20070621
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10:04 Keybuk ok 10:04 Keybuk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20070621 10:04 Keybuk let's get started === agoliveira would like to go to bed 10:05 Keybuk any additional agenda items from anyone? 10:05 fabbione nope 10:05 heno bug day schedule volunteers 10:05 heno (already under other business) === calc is here === Keybuk hands calc a tardy 10:07 Keybuk # 10:07 Keybuk C++ guru needed for bug 121461 (blocking inkscape merge) -- keescook 10:07 ubotu Launchpad bug 121461 in glib2.0 "linking problem on i386 vs amd64" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121461 10:07 keescook this is in progress, it seems, and the glib and gtkmm folks are on it. === dholbach hugs keescook 10:07 pitti ah, the int vs. long issue? 10:07 keescook it's breaking other things besides inkscape, but appears to be glib ABI breakage. :( 10:07 calc heh was great my first merge found a huge bug ;) 10:07 asac keescook: great 10:08 keescook yeah, all discovered because I was showing calc some merges with a "package I knew well and wouldn't have issues with" ha ha 10:08 calc lol 10:08 fabbione keescook: you win a biscuit 10:08 keescook heh 10:09 pitti this is tagged with tribe-2, is a fix until next Tuesday realistic? 10:09 bryce congats calc :-) 10:09 keescook I'm not sure. dholbach do you know how quickly the glib folks tend to work? 10:10 dholbach keescook: I'm sure this will be resolved quickly 10:10 pitti this sounds like it could possibly affect lots of applications? 10:10 ogra pfft ... 10:10 ogra c++ only 10:11 dholbach ogra: .... 10:11 dholbach :) 10:11 keescook yeah, though I'm still not 100% clear on which... is it just those that were recompiled, or will we actually see things crashing? 10:11 ogra it will teach them to take python in the future HAHA ! 10:11 keescook ogra: it seems it's a glib ABI thing, so not just c++ 10:11 dholbach I didn't see crashes because of it yet, just ftbfs 10:11 keescook okay, cool. 10:12 ogra keescook, ouch 10:12 pitti dholbach: sounds like pure luck then, always masking the higher 32 bits which are nonsense, or so :) 10:13 keescook so, pitti, I'm not sure how to gauge the effect, but just instintively marked it tribe-2. feel free to adjust it. 10:13 pitti ok, so not being 'critical' seems to be justified then 10:13 shawarma When is the Tribe-2 freeze anyway? 10:14 pitti next Tuesday 10:14 Keybuk shawarma: usually Tuesday 10:14 shawarma Oh, ok. 10:14 pitti I'll send a pre-announcement tomorrow 10:14 ogra i'm not sure how the edubuntu CDs will look wrt ltsp ... the udeb isnt adjusted for the new ltsp stuff yet 10:14 ogra and i had no time ot do a test install yet 10:15 Keybuk ok 10:15 Keybuk sounds like we have a hold on that one 10:15 Keybuk PAM is very old (blocking at least AppArmor PAM module) -- keescook 10:15 Riddell some stuff with new apt for adept still need juggling about but it whould be fine in time 10:16 keescook there was discussion in Debian to get PAM up to 0.99 after Etch. This hasn't happened yet, and blocks at least the AA pam module. 10:16 ogra Riddell, btw since gutsy-changes doesnt work ... i added a kubuntu theme to the new ldm today :) would be nice to get some default icons for the menu functions 10:16 Riddell ogra: ooh, will take a look 10:16 keescook I've seen other mentions of other pam modules (ldap, etc) wanting 0.99, but I'm not sure what their state is. 10:16 pitti ogra: oh, so it's not just me 10:16 keescook does anyone else have any need for 0.99 PAM? 10:17 Keybuk what's new about it? 10:17 mvo Riddell: it seems like its working here locally, its just that xipian is blocking libept 0.5 afaics 10:17 pitti keescook: TBH, that doesn't sound like a terribly good idea for tribe-2, unless we can be really sure to not break stuff? 10:18 keescook pitti: sure, I didn't mean it for tribe2, I just wanted to bring it up for discussion. should agenda items be limited to tribe-2 stuff? i'm still new to the distro team. :) 10:18 pitti keescook: no, that's fine 10:18 keescook Keybuk: it has a mess of additionally support utilities, headers, etc. supposedly makes PAM modules easier to develop. 10:19 pitti keescook: I just wasn't sure whether you meant 'upload the stuff tomorrow' :) 10:19 pitti since this seems to be very intrusive, the best time would be right after tribe-2 10:19 keescook yeah, no way, just curious if anyone had looked at PAM or needed 0.99 too. 10:19 pitti for maximum testing exposure in gutsy without breaking the next alpha 10:20 Keybuk pitti: though the point of the alpha is to get the maximum testing 10:20 shawarma Keybuk: But surely only testing of things we're reasonably sure works? 10:20 Keybuk otoh, it's hard to test things that won't build 10:20 calc Keybuk: if pam breaks though can't test too much 10:20 pitti Keybuk: right, but not exactly breaking it totally maybe? 10:20 shawarma I'm guessing it'll take a while to merge a new pam package. I think I remember the ls of paches-applied/ was about an xterm full. 10:21 Riddell mvo: that should be sorted now, maybe debtags needs given back so it can get installed 10:21 Keybuk ok, sounds like we have a plan; keescook, can you put together a migration plan and post to ubuntu-devel if it's difficult; and a rationale of why we need it 10:21 shawarma So getting it in before Tuesday is going to be a stretch. Getting it in *and* doing just a bit of testing before tribe is... not likely to happen, I think. 10:21 Keybuk we can continue the yes/no discussion there easy enough 10:21 mvo Riddell: ok, cool 10:22 Keybuk Release readiness update -- pitti 10:22 keescook Keybuk: okay, the rationale is not very high, that's why I wanted to bring it up -- it sounds like I'm the only one interested in it. :P 10:22 pitti so, there are still a couple of tribe-2 bugs 10:22 pitti I have some questions about some of them 10:22 pitti #109320: evms blocks access to disk devices: evms is in universe now, is this still critical/tribe2? if so, is anyone working on it? 10:22 Keybuk I must admit, that I haven't touched either of my tribe-2 bugs 10:23 Keybuk since we're still waiting on Upstream to finish playing 10:23 Keybuk we need to somehow uninstall evms from people's machines who had it installed since warty 10:23 pitti since we kicked it out, I guess we can remove the milestone, but I wanted to know whether anyone loves evms so much 10:23 keescook if evms is in universe, and I go cripple xmms to get it into universe, that means we can lose gtk1 too. 10:23 Keybuk tollef does, but he's not here, so let's move on quickly before he's summoned :p 10:23 Keybuk keescook: WIN! 10:24 pitti keescook: right, I wanted to ask about xmms, too :) 10:24 pitti ok, I'll kick that then 10:24 pitti related to this: 10:24 pitti #105936: snapshot creation failure race "in use: not deactivating": keescook, you said that this doesn't happen any more? Keybuk, I understand that this is part of a major redesign work, so this might not actually happen for tribe-2? 10:24 Keybuk pitti: it does happen, just verrrrrrry rarely 10:24 keescook pitti: got time after meeting to discuss xmms? 10:24 Keybuk and not on kees' computer 10:24 ogra keswhat wuld you want to criplle on it ? 10:24 ogra *cripple 10:24 pitti keescook: yes, please let's 10:24 Keybuk basically it only happens if I put a sleep (30) in one bit of code 10:24 Keybuk but that's still not fixed enough for me 10:24 Keybuk so yes, I plan to fix this harder 10:24 pitti keescook: we have xmms2 in binary NEW, too :) 10:24 keescook heh 10:25 Keybuk pitti: oh, and I've asked mvo to ask seb to throw the compiz switch for tribe-2 10:25 pitti Keybuk: but it doesn't sound OMG enough for me to tribe-2, unless you suddenly found a spare day to work on this? :-) 10:25 keescook ogra: to get it into universe, I need to drop xmms-flac which is built from "flac", main. 10:25 Keybuk just for fun 10:25 pitti Keybuk: yeeeearrrgh 10:25 pitti :) 10:25 keescook ogra: so, basically, xmms loses flac file support 10:26 Keybuk pitti: you'll like it :p 10:26 pitti although, admittedly, compiz was *much* less evil yesterday (I tried it again) 10:26 keescook ugh. does compiz tell me my xterm size yet? 10:26 dholbach apart from wnck and my terminal-shortcut it works nicely for me 10:26 mvo yeah, repeat after me: compiz is good 10:26 pitti I just couldn't resize windows on the window edges 10:26 Keybuk keescook: yes, enable the resizeinfo plugin 10:26 Keybuk mvo: in fact, that one should be on by default 10:26 keescook \o/ 10:26 shawarma keescook: We could also be really evil and yank the headers out of xmms, put them in th flac package and put the binary package in universe, and be done with it? 10:26 mvo keescook: there is a info plugin for this 10:26 Keybuk (since it's new since we made the plugin list) 10:27 mvo Keybuk: I can arrange this 10:27 Keybuk dholbach: oh, my terminal shortcut worked just fine === mvo puts it on the list of default plugins 10:27 Keybuk after I fixed the terminal-command setting 10:27 keescook shawarma: if that works, that's great. I just didn't have any luck making that happen. 10:27 ogra shawarma, thats what i thought 10:27 pitti Keybuk: so, #105936 to tribe-3? 10:27 dholbach Keybuk: aha? 10:27 Keybuk pitti: please === dholbach tries that 10:27 pitti #121441: mysql-server-5.0: "replace" binary man page is non-free: mathiaz, is that in the works? === Keybuk has been using compiz (plus fusion plugins) as his primary window manager for weeks now; I'm happy with it 10:27 Keybuk and that is a big milestone <g> 10:27 shawarma keescook: Oh, you tried that already? Hm.. I could give it a go at some point. 10:28 mathiaz pitti: I filed a bug with debian 10:28 pitti mathiaz: has it always been like that, or is this something new? 10:28 keescook shawarma: well, I didn't try xmms headers into flac, but I tried flac into xmms. 10:28 mathiaz pitti: the man pages also have the copyright notice 10:28 heno pitti: just found that today 10:28 heno affects feisty too 10:28 shawarma keescook: Ah.. I think my approach is a lot easier. 10:28 pitti mathiaz: so, as a temporary fix those could just be dropped? 10:28 heno so we should look at an SRU 10:28 shawarma keescook: And hence more likely to succeed. :) 10:28 bryce Keybuk: will the switch include logic to not turn on where compiz won't be supported (fglrx?) 10:28 keescook shawarma: agreed. 10:28 pitti heno: right, except that we cannot really change the package in the release 10:28 mathiaz pitti: well - that means shipping mysql without the man pages 10:29 Keybuk bryce: if you can work with mvo to get that done in time 10:29 shawarma mathiaz: Is it *all* man pages? 10:29 pitti mathiaz: where did they come from in edgy? 10:29 mathiaz shawarma: most of them 10:29 shawarma ffs.. 10:29 pitti mathiaz: can we ship them at all? or just not under GPL? 10:29 mathiaz pitti: they are not under GPL 10:29 shawarma mathiaz: Not at all, I beliave. 10:29 shawarma pitti: ^ 10:29 ogra mathiaz, split them out 10:35 pitti mathiaz: right, I mean, are they redistributable in the first place? 10:35 shawarma pitti: The license says you're not allowed to change them, afair. 10:35 heno man mysql is non-GPL for example 10:35 ogra mysql-doc and mysql-doc-nonfee 10:35 mathiaz pitti: it'S the same reason why debian stopped shipping the manual 10:35 pitti if so, then we could just ship it in multiverse 10:35 pitti shawarma: ok, that's good enough for multiverse; so we are allowed to ship them unchanged 10:35 shawarma pitti: Ah, right. 10:35 mathiaz pitti: ok - so we could ship the man page in mysql-doc-nonfree 10:35 pitti heno: that sounds too complex for an SRU TBH 10:35 heno ok 10:35 pitti mathiaz: right; want to look into that? 10:35 mathiaz pitti: yop 10:35 pitti mathiaz: thanks 10:35 pitti #119075: Root password policy for mysql: shawarma, did you hear any progress from Debian about this? what's the status on this? 10:35 pitti that one really worries me 10:35 pitti shawarma: can we talk about it after the meeting in #u-devel? 10:35 shawarma I haven't taken it up with the debian dudes, yet. 10:35 shawarma pitti: Sure. 10:35 pitti #112994: java plugin does not work: asac, you grabbed this, but bug trail makes it unclear whether it's firefox' or java's fault 10:35 asac pitti: i just updated it 10:35 pitti but it doesn't sound like being a real tribe-2 blocker 10:35 asac pitti: and set to triaged 10:35 asac pitti: its basically a drop of legacy mozilla-firefox folder(link) that causes this ... plugin links need to be readjusted 10:35 asac pitti: i can do the upload ... but would like to ping doko first. 10:35 pitti asac: if that patch is everything needed, it sounds it could make it to tribe-2 very well? especially since it's not on the CD? 10:35 asac pitti: yes ... it should definitly be done for tribe-2 10:35 pitti asac: thanks 10:35 pitti #119341: glxinfo command causes Xorg to abort on Dimension E520: bryce, you milestoned this, but it does not seem a super urgent thing, since it is not even reproducible? 10:35 pitti and (let's timeshare the channel a bit) 10:35 pitti #118745: default desktop/panel menu font sizes too small; IMHO we should really revert the current hack of changing font sizes and revert to fixed 96 DPI until X is sorted out; dholbach, WDYT? 10:35 bryce probably not 10:35 bryce pitti: yeah I could not reproduce it, so need to investigate a bit more 10:35 fabbione_ sorry.. adsl did shake... 10:35 dholbach pitti: I'd prefer to hear seb128 on that 10:35 bryce there is an upstream bug I found with the same backtrace 10:35 pitti bryce: it has an upstream bug, so let's just wait for upstream then? fine with moving the milestone? 10:35 bryce yup 10:36 pitti dholbach: ok, he'll be back tomorrow, right? #u-desktop tomorrow? 10:36 pitti ok, thanks guys; sorry for being a nuisance 10:37 pitti Keybuk: I'm done 10:37 Keybuk good-o 10:37 dholbach pitti: yep === heno hugs pitti === dholbach hugs pitti 10:37 Keybuk heno: Schedule developers for the next few Bug Days: UbuntuBugDay/Schedule 10:37 heno https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Schedule 10:37 shawarma I'm planning on putting out a call for server bug triaging, so I'll probably be hanging out there. 10:38 pitti heno: it would be nice to mention the bug day's topic/focus there, so that we can subscribe when we actually have some competency to weigh in 10:38 shawarma Where server bugs means "bugs in apache, mysql, openssh and that sort of thing". 10:38 heno shawarma: cool, just pick a day and sign up 10:38 heno pitti: suggestions are welcome 10:38 heno I'd rather do it the other way around 10:39 shawarma Oh, the bug days are specialised nowadays? 10:39 pitti right 10:39 heno that those who want to join can pick the topic 10:39 pitti makes sense 10:39 shawarma Wicked. Sign me up for Wednesday. 10:39 heno shawarma: they don't have to be 10:39 heno looks like we have a topic for next week :) 10:40 shawarma \o/ 10:40 bdmurray maybe each mentor could pick a query of bugs to work on? 10:40 heno mathiaz: can you make it then as well? 10:40 mathiaz heno: no. I'll be offline that day. 10:40 mathiaz heno: (travelling) 10:40 heno ah, ok 10:41 dendrobates I'll be there Wednesday. 10:42 heno dendrobates: cool, so that's well covered 10:42 heno ok, everyone knows the URL now, feel free to sign up later 10:42 Keybuk ok, cool 10:42 Keybuk any other business for today? 10:42 Riddell Keybuk: could you give back debtags 10:43 Keybuk I don't have buildd access these days 10:43 mvo There are still some open merges left and today debianimportfreeze 10:43 Keybuk there are, but the number of open merges is low enough not to worry I think 10:43 Keybuk we've never hit zero 10:43 pitti Riddell: I can 10:43 mvo ok 10:43 Keybuk if anyone wants to pick them up and do them, that's ok 10:43 calc i'm working on merges as well 10:43 Keybuk but we seem to be in a pretty good shape ABI-wise === mvo will spend some time tomorrow on merges 10:44 calc need some done for my motu app 10:44 ogra does anyone know anything about the status of gutsy-changes ? 10:44 Keybuk ogra: dunno 10:44 calc mvo: i'm primarily working on universe merges right now though 10:44 ogra i pinged in #c-sysadmin but got no answer ... seems there were no mails since yesterday night 0:30 UTC 10:45 Keybuk that sounds very much like an LP change 10:45 Keybuk did the magic mail headers change, I wonder 10:45 pitti ogra: I pinged Celso, but was directed to the list masters 10:45 Keybuk that's about the time they did the rollout 10:45 pitti changelog-closes-bugs is broken as well, I filed a bug 10:46 ogra seems there were two rejeted mails from gutsy-changes-owner to -motu 10:46 ogra this afternoon ... 10:46 pitti <cprov> pitti: ouch, source are being escaped from closing-bug-code because they are being published in upload-time ... === mvo got some reject mails too 10:46 pitti whatever that means 10:46 shawarma :) YEs that sounds a bit cryptic. 10:47 bdmurray pitti: is the changelog-closes-bugs being broken worth announcing? will may bugs not get closed due to changes. 10:47 pitti bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/121606, FYI 10:47 ubotu Launchpad bug 121606 in soyuz "changelog-closes-bugs does not work any more since today's rollout" [Critical,Triaged] 10:47 pitti bdmurray: hm, indeed, sending it to u-d-a@ cannot hurt 10:48 shawarma Does anyone know why we still keep the kbd-chooser source package? 10:48 shawarma (It's in universe) 10:48 pitti Riddell: debtags is dependency wait, nothing to give back 10:49 bryce shawarma: wouldn't surprise me if it's just legacy 10:49 Riddell pitti: ok, that should be sorted out now but maybe something is still holding it back, I'll work it out 10:49 pitti Missing Dependencies: libept-dev (>= 0.5.2) 10:49 pitti libept-dev | 0.4.7ubuntu2 | gutsy | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc 10:50 shawarma bryce: Possibly. It hasn't been touched since edgy. 10:50 Riddell pitti: ept was waiting on xapian, which I promoted to main today 10:50 Riddell maybe I did the promotion wrong 10:50 Keybuk ok, we're wandering around other topics now; so let's adjourn and let those who don't want to stay up and play leave 10:50 Keybuk thanks all
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