UbuntuDev_2006-04-27
09:59 mdz everyone present? === mvo is here 09:59 Riddell hi all 09:59 Keybuk I'm not 09:59 Riddell someone go and text Keybuk then 10:00 iwj Yes. 10:00 dholbach I'm here 10:00 BenC I was here 10:00 Kamion here 10:00 mvo I think Keybuk is missing 10:00 heno here 10:00 infinity I jiust dragged myself out of bed to be present, but am still sick as a dog and wishing I weren't. :) 10:01 mdz seb is on holiday, ogra and mvo were excused 10:02 dholbach mvo is here :) 10:02 mdz doko,Mithrandir,Kinnison,JaneW? 10:02 doko here 10:02 mdz mvo: hey, you said you couldn't make it! 10:02 mvo mdz: I'm here, I said "I may not make it" ;) 10:02 mvo I left early and did not shower *phear* === mdz stands away from mvo 10:03 dholbach YAY for mvo, he made it home living from the soccer court! :-) 10:03 mdz ah, tollef is excused as well 10:03 mdz busy night 10:03 Keybuk can I be excused too? :p 10:03 BenC did you fart? :) 10:03 fabbione so let's keep it fast 10:03 fabbione and we can all go back to sleep :) 10:03 mdz that's everyone we're expecting, then === BenC waits for it 10:04 Keybuk BenC: mmm, beans 10:04 mdz BenC: GO 10:04 BenC Kernel: Security updates for warty/hoary/breezy. New kernel upload with mostly bug fixes. Update of note, new ipw3945 driver is finally in. 10:04 BenC and that's all I have to say about that 10:04 mdz BenC: is ipw3945 fixed now? 10:04 mdz last I looked it was in-but-broken 10:04 BenC bugs are back at the top of my todo list 10:04 BenC broken? 10:05 BenC I still need to catch up on email, so that's news to me 10:05 infinity What's broken about it? 10:05 BenC the only thing I know that's "broken" is that it isn't on the installer 10:05 mdz https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/35215 10:05 Ubugtu Malone bug 35215 in linux-source-2.6.15 "ipw3945 driver required for functionality on new Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Mini-PCI Express Adapters" [Normal,In progress] 10:05 BenC will check it out 10:05 mdz ok 10:06 mdz it would be worthwhile to spend some time with sfllaw talking about kernel bugs 10:06 mdz help him help you to stay on top of that bug list 10:06 BenC ok 10:06 sfllaw BenC: Hi. 10:06 mdz BenC: feeling OK about the kernel freeze date of May 18? 10:07 mdz that's to be a hard freeze, final kernel in dapper by then 10:08 mdz barring Very Bad Things 10:08 BenC mdz: yep 10:08 pitti not even security updates? 10:08 BenC sfllaw: /m me after the meeting, we can get something going 10:08 mdz the sooner the bug list can be correctly prioritized, the better chance we have of nailing the worst of the bugs in time 10:08 mdz BenC: thanks 10:08 mdz dholbach: next? 10:08 dholbach Bugs: HugDay next week wednesday, slowly catching up with bugs, delighted to see more and more community members helping out, still the bug explosion is terryfying 10:08 dholbach IconMission: getting more and more icons in, g-p-m upload next, sent (our bugs as) requests to Dave, will poke some more 10:08 dholbach this week: MOTU mass bug filing about unmet deps, bug triage, random fixing 10:08 dholbach next week: HUG DAY, more bug fixing, more bug triage 10:08 dholbach question: Do we have the infrastructure for test-rebuilds already? Is that something I can push in the MOTU direction as well? 10:09 mdz dholbach: you've been planning the b^Hhug day with sfllaw, yes? 10:09 mdz in there a specific focus for this one? 10:09 dholbach mdz: absolutely, jhe'll tell us more about it :) 10:09 dholbach I didn't want to steal his show :) 10:09 mdz ok, we'll talk about it during his slot then 10:09 dholbach :-) 10:09 mdz dholbach: how is your bug count doing? 10:10 dholbach i think I have around 700 unread desktop-bugs mails 10:10 mdz and open desktop bugs? 10:10 Surak dholbach: I triaged some of them for you this week. hope it helps. 10:10 dholbach thanks Surak 10:10 iwj I keep reading `sfllaw' as an abbreviation for Eben Moglen's latest excellent project. 10:11 sfllaw Well, I'm not Moglen's. But my parents consider me an excellent project. 10:11 dholbach mdz: 906 assigned, 2751 subscribed 10:11 iwj sfllaw: *grin* 10:11 Keybuk iwj: reminds me of a sneeze 10:11 mdz dholbach: eek. approximately how many are serious and/or targeted for dapper? 10:12 dholbach there are lots of duplicates, lots of old needsinfo and lots of already fixed ones === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:12 seb128 mdz: I think we are good on the dapper milestone list though ;) 10:12 mdz seb128: you are on holiday! 10:12 seb128 ups 10:12 seb128 right :) 10:12 mdz /kick seb128 10:12 seb128 he 10:12 dholbach 19-39 milestones 10:12 mdz ok, I'll review those next week 10:12 dholbach and some have pending patches already 10:12 seb128 I'm just here for the meeting and I'll go back to my holidays, don't worry ;) === dholbach hugs seb128 10:12 mdz thanks dholbach 10:12 mdz doko: next? === seb128 hugs dholbach 10:13 doko - openoffice.org: ia32 updates, OOo updated from ooo-build, new translations, two complete build sets uploaded, rosetta is importing the message strings. OOo now on the Xubuntu CD's. Now forwarding Ubuntu changes upstream. TODO's: Kubuntu love, -l10n packages with Rosetta data (hopefully LP doesn't check if the diff.gz is larger than the orig.tar.gz ;) 10:13 doko - fonts: spent some time with fontconfig configuration for OOo, waiting on feedback from Diziet (the idea is to never match DejaVu and Bitstream when asking for exact metrics for font replacements). 10:13 doko - printing: gnome-cups-manager updates, hplip updates, new ttf-dejavu with the most important font bug for our gnome guys fixed (touching circles) TODO's: g-c-m could need much more love from a gnome hacker (or a rewrite), upstream seems to be dead. 10:13 doko - other: various bug fixing, building OOo breezy packages with idle CPU cycles, azureus (weekend work) === pitti cheers doko for his g-cups-mgr work 10:13 mdz doko: are both oo.o and firefox happy with their fonts now? 10:13 dholbach um... nobody answered my question - i guess i'll just talk to infinity and Kinnison about that later on 10:14 doko mdz: yes, but we could better, see (the idea is to never match DejaVu and Bitstream when asking for exact metrics for font replacements). 10:14 pitti doko: yes, g-c-m is indeed dead upstream 10:14 mdz dholbach: what question? 10:14 dholbach about test rebuilds 10:14 seb128 doko: printing has been moved to GTK for 2.10, I expect them to have stopped any print work on the other API to not have to do the work again 10:14 seb128 (ie: libgnomeprint(ui) will be deprecated) 10:14 dholbach apropos fonts: there's a new pango pending (just fyi) 10:14 iwj doko: Err, I seem to be missing that mail. Let me check again. 10:14 doko ok, so just get it somewhat working ... 10:14 mdz doko: what's your plan regarding Kubuntu? 10:14 doko iwj: no, my pings during the last 48 hours ;-P 10:15 iwj doko: Yes, I don't have that mail. 10:15 infinity dholbach: Sorry, I missed it. We have test-rebuild magic, and it's being turned on. 10:15 iwj Oh. IRC is not a reliable medium ! 10:15 mdz is oo.o-kde in need of love? 10:15 dholbach infinity: rock on! 10:15 Riddell on amd64 it is === dholbach hugs infinity 10:15 doko mdz: install it and check for the crashes, I never did see them with a KDE installation on top of Gnome 10:15 iwj doko: Want to chat now (well, when you're done with your report) in #ubuntu-devel or privmsg ? 10:15 mdz iwj: generally we do expect that if someone is logged into IRC, they will read messages addressed to them there (eventually) 10:15 doko iwj: sure, after the meeting 10:16 mdz doko: as far as Dapper, are you relatively satisfied with the printing packages now, after this last batch of updates? 10:16 iwj mdz: I do try to search for my nick when I arrive in the morning and periodically. 10:17 mdz dholbach: new bugfix pango, presumably? 10:17 dholbach yeah === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:17 dholbach I just wanted to tell doko beforehand 10:17 doko mdz: not yet, network printers could be better, naming of printers could be better (but seems to be major work), will address duplicate HP printers in the seleciton 10:17 mdz doko: are any of those regressions from breezy? 10:17 pitti ivoks did some nice work wrt network printers 10:17 doko dholbach: "interesting" === melon__ [n=melon@eog129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:18 pitti I still have to take a look at his patches 10:18 dholbach doko: it fixes stuff, I know it means work for you. === Howdy125 [n=Howdy125@c-71-231-68-54.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:18 pitti mdz: the one doko mentioned aren't regressions, they have always been that bad IIRC 10:18 doko pitti: yes 10:18 mdz ok 10:19 mdz doko: thanks 10:19 mdz fabbione: next? 10:19 fabbione * server-candy: Missing/buggy: apache2 for "central snakeoil SSL setup". 10:19 fabbione * ubuntu-cluster: should be done. It needs one last global review before going gold. 10:19 fabbione * last week: almost ill all week. 10:19 fabbione * next week: X bug squashing. 10:19 pitti however, with a few easy changes, we can make network printers much nicer 10:19 mdz fabbione: what's wrong with apache2? 10:19 fabbione mdz: the same it has been for the last 2 meetings. 10:19 fabbione mdz: it needs ssl love 10:19 fabbione and infinity has been ill too 10:19 mdz pitti: if it's straightforward and low-risk, just do it, otherwise send me details to discuss 10:19 fabbione so nobody gave him love 10:19 fabbione did i mention i hate X? 10:20 fabbione if not. it's official... I hate X :) 10:20 mdz people who touch apache are dying 10:20 mdz fabbione: how are you feeling today? 10:20 pitti mdz: yes, it's easy, just a matter of time 10:20 fabbione mdz: worked 12 hours more or less.. so i would say good... killed 20 bugs or so === zell1983 [n=zell1983@host42-123.pool875.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:20 zell1983 . 10:21 mdz fabbione: arrange to spend some time talking with sfllaw about X bug triage 10:21 fabbione mdz: will do 10:21 mdz thanks 10:21 mdz heno: next? 10:21 heno * accessibility: working with Luke on broken config stuff seen in Live CD beta testing; did a fair bit of work with upsteam on shaping a new Orca and general a11y configuration system. Also wrote some specs for a11y SoC projects. 10:21 heno * winfoss: continued work on the kubuntu version; looking to upload on Monday 10:21 heno * other: some firefox bug triage 10:22 mdz heno: are there further accessibility fixes that you intend to land for dapper? 10:22 dholbach enable brltty again - I have to do that 10:22 dholbach and we're going to split the gnome-a11y-themes package 10:22 heno yes, some of the gconf setting don't quite work yet 10:22 dholbach that's all I can think of for now 10:22 mdz brltty scares me 10:22 heno I think it's been submitted though 10:23 dholbach (re: brltty - we have the memleak patch) and I asked Keybuk to look at udev rules for it 10:23 infinity Oh, pff, it only ate 1.5GB of RAM in 2 days over here, that's not scary. 10:23 Keybuk you did, yes 10:23 mdz I don't think it should run by default 10:23 mdz only if the accessibility mode is enabled 10:23 mdz is that possible? 10:23 dholbach ok, I'll talk with TheMuso to think how we achieve that in an easy way 10:23 mdz i.e., if the user boots the live cd in accessible mode and does an espresso install, they get it, otherwise no 10:23 Keybuk dholbach: the main problem with the rules you suggested is that it wouldn't ever stop 10:24 mdz ok 10:24 mdz heno: thanks 10:24 mdz infinity: next? 10:24 dholbach Keybuk: ok, if you could explain after the meeting, that'd be nice 10:24 infinity last week: was sick (still am) most of the week, but managed to keep on top of build failures, uploading some fixes, pinging maintainers about others, otherwise taking orange juice inteavenously and following doctor's orders (mostly) 10:24 infinity next week: nail the samba segv I introduced in my last upload, attack some pending security updates, then hit my bug list and reduce it by half (or more), time permitting. 10:24 mdz infinity: what's the doc's prognosis? 10:25 infinity I'm not dying, I just need to sleep and back away from the computer for a bit. Upcoming weekend should solve that for good, I suspect. 10:25 mdz ok, rest up 10:26 mdz infinity: thanks 10:26 mdz iwj: next? 10:27 iwj Firefox: 1.5.0.2 finally uploaded following various faff. 10:27 iwj Evince vs firefox fonts problem: you'll have seen my uploads, perhaps, after moderately extensive delving into fontconfig and pango. Anyone got any more feedback about this ? The current situation is still not 100% correct but it gives the right outcome in most of the key cases AFAICT. 10:27 iwj Firefox: pango slowness: have `fix' script, just installing Dapper in various languages to test it. I'm really looking forward to doing an install in Japanese or Chinese :-/. 10:27 iwj Firefox: other bugfixes will go in RSN, FYI. If you have favourite bugs you want me to fix, please ping me about them and I'll put them on my list. The Malone bug pile for Firefox is still rather unmanageable despite the very helpful triage assistance I'm getting. 10:27 iwj Ghostscript bugs: that'll be next weeks' task. 10:27 iwj AutomatedTesting,DeveloperDocumentation: on hold because I want to fix all the bugs I'm going to as soon as possible. 10:27 iwj UK public holiday this coming Monday. === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 10:27 mdz iwj: what's the basic issue with evince vs. firefox? 10:27 mdz they're both behaving fairly sanely for me at the moment 10:27 iwj This is the thing I invented anymetrics=1 for. 10:27 mdz ok, right 10:27 iwj Indeed, because of my fix :-). 10:27 mdz so printing vs. screen fonts 10:27 iwj Exactly. 10:28 iwj That's what doko wants to talk to me about, too. 10:28 melon__ hp omnibook xe4500 hibernation/suspend makes display black. is there any link how to fix this (I've googled around with no luck) 10:28 mdz are there any test cases folks might be able to try? 10:28 iwj mdz: That's tricky. 10:28 mdz melon__: there's a meeting in progresss here (which is the purpose of this channel, not bug reports) 10:28 pitti melon__: #ubuntu, please, we are in a meeting 10:28 mdz melon__: try #ubuntu-laptop 10:28 iwj The best answer is to do all the weird things that only you do, and if they go wrong in a fonty way, get in touch. 10:29 iwj I seem to have started to `understand' how fontconfig `works' so I might be able to help with other kinds of things, although it's a bit of a swamp really. 10:29 melon__ ok, thank you (sorry for interrupting) 10:29 mdz I think most of us print things so rarely that we don't notice these things so much 10:29 iwj mdz: Right, but previews count as printing for these purposes (well, for anymetrics=1, anyway, though of course gs and evince might use different fonts for the same file ...) 10:29 mdz iwj: it would be worthwhile to get in touch with epiphany upstream regarding that list of languages and how they chose it; seb128 may be able to help with that (AFTER his holiday) 10:30 iwj OK. 10:30 iwj I was going to deploy it with that list and see who complained. 10:30 iwj Omissions will be quite obvious I imagine. 10:30 mdz iwj: as you go through gs bugs, it's probably a good idea to subscribe ubuntu-printing to them, to group them with the other printing bugs 10:30 iwj The alternative would be a whitelist instead of a blacklist - ie list languages we know pangoless is safe with. 10:30 seb128 iwj: epiphany upstream are on #epiphany (irc.gnome.org), you probably want to speak to chpe 10:30 iwj mdz: Willdo. 10:30 iwj seb128: Noted. 10:31 mdz iwj: thanks 10:31 mdz Kamion: next? 10:31 seb128 (other way I'll be available after my holidays as pointed by mdz :p) 10:31 Kamion this-week: Renamed espresso to ubiquity, hopefully keeping most people relatively happy. Post-beta madness, fixing up lots of ubiquity bugs, especially partitioner-eats-your-disk; beta 2 nearly done. 10:31 Kamion next-week: High-priority ubiquity bugs (more partitioner crashes, mostly); go through Malone hoovering up patches I need to apply. 10:31 Kamion ue-partitioning-tool: I'd like to discuss deferring the remaining specced changes to the partitioner. Modulo crashes, the partitioner we have now at least structurally works, and I'm loath to mess around with its structure much more before release. 10:32 mdz Kamion: the rename seems to have gone rather quietly; is that a fair impression? 10:32 Kamion mdz: yep 10:32 mdz Kamion: how are you feeling about the ubiquity bug list? 10:32 Kamion the Germans complain they can't spell it mind 10:32 Kamion mdz: holding steady around 70 bugs, maybe 10-20 serious; I think I can get through the worst of them in the next two weeks 10:32 pitti we'll learn it :) 10:33 mdz it was a bit of a fright to learn that we had such a serious bug in beta that none of us saw 10:33 iwj How many eats-your-disk bugs were there ? === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-167-106.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:33 Kamion yes, definitely; I knew about the general bug but not its implications 10:33 Kamion iwj: just one, AFAIK 10:33 Kamion well, one root cause 10:33 iwj Oh, right. Not _so_ bad then (unless it was your disk). 10:33 Surak Kamion: can I transfer all bugs assigned to espresso to ubiquity? there were some this week. 10:33 Surak from espresso to ubiquity, i mean 10:33 Riddell Kamion: beta 2 out tonight? 10:34 Kamion Surak: I already did so for nearly all of them; there's one left which I'll do now 10:34 Kamion Surak: feel free to reassign any further ones that arrive === zell1983 [n=zell1983@host42-123.pool875.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["L'] 10:34 mdz Kamion: of the 70, you've mostly looked at all of them regarding their severity? 10:35 Kamion mdz: I've looked at all the bugs, but my mental notion of their severity isn't necessarily reflected in Malone; I'll try to rectify that ASAP 10:35 mdz ok 10:35 mdz Kamion, meet sfllaw ;-) 10:35 Kamion :-) 10:35 sfllaw Kamion: We've already met. 10:35 sfllaw Kamion: And please fix them. It will be good for all of us. :) 10:35 mdz thanks 10:35 Kamion the quality of bugs since I added that crash handler has risen dramatically, too, so I have medium-to-high hopes 10:35 mdz Keybuk: next? 10:35 Keybuk * udev: in good shape, not aware of any open bugs 10:35 Keybuk * initscripts: NFS mounting race condition, just got to move it to a network event, but want to make sure I don't break /usr as NFS; have plan 10:35 Keybuk * network-manager: been starting to go down the bug list and have tracked down a few of them, and getting the rest sent upstream 10:35 Keybuk * misc: been going through all the packages checking for /var/run and /var/lock issues and also looked for packages still using /etc/hotplug or shipping udev rules wrong, etc. 10:35 Keybuk * plans: start going through bugs in other packages looking for things I can fix === fabbione suggests X to Keybuk 10:36 Keybuk "X" ? 10:36 fabbione xorg 10:36 mdz Keybuk: I was looking at that ifupdown "Network is down" bug the other day, the one with all the unrelated (and probably obsolete) reports of network interfaces not being brought up === Keybuk knows so little about X, I'm not sure I'd be any help 10:36 mdz Keybuk: is there an issue there? 10:36 Keybuk mdz: got a bug# to refresh me 10:37 Keybuk there isn't one on ifupdown 10:37 mdz I think it was on n-m or someplace else silly 10:37 Keybuk I fixed the one that was about network interfaces not being brought up 10:37 mdz it struck me as a tangled web that needed unweaving 10:37 Keybuk which was also the same bug that caused it to hang on boot at "Configuring network interfaces" sometimes 10:37 Keybuk I may have missed a dup or two of that 10:38 Keybuk it was evil 10:38 doko there was one nasty debhelper bug ignoring errors when servies are restarted on upgrade (means reupload of these packages is needed) 10:38 Keybuk a "minor" udev change we snuck in from upstream just before I froze it (so months ago) meant that ifup was called with the original name of an interface, not its renamed name 10:38 mdz this one looked different, though; it had lots of unrelated reports but the original issue wasn't clearly addressed 10:38 Keybuk hmm, I'll have to find that one -- if you come across it again, subscribe me to it and ping me on it 10:38 mdz Keybuk: bug 21563 10:38 Ubugtu Malone bug 21563 in dhcp3 dhcp3-client "Network doesn't come up after boot" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/21563 10:38 mdz you're already subscribed and have commented much 10:39 Keybuk oh, *that* one 10:39 mdz but I think it got lost in a sea of unrelated stuff 10:39 Keybuk yeah, that one we have *no* clue about 10:39 Keybuk we've had that since, oh, warty I think 10:39 mdz er, no, that's not the one I meant 10:39 Keybuk I certainly came across it in breezy 10:39 Keybuk oh 10:39 mdz ah 10:39 mdz bug 19740 10:39 Ubugtu Malone bug 19740 in dhcp3 dhcp3-client "unexplained failure to obtain DHCP address" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/19740 === pitti suggests to go on, we are a bit short in time 10:39 mdz SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied 10:39 mdz ... 10:39 mdz receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down 10:39 mdz ... 10:39 mdz send_packet: Network is down 10:39 mdz that one 10:39 Keybuk mdz: yeah, that's still the general thought of bug 10:39 mdz pitti: yes, but we're also short on people, so it will go quickly :-) 10:39 Keybuk I frequently blame pitti <g> 10:40 pitti mdz: hm, right; so, sorry :) 10:40 mdz Keybuk: let's chat about it another time 10:40 Keybuk gah, we still have to confirm we want to subscribe 10:40 doko yeah, but pitti doesn't belong to the short people 10:40 mdz saw the NFS mount thing, that definitely needs addressing for the release (set the milestone if it isn't already) 10:40 mdz Keybuk: thanks 10:40 mdz Kinnison: next? 10:41 pitti he's alive again? 10:41 Keybuk Kinnison is very dead 10:41 pitti yesterday he was still ill 10:41 Keybuk <rjek> Poor Kinni. He's got a chest infection. Been given the largest possible dose of Amoxicillin, and he has to take 6 steriods a day for a week. 10:41 mdz oh, did I miss an email on that? === mvo wonders if the plague has come back 10:42 zul probably 10:42 mdz I don't see a mail, hrm 10:42 mdz Mithrandir: on to you, then 10:42 mdz er 10:42 mdz except that he's not here 10:42 mdz mvo: you're up 10:43 mvo Did: 10:43 mvo - uploaded the backported update-manager to breezy-updates 10:43 mvo - dist-upgrade testing (amd64, i386) 10:43 mvo - dist-upgrade tool work 10:43 mvo - bug triage/reporting/fixing 10:43 mvo - lots of cd testing 10:43 mvo - some apt work (merging/bugs overview/proxy issues) 10:43 mvo Will do: 10:43 mvo - more bugfixing/bug triage 10:43 mvo - some improvments to the upgrade tool (sources.list rewriting) 10:43 mvo Blocked: 10:43 mvo - sysadmin setup for the auto-dist-upgrade testing 10:43 mdz mvo: have there been any issues arising from the upgrade testing where we might want to customize the upgrade process further? 10:44 mvo mdz: yes, the sources.list rewriting needs some further love, I improved the mirror detection and will offer a fallback when no official sources was detected 10:44 mvo I use the mirror from wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive now 10:44 mvo to detect if its a official ubuntu source 10:44 mdz mvo: but no other obsolete packages to remove, etc.? 10:45 mdz mvo: and is the metapackage fixup code working well? 10:45 mvo mdz: it seems to be, the reports are encouraging 10:45 mvo when it fails it seems to fail because of sources.list rewriting problems 10:45 mvo and of course during post-inst failures 10:45 mdz mvo: the auto-dist-upgrade testing just needs a chroot, right? 10:45 Keybuk (interrupts) oh, and I hopefully solved the complaints about network intefaces getting odd names after upgrade -- iftab is "fixed" by the udev postinst (in a nice way) 10:46 mvo I found some amd64 specific problems recently I looked more into this 10:46 mvo can't test ppc myself 10:46 mvo mdz: yes, just a chroot and pulling a special package 10:46 mdz mvo: ping admins and let them know you are blocked; it should be quick to set up 10:46 pitti mvo: ping me for ppc stuff 10:46 fabbione mvo: and the demotion thingy :) 10:46 fabbione mvo: remind me tomorrow to test ppc 10:47 mdz Keybuk: iirc it was something like "turns wrong iftabs into correct iftabs" ;-) 10:47 pitti mvo: oh, is there work in progress for dealing with packages that become unsupported after dist-upgrade? 10:47 mvo fabbione: yeah, fabbione came up with the problem that packages moved from main to universe during the breezy->dapper will be considerd obsolete if the user only has main in his sources.list 10:47 mdz oh 10:47 Keybuk mdz: yeah (mvo just reminded me -- I was going to put it in the update manager, but decided postinst was better) 10:47 mdz Kamion: I think we're due for an anastacia session === Kamion nods 10:47 mvo pitti: that is a special case of fabbiones problem, I think we can solve it with the same solution 10:47 Kamion I've been doing bits, but nothing concentrated 10:47 Kamion Scott has done a few bits too 10:48 Keybuk yeah, I've got the hang of this ftp stuff 10:48 mdz Keybuk: let's spend some quality time with anastacia 10:48 Keybuk when would you like to do that? 10:48 mvo pitti: fabbione had the idea to include a list of all demotinons so that we can tell the user about them 10:48 mdz it should be close to empty at this point, modulo some remaining xubuntu bits 10:48 Kamion Keybuk: PLAGIARISM 10:48 pitti mvo: right 10:48 mdz Keybuk: after the meeting, if you're staying up 10:48 Keybuk sure 10:48 mdz mvo: anything alarming on the apt bug list? 10:48 Keybuk Kamion: who am I plagiodfiodasjfdjksf(can't spell that one)ising? 10:49 mvo mdz: BADSIG errors from transparent/bad proxies 10:49 mvo that seems to be the only issue 10:49 mvo we are plagued by this since some time :/ 10:49 mdz what can we do? 10:49 Kamion Keybuk: http://xanna.livejournal.com/51821.html 10:49 mvo stub is helping by testing my various patches 10:49 Keybuk Kamion: ahh, wrong window? :) 10:49 mvo mdz: not sure, I'm pretty sure we are rfc compliant and the proxy is not 10:49 mdz mvo: would it help at all to try to disable caching with cache-control entirely? 10:50 Keybuk Kamion: I'll paste that to Jen :p 10:50 mvo but that dosn't help a lot 10:50 mvo mdz: interesstingly not, stub has to run apt-get update twice (he is behing a very aggressive proxy apparently) 10:50 Kamion Keybuk: oh, whoops, yeah 10:50 mdz hmm, ok 10:50 mdz mvo: thanks 10:50 mvo mdz: he runs with -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=true 10:50 mdz ogra is out, but sent this: 10:50 mdz * general: beta preparation, manpages for ltsp, further work on the 10:50 mdz edubuntu getting started guide, still no final artwork yet (and a very 10:50 mdz unhappy community about the chalkboard decision :( ), beta2 preparation 10:50 mdz and tests, bug triage (dhcp, ltsp, edubuntu bugs), lots of community 10:50 mdz work, preparing the new edubuntu council 10:50 mdz * next-week: bughunt. more doc work, more bug triage, hopefully final 10:50 mdz artwork for edubuntu, first edubuntu council meeting, writing the tech 10:50 mdz chapters for the cookbook, checking the new edubuntu testplans with the 10:50 mdz new edubuntu test team. 10:51 mdz pitti: next? 10:51 pitti reducing-duplication: kdegraphics dropped imlib b-dep, which gets us rid of imlib (yay) and another gtk+1.2 r-dep. no other progress; php5-sqlite transition to sqlite3 still needs to happen for dapper 10:51 pitti general stuff done in the past two week: 10:51 pitti * security updates: firefox, mozilla, mysql, ruby, cyrus-sasl; coordinated kernel update with BenC, will release probably tomorrow 10:51 pitti * bug triage and bug fixing 10:51 pitti * much cupsys love 10:51 pitti * new language packs 10:51 pitti * CD testing 10:51 pitti * cleaned up main inclusion queue a fair bit 10:51 pitti plan for next week: 10:51 pitti * celebrate EOL of Warty :) 10:51 pitti * tbird security update 10:51 pitti * torture infinity with PHP security update 10:51 pitti * bugs, bugs, bugs 10:51 mdz pitti: is gtk1.2->universe a possibility for dapper? 10:52 pitti mdz: nontrivial === mvo hugs pitti for EOL of warty 10:52 pitti mdz: libdv and some odbc stuff still need it 10:52 infinity php5-sqlite requires me to do a couple of sync from Debian, and a bit of futzing, but it'll be trivial. 10:52 infinity s/sync/syncs/ 10:52 pitti mdz: libdv, libiodbc2, smpeg, xmms 10:52 pitti xmms can be demoted, the rest is some serious work 10:53 mdz ok, best to leave it for now, then 10:53 doko pitti: can't the odbc stuff be splitted into two sources? === freemanen [n=freemane@c83-248-211-3.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:53 mdz pitti: is the new cups working out ok? any testing feedback? 10:53 pitti mdz: yes, it didn't break the world at least 10:53 mdz pitti: gee, that's very encouraging to hear post-beta ;-) 10:53 pitti mdz: I got a fair number of new bug reports, but I don't know whether they already applied to earlier versions 10:54 mdz pitti: language packs seem to be looking good according to the stats 10:54 pitti mdz: I think I can do something about some bugs, when I find some time after tbird, and such 10:54 mdz I wonder how we are doing with translations in the default desktop 10:54 pitti mdz: indeed; I'm working with carlos for more convergence 10:55 pitti oh, I need to fix some packages for building POTs; help would greatly be appreciated 10:55 mdz pitti: it's a short list, yes? 10:55 pitti mdz: 15ish 10:55 janimo pitti, the 6 xfce ones I'll do asap 10:55 mdz mvo: can you help with the .pot fixes? 10:56 pitti great 10:56 mvo mdz: sure 10:56 mdz mvo: thanks 10:56 pitti coping with the rest will be relatively easy, and it's nonintrusive, so I'll defer it a bit 10:56 mdz thanks pitti 10:56 mdz Riddell: next? 10:56 Riddell done: bugfixes, kde ubiquity, beta 1 & 2 testing, new koffice 10:56 Riddell todo: kde ubiquity, bugfixes, make sure i18n works for kubuntu-docs 10:56 Riddell good news: KDE now largely working with CUPS 1.2, thanks to mh21 10:56 pitti I urgently need to find time to look into some dhcp bugs 10:56 mvo pitti: let talk about it after the meeting (or tomorrow morning) 10:56 mdz Kamion,Riddell: how is kde ubiquity looking? 10:57 pitti Riddell: I'll tell mh21 the great news :) 10:57 Riddell mdz: working well for me 10:57 Riddell mdz: still a number of things to fix, but certainly on target 10:57 mdz Riddell: there are a lot of untriaged kubuntu bugs around 10:57 Riddell qstring/unicode is a bit of a mystery I need to solve 10:57 mdz Riddell: I suggest a session with sfllaw to see how he can help 10:58 Riddell mdz: about 25 marked as major 10:58 mdz Riddell: there seem to be a lot which haven't been looked at yet, so it's hard to say how many serious ones there could be 10:58 Riddell main problem app is knetworkconf which Lure has been doing some fixes for 10:58 Kamion mdz: I fixed up a fair few over the last couple of days, since I was getting the bugs anyway and wanted to have a clue about them 10:59 Kamion Riddell: I think I've mostly got a handle on the qstring/unicode thing now - I don't really like how pyqt does it but I think at least I know how to handle it now 10:59 Riddell mdz: the serious ones should have a priority set 10:59 mdz Riddell: you know that priority is going away, right? better to use severity (since that's usually more meaningful anyway) 11:00 Riddell or do I mean severity? The one with Major/Critial/Wishlist etc 11:00 mdz yes, severity :-) 11:00 mdz thanks Riddell 11:00 mdz seb128: YOU ARE ON HOLIDAY === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] 11:00 pitti you scared him 11:00 mdz rightly so 11:00 doko we should have kicked him ;) 11:00 mdz so last order of business, everyone welcome sfllaw 11:01 Riddell hi sfllaw 11:01 sfllaw Hi everybody! === dholbach pets his seb128 plush figure. 11:01 zul hi simon 11:01 pitti sfllaw: welcome 11:01 doko sfllaw: welcone 11:01 doko s/n/m/ 11:01 sfllaw Did: 11:01 sfllaw - Bug triage 11:01 sfllaw - Talking to #ubuntu-bugs volunteers 11:01 sfllaw - Wiki editing 11:01 sfllaw - Learning about my surroundings. === Sura1 [n=ubuntu@20150104064.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:01 sfllaw Will do: 11:01 sfllaw - More of the above 11:01 Kamion hello QA man extraordinaire 11:01 sfllaw - Next week, we'll be having a HUG day that concentrates on crasher bugs. We're planning on using GDB and valgrind. 11:01 mvo hello sfllaw 11:01 sfllaw Please feel free to chat with me about how our new QA department can make life easier for you. I can't promise miracles, but I'll do my best. 11:01 sfllaw Also, I also want to thank dholbach, who's done a great job looking out for me, as I bumble around. 11:01 Keybuk sfllaw: welcome === Sura1 is now known as Surak 11:01 dholbach sfllaw: It was a pleasure. It's good to know you're around. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:02 pitti Kamion: can you please give a quick status about new breezy images? still blocked by some soyuz issue? 11:02 ajmitch sfllaw: welcome :) 11:02 mdz simon will be working through our unconfirmed bugs and culling duplicates, set severities, and otherwise separating the wheat from the chaff 11:02 sfllaw dholbach: Was? I'm still going to bother you for help. 11:02 dholbach sfllaw: Don't worry. 11:02 sfllaw mdz: Yup. That's the plan. 11:02 sfllaw I do a little bit of verification on Unconfirmed bugs to see if I can quickly confirm them, or find them in other BTSes. 11:02 Kamion pitti: need to check up with cprov/Kinnison whether it can deal with d-i uploads to pockets now; after that I plan to bodge katie until she submits 11:03 mdz and we're out of time 11:03 sfllaw We have a lot of unconfirmed bugs right now, so I can't dig too deeply. 11:03 mdz so, thanks everyone
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