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05:05   mdz     ok, good, let's get started
05:05   mdz     some of you may have heard that we're releasing in two weeks :-)
05:06   cjwatson        EASY
05:06   mdz     Mithrandir's last email said we had 140 release-critical issues
05:06   pitti   and we don't even know the name of feisty+1 yet :(
05:06   mdz     but that was a week ago
05:06   mdz     pitti: I sit next to Mark now and will ask every day until that changes :-)
05:06   Keybuk  pitti: we're trying our hardest
05:06   mdz     won't be long now
05:06   cjwatson        I haven't done a bug count today yet
05:06   mdz     strike that, it said "about 140"
05:07   cjwatson        (give me two minutes)
05:07   mvo     I think we have ~90 milestoned currently
05:07   pitti   113
05:07   seb128  what do you count release-critical?
05:07   seb128  anything using a 7.04 milestone?
05:07   Mithrandir      milestoned and in main+restricted
05:07   mdz     I count 131
05:07   seb128  I tend to use milestone with low importance for things I want to work on, that doesn't mean they are r-c
05:07   mdz     oh, I counted universe+multiverse
05:08   cjwatson        131> ditto
05:08   pitti   weird, I see 113 milestone bugs; anyway, lots
05:08   mdz     this being our sixth release, it's about time we had an agreement about how release-critical issues are recorded
05:08   Mithrandir      so 109 now.
05:08   cjwatson        seb128: regardless, they all need to be unmilestoned or fixed before release
05:08   heno    note that some of these may be dupes of already fixed bugs such as bug 89070
ubotu   Malone bug 89070 in casper "Can't eject cdrom (dup-of: 84592)" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89070
ubotu   Malone bug 84592 in casper "feisty shutdown eject doesn't" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84592
05:09   mdz     I think it makes most sense to reserve the ubuntu-7.04 milestone for truly critical issues
05:09   heno    I plan to look for more such cases
05:09   cjwatson        131> that figure counts duplicates and bugs with multiple tasks
05:09   seb128  cjwatson: right, I already dropped some of the list but I still have a bunch of bugs I want to work on and that's the best way I've found to keep track of them
05:09   mdz     we can create a second milestone for things which we want to remember to look at, if that's needed
05:09   pitti   that should be 'in progress' state
05:09   Mithrandir      mdz: we have one (which is *cough*, part of edgy), later.
05:09   mdz     we're unlikely to fix all 109 of those bugs during freeze
05:10   pitti   seb128: why not assign to you/set in progress? that works very well for me and is more natural to the LP workflow
05:10   Mithrandir      heno: 89070 isn't on the list of RC bugs.
05:10   mdz     mvo: do you still have 25 targeted bugs?
05:10   seb128  well, I though r-c was > importance bugs
05:10   heno    Mithrandir: sorry
05:10   seb128  pitti: because I list them for desktop team and I'm not working on them, dholbach work on some also, etc
05:10   mvo     mdz: no, my count should be much less, around 5
05:10   Mithrandir      heno: don't use +milestone/ubuntu-7.04, use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.milestone%3Alist=200&field.component=1&field.component=2&field.component-empty-marke
05:11   mdz     mvo: you have many marked fix committed
05:11   mdz     mvo: did you forget to change them to fix released?
05:11   seb128  pitti: that's a "would be nice to fix those desktop bugs" list and anybody is welcome to give a hand ;)
05:11   mvo     mdz: most likely I will go over them
05:11   mdz     Mithrandir: is there a link to that from UbuntuDevelopment?
=== mvo wants "changelog closes bugs"
05:11   mdz     mvo: we're very close
05:11   mdz     I spoke with kiko about it on Monday
05:11   Mithrandir      mdz: I don't think so, no.  I can put it on my list of things to do next week.
05:12   mdz     it is reportedly BjornT's next focus
05:12   mvo     mdz: cool! sorry, but my milestone search exclude fix-commited so I haven't noticed
05:12   mdz     and kiko has given him some code for the soyuz bit
05:12   mdz     Mithrandir: please do; that's a list all developers should be able to find easily
05:12   mdz     Keybuk: do you know what's happening with this critical evms bug?
05:12   Keybuk  mdz: there's a new one?
05:13   Keybuk  what #?
05:13   mdz     Keybuk: the one at the top of Mithrandir's url
05:13   mdz     bug 74317
ubotu   Malone bug 74317 in evms "race with devmapper" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74317
05:13   Keybuk  mdz: that's the first time I've seen that one
05:13   cjwatson        bug 63175 and bug 89069 are likely the same thing, but it's difficult
ubotu   Malone bug 63175 in e2fsprogs "Edgy Beta -- fsck on every (re)boot" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63175
ubotu   Malone bug 89069 in ubiquity "problem with time" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89069
05:14   Keybuk  and it is likely that wasabi is correct in the fix
05:15   mdz     cjwatson: it's not clear to me why that would change since warty
05:15   mdz     Keybuk: can you chase it up and fix it in ian's absence if necessary?
05:16   cjwatson        it doesn't surprise me that it changed around dapper/edgy due to certain internal installer changes
05:16   Keybuk  mdz: yup
05:16   mdz     mvo: bug 99171 is not a real bug, but it does need to get done
ubotu   Malone bug 99171 in update-manager "Reminder: disable "useDevelopmentRelease=True" before final release in CD self upgrader" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99171
05:16   mdz     mvo,Mithrandir: when is the right time to throw that switch?
05:16   mvo     mdz: after RC
05:16   mdz     mvo: surely before RC, no?
05:17   pitti   mvo: why would it hurt to do it earlier?
05:17   pitti   mvo: after all, there's no feisty+1 yet to upgrade to
05:17   mdz     (unfortunately)
05:18   mvo     after the last image that we consider "not-yet-released"
05:18   mvo     otherwise people will not get a updated dist-upgrader (if we issue one)
05:18   mvo     but we need to turn it off before final release
05:18   mdz     RC should have all of the trimmings for final; that's the point
05:19   mdz     version numbers and all
05:19   Mithrandir      mvo: you mean people who run the dist-upgrader from RC to final won't get the updated one?
05:19   mvo     Mithrandir: if we have a updated one on the net, then no. if we don't it does not matter
05:19   mdz     upgrading to RC should give the same experience as upgrading to final, so we can test the final process
05:20   Mithrandir      I agree with mdz, while we're updating langpacks after RC, I'd like to avoid changing code at all possible after RC is out.
05:20   Mithrandir      that's kinda the point of RC.
05:20   Riddell cjwatson: the release notes URL link should be turned on in ubiquity?
05:20   cjwatson        Riddell: it already is
05:20   mvo     fair enough, then we need to turn it off before the weekend
05:20   mdz     mvo: would this be a good item to add to the checklists?
05:21   mdz     rather than filing a bug
05:21   cjwatson        Riddell: oh, argh, maybe it isn't, I'll check
05:21   mvo     mdz: good point! I used a bug because I wanted to be 100% certain that I don't forget it
05:21   Riddell cjwatson: it's a file that needs putting on the CD as I remember, maybe Mithrandir knows
05:21   cjwatson        Riddell: no, it's my problem
05:22   cjwatson        it's supposed to have been on the CD for ages but apparently fell off due to a slight code bug
=== mvo makes a note to add it to the release-checklist
05:22   Riddell cjwatson: where does it point to (for Kubuntu)?
05:22   cjwatson        -> #ubuntu-devel
05:22   Riddell yep
05:23   mdz     mvo: thanks
05:23   mdz     cjwatson: is that on the checklist as well?
05:24   mdz     Mithrandir: have you given up on bug 45696?
ubotu   Malone bug 45696 in network-manager "NetworkManager can't find interface on resume from suspend" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45696
05:24   cjwatson        mdz: it's supposed to be on the CD throughout release, so no. it's just a bug.
05:24   mdz     Mithrandir: bug 58503 has a safe+sane-looking fix
ubotu   Malone bug 58503 in usplash "No response to keyboard input at prompt after ejecting CD-ROM" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58503
05:25   cjwatson        mdz: (updating the mapping table is on the checklist, but that's not what Riddell's talking about)
05:25   Mithrandir      mdz: 45696 has gone away by itself for me, I used to see it all the time, but no longer.
05:26   mdz     Keybuk: thoughts on bug 66637?
ubotu   Malone bug 66637 in util-linux "After running mkswap, swap space is discarded, system fails to hibernate (invalid swap signature)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66637
05:26   mdz     Mithrandir: it just happened to me today
05:26   mdz     so it's still around
05:26   mvo     Mithrandir: I have it here too
05:26   mdz     mvo: do you get the connection limit message?
05:26   Keybuk  mdz: isn't that the old "mkswap discards the previous UUID" bug?
05:26   mdz     Keybuk: yes
05:26   bdmurray        I've seen that some recently too
05:26   Keybuk  mdz: I had a mostly finished patch for that
05:26   mdz     Keybuk: with 13 duplicates
05:26   mvo     mdz: I haven't checked
05:27   Keybuk  except we had new information that sometimes fsck changes the UUID too, so I was investigating that
05:27   Keybuk  but got side-tracked by the evms/md/lvm/devmapper stuff
05:27   Keybuk  it's next on my list to fix
05:27   mdz     ok
05:27   Mithrandir      mdz: 58503, I haven't looked at that lately, I've spent time on trying to fix NM to work beter.
05:27   Mithrandir      better, even.
05:27   mdz     BenC: how about the kernel bugs on that list?
05:28   mdz     Mithrandir: I have never seen that one, but it's fairly serious for folks who do (and can't be fixed in an update)
05:28   BenC    mdz: We're reviewing things
05:29   BenC    checking to see what we want to target for RC and release
05:29   mdz     cjwatson: bug 85612 -> agreed
ubotu   Malone bug 85612 in kde-systemsettings "Edgy/Kubuntu update broke access to display settings on 4 separate systems (dup-of: 38692)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85612
ubotu   Malone bug 38692 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings doesn't load Display, Disk and Filesystems control module" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/38692
05:29   mdz     er
05:29   Keybuk  mdz: that fix is inspired
05:29   mdz     bug 85162, that is
Malone bug 85162 in localechooser "installer doesn't permit to set little countries" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85162
05:29   Keybuk  and really would explain why it doesn't work
05:29   cjwatson        yeah, too risky
05:29   BenC    mdz: At this point, I don't thing any of our bugs are real showstoppers, but we have some that would be worth fixing for release
05:29   mdz     Keybuk: which?
05:30   Keybuk  mdz: 58503 ... if the keyboard is in the wrong mode, that'd explain why previous attempts to debug have failed
05:30   mdz     BenC: worth fixing why?
05:30   Keybuk  we were assuming the keyboard was attached to the wrong VT/etc.
05:30   mdz     BenC: if they can be fixed via updates instead, it's time to start thinking about that
05:30   mdz     Keybuk: ah, right
05:31   mdz     seb128: what about the panel crash with 8972342 duplicates?
05:31   pitti   BenC: I think the nvidia vs. legacy one will hurt upgraders badly
05:31   BenC    mdz: The only patches I'm considering at this point have to be non-ABI changes, and pretty trivial (meaning we can review it and see that it will fix things, without a lot of testing)
05:31   seb128  mdz: I've just uploaded another gtk+2.0 fix 30 seconds ago, might fix it
05:31   heno    Mithrandir: can we fix bug 91868 ? it should be a trivial casper script change
05:31   doko    we're down to 98 RC reports, lets continue 4hours, and we're done =)
ubotu   Malone bug 91868 in casper "Magnifier does not start from accessibility menu due to incorrectly referenced file." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91868
05:31   BenC    pitti: That's still in progress, and I will have it before RC
05:31   seb128  mdz: another invalid read to icon code I've caught with valgrind
05:31   pitti   BenC: cool
05:32   Mithrandir      heno: yes.
05:32   mvo     BenC: rock!
05:32   heno    cool
=== dholbach hugs seb128
05:32   mdz     kylem: bug 88219?
ubotu   Malone bug 88219 in lilo "lilo won't add the new kernel 2.6.20" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88219
05:32   mdz     seb128: so there's a fix on the way?
05:32   seb128  mdz: not easy to debug, we get ziliion of dups but nobody able to get a valgrind log of it crashing
05:32   mdz     seb128: oh, I thought you meant you had caught a log of it
05:32   seb128  mdz: I'm not sure that's "the fix", it stopped the incorrect read to icon code I was getting
05:33   seb128  mdz: right, not sure that's the only bug though
05:33   seb128  though I'm confident this one is good
05:33   mdz     asac: bug 89071 doesn't sound release-critical
ubotu   Malone bug 89071 in firefox "Can't allow sites for adding extensions" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89071
05:33   seb128  I'm running gnome-panel under valgrind for some hours and I've get no error on package installations, upgrades, etc
05:33   asac    mdz: yes we can untarget that
05:34   kylem   mdz, i'll have to look at it again. i thought i fixe dit.
05:34   mvo     seb128: have you tried theme changes as well?
05:34   asac    mdz: done
05:34   mvo     seb128: I got some crashes in synaptic from people changing themes during downloads
05:34   seb128  mvo: it's not happening on theme change, it's happening on upgrades
05:34   mvo     seb128: ok
05:34   seb128  mvo: might be a different one :/
05:34   mvo     seb128: yeah :/ joy!
05:35   mdz     mvo: do you have any fix committed bugs which *shouldn't* be fix released? (any pending uploads?)
05:36   mvo     mdz: I don't think so, I was careful to make sure that everything went in before the freeze today, but I will double check
05:36   tkamppeter      seb128, your non-optimized version for bug 91218 seems still not be a good workaround.
ubotu   Malone bug 91218 in gnome-cups-manager "MASTER: [apport]  gnome-cups-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in g_signal_emit_valist()" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91218
05:36   mdz     Keybuk: bug 96777?
ubotu   Malone bug 96777 in upstart "ttyS0 not migrated properly on upgrades from edgy to feisty" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96777
05:36   mvo     mdz: some of the obvious ones I closed already
05:36   tkamppeter      someone has installed your package and got the same crash.
05:36   mdz     mvo: there are a bunch on the list; I'll reload
05:37   mdz     mvo: the update-manager bugs are really cluttering the list
05:37   Keybuk  mdz: err, I thought I uploaded that before I came here
05:37   seb128  tkamppeter: the change to build with -O0 on amd64 didn't work apparently, I'll have an another look
05:37   Keybuk  mdz: but I don't see it in the archive -- will look when I get home :)
05:37   mdz     Keybuk: last upstart was 11 mar
05:37   Keybuk  yeah, weird, there's a newer one
05:38   Keybuk  0.3.8-2
05:38   Keybuk  but LP knows nothing
05:38   mdz     Mithrandir: re: bug 102105, LSB 3.1 was not a release goal
ubotu   Malone bug 102105 in lsb "Issues of Ubuntu's LSB compliance - Login shell startup" [High,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102105
05:39   mdz     Mithrandir: have you been in contact with mdke regarding bug 103308?
05:39   Mithrandir      mdz: iirc, tkamppeter milestoned it.  And I think LSB is on crack there, since they can't mandate changes to what POSIX sh should support.
ubotu   Malone bug 103308 in ubuntu-docs "newtoubuntu documents has link to English version of user-guide rather than localised version" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103308
05:39   mdz     Mithrandir: oh, it was only reported 2 hours ago. urgh
05:40   Mithrandir      mdz: so, no, I haven't.  I'm on vacation. :-P
05:40   mdz     seems worthy of a freeze exception if the fix is simple
05:40   doko    mdz: the wording is "shall" in both cases
05:40   Keybuk  doko: what does that mean for LSB?
05:40   tkamppeter      Mithrandir, so POSIX does not require -l and /etc/profile.d for sh?
05:40   Keybuk  shall implies required?
05:40   Keybuk  tkamppeter: right
05:41   mdz     doko: in 3.0 as well, you mean?
05:41   mdz     we passed the 3.0 validation tests at some point
05:41   doko    looking ...
05:41   tkamppeter      If "shall" would not require anything, why are such terms in the LSB?
05:41   cjwatson        http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/sh.html <- POSIX sh
05:41   Mithrandir      and while I think that LSB support would be nice, LSB should not try to change behaviour of /bin/sh and similar interfaces.
05:42   mdz     doko: what were the two cases?
05:42   Mithrandir      and profile.d has been rejected from Debian policy multiple times.
05:42   mdz     that's all of the interesting high-priority milestoned bugs, at a glance
05:42   cjwatson        sounds like they got it into LSB by the back door
05:43   doko    mdz: "The shell shall support an additional option -l" and "The sh utility shall read and execute commands ..."
05:43   cjwatson        I think the swap formatting control thing in ubiquity should be done if at all possible
05:43   Keybuk  doko: so they're both required by the LSB?
05:43   cjwatson        just haven't quite had time yet
05:43   Keybuk  (note we're nowhere near LSB compliance according to the letter of the spec, so I don't think more non-compliance matters)
05:43   cjwatson        I'm doing bug 91868
ubotu   Malone bug 91868 in casper "Magnifier does not start from accessibility menu due to incorrectly referenced file." [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91868
05:43   heno    cjwatson: thanks
05:44   cjwatson        ok, pending agenda items?
05:44   cjwatson        there are only a couple
05:44   cjwatson        (ogra) Edubuntu is RC blocked on bug #100021 (or on removing NM from the Edubuntu seeds) at the moment.
ubotu   Malone bug 100021 in ltsp "[Feisty]  LTSP fails on multi-homed server due to network manager touching predefined static interfaces" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100021
05:44   Mithrandir      it doesn't seem like "shall" is defined in the LSB spec.
05:44   cjwatson        can somebody who knows n-m give advice or fixes as necessary?
05:44   mdz     ogra: how is it that this was only discovered 2 weeks before release?
05:45   Mithrandir      but they use shall and must.
05:45   Keybuk  Mithrandir: those are both "required" things, Englishishwise
05:45   tkamppeter      Mithrandir, then the LSB spec is broken.
05:45   Keybuk  "should" is normally used in specs to mean "recommended"
05:45   Keybuk  and "may" for optional
05:46   pitti   ogra: not sure whether this is fixable ATM; n-m's very concept is 'one active device at a time' :(
05:46   doko    Keybuk: http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/def.html so yes, it's must.
05:46   doko    mdz: 3.0 has the same wording
05:47   tkamppeter      Keybuk, if they are required, this bug needs to get fixed.
05:47   Keybuk  tkamppeter: *shrug* if it isn't part of their test suite, it's not that important
05:47   mdz     pitti: network-manager may not be appropriate for servers with multiple network interfaces
05:47   Keybuk  I'd argue that they're trying to change POSIX-defined interfaces there, so the LSB needs to be fixed
05:47   mdz     this is an odd situation because desktop packages get installed on edubuntu servers
05:47   pitti   mdz: right, neither for desktop machines with the same situation (mine, for example)
05:48   Mithrandir      pitti: I am adding a concept of "manual" devices devices to NM which it knows about and assumes that are always online (but doesn't touch)
05:48   mdz     pitti: on desktops, it's usually the right thing, and folks who are doing something funny can remove it :-)
05:48   pitti   mdz: right, I wasn't complaining
05:48   Mithrandir      so if you have interfaces which are on some kind of manual, NM won't touch them.
05:48   pitti   mdz: well, I'd correct it to 'on laptops it's the right thing', but anyway
05:48   mdz     but in this case, we know that it's not the right thing because we're installing a server
05:48   mdz     ogra: are you here?
05:49   tkamppeter      Keybuk, I think following the LSB wording and not only the test suite is important, as people who make distribution-independent packages, read the specs and do not analyse the source of the test suite.
05:49   pitti   but at this time I guess it's too late to install it on laptops only
05:49   mdz     it doesn't seem that ogra is here, so I suppose we'll move on
05:49   mdz     (pitti) Confirm decision about apport in final release.
05:49   cjwatson        tkamppeter: I think it's a bug, but not a release-critical one
05:49   Keybuk  tkamppeter: *shrug* nobody produces distribution-independent packages and nobody like that cares about the LSB
05:49   Keybuk  tkamppeter: for the first point, the LSB mandates RPM not DEB :p
05:49   mdz     pitti: the consensus seemed clear on the mailing list; what's the question?
05:49   cjwatson        Keybuk: (tkamppeter does, for printing)
05:49   pitti   mdz: right, just getting a bunch of 'ok' from folks like bdmurray who didn't report back on the ML
05:50   tkamppeter      Yes, that is true, cjwatson, perhaps I am the first user of the LSB?
05:50   mdz     pitti: you have the floor :-)
05:50   asac    pitti: you have my ok :)
05:50   pitti   bdmurray: are you fine with disabling crash reports by default, only keep it on the live CD?
05:50   pitti   and asac?
05:51   bdmurray        pitti: yes
05:51   pitti   ah, asac beat me to it
05:51   pitti   great, I'm done then, thanks
05:51   mdz     tkamppeter: you may be the first to rely on this feature and notice it...I assume you know the right people to talk to at FSG about this issue :-)
05:51   mdz     ok, that's the end of the agenda
05:51   mdz     friday and monday are holidays in the UK, so some of us may not be online much
05:51   doko    what about demoting libstdc++5 and ia32-libs?
05:52   Mithrandir      doko: please. :-)
05:52   mdz     Mithrandir: when are you back at work?
05:52   tkamppeter      Yes, I have already reported on the lsb-discuss mailing list of the Linux Foundation that there are these issues with sh.
05:52   pitti   demoting++
05:52   doko    ok, doing that
05:52   Riddell any progress on having more people to admin NEW queue?
05:52   pitti   doko: i. e. you'll unseed this?
05:52   doko    pitti: yes
05:52   Mithrandir      mdz: Tuesday, but I'll look at IRC for freeze exceptions, etc at least daily.
05:52   pitti   doko: great, ping me, I'll care for the demotion
05:52   asac    doko: there are some that use upstream firefox ... though i don't care maybe they want it.
05:52   mdz     Mithrandir: who is your backup while you are away?
05:53   doko    asac: it's still available in universe
05:53   pitti   asac: they have to manually install it anyway
05:53   Mithrandir      mdz: AIUI, most of the distro team is away for Easter already, so nobody with the access rights is around.
05:53   pitti   asac: it would make a difference if we shipped it in -desktop, or on the CDs, but we don't
05:54   cjwatson        Riddell: there were four items in NEW last I looked
05:54   cjwatson        I'm not concerned
05:54   asac    doko: pitti fine
05:54   cjwatson        (I realise three of them are yours)
05:54   mdz     Mithrandir: that's going to put us in a bit of a crunch for RC, I think
05:54   pitti   yes, I spent a fair amount of time on source new last week
05:54   cjwatson        I am available although not on a much more regular basis than Mithrandir
05:55   mdz     RS/ES/LT/England/AU/DK/NO are mentioned as having holidays
05:55   Mithrandir      hm, not .de?
05:55   kwwii   and DE
05:55   seb128  I'll be around and reading mail every now and then if anything is required
05:55   mdz     kwwii,Mithrandir: not on the wiki
05:55   pitti   see the copious warthogs mails
05:55   seb128  FR as well
05:55   mdz     but it seems so, yes
05:55   doko    I'll be skiing, so not reading email
05:55   Mithrandir      seb128: you don't have access to lithium, do you?
05:56   seb128  Mithrandir: not that I know, no
05:56   seb128  Mithrandir: nop
05:56   mdz     Mithrandir: given that we still have bugs to fix, and that most folks won't be working until Tuesday, it seems unlikely that we'll be able to start building candidates on schedule, don't you think?
05:56   doko    Mithrandir: can I remove the milestone from bug 88486 ?
ubotu   Malone bug 88486 in openoffice.org "impress hangs when opening Canonical template presentation [regression from edgy] " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88486
05:56   Mithrandir      doko: yes, I think that makes sense.
05:57   cjwatson        (rtg had to go due to battery)
05:57   Mithrandir      mdz: I'd like to see if we can compress it and evaluate on Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday whether we need to postpone it one day.
05:58   mdz     it sounds like there is a day's worth of bugs to fix, so wednesday would be the earliest to start
05:58   mdz     whereas the schedule calls for it to start Monday
05:58   seb128  mdz: GNOME 2.18.1 tarball will be rolled on monday and tuesday ...
05:59   seb128  tarballs
05:59   mdz     seb128: that's not ideal either
05:59   seb128  well, nothing we can change there
=== ogra waves
06:00   mdz     seb128: we could do them as -updates or selectively
06:00   seb128  mdz: I think that would be a mistake
06:00   seb128  we would drop one month of bug fix
06:00   mdz     seb128: we could delay the release
06:01   seb128  hum?
06:01   cjwatson        mdz: ... you mean the release candidate?
06:01   seb128  mdz: there is 10 days between GNOME 2.18.1 and 7.04, you think that's not enough?
06:02   mdz     seb128: I count 9, and about 3 days of that are supposed to be RC testing :-)
06:02   cjwatson        can anyone reproduce bug 96958?
ubotu   Malone bug 96958 in ubiquity "[feisty]  Kubuntu timezone page broken" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96958
06:02   pitti   seb128: will there be any intrusive soname bumps and the like, anything that could screw and delay buildds/archive consistency?
06:02   mdz     cjwatson: I meant the release, but only half seriously
06:02   Riddell cjwatson: I've only heard of it from heno on virtual box as I say
06:02   seb128  pitti: no, GNOME 2.18.1 is only bug fix, stable branch has still UI, string, API, ABI, etc freezes
06:03   mdz     seb128: I think we should try to avoid this conflict for feisty+1, it puts unnecessary pressure on you for packaging, and on all of us for CD testing
06:03   ogra    err, did you guys reschedule the meeting ? its supposed to start now, no ?
06:03   Mithrandir      mdz: I'm fine with delaying the RC, but not release, I believe we can get a good release out
06:03   asac    ogra: schedule is wrong ... i almost fell for it as well.
06:03   seb128  ogra: 15UTC was 1 hour ago
06:04   heno    Riddell, cjwatson: virtual box is still a bit raw on graphics. Most likely the problem
06:04   Riddell ogra: like last week it was rescheduled by an hour, poke Keybuk to tell fridge to update
06:04   ogra    seb128, my evo says 18:00 CEST
06:04   ogra    which is exactly now
06:04   Keybuk  Riddell: how do I tell fridge?
06:04   Keybuk  ogra: your evo is wrong
06:04   ogra    seb128, and the fridge seems to agree
06:04   seb128  ogra: Keybuk's mail said 15UTC
06:04   mdz     ogra: the distro team calendar is authoritative
06:04   Riddell Keybuk: #ubuntu-marketing, fridge-devel@
06:04   dholbach        Keybuk: fridge-devel AT lists DOT ubuntu DOT com
06:04   ogra    gah
06:04   pitti   mdz: that's even more wrong
06:04   Keybuk  ogra: I mailed you explictitly, with the reminder, with the fact the time was different in capitals
06:04   mdz     pitti: it's correct here
06:04   Keybuk  Riddell: well voluntold, could you let them know :)
06:04   pitti   mdz: it says 8 am for me
06:05   ogra    please keep the fridge updated ...
06:05   Riddell nixternal: fancy editing fridge calendar?
06:05   cjwatson        please don't use the fridge for this
06:05   seb128  mdz: I'm confident GNOME 2.18.1 will be no problem, it's the same timing every time, but right, an extra week next time could be nice
06:05   nixternal       Riddell: sure!
06:05   cjwatson        -> distro team + ogra anyway. it's useful for others
06:05   mdz     seb128: yes, I know.  we've managed in the past and we will manage this time also
06:05   nixternal       meeting, date, time, agenda?
06:05   mdz     seb128: but I think it would be better to have a little more time
06:05   Riddell nixternal: devel team meetings back an hour (UTC)
06:05   seb128  mdz: agreed
06:05   ogra    cjwatson, i use the fridge for all dates ... why must this one differ ?
06:06   cjwatson        ogra: if you're using a calendar which is consistently not updated for this meeting, you should use something else and deal ...
06:06   ogra    :/
06:06   cjwatson        it is clearly mailed out to everyone, and blaming the calendar isn't good
06:06   Keybuk  Til managed to turn up on time
06:07   Keybuk  +l
06:07   mdz     ogra: we don't even have the ability to change the fridge calendar; it's run by a different team and sometimes lags
06:07   mdz     (directly)
06:07   ogra    i know
06:07   Keybuk  and we change the times of this meeting, and whether they even happen, regularly
06:08   mdz     ok, we're over time
06:08   mdz     is there any other business for the meeting?
06:08   Keybuk  I could cc fridge-devel on the reminders the day before, but I suspect they'd get sick of that
06:08   ogra    but other teams manage it as well ... having a centralized calendar seems pointless if its not used
06:08   pitti   the distro team google calendar would be nice, if that wouldn't fail so hideously on time zones
06:09   mdz     quibbling about meeting times ->elsewhere
06:09   mdz     meeting adjourned
06:09   mdz     thanks, everyone

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