20070705
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10:01 mdz agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20070705
10:01 Keybuk mdz: all that I'm expecting accounted for
10:02 cjwatson another light agenda today, though any omissions are entirely down to me this week
10:03 mdz first up, dholbach would like to introduce his package review proposal
10:03 dholbach I wrote the proposal up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews
10:03 dholbach the problem we're trying to solve is: we need more people doing reviews
10:04 dholbach more reviews means more fixes, more contributors and in the end more reviewers :-)
10:04 mdz I've looked over this previously, and I think it's a good idea
10:04 Mithrandir is this code reviews, package reviews or both?
10:04 mdz it's important that we take the time to review contributions from new folks, to give them the encouragement to become regular contributors
10:05 mdz Mithrandir: reviews of contributions in the form of packages
10:05 keescook I'm a fan of "Possible conflicts and problems will be discussed in the last minutes of the weekly Distro Team meeting."
10:05 cjwatson we need to grow the pool of Ubuntu developers quite significantly, and this is one good way to try to ensure quality in the result
10:05 shawarma mdz: If so, why are there is there a main/restricted section? What sort of packages would go directly into main?
10:05 keescook there have been some main-sponsor-tagged bugs I haven't been sure how to handle.
10:05 iwj This sounds good but it would be nice to have an idea of the standard we're judging against. I'm certainly willing to help.
10:06 cjwatson shawarma: patches against existing packages too
10:06 cjwatson as well as totally new ones
10:06 mdz in a nutshell: someone creates a new or updated package, you review it and upload it
10:06 shawarma Ah, right.
10:06 mdz also called "sponsorship"
10:06 iwj `Net improvement to the distro' ? `No howlers' ? ...
10:06 cjwatson basically all the stuff that gets sent to ubuntu-{main,universe}-sponsors now but actually DOING it
10:06 mdz if you have a quick look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-main-sponsors
10:06 mdz there are 46 such contributions queued for main(!)
10:06 dholbach we will make use of bug reports in LP to keep track of reviews, so no REVU login is needed or anything
10:06 cjwatson (in a coordinated way, gets to be part of your normal work time, etc.)
10:06 shawarma Looking at it already.
10:07 asac i think universe sponsoring works pretty well atm ... main definitly needs more love
10:07 mdz it is well worth our while to act on these, as time spent reviewing a patch or two could help someone to become a new MOTU or core dev
10:07 dholbach asac: NEW packages too
10:07 cjwatson I think I would say that the standard ought to be that you'd be willing to put your own name to it
10:08 mdz Launchpad is growing some new features which will make this process even more efficient
10:08 asac dholbach: where can i find new packages? revu?
10:08 iwj So picking one at random, bug 75765 say, the job for a reviewer is to check the patch is good and then upload it, basically ?
Launchpad bug 75765 in syslinux "syslinux should depend on mtools" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75765
10:08 mdz cjwatson: agreed
10:08 mdz iwj: correct
10:08 pitti dholbach: in which aspects is that new team (code-reviewers) different from the -{main,universe}-sponsors ones?
10:08 mdz the contributor might be a MOTU working on a package in main
10:08 iwj cjwatson: That's a reasonable criterion.
10:08 dholbach asac: for now we'll review bugs tagged needs-packaging which are 'fix committed'
10:08 mdz or potentially someone new to Ubuntu entirely
10:08 cjwatson iwj: also to get back to the reviewee with constructive criticism, and do back-and-forth
10:08 dholbach asac: so either the package is attached a branch is linked to, or a link to the dsc file is given, so you can easily dget -x it
10:08 asac dholbach: ah ... i see the link now
10:08 Mithrandir it would be very nice if the quality of NEW packages was raised a bit.. I rejected about 2 out of 3 new packages last time I did source NEW.
10:08 iwj cjwatson: Quite so.
10:09 mdz PPAs will begin to be used for this process more and more
10:09 dholbach Mithrandir: maybe it would help to classify the problems you're facing and add them to a wiki page, so we could work it into documentation
10:09 mdz so that by the time a package is reviewed, we already know that it builds, and can examine the binary packages trivially
10:09 dholbach Mithrandir: and announce 'common packaging mistakes' on the mailing list
10:09 Mithrandir dholbach: yeah, I started by mailing -motu about it, first.
10:09 dholbach (also cover them in the MOTU Q&A sessions)
10:09 dholbach Mithrandir: yeah, I saw that - thanks a lot
10:09 Keybuk dholbach: "using cdbs"
10:09 mdz and if the package looks good, it will be possible to copy it straight into Ubuntu on the server side
10:10 iwj If we join this team can our mail filtering distinguish `you got this mail only because it's related to a sponsors-subscribed bug' vs `you got this mail because you're a bug contact for the package' ?
10:10 dholbach Keybuk: ROCK ON! GO CDBS! :)
10:10 cjwatson iwj: (as an aside, it's asserted in bug 75765 that the version of syslinux now in gutsy can be built not to need mtools)
10:10 Mithrandir Keybuk: no "forgetting to ship a licence", "wrong debian/copyright", etc.
Launchpad bug 75765 in syslinux "syslinux should depend on mtools" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75765
10:10 mdz so that we have a very efficient pipeline for getting changes into the distro, even without direct upload privileges
10:10 kylem what, you don't like reading interdiff? :)
10:10 iwj cdbs--
10:10 pitti iwj: that's possible, LP sends the reason in a header now
10:10 dholbach iwj: joining the team will not cause mails being sent to you
10:10 Keybuk iwj: there should be an X-Launchpad-Reason for that now
10:10 seb128 dholbach: having a wiki page with common mistake would probably work better than a mail
10:10 iwj pitti: Yes, I saw but I don't remember whether you get two reasons.
10:10 cjwatson X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale I think
10:11 Keybuk indeed
10:11 Keybuk X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale: Bug Contact (udev in ubuntu)
10:11 dholbach you will either pick packages you're interested in, or the admins of the team will manage the load of old reviews on team members by assigning bugs
10:11 dholbach seb128: both :)
10:11 calc btw it would be great to get that manual partition bug fixed by tribe-3 when it shows up its a showstopper
10:11 cjwatson X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale: Subscriber @ubuntu-sru via Bug 109073
Launchpad bug 109073 in gnome-games "Game Tali can't save scores" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109073
10:11 cjwatson I get that sort of thing
10:11 iwj cjwatson: Do you get several if there are several ? I'm struggling to find an example right now ...
10:12 cjwatson iwj: haven't found an example or counterexample yet
10:12 dholbach I will set the contact adress of ubuntu-code-reviewers to noreply@ubuntu.com, I think
10:12 pitti dholbach: (repeating, it got lost) in which aspects is that new team (code-reviewers) different from the -{main,universe}-sponsors ones?
10:12 pitti TBH I don't see the reason for yet another team
10:12 evand calc: on it
10:12 dholbach pitti: all the members of the team agree to do reviews
10:12 pitti dholbach: but that's true for all three teams, no?
10:12 dholbach pitti: so seb128 and I will assign bugs that are older than two weeks to people of the team
10:13 dholbach pitti: no, you can be member of the other teams and just ignore bug mails
10:13 pitti dholbach: but in that case you shouldn't be a member
10:13 asac dholbach: you can do that for the new team too ... i find pittis point valid :)
10:13 dholbach we have lots of teams with lots of inactive members
10:13 pitti the very point of *-sponsors is to collect people who review, upload, and discuss already
10:13 pitti dholbach: so let's rather clean up the existing ones
10:14 dholbach ubuntu-code-reviewers will take care of *sponsors* bugs and needs-packaging bugs
10:14 asac dholbach: why not sort them out and put more strict policy/procedures on the existing teams?
10:14 dholbach pitti: do you want to throw out members?
10:14 pitti dholbach: e. g. your new team needs to be split into main and universe, too
10:14 iwj For bug 51468 I get only `Assignee' in the one -Rationale field despite being bug contact for the package too.
Launchpad bug 51468 in dpkg "dpkg-source doesn't respect group sticky bit" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51468
10:14 dholbach asac: because I don't want to review each member's work
10:14 pitti dholbach: no, asking everyone whether they are ok with actually doing stuff and asking them to leave the team if they don't
10:14 mdz one of the key ideas of dholbach's proposal is that we will dedicate time on a regular basis (e.g., weekly) to doing reviews
10:14 Keybuk iwj: I suspect it may pick the highest ranking reason? worth asking malone people on that outside the meeting, since they can provide a definite answer
10:14 asac dholbach: this sounds a bit like we will get new team every two years ?
10:15 cjwatson iwj: looking at the code I believe it only ever uses the first reason
10:15 iwj Keybuk: Mmm.
10:15 cjwatson (lib/canonical/launchpad/mailnotification.py:NotificationRecipientSet.add()
10:15 mdz Canonical developers will do this as part of their ongoing responsibilities, so that contributors get a quick turnaround
10:15 cjwatson )
10:15 pitti dholbach: that new team will accumulate cruft over time, too
10:15 dholbach asac: no, this team is not subscribed to bugs by default, but membership points out that you are willing to get bugs assigned, etc
10:15 iwj cjwatson: That means that if we want to have an email ping about incoming review stuff we need the email contact for the team to be a subscribable-to list.
10:15 dholbach pitti: cruft = people?
10:15 Mithrandir dholbach: a way would be to just make everybody's membership expire in a month's time, and anybody who's interested can just say they're interested and they'll keep.
10:15 mdz this new team represents a different workflow
10:16 pitti dholbach: I mean people who stay team members but get inactive
10:16 iwj dholbach: Quote!
=== pitti apologizes for bad wording
10:17 dholbach Mithrandir: we can have a short membership, yes
10:17 dholbach pitti: no problem, I just didn' understand
10:17 Mithrandir dholbach: and then make it expire in 12 months or so, like normal teams.
10:17 pitti auto-expiration sounds like a good idea to me to avoid this problem
10:17 cjwatson cruft != people, Soylent Green = people
10:17 ogra lol
10:18 dholbach as mdz already said: we have a different workflow in this team - nobody will get subscribed to bugs by default, so it will have a really small impact on your inbox, members will pick bugs they're interested in and get one assigned every now and then, if we can't keep up
10:18 asac and what will the old teams do on top? why can't we apply this workflow to them?
10:18 mdz I'm indifferent about the issue of how the teams in Launchpad are organized
10:19 mdz let's focus on the proposal itself
10:19 dholbach are there other questions about the proposal (apart from ... yes
10:19 mdz does anyone have feedback about the idea of *your* regular participation in these reviews?
10:19 asac yes ;)
10:19 pitti sounds good to me in general
10:19 pitti question is whether someone actually manages it and assigns stuff, or we just randomly pick
10:19 cjwatson the trick will be remembering to do it on a regular basis
10:19 asac for me too
10:19 mdz pitti: my suggestion was that dholbach would manage the queue
10:19 cjwatson hence tacking a reviewers meeting onto the end of the distro team meeting
10:20 seb128 pitti: we random pick and if something is not picked it gets assigned
10:20 cjwatson (just as a convenient slot because I didn't want to suggest creating YA meeting)
10:20 fabbione sounds sane to me
10:20 mdz to make sure that things don't wait too long, and get handed to someone quickly
10:20 pitti with assignments, planning and load balancing would be easier, but someone's got to do it, of course, which costs some time
10:20 mdz I think it's simpler to have a central person take care of that, and reviewers will only need to worry about emptying their queue each week
10:21 mdz which should be a small number of patches
10:21 cjwatson one other point will be to remind reviewees not to just go to the last person who sponsored their patch
10:21 mdz that way there's no polling, no forgetting to check for new reviews
10:21 mdz you can just handle them like bugs as they come in
10:21 keescook Is there a way to have the "Bugs related to ..." list only show the bugs still open in Ubuntu? (e.g. 58256 is not interesting)
10:21 pitti right
10:21 pitti and we could even pass around the management hat after some time
10:21 cjwatson otherwise (a) you start avoiding reviews out of the fear of being stuck with the same person again and again (b) reviewees get the benefit of multiple people's opinions over time
10:22 Mithrandir keescook: I believe there are bugs filed about that problem.
10:22 dholbach cjwatson: good idea
10:22 seb128 keescook: I think that's a launchpad bug
10:22 keescook Mithrandir: 'kay.
10:22 fabbione cjwatson: ++
10:23 kylem cjwatson++
10:23 mdz are there any objections to the idea of dholbach assigning the reviews to folks as they come in?
10:23 cjwatson keescook: you can at least just skip past the ones on Debian at the top
10:23 mdz he can take care of ensuring that nobody is overloaded, and that requests are routed to someone who knows about the package involved, if appropriate
10:23 keescook cjwatson: yeah, true. had just noticed that. :)
10:24 pitti keescook: write a greasemonkey script for us :)
=== keescook slaps his forehead
10:24 keescook pitti: duh, of course.
10:24 pitti (that would be heavily useful for archive bugs, too)
10:24 dholbach it'd be nice if you joined the team, if you're willing to help out there, so there's a list of people to assign bugs to :)
10:24 cjwatson people should also feel free to turn down reviews if they aren't last-resort-assignee and they don't know much about the package
10:25 pitti dholbach: I'm still not convinced about getting one new team for it; we either use the existing ones, or split yours into two (main/universe) and declare the other two as dead
10:25 mdz dholbach: we should ask for volunteers from the community, but distro team packagers are expected to do this as part of their regular work
10:25 cjwatson there are plenty of classes of bugs I know I will be of no use reviewing :)
10:25 cjwatson but everybody should have some they can handle
10:25 mdz the volume is not large, when considered against the size of this team
10:26 mdz even the current backlog is only a few reviews per developer
10:26 pitti dholbach: thanks a lot for bringing this up; that's quite obviously a forgotten area
10:26 dholbach mdz: ok, I'll announce the plan and ask for volunteers
10:27 dholbach I'm happy to drop the team if that's what everybody thinks is a good idea...
10:27 mdz dholbach: please add everyone from the distro team who is also a core developer to the team
10:27 mdz dholbach: (whichever team you decide to use)
10:27 dholbach I will divide the NEW packages upon the two teams too
10:27 dholbach mdz: will do
10:27 mdz any other questions about reviews?
10:27 seb128 dholbach: what do you mean, divide NEW?
10:28 dholbach seb128: needs-packaging Fix Committed bugs
10:28 seb128 dholbach: new packages go to universe
10:28 dholbach seb128: yes, but I don't want to put the whole load on people in the universe team
10:29 dholbach pitti: I'd prefer to have ubuntu-main-sponsors@lists.ubuntu.com before I add random people to it
10:29 seb128 dholbach: right, just subscribe everybody to those ;)
10:29 pitti dholbach: hm, do we need that list?
10:29 pitti dholbach: we have u-devel@ and bug mail already?
10:29 dholbach pitti: the advantage of the team is: you just get mails for bug reports that are assigned to you
10:30 dholbach if you're in ubuntu-main-sponsors you get all mails about main sponsoring bugs
10:30 dholbach and that's something I'd like to avoid
10:30 pitti dholbach: not if you set an appropriate team contact address
10:30 pitti that's a problem with either team
10:30 mdz let's take the discussion about team structure and mailing lists to email, if we could
10:30 pitti right
10:30 dholbach ok
10:31 mdz I agree that it's an important question to resolve, but we can do it as well offline I think
10:31 dholbach yes, that's better use of our time :)
10:31 mdz does anyone have questions about the sprint next week?
10:31 mdz some of you will be attending for the first time
10:31 amitk mdz: do we get to sleep?
10:31 shawarma no
10:31 bryce anything in particular we should be prepared for?
10:31 agoliveira Will we be fed like at Google?... not :)
10:31 mdz amitk: every night
10:32 Keybuk amitk: not if you don't want to
10:32 ogra did nobody forget their fridge magnet ?
10:32 shawarma ogra: I had no idea!
10:32 pitti ogra: OMG
10:32 mdz bryce: all the things you normally don't need to worry about when working at home :-)
10:32 ogra shawarma, there was a mail from jane
10:32 Keybuk oh yes, everyone is supposed to bring a fridge magnet from their country/city of origin to put on the millbank fridge
10:32 kwwii that makes two things i have to get before I leave
10:32 mdz you need to dress yourself every day, shower occasionally, etc.
10:32 ogra or was it from claire ?
10:32 shawarma ogra: Before i joined, it seems.
10:32 pitti ogra: thanks for the reminder
10:32 bryce mdz, :-)
10:32 ogra :)
10:32 agoliveira Keybuk: Didn't know that!
10:32 mdz bring an umbrella in case it rains
10:33 mdz and a jacket; it's summer, but it sometimes gets cold and windy along the river, especially at night
10:33 agoliveira I'll have to go shop for it because my wife hates them :)
10:33 fabbione mdz: people from real countries can breath in the water :P
10:33 ogra and fireproof underwear, you never know
10:33 Mithrandir mdz: is there a big enough fridge with enough soft drinks there?
10:33 mdz Mithrandir: there is what claire described as a "big fuck-off American style fridge"
10:33 bryce lol
10:33 ogra heh
10:33 Mithrandir mdz: ah, good.
10:33 amitk mdz: so how does the sprint work? Do we already have an agenda?
10:33 mdz with coca-cola and diet coke in it
10:33 mdz a coffee machine, a water cooler, etc.
10:34 kwwii amitk: we all sit around and watch you work :-)
=== agoliveira sighs remembering Google
10:34 Mithrandir kwwii: with whips.
10:34 cjwatson amitk: https://wiki.canonical.com/GutsySprintLondon has agenda items
10:34 mdz amitk: yes, there's a brief agenda to remind us of points we want to cover
10:34 cjwatson it will be much less formal than UDS though
10:35 mdz we get to pretend that we all work in the same office for a week
10:35 agoliveira mdz: "pretend that we all work"? :)
10:35 Keybuk one advantage to Millbank is that we have break-out rooms for smaller discussions
10:35 mdz we will have a few special guests from Canonical partners dropping by to talk with us as well
10:36 mdz you will also have the opportunity to meet some of your colleagues in other parts of Canonical
10:36 mdz even if you've been around for a while, there are a lot of new faces in the london office
10:36 cjwatson I would recommend bringing an Ethernet cable if you can
10:37 pitti oh, good point
10:37 cjwatson the office requires WPA and some wireless cards have trouble
10:37 pitti bcm43xx -> no wpa love
10:37 ogra are there spare keyboards, mice an ddislays in the office ?
10:37 fabbione cjwatson: are there going to be enough ports for everybody?
10:37 mdz especially if you insist on using a powerpc laptop
10:37 calc cjwatson: and wpa seems to have issues in gutsy too, whee :)
10:37 pitti cjwatson: we cannot get an exception for that week? (open wifi)
=== ogra wonders if he could bring more than one thin client
10:37 mdz ogra: no
10:37 ogra :/
10:37 ogra ok
10:37 Mithrandir calc: maybe somebody will then fix it. :-)
10:37 mdz most everyone uses laptops
10:37 calc Mithrandir: i hope so, i'm stuck on fiesty still
10:37 ogra yeah, makes sense
10:37 keescook bring a swtich too. :)
10:37 mdz ogra: you can have as many virtual machines as you like though
10:38 ogra heh
10:38 keescook *switch
10:38 ogra mdz, you know i like real HW ;)
10:38 Keybuk general warning
10:38 Keybuk DO NOT plug your laptop into a blue cable
10:38 Keybuk blue cables are BAD cables
10:38 agoliveira ?
10:38 cjwatson mdz: when the laptop refresh benefit kicks in, I shall not be ;-)
10:38 Mithrandir Keybuk: oh, RS422?
10:38 mdz blue cables are PoE for the phone system
10:38 fabbione Power over Ethernet?
10:38 Mithrandir oh, fun.
10:38 ogra fun
10:38 fabbione ehhe
10:38 agoliveira Cool
10:39 mdz I'm excited for everyone to get together at the new office, it will be great fun
10:39 bryce :-)
10:39 dholbach yeah :)
10:39 ogra yeah
10:39 ogra we'Re a huge crowd
10:39 cjwatson if you are scared of heights, don't go near the windows
=== ogra makes a note
=== agoliveira loves heights!
10:39 Mithrandir can we go out on the roof?
10:39 ogra *shudder*
10:39 mdz the forecast for monday and tuesday calls for rain
10:39 Keybuk Mithrandir: I don't believe so
10:39 pitti mdz: is there a principal ban of open wifis?
10:39 mdz pitti: you'll have to check with elmo about that
10:40 pitti mdz: i. e. it would be bad to just hook an AP to an ethernet and use that?
10:40 mdz but the office is well covered already
10:40 calc ogra: http://www.subzero.com/products/detail.aspx?cid=2&productid=11 <- the fridge i like ;)
10:40 pitti ok
10:40 bryce Linux developers should never go near windows
10:40 Keybuk pitti: we're on the 27th floor ... most of London would have line-of-sight with the AP
10:40 pitti well, I'll better bring a cable then
10:40 fabbione hmmmm
10:40 ogra calc, a for murders etc :)
10:40 fabbione i will need to find one... mine are all in use
10:40 ogra *ah even
10:40 mdz pitti: all the better to take advantage of the ridiculous internet bandwidth
10:40 agoliveira bryce: ... or trough it ;)
10:41 cjwatson pitti: I seem to remember asking once and being told that we couldn't have open wifi
10:41 fabbione suggested lenght of the cable?
10:41 mdz 2m
10:41 fabbione thanks
10:41 Keybuk power and ethernet access has been put in place by IS, and is quite generous
=== fabbione will need to de-rack one
10:41 Keybuk especially by hotel standards we've been previously used to
10:42 mdz you should find it a very comfortable place to sprint
10:42 Keybuk also, while here, set your local archive while here to the ordinary archive.ubuntu.com -- since any other traffic has to go *past* the real archive to get to the Internet anyway
=== pitti looks forward to see you all again, and the new office
10:42 dholbach :-)
=== seb128 too
10:42 agoliveira Any tips for first-timers in London?
10:42 fabbione agoliveira: don't get lost?
10:42 kylem will we have ethernet? i'm going to bring my macbook instead of my old ibm, and don't want to use buggy madwifi shit.
10:42 mdz agoliveira: just say "sorry" a lot, and you'll be fine
10:42 cjwatson kylem: yes
10:42 pitti agoliveira: watch out before crossing a street, cars come from the *other* side
10:43 pitti (seriously, that hit me more than once)
10:43 ogra calc, i can still easily look over my fridge, but the usual german would consider that thing huge already :)
10:43 kylem cjwatson, winning.
10:43 keescook kylem: bring a switch or two. :)
10:43 agoliveira pitti: I've being on Australia :)
10:43 cjwatson bring a cable, though there are spares
10:43 dholbach record shops! :-D
10:43 kylem dholbach, ohh winning
10:43 Keybuk pitti: I hope not *hit*
10:43 mdz don't forget your power adapter if you need one
10:43 evand Is anyone planning on hitting LRL once they get settled in at the hotel?
10:43 kylem evand, i'm heading up there on saturday morning.
10:43 pitti Keybuk: no, but close enough for my taste :)
10:43 ogra LRL ?
10:43 kylem evand, when do you arrive?
10:43 Keybuk LRL is about 2h travel from the hotel ;)
10:43 agoliveira mdz: I bought one of those you showed me. I should be fine
10:43 evand kylem: 10a
10:43 mdz a number of Canonical folks will be at LUGRadio Live
10:43 kylem evand, on saturday?
10:44 evand yes
10:44 ogra ah lug radio
10:44 kylem evand, at heathrow?
10:44 Keybuk evand: oh, then by all means, LRL is wonderful fun!
10:44 evand gatwick
10:44 kylem evand, ah, darn, do you have a GSM phone?
10:44 evand negative, cdma
10:44 kylem darn.
10:44 Keybuk people heading to LRL should take my mobile number, and I'll provide necessary directions, details and help
10:44 mdz another pro tip: check that your phone will be able to roam in the UK before leaving
10:44 kylem i arrive at LHR at 7:30, hoping to get a 1pm train from Euston to WVH
10:44 Keybuk (cdma does *not* work in the UK)
10:45 evand Hrmm, perhaps I can find a working SIP client for windows mobile 6.
10:45 mdz if not, make sure you don't get lost on the way to the hotel
10:45 mjg59 If you have an unlocked GSM phone, pay as you go SIMs are cheap and easily available
=== agoliveira have a A1200. No problem with that ;)
10:45 mdz mjg59: and anonymous!
10:45 kylem mjg59, is there a good place to buy an unlocked phone?
10:45 kylem mjg59, i could do with an upgrade. heh
10:46 Mithrandir mdz: everything related to building security and our access and such has been set up already, and we just show up?
10:46 calc kylem: you can unlock your phone fairly easily online
10:46 mdz random phone kiosks and (oddly enough) dry cleaners will unlock your phone for a few pounds
10:46 mjg59 kylem: Erm. I've usually used ebay.
10:46 kylem calc, yeah, but newer phones in britain.
10:46 mdz Mithrandir: assuming claire knows you're coming, you should be set
10:46 agoliveira mjg59: GOod call
10:46 Keybuk Mithrandir: front desk will provide you with visitor passes
10:46 ogra kylem, my discunter at the corner seels unlocked no names for 111 atm
10:46 amitk The hotel walking distance from the office, right?
10:46 iwj So err we seem to be running into the sands here. I hate to ask and interrupt all the banter but is still the meeting ?
10:46 Mithrandir mdz: what time do we start? 9am at millbank or when?
10:46 Mithrandir Keybuk: ok
10:46 mdz amitk: yes
10:46 fabbione we will need to renew the visitor pass every day?
10:46 mdz iwj: this is the response to my asking whether anyone had questions about the sprint
10:46 fabbione or is it going to be a weekly one?
10:46 shawarma fabbione: You don't bring it home.
10:46 iwj mdz: Yes.
10:46 shawarma fabbione: You get one each morning.
10:47 fabbione shawarma: ok thanks
10:47 iwj fabbione: Be sure to leave your bombs at the big gothic building just up the street with all the `Serious Place Under The We Will Lock You Up Act' notices.
10:47 mdz feel free to call my mobile if you have any trouble getting where you need to be
10:48 iwj Mithrandir: I assume so.
10:48 mdz is there any other business for the meeting?
10:48 fabbione iwj: ROFL
10:48 Mithrandir and, how's lunch arranged there?
10:48 mdz Mithrandir: lunch will be catered in
10:48 pitti just reminding everyone to look after their tribe-3 bugs now and then; we have scaringly many
10:48 Mithrandir sounds great.
10:48 mdz please be at millbank by 0930 monday morning
10:49 iwj 0930! A lie-in :-).
=== agoliveira remembers that joke about british chefs, french waiters and italian drivers...
10:49 Mithrandir when do we end for the day?
10:49 kylem mdz, do we have any organized dinners on sunday or friday?
10:49 fabbione mdz: 9:30 ?
10:49 fabbione oh oh
10:49 iwj fabbione: Don't ask, he might change his mind.
10:49 mdz kylem: I'm not sure, since I'm not traveling. :-) should be in the email from claire
10:49 fabbione iwj: i am good with 9.. i can't sleep past 5/6 anyway
10:49 Mithrandir fabbione: it's a walk from the hotel, so makes sense.
10:49 pitti fabbione: that's lunchtime for you already, right? :)
10:49 kylem ok.
10:49 fabbione pitti: exactly :)
10:50 fabbione Mithrandir: fair enough...
10:50 fabbione it's all good
10:50 iwj fabbione: Imagine the sprint is in Boston.
10:50 fabbione iwj: 5/6 UTC.. my body rejects TZs
10:50 mdz Mithrandir: depends on how much there is to do that day; going directly to dinner is common
10:50 ogra kylem, if we dont we'll organize one ourselves ;)
10:50 Mithrandir ok.
=== agoliveira sugests go see the transformers movie.... and duck!
10:51 keescook agoliveira: doesn't open until the 27th
10:51 kylem ogra, need to know when to be back in london for... if it's just monday morning, it's easier. :)
10:51 fabbione agoliveira: it's not such a bad idea
10:51 Keybuk Die Hard and Harry Potter are the openings here
10:51 fabbione keescook: you kidding? it's already on the screens here
10:51 ogra ah
10:51 agoliveira Here too I guess
10:51 keescook fabbione: that's correct. I was bummed
10:51 mdz kylem: even if there is something organized sunday night, it's not mandatory
10:51 kylem mdz, ok, that's more or less what i wanted to know.
10:51 kylem cheers.
10:51 mdz perhaps we can organize a trip to the cinema one evening
10:52 iwj I'll be getting into KX at 23something so I'll probably miss that :-).
10:52 bryce that'd be cool
10:52 ogra yeah
10:52 seb128 dholbach: new harry potter ;)
10:52 dholbach hehe :-)
10:52 iwj *shudder8
10:52 agoliveira No way! :)
10:52 mdz in the spirit of individual initiative, it's more likely to happen if someone takes the lead and organizes it
10:52 doko seb128: ask amy to buy one in chinese ;-)
10:53 mdz we're almost at time. is there anything else to cover for the meeting before we wrap up?
10:53 ogra doko++
10:53 bryce mdz, nope
10:53 seb128 doko: I think I like english better than chinese ;)
10:53 ogra we can all talk next week in person :)
10:53 mdz ok
10:53 mdz travel safely, everyone
10:53 fabbione cya sunday
10:53 mdz and good nightMeetingLogs/UbuntuDev/20070705 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:17:20 by localhost)