UbuntuDev_2006-06-29
04:01 mdz today, for variety, we go in case-sensitive ascending order by nick 04:01 ogra (or better with that specific broadcom card) 04:01 mdz Kamion: you're up first 04:01 Kamion haha, ok 04:01 Kamion ue-partitioning-tool: Leftover from Dapper, approved. 5 days. 04:01 Kamion revive-tasksel: Approved. Since this is basically yanking code back in sync with Debian and writing a bit of glue, I expect about 4 days of work allowing for a bit of initial testing. 04:01 Kamion sane-installer-keyboard: Approved. I reckon about 10 days, given that upstream has volunteered to do some of the hard bits (yay). Have given primary responsibility for this to Tollef, although I'm sure I'll still do the odd bit of work on it. 04:01 Kamion no-more-devfs: Approved. I'm estimating about 3 days of work to clear this all u 04:01 Kamion p. If we time it right then we can do it in cooperation with Debian (needs to be 04:01 Kamion after etch d-i beta 3, which is "soon", but also needs to miss UVF by as little 04:01 Kamion as possible). 04:01 Kamion seed-cleanup: Drafting; will finish soon. Remaining germinate change is about a day's work. 04:01 Kamion ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Still drafting, but I'll finish that this week. Calling this 20 days; may need to drag in help, at least from a KDE person for the Qt interface. 04:02 Kamion misc: Merges, merges, merges. Also hideously behind on e-mail; don't expect me t 04:02 Kamion o have read anything on non-announcement mailing lists. 04:02 Kamion oops, apologies for crappy line-wrapping 04:03 mdz Kamion: you have 5 targets approved for edgy so far, though seed-cleanup needs fleshing out 04:03 Kamion what one did I miss? 04:03 mdz how many more of those do you expect to be able to take on for edgy? 04:04 Kamion or was that counting ubiquity-advanced-partitioner? 04:04 Kamion the above comes to about 7 weeks of development time in total 04:04 Kamion I may have room for some of langpacks-on-cd 04:04 mdz the ones targeted for edgy currently are ue-partitioning-tool, revive-tasksel, no-more-devfs, seed-cleanup and ubuntu-meta-from-bzr [implemented] 04:04 mdz Kamion: so is the list above the ones you think will fit? 04:04 Kamion yeah 04:05 mdz I think sane-installer-keyboard was recently approved; isn't on the edgy list yet 04:05 mdz please target it to edgy 04:05 Kamion sane-installer-keyboard is targeted to edgy, but I gave it to Tollef 04:06 mdz ah, there it is 04:06 Kamion I've thrown ubiquity-advanced-partitioner at edgy too 04:06 mdz I am sorted by assignee 04:06 mdz ok 04:06 mdz Kamion: thanks 04:06 mdz Keybuk: next 04:06 Keybuk automake-transition: Approved. our spec has appeared to fuel the Debian maintainer into doing much of the work; we should get this one for free. 04:06 Keybuk teardown: Approved. Tested at the conference, changes to ubuntu-desktop dependencies can be done once they've been merged, other packages as and when they come up. Estimated only a day of work to make the changes listed in the spec (they're already done on my laptop). 04:06 Keybuk libata-for-all-ata-disks: Approved. Will approach this once the merges are out of the way and the kernel patch is in, perfecting the migration is expected to take the bulk of the time, as is testing the new drivers. 04:06 Keybuk boot-message-logging: Approved. Makes sense to implement it in pair with 04:06 Keybuk replacement-init: Drafting/Approval tennis with Kamion, making sure this is specified right first. The scope of this specification is deliberately limited for edgy to just replacing /sbin/init and the companion tools. The specification also contains a hard deadline that must be reached by FeatureFreeze for it to not be deferred. I believe that this scope is reachable with a high degree of confidence in the implementation and changes by Featu 04:07 Keybuk reFreeze. I expect this to be the bulk of my work for the edgy timeframe. 04:07 Keybuk dash-as-bin-sh: Implemented 04:07 Keybuk other: the all-new merge-o-matic now running 04:07 mdz Keybuk: doesn't dash-as-bin-sh need an upgrade transition? 04:07 Keybuk mdz: elaborate? one was not defined in the spec 04:07 mdz Keybuk: I saw your upload to change the debconf default, but that won't affect upgrades, no? 04:08 jbailey I saw it come in today and it switched it here. 04:08 Keybuk it won't affect upgrades if someone had already installed dash ... but then if somebody had done that, they probably set it as the default anyway 04:08 fabbione meh 04:08 Kamion it will affect upgrades from systems that didn't previously have dash installed 04:08 Keybuk dash wasn't previously installed by default 04:08 Kamion Keybuk: not true, it was a dependency of initrd-tools 04:08 Kamion so fresh installs of <=breezy will have it 04:08 mdz yes, pretty much all of my systems have it installed 04:09 mdz anyway, ->offline 04:09 Keybuk ah, that wasn't known 04:09 mdz Keybuk: what's your guess about the doability of replacement-init? 04:09 Keybuk in that case, yes, upgrades from systems with dash already installed need to be adjusted 04:09 ogra i have it too nd this machine has only seen dapper 04:09 Keybuk mdz: should be both doable, stable and everyone actually confident about it -- the scope is deliberately limited to just replacing init and the standard initscripts and not requiring *any* other changes 04:10 mdz Keybuk: and there's no existing init we can adopt rather than NIHing it? 04:10 Keybuk I've set hard deadlines in the spec 04:10 Keybuk mdz: there isn't, sadly :-/ 04:10 Keybuk I looked at every single one 04:10 Keybuk welcome to elaborate offline on that 04:10 Keybuk (it would be too much of a discussion here) 04:10 mdz ok 04:11 mdz you should have your hands reasonably full with that 04:11 Keybuk yes, I arranged my other specs on the basis I would have 04:11 mdz Keybuk: thanks 04:11 mdz Mithrandir: next 04:11 Mithrandir optimized-live-cd-layout-for-faster-boot: implemented, just needs to get the list to Adam (post his vacation) and merging into the kernel proper. Shaved a good 40 seconds off the live cd boot time 04:11 Keybuk (heh, and I had these answer's pre-prepared with C&P :p) 04:11 Mithrandir misc: merges, catching up after Paris, reviewed ubuntu-edgy-cluster, some SoC mentoring 04:11 Mithrandir other specs: no progress 04:11 Mithrandir next week: merges, merges, merges, hopefully get some live cd hacking in there too === Mithrandir steals Keybuk's apostrophe. 04:12 ogra Mithrandir, hey, thats mine i he only borrowed it ! 04:13 mdz Mithrandir: so on your edgy list, you have (remaining) sane-installer-keyboard, live-cd-stacked-filesystems, live-cd-write-as-you-go, livecd-sessions 04:13 Mithrandir mdz: yes, and I want to get the live-cd-share-live-cd one in too. 04:13 mdz Mithrandir: is that awaiting review? 04:13 Mithrandir yes 04:13 infinity live-cd-stacked-filesystems needs ot be assigned to both Tollef and I, somehow. :) === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:14 infinity (That won't be too much time for my end though, once he's told me how his end looks) 04:14 mdz you could create a team for it, but I think that would only confuse things 04:14 infinity Barring kernel problems on buildds or other hilarity. 04:14 mdz if the chunks are big enough, split the spec. if not, just pass it from one of you to the other 04:14 BenC "there are no kernel problems" === infinity nods. 04:14 fabbione BenC: ++ 04:15 mdz Mithrandir: ok, sounds like a good set of stuff. should be fun 04:15 mdz Mithrandir: thanks 04:15 Mithrandir I certainly hope so. 04:15 infinity BenC: Will you stand by that when I tell you that I'll be using squash and union on buildds multiple times per day without rebooting? === lukketto [n=lukketto@host36-99.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:15 mdz BenC: oops, I had your nick capitalization wrong in my list; you should have been first of course ;-) 04:15 mdz BenC: you're up 04:15 BenC go now? :) 04:15 BenC libata-for-all-ata-disks: STARTED: Alan's patch is now in the kernel. Waiting for changes to base-files, and boot loaders for upgrades before enabling modules (I'll start on boot loaders, Keybuk has said he'll do the base-files changes to update /etc/fstab) 04:15 BenC linux-kernel-crash-dump: NOT STARTED (still in review). Looks like kdump is what we will be going with. Getting the mechanics right will take the most time on implementing this. 04:15 BenC speakup-inclusion: DONE: Kernel modules are in and building on all but hppa and sparc. This is done for my part. The rest of the work is userspace (unable to update status of spec). 04:15 BenC kernel notes: 2.6.17 final is now in edgy. Linux-restricted-modules was just uploaded, and will be followed by linux-meta soon. This will make 2.6.17 the default kernel in edgy after today (let the bug reporting begin). 04:15 BenC ABAT (automated testing): x86 runs are almost ready to go. PPC64, is in the works. Regression, LTP and benchmark testing will be included in runs now. 04:16 Keybuk BenC: are the modules disabled? if we have a list, I can blacklist them so we can enable them in the kernel source and just have them disabled from user-space 04:16 BenC infinity: that's not a kernel "problem", that's the kernel being tainted :P 04:16 mdz can someone on the review team commit to giving l-k-c-d a look today? 04:16 BenC Keybuk: I'll send you a list then 04:16 mdz fabbione: would you review it? === rikai [i=rikai@pool-72-65-108-190.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lukketto [n=lukketto@host36-99.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 04:17 Mithrandir linux-kernel-crash-dump seems not to be targetted for edgy? 04:17 mdz Mithrandir: I've not been targeting specs which aren't approved yet 04:17 mdz though some were targeted before paris inadvertently 04:17 Mithrandir oh, ok 04:18 Mithrandir mdz: I can review it. 04:18 mdz Mithrandir: ok, thanks 04:18 Mithrandir (unless fabio wants to) 04:18 mdz BenC: does your workload seem like a good balance to you? you should have plenty of spare bandwidth to spend on bugs and tracking upstream 04:18 Mithrandir BenC: do you want comments on IRC or inline in the spec? Either is fine with me. 04:19 BenC mdz: Yeah, I think I'll be pretty good with specs and time for bug reporting 04:19 BenC mdz: If I fall behind on one or the other, I'll let you know 04:19 BenC Mithrandir: inline is best 04:19 Mithrandir BenC: ok 04:19 mdz BenC: thanks 04:19 mdz doko: next? 04:20 doko - this week: 04:20 doko - edgy: edgy-toolchain-roadmap: binutils update, preparing gcc-4.1 update 04:20 doko - edgy: preparing python sync/resync from unstable 04:20 doko - dapper/edgy: OOo, updating ooo-build to current 2.0.3 milestones, resyncing with debian packaging, updating ubuntu patches, fixing new build failures. (would love to have the dapper-proposed-updates staging area ready) 04:20 doko - a bit of SoC admin stuff 04:20 doko - still to do this week: finish edgy+1-toolchain-roadmap, java-roadmap, time estimations. 04:20 doko - looking at python2.5 for edgy (upstream release planned for Aug 8), idea: "support" 2.4 and 2.5 for edgy, decide in a test environment, if we can safely switch the default (which would be after UVF). 04:20 doko - next week: syncs, syncs, syncs 04:20 fabbione mdz: sorry i have a waterpipe exploded! brb 04:20 mdz doko: it looks like none of your specs are approved yet; what's holding them back? 04:20 mdz fabbione: argh! 04:20 pitti doko: with the new python infrastructure, can we easily switch the default now? 04:21 mdz fabbione: at least you were at home when it happened ;-) 04:21 sivang heh 04:21 doko mdz: didn't set the toolchain specs back to "for review". the "tracking-versions" spec was approved, but made a LP spec 04:22 doko the packaging-hints was given back from review, waiting for a second review 04:22 mdz doko: ok, the hard deadline is next week's meeting; don't wait until the last minute 04:22 mdz doko: if you are having trouble getting reviews, let me know 04:22 doko pitti: yes, but I would like to wait for the rc 04:22 doko mdz: ok 04:23 mdz doko/pitti: is ssp going to land as part of the early toolchain updates? 04:23 pitti mdz: yes, just waiting for the sparc libc problem 04:23 doko mdz: yes, we're waiting for sparc 04:23 mdz gar 04:23 pitti mdz: but the patch is there now, just needs bootstrapping AFAIK 04:23 mdz doko: let's go over your workload once your specs are finalized 04:23 infinity Doesn't need a bootstrap, per se, just a couple of normal uploads. 04:23 mdz doko: thanks 04:23 mdz fabbione is next but is dealing with a water crisis and has my sympathies 04:24 mdz heno: are you here? 04:24 doko mdz: one more thing is OOo 2.0.4 for edgy, release planned for Sep 4 ... 04:24 heno * livecd-access - Review. started working on new boot screen 04:24 heno * access.ubuntu.com - Review. first draft page ready 04:24 heno * sok: Chris Jones the SoC student responsible for it is here now (totroise_) so he might say a few words about it. I think we're ready to make an Edgy package soon though. 04:24 heno * all other specs: still drafting 04:24 heno * Next week: Help the new webmaster write a plan of action and find his way around 04:24 mdz doko: might be possible 04:24 Keybuk mdz: "a water crisis"? did somebody's waters break? 04:24 mdz Keybuk: <fabbione> mdz: sorry i have a waterpipe exploded! brb 04:24 Keybuk ah 04:25 tortoise_ Hi currenly the simple onscreen keyboard is in a working but unpolished state. It needs keyboard definitions and is missing some features. It is designed with flexibility in mind. Layout is defined in svg files which can be made in Inkscape. Keys are then mapped in a seperate .SOK xml file. 04:25 tortoise_ More info and screenshot here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Projects/SOK 04:26 Mithrandir tortoise_: it'd be really nice if it'd pick up the keyboard definitions from XKB. 04:26 mdz heno: I know that for some of your specs, someone else is intending to do the implementation. is the assignee on your specs up-to-date all around as far as what you will be implementing vs. others? 04:27 tortoise_ Mithrandir: I was planning on sriting a script to convert from the GOK definitions 04:27 infinity Mithrandir: Noting that XKB also has the (bizarre) capability to draw keyboards based on its keymaps, too. 04:27 ogra guys ! 04:27 Mithrandir infinity: yup. 04:27 heno mdz: the compi-mag one needs my other SoC student to sort out his LP acct so I can assign it to him 04:28 heno mdz: the forum one I'm not quite sure who will take charge of, otherwise they are fine 04:28 mdz heno: forum-integration? that's marked informational; if there's real work to do, that flag should be cleared 04:29 heno mdz: ok, that's fine too then 04:29 mdz informational specs won't be tracked during the weekly meetings, release milestones, etc. since it's assumed there's no real work to do 04:29 mdz ok 04:29 mdz heno: thanks 04:29 mdz I have an emailed update from Riddell 04:29 mdz done: merges for about half of KDE done, on track to get main done by 04:29 mdz end of next week. 04:29 mdz also: Proofreading Kubuntu specs. Google half term reports, don't forget if you're a mentor 04:29 mdz next week: merges 04:29 mdz specs: several still to be reviewed 04:30 mdz he has a handful of specs approved and targeted for edgy, but a bunch remaining to be reviewed. I'll go over them with him when he's back 04:30 mdz infinity: next? 04:30 infinity I'd like to apologise in advance for my distro specs being largely in unapproved states. I spent the majority of the week in Paris wrangling with the soyuz guys (which was very productive), but obviously have some distro slack to pick up as soon as I get back from VAC. 04:30 infinity larger-livefs: Approved, work not yet begun, should be trivial once seed changes happen. 04:30 infinity early-userspace: Still needs to finish drafting, nothing there should be unrealistic for edgy. 04:30 infinity livefs-build-speedups: Will draft on the internal wiki if anyone cares, otherwise it will "just happen". 04:30 infinity ubuntu-server-tasks: Still needs polish before approval, will do when I get back. 04:31 infinity various soyuz-related specs: Most of these are approved or pending approval, and work is ongoing with the soyuz folks to make them happen in the timeframes we require. 04:31 infinity last week: Monday was a complete loss, due to travel (my SIN->MEL flight was horribly delayed, and I got home in time to set up my laptop and pass out), spent the last two days mangling buildds to get the world as sane as possible before I leave. 04:31 infinity next week: VAC all week. 04:31 infinity week after next: Clean up all the above unapproved specs and get time estimates set correctly (and begin work on the more urgent ones) 04:31 mdz infinity: earnly-userspace is marked informational; is that accurate? 04:31 mdz early, even 04:31 infinity mdz: Clearly not, I didn't set that flag. I'[ll unset it. 04:31 Mithrandir infinity: week after next, I want you too, for the first milestone release. 04:31 infinity Same with ubuntu-server-tasks, for that matter. 04:31 infinity Mithrandir: You have me for that, I can multitask. :) 04:32 Mithrandir that's an early warning for everybody. First milestone release in approximately two weeks. 04:32 mdz infinity: given your holiday, there isn't much time to get your specs reviewed and approved by the deadline. you'll need to nag the review team 04:32 Keybuk note for those not reading their e-mail yet, I'm emergency-holographic-adam next week for the buildds 04:32 mdz Mithrandir: please update EdgyReleaseSchedule with the tentative date 04:32 infinity mdz: I'm good at nagging people. It's in my job description. 04:33 mdz infinity: ok, thanks 04:33 mdz iwj: next? 04:33 iwj done: package-dependency-field-breaks step 1: Made dpkg reject Breaks. 04:33 iwj doing: automated-testing-deployment: Fighting Xen again. 04:33 iwj todo: package-dependency-field-breaks: Implement Breaks properly (anyone who wants me to expedite this please let me know). 04:33 iwj todo: xen-edgy: Pick up and help out (some community work is happening on this already). Note in this context that sid's kernels now have Xen support. 04:33 iwj todo: Firefox merge. 04:33 doko Keybuk: should/can I help with the python/zope syncs/overwrites next week? 04:33 iwj soon BLOCKED: xen-edgy: will soon be wanted for automated-testing-deployment, I think; I don't want to spend too much effort on my own ad-hoc setup. 04:33 iwj Edgy specs not yet touched by me: xen-edgy (see above); suggest-packages-for-filetypes (mvo has been looking at a bit of this though - thanks). 04:33 iwj BLOCKED?: merges: Is there a way to claim merges yet ? Isn't this essential to avoid duplicated work ? 04:33 iwj REMINDER: meeting times: Please email iwj@ubuntu.com your current timezone, normal Ubuntu working times and sleep times, by 23:59:59 UTC on 2006-06-30. If you don't then we'll set the meeting schedule without the necessary information to adapt to your comfort or convenience! 04:33 Kamion for general information, the milestone CDs are hereby known as "Knot CD <N>" 04:33 ogra :) 04:33 Keybuk doko: I'm not sure I understand your question 04:34 mdz iwj: there isn't a proper way to claim merges yet, but in practice there are few of us and it hasn't been much of a problem 04:34 Kamion there have been a couple of clashes this cycle 04:34 Keybuk doko: oh, yes, sorry; I follow -- need to chat to mdz 04:34 iwj mdz: Well, I'll start on firefox tomorrow in the confident expectation no-one will have done it yet and see what people say then. 04:34 Kamion relatively few compared to the sheer number though 04:34 mdz in my response to scott on -devel I proposed that the clashes might not be worth the overhead of using malone 04:34 iwj It'll get worse as the todo list gets shorter. 04:35 infinity Two people already blew a couple of hours each on the vim merge (which is really the fault of whoever didn't merge it with the innital toolchain, as has been tradition.. :P) 04:35 mdz that's one we'll neet to discuss outside of the meeting; there's a thread on -devel 04:35 iwj mdz: OK. 04:35 mdz we have the option of using malone, or the tool that MOTU has, or doing something else 04:35 iwj I just wanted to raise it. 04:36 mdz iwj: don't forget to merge the theme stuff when updating firefox 04:36 iwj You mean the change to the default theme ? 04:36 fabbione bah 04:36 fabbione re 04:36 fabbione mdz: i think i can yes 04:36 mdz iwj: on your edgy list are automated-testing-deployment, xen-edgy, breaks and filetypes 04:36 fabbione mdz: (review the spec) 04:36 mdz fabbione: mithrandir offered already 04:36 iwj mdz: Yes. 04:36 Keybuk \o/ Braeks 04:36 fabbione mdz, Mithrandir: ok thanks 04:37 iwj Keybuk: Your speling is Broekn. 04:37 Mithrandir could we tell the person who did the merge last time that we're doing it? That should generally lead to very few clashes. 04:37 Keybuk iwj: yeah, my cymraeg showing there, sorry 04:37 mdz iwj: does that match your plans, or do you expect to finish/claim any others? 04:37 Keybuk Mithrandir: the person who did the large change is listed on the status page 04:37 iwj iwj: I expect to finish those unless something goes badly wrong. 04:37 iwj If I finish early I'll help out someone who looks desperate. 04:37 Mithrandir Keybuk: exactly, so it's easy to find out and. 04:37 mdz iwj: have you done time estimates for those? 04:38 iwj mdz: Yes, but time estimates are quite rough. 04:38 Mithrandir s/and/who/ 04:38 mdz I can't find the LP view which tells me at the moment 04:38 iwj I was reasonably generous. 04:38 iwj So it probably looks like they don't all fit. 04:38 mdz PS, for anyone looking for advice on estimates, I thought http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000245.html was pretty good 04:38 iwj The main risk is to the Xen stuff because of the dependencies. 04:39 Keybuk mdz: "take whatever value you think is appropriate, then multiply by PI" ? 04:39 BenC iwj: Has zul been in touch with you about xen? 04:39 mdz iwj: are you or mvo going to do filetypes? I'm not fussed either way really 04:39 iwj BenC: Yes. 04:39 BenC iwj: Great, hopefully he can help get that going 04:39 mdz Keybuk: LP doesn't support irrational numbers in that field 04:39 iwj mdz: We're splitting it between us; there are a couple of things he said would be much quicker for him. 04:39 mvo mdz: bits are implemented already, but bits are missing (caching for example) 04:39 iwj BenC: Quite. He sounds very keen. 04:40 Keybuk mdz: aren't all time estimates inherently irrational? </OT> 04:40 mdz har 04:40 mdz iwj: ok, thanks 04:40 jbailey iwj: I didn't look at the xen specs, but the glibc stuff isn't perfect yet. libc6-xen conflicts libc6-686 and I need to fix that. 04:40 mdz mvo: next 04:40 mvo Specs for edgy: 04:40 mvo Aprroved: 04:40 mvo - cdrom-based-dist-upgrades 04:40 mvo - dependency-removal 04:40 mvo - recommends-support 04:40 mvo - command-not-found-magic 04:40 mvo In review: 04:40 mvo - smartpm 04:40 mvo - apt-ddtp 04:40 mvo - language-selector-improvements 04:40 mvo - gai-popcon (popcon data for gnome-app-install) 04:40 mvo Drafting: 04:40 iwj jbailey: Nice. I'm not at that stage yet but that's the kind of thing we're going to trip over. 04:40 mvo - enabling-additional-components (apt-get handling for universe/multiverse packages open) 04:40 mvo Did: 04:40 mvo - spec work 04:40 mvo - gnome-app-install work (popcon integration, search result ranking, mime-search) 04:40 mvo - apt work (auto-removal branch, misc stuff) 04:40 mvo - smart work (bugs, commit-log added, looked into auto-removal) 04:40 mvo - Google Summer of code 04:40 mvo Next week: 04:40 iwj jbailey: ATM I'm doing a hideous thing with dpkg-divert to disable TLS. 04:40 mvo - get missing specs in shape 04:40 mvo - summer vacation next week (from 5 Jul - 20 Jul) 04:41 mdz mvo: the caching in g-a-i seems obvious enough not to need a spec; do you agree? 04:41 mdz mvo: we just shouldn't forget about it 04:41 jbailey iwj: Not possible in edgy, sorry. 04:41 Kamion mvo: enabling-additional-components> s/ubiquity, debian-installer/apt-setup/ 04:41 mdz oh, you've done it already 04:42 Kamion mvo: that was disabled by policy, but if mdz's happy with enabling it by default then it's trivial to do ... 04:42 mvo mdz: its not as easy as initally hoped because a simple pickle can't be used - currently g-a-i uses pyxdg to build the menu. but we will not forget 04:42 mvo Kamion: yes, mdz was in the discussion when it came up 04:42 mdz mvo: language-selector-improvements was targeted for edgy pre-paris, but is in review. is it doable for edgy given your other work? 04:42 Kamion I guess warning command-line users covers it 04:42 Kamion ok 04:43 mvo mdz: I really hope so, maybe we can find someone from the community, it shouldn't be too hard to do 04:43 mdz it seems like a lot of per-locale legwork which will be difficult to do quickly 04:43 mdz let's talk about it after 04:44 mvo ok 04:44 mdz mvo: thanks 04:44 mdz ogra: next 04:44 ogra * last-week: merged debians ltsp bzr tree, fixed all breakage and made the package work again. merged gcompris, packaged new gnome-screensaver, started lots of smaller merges 04:44 ogra * list of merges i plan to do this week: atomix, dhcp3, fuse, iptraf, kdeedu, kino, nessus-plugins, pwgen, rss-glx, tuxmath, tuxpaint, xfonts-terminus, xscreensaver (shout if you already work on something there) 04:44 ogra * next-week: finishing merges from above list, starting spec work, SoC review, sorting ltsp branches 04:44 ogra * specs: 04:44 ogra - ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration: (approved, started), thinclient-local-devices (approved, started) 04:44 ogra - student-control-panel-completion: (needs Review, started in dapper already) 04:44 ogra - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (in Review, needs DC infrastructure, elmo contacted) 04:44 ogra - ltsp-management-gui: (Braindump, beta available, need to transfer the text to the wiki, pet project of mine will do it in spare time if needed) 04:44 ogra - ltsp-convergence: (this is rather an ongoing process beyond edgy, not a real spec, will track process status via LP) 04:44 ogra - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (not a spec, rather a bugfix, will track status via LP) 04:44 ogra The other ltsp related specs are assigned to rodrigo on request === rodarvus nods 04:45 mdz ogra: which of your remaining unapproved specs are most likely to get finalized by the deadline? 04:45 ogra mdz, student-control-panel 04:46 ogra daily image tarballs as well since jammcq and sbalneav are waiting for it ... 04:46 mdz ogra: ltsp-daily-image-tarballs wasn't on the Paris list, so please target it to edgy so that it's on our radar 04:46 ogra oki 04:46 mdz it'll go on the proposed list 04:46 ogra added 04:47 mdz ltsp-netboot-enhancement is (correctly) marked obsolete 04:47 mdz ogra: ok, thanks 04:47 mdz pitti: next 04:47 pitti apt-get-debug-symbols: created pkg-create-dbgsym package with dh_strip wrapper; mostly ready and working, just fails on a few corner cases; ETA 1 day to extend the test suite for the failing cases and fix them, then upload; then the ball is in the Soyuz field (estimated 15 mandays) 04:47 pitti automated-problem-reports: played with various possibilities to save a stack frame (memory dump, shrinking core dump file) so that we can generate the bt later; not quite there yet; I'll get a nonoptimal solution working very soon, though; I hope I'll manage to get an initial working backend next week; our minimal gnome desktop frontend is easy (~ 1 day) 04:47 pitti gcc-ssp: more testing with various packages, good results; coordinated with fabbione and doko, changing gcc needs to wait for libc fix and bootstrapping on sparc; shouldn't be long any more (2 days?) 04:47 pitti automatic-printer-conf: not started, I do not have a particular urge (nor time) to aim this at edgy 04:47 pitti firewall: pinged Carsten again, he promised to report back and provide something for edgy; no progress so far 04:47 pitti gnome-mount: packaged gnome-mount 0.4 and played with it; policy GUI is not implemented yet, and handling of encrypted devices requires newer (yet unreleased) hal. However, this radically changes infrastructure and currently adds a crackful things; this is still disputed upstream, too; likely needs to be postponed; mdz, can you please remove the edgy flag? 04:47 pitti auto-unmount-notifications: not started yet; not intrusive, so I'll deal with it after I'm done with my archive-wide specs; can someone please review and approve the spec? 04:47 pitti printer-sharing: nothing done so far; either we hack gnome-cups-manager (patch is available and tested already), or we consider using RedHat's printer config tool (python, and a lot of good stuff, but requires quite large code modifications); I do not really have time to care for this right now; community effort would be appreciated, I'll talk with ivoks and Kagou 04:47 pitti general stuff done this week: 04:48 pitti - caught up with security updates after Paris 04:48 pitti - merges go full steam ahead 04:48 pitti - SoC: had some discussion meetings with student, slow progress 04:48 pitti plan for next week: 04:48 pitti - do SoC mid-term review 04:48 pitti - complete my merges 04:48 pitti - some minor security updates 04:48 pitti - catch up with bug mail (largely neglected since before Paris; I know, I'm a slacker, sorry) 04:48 mdz Keybuk: could you review auto-unmount-notifications? 04:48 pitti (sorry for the size) 04:48 fabbione pitti: my local gcc build is running the test suite as we speak.. theoretically by tomorrow everything should be sorted === pitti hugs fabbione 04:48 Kamion pitti: I don't remember anything about apt-get-debug-symbols being on the Soyuz radar for edgy when infinity and I sat down with the Soyuz guys in Paris to thrash it out 04:48 Keybuk mdz: yes, sure 04:48 mdz pitti: so your projected edgy list is apt-get-debug-symbols, automated-problem-reports, gcc-ssp, gnome-mount, auto-unmount-notifications 04:48 mdz Keybuk: thanks 04:49 pitti Kamion: hm, Adam and I had a long talk with the soyuz guys; I hope it didn't fall off completely 04:49 pitti mdz: I want to remove the edgy tag for gnome-mount, but I can't 04:49 mdz pitti: seems like it could be a lot, considering your security workload 04:49 pitti mdz: hal is currently too crackful 04:49 mdz pitti: I don't think it's possible to clear that field due to a bug 04:49 Kamion infinity: did I forget it? 04:50 pitti mdz: ssp and auto-umount-nots are easy, and I mostly did the work for debug symbols already 04:50 mdz pitti: you'll need to get a Launchpad DBA to fix it probably 04:50 pitti mdz: so I think my workload should be fine (I think I also need to care for printing stuff *shudder*) 04:50 mdz pitti: automated-problem-reports is fairly big 04:50 pitti yes 04:50 mdz pitti: have you done time estimates? 04:50 infinity Kamion: I believe that we (pitti, me, soyuz team) agreed that if it couldn't squeeze into the edgy timeframe, it would be targetter at edgy+1. 04:50 pitti mdz: yes, should all be in blueprint 04:51 Kamion ok 04:51 mdz hopefully we will find security help for you during edgy; the job posting is up now 04:51 pitti mdz: I estimate 10 days for the basic stuff we agreed on in the spec 04:51 pitti mdz: saw that, thanks *crosses fingers* 04:51 mdz pitti: ok, thanks 04:51 mdz Keybuk wanted to say a few words about MOM I believe 04:52 Keybuk I did 04:52 Keybuk just to make sure everybody knows all about it 04:52 Keybuk we have a new mom this cycle 04:52 mdz we're adopted? 04:52 Keybuk https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html === fabbione will talk later 04:52 Keybuk that's the list of outstanding merges 04:52 mdz fabbione: sorry, forgot that we skipped you 04:52 fabbione mdz: no problem.. i can go after Keybuk 04:53 Keybuk when doing a merge, you'll notice the output format is different too 04:53 Keybuk rather than the hideous ".dropped" patch and stuff 04:53 mdz (if everyone were present, we would have run out of time for sure, I expect...) 04:53 Kamion what are the colours? 04:53 pitti merges> can be agree that the default claimer is the one noted on the merges page and that we prenotify a person when we do another merge? 04:53 Keybuk you now just get a bzr-style conflict marker or .UBUNTU/.DEBIAN for binaries 04:53 Keybuk Kamion: package priority === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-238-78.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:53 Kamion oh, explains why mine are all on top 04:53 Keybuk pitti: I think that's a reasonable idea 04:53 mdz Keybuk: when does a package get removed from the outstanding list? 04:53 jbailey Keybuk: Will this be kept running through the whole cycle this time? It's nice to see what's been updated when doing bug fixing. 04:53 Keybuk mdz: the mom run after the source has been uploaded to Ubuntu 04:54 Keybuk mom is running ~6 hours 04:54 Keybuk I may move that to hourly if all goes well 04:54 Keybuk jbailey: yes! 04:54 mdz Keybuk: I mean, we should prioritize packages which haven't been merged at all yet 04:54 ogra mdz, didnt you miss rodarvus ? 04:55 Keybuk mdz: right, it's a bit tricky to "record" that ... one would have to record a merge being struck from the list ... which if a new Debian upload happened, etc. 04:55 Keybuk I am willing to discuss an implementation though 04:55 mdz ogra: I didn't have a chance to brief him so he doesn't have the usual update, but am talking ot him out of band 04:55 mdz Keybuk: I think we could fake it using dates 04:55 Keybuk any questions or problems with merges, please let me know"! 04:56 Keybuk there's one "known bug" which is sometimes a file that has .UBUNTU/.DEBIAN doesn't show up as "C*" -- but this will be obvious 04:56 Keybuk that's fixed for future merges 04:56 mdz ok === pitti still misses 3-way diffs 04:56 mdz fabbione: go 04:56 fabbione * sparc: released dapper. Working on testing a gcc fix for sparc64 to fix a FTBFS of glibc that will unleash ssp stuff for pitti and doko. 04:56 fabbione * ubuntu-edgy-cluster: Working on GFS2 userland new deps (openais) and coordinating with upstream for a release date. Addressing some 32/64/endianess problems and getting all our patches upstream to reduce the maintainance load (5/8 are up already). 04:56 fabbione * specs: ubuntu-edgy-cluster splitted and it's pending approval (Mith should have give it the review tag after mdz's give-back), sparc64-port is still drafting (i had to prioritize the toolchain stuff). Internal specs are waiting for final approval. 04:56 fabbione * last week: all of the above and done some work on dapper installer in preparation of a point release to fix install on sbus machines. 04:56 fabbione * next week: finish with gcc, complete the sparc64-port specs, libparted check on sparc for Kamion, dovecot regression from breezy to dapper, possibly merges. My wife looks like a whale and moves as such. Expect me to disappear anytime now. 04:58 mdz fabbione: good luck! 04:58 fabbione mdz: thanks 04:58 ogra yeah 04:58 mdz fabbione: mubuntu? 04:58 fabbione mdz: yes. that's internal one in your inbox 04:58 mdz ok, will have a look 04:58 sivang fabbione: Mazal Tov :-) 04:59 fabbione sivang: if that's a swear word you better run away! :P 04:59 mdz fabbione: do you think you will be able to finalize your specs before you have to go? 04:59 fabbione mdz: i want to finalize them yes.. i have no idea what mother nature decide for my wife 04:59 fabbione it's really too unpredictable to say === Florob [n=Florian@xdsl-81-173-229-222.netcologne.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 05:00 mdz fabbione: ok, let me know if you need help there 05:00 mdz and we're out of time 05:00 fabbione mdz: ok thanks 05:00 mdz anything else, ->-devel 05:00 mdz adjourned, thanks all
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