:14 <Daviey> jamespage: Why does the recent change show Won't Fix?

    16:14 <jamespage> not a clue - rbasak - I've already done that 16:14 * jamespage shrugs

    16:14 <rbasak> Thanks!

    16:15 <Daviey> Ah, i see.. the development series was thrown away, with a dedicated saucy task

    16:15 <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/1188069 is security and the security team are tracking it.

    16:15 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1188069 in apache2 (Ubuntu Saucy) "apache2 mod_rewrite CVE 2013-1862" [Low,Confirmed]

    16:15 <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libasm4-java/+bug/1196979

    16:15 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1196979 in ow-util-ant-tasks (Ubuntu Saucy) "[MIR] libasm4-java (b-d of jarjar)" [Undecided,New]

    16:15 <jamespage> anyone want to help with something java-ish

    16:15 <jamespage> ?

    16:15 <jamespage>

    16:15 <jamespage> two packages to transition to asm4 in main

    16:15 <jamespage> so we can get rid of asm3

    16:16 <Daviey> jamespage: Happen to know why jarjar is in main?

    16:16 <jamespage> cglib

    16:16 <jamespage> which is one of the things that needs to be transitioned

    16:16 <jamespage> I suspect its actually broken right now

    16:16 <jamespage> as asm upstream don't version their package namespaces and they are not backwards compat

    16:16 <Daviey> ugh!

    16:16 <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nagios-plugins/+bug/1031680

    16:16 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1031680 in nagios-plugins (Ubuntu Raring) "check_apt always report 0 critical updates" [High,Triaged]

    16:17 <Daviey> jamespage: Do you have capacity to triage that?

    16:17 <jamespage> nagios or asm4?

    16:17 <Daviey> (java one)

    16:17 <jamespage> yeah - sure

    16:17 <Daviey> ta

    16:17 <jamespage> (I discussed with doko earlier in -devel anyways)

    16:18 <rbasak> I've been looking at this one. It's a complex issue and there's a workaround (use a different, much simpler plugin). I'm not sure it can be fixed in _this package_ for Saucy without introducing a horrible delta.

    16:18 <Daviey> rsome good triage there

    16:18 <rbasak> xnox: any comment on that? You targetted it for Saucy.

    16:18 <Daviey> rbasak: seems xnox raised it with upstream?

    16:18 <rbasak> I raised it.

    16:19 <Daviey> Oh sorry.

    16:19 <rbasak> The only comment is that we need to provide input since upstream need help. But the only sane way of fixing it is to ditch the plugin and use update-notifier directly, for Ubuntu.

    16:19 <Daviey> rbasak: lets wait to see if upstream respond?

    16:19 <rbasak> They sort of have.

    16:19 <xnox> rbasak: looking... trying to remember.

    16:19 <rbasak> " I'm less keen on having

    16:19 <rbasak> the behaviour depend on whether or not some tool is available, though; as

    16:20 <rbasak> that's problematic with respect to maintenance and support. And I guess

    16:20 <rbasak> update-notifier is a bit too Ubuntu-ish to add a hard dependency on

    16:20 <rbasak> apt-check ...

    16:20 <rbasak> Sorry I thought that'd paste on one line.

    16:20 <Daviey> So do we simply recommend using the other tool?

    16:20 <rbasak> IMHO, yes.

    16:20 <Daviey> WFM

    16:20 <rbasak> The alternative isn't packaged, though.

    16:20 <Daviey> if it's a drop in feature compatible

    16:20 <rbasak> It's not.

    16:20 <Daviey> Pah

    16:20 <rbasak> But it'll do for 99% of use cases IMHO.

    16:21 <rbasak> The existing plugin's interface is very much based on the way it works. It's not really a clean interface.

    16:21 <rbasak> How about I take this to the ML?

    16:21 <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtinst/+bug/1192290

    16:21 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1192290 in virtinst (Ubuntu Saucy) "virt-install cannot install Raring" [Undecided,Confirmed]

    16:22 <Daviey> mdeslaur seems to be working on it

    16:22 <rbasak> OK that's all the bugs on that report for us.

    16:22 <Daviey> \o/

    16:22 <rbasak> #subtopic Blueprints

    16:22 <rbasak> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-saucy/group/topic-saucy-servercloud-overview.html

    16:23 <rbasak> That link appears to be broken.

    16:23 <jamespage> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-servercloud-overview.html

    16:23 <rbasak> Thanks!

    16:23 <rbasak> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-servercloud-overview.html

    16:23 <rbasak> I'll amend the agenda for next time.

    16:24 <Daviey> Ta

    16:24 <xnox> rbasak: yeah, i only mangled bug statuses to have this bug bubble up for saucy cycle. Ideally it should be resolved one way or the other, but could be regretfully postponed.

    16:24 <Daviey> arosales: Are you able to adjust the trend line?

    16:24 <arosales> Daviey, unfortunately no

    16:24 <arosales> Daviey, a bug report should get the right folks looking at it though

    16:25 <arosales> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-work-items-tracker/+filebug

    16:25 <rbasak> xnox: OK, thanks. I'll email the ML with what I think we should do and copy you in.

    16:25 <Daviey> utlemming / ivoks: What is servercloud-s-webscale MIR's blocked on?

    16:25 <jamespage> that topic is stilling missing bp's btw

    16:25 <xnox> rbasak: cool =) back in the day I used to do a lot of nagios/check_mk large scale monitoring.... =)

    16:26 <jamespage> Daviey, the MIR's are dependent on the other work items happening first

    16:26 <Daviey> jamespage: Will sweep up after this, but we have enough to track development of what is there for now

    16:26 <arosales> jamespage, I think Daviey has an action out to follow up on missing BPs

    16:26 <Daviey> jamespage: OIC

    16:26 <utlemming> Daviey: er, I am not sure...I'll look into that today. I've been out on vacation

    16:27 <Daviey> jamespage: Would you be able to work with zul to help with the direction of servercloud-s-openstack-hypervisor ?

    16:27 <jamespage> Daviey, can do

    16:27 <Daviey> jamespage: I suspect you are well placed to have some good guidance, based on last Friday

    16:27 <jamespage> ack

    16:28 <rbasak> Any more on Blueprints?

    16:28 <Daviey> roaksoax: What is our zeromq story right now?

    16:28 <Daviey> (servercloud-s-openstack-charms-ha-v2)

    16:28 <roaksoax> Daviey: have not look at it yet (been busy with charms mainly)

    16:28 <Daviey> ok

    16:29 <Daviey> Any more news on MariaDB/Percona ?

    16:29 <roaksoax> i'll have more information next week

    16:29 <zul> Daviey: they have gone silent

    16:29 <Daviey> I saw the ITP in Debian for xtrabackup

    16:29 <roaksoax> zul: didn't jcastro mentioned they were going to provide their own charm too?

    16:29 <Daviey> Okay, i'll reach out to them this week.

    16:29 <zul> roaksoax: they did but i havent heard anything else 16:30 * Daviey Daviey to speak to Percona about Saucy inclusion

    16:30 <Daviey> #ACTION Daviey to speak to Percona about Saucy inclusion 16:30 * meetingology Daviey to speak to Percona about Saucy inclusion

    16:30 <rbasak> I'd really like to see the alternatives in this cycle. Otherwise we'll end up not even being able to consider doing anything but supporting mysql for another LTS cycle.

    16:31 <Daviey> jamespage: Any news on juju-core snapshot in saucy ?

    16:31 <Daviey> rbasak: right

    16:31 <jamespage> Daviey, the juju-core team hit some issues end of last week

    16:31 <jamespage> should be resolved ~2 days ish

    16:32 <Daviey> super

    16:32 <Daviey> The rest looks ok, thanks.

    16:33 <rbasak> Thanks Daviey!

    16:33 <rbasak> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events

    16:33 <rbasak> Linaro Connect is in Dublin next week.

    16:33 <rbasak> (I'll be there)

    16:33 <rbasak> Any other upcoming events?

    16:33 <Daviey> Hmm

    16:34 <Daviey> 19th London, Openstack Meetup

    16:34 <Daviey> Openstack's 3rd birthday event

    16:34 <Daviey> EOF

    16:34 <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (plars)

    16:34 <rbasak> plars: hello!

    16:34 <plars> Hi

    16:34 <zul> it seems i am in the wrong part of the world for events

    16:34 <plars> Not much to report, except that the server images had some problems today

    16:34 <plars> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1196981

    16:34 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1196981 in Ubuntu CD Images "Saucy server installations fail due to dependancy issues on python-newt " [Undecided,Fix released]

    16:35 <plars> I believe the release team is looking into it

    16:35 <rbasak> Thanks plars! Does anyone have any questions for plars?

    16:35 <rbasak> OK.

    16:35 <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)

    16:35 <smb> Hi

    16:35 <smb> Not much to report. Currently working on a pre-release-pre-debian version of xen 4.3 to have the pieces together when the release happens. Any issues from server after kernel v3.10 hit the block?

    16:36 <rbasak> I still appear to be using a 3.9 based cloud image as of today.

    16:36 <rbasak> Any questions for smb?

    16:36 <Daviey> jamespage fixed openvswitch, iscisitarget is still broke

    16:37 <jamespage> next on my list

    16:37 <Daviey> jamespage: is there a bug for iscsi-target?

    16:37 <jamespage> yes

    16:37 <rbasak> Should we target that for Saucy?

    16:37 <jamespage> bug 1195607

    16:37 <ubottu> bug 1195607 in iscsitarget (Ubuntu Saucy) "iscsitarget-dkms broken since kernel 3.10.0" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195607

    16:37 <jamespage> it already is

    16:37 <Daviey> Thanks 16:37 * jamespage wonders about the release bugs list again

    16:37 <rbasak> It didn't come up on the tracking page though?

    16:38 <Daviey> it's not tagged

    16:38 <Daviey> Tags are useless. Smile :-)

    16:38 <jamespage> it should not need to be tagged

    16:38 <jamespage> it has a release task and its subbed by ubuntu-server

    16:38 <rbasak> Other bugs in the report are not tagged.

    16:38 <jamespage> that should be sufficient IMHO

    16:39 <rbasak> It dosen't look like it's subbed by ubuntu-server to me.

    16:39 <rbasak> It doesn't appear in the "May be notified" list

    16:40 <rbasak> Can an ~ubuntu-server admin fix that please?

    16:41 <rbasak> Daviey? jamespage?

    16:41 <jamespage> ack

    16:41 <rbasak> Thanks!

    16:41 <rbasak> (and to smb!)

    16:41 <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)

    16:41 <rbasak> Nothing new to report. Any questions for me?

    16:41 <Daviey> rbasak: Any news on mongo?

    16:42 <rbasak> I've not looked at it, sorry.

    16:42 <Daviey> no problem

    16:42 <Daviey> EOF

    16:42 <rbasak> #topic Open Discussion

    16:43 <rbasak> Is there anything anybody wants to bring up?

    16:43 <rbasak> I do, actually, related to the next item.

    16:44 <jamespage> rbasak, congrats btw

    16:44 <rbasak> I have a proposal that I hope is constructive. Instead of rotating the chair weekly, how about we rotate the chair once the chair completes the post-meeting procedure?

    16:44 <rbasak> Thanks jamespage!

    16:44 <jamespage> for those that don't know rbasak is now a MOTU and member of ubuntu-server-dev

    16:45 <yolanda> congrats

    16:45 <Daviey> +1!

    16:45 <rbasak> Thanks Smile :)

    16:46 <rbasak> If we do that, then the previous chair will have his notes, and there won't be a delay at the start with confusion over who's chairing. And it's an incentive to get it done Smile :)

    16:46 <rbasak> I propose it starts with me, so I might as well volunteer to chair next week unless I get it done.

    16:46 <rbasak> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair

    16:47 <rbasak> The next meeting will be on 9 July at 1600 UTC as usual. I may be absent as I'll be at Linaro Connect. So I hope I'll get it done and yolanda will chair Smile :)

    16:47 <rbasak> #endmeeting

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