Xubuntu_2006-03-17
05:01 janimo Gloubiboulga: no news on netswitch yet 05:01 Gloubiboulga janimo, nothing new 05:01 janimo btw is it using /etc/n/interfaces or some custom config of its own? 05:02 janimo from the website it seems it aims to be like network manager 05:02 Gloubiboulga it uses its own config iirc 05:02 janimo ah, hmm it may not be good for main after all if it does not do things the debian way === jbrockmeier [n=jzb@c-67-164-187-12.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:03 janimo shall we wait for soumyadip ? 05:04 janimo let's start then 05:04 nomed janimo, we wait him to discuss localisation issues 05:04 janimo 1) panel plugins 05:04 nomed yep 05:04 Gloubiboulga we can move the 2nd item to the end if he's late imo 05:04 Gloubiboulga ok, just a quick look at those plugins 05:04 janimo the plugins not uploaded so far are those which do not seem to work 05:04 janimo for all of us 05:05 janimo weather and diskperf are in this categpry 05:05 Gloubiboulga except the clipman plugin 05:05 janimo the rest are not yet ported 05:05 janimo I uploaded clipman today :) 05:05 Gloubiboulga ok :) 05:05 janimo dii not update the wiki though 05:05 Gloubiboulga xkb is ready, I can package it quickly 05:05 nomed janimo, Gloubiboulga it's strange that weather works fine here 05:05 janimo Gloubiboulga: cool I just wanted to ask you about it 05:05 nomed was it in breezy ? 05:06 janimo nomed: yes 05:06 janimo it wass buggy though 05:06 Gloubiboulga for all the not-yet-ported plugins, the author are working on them 05:06 janimo I could not change kb layout using it 05:06 janimo Gloubiboulga: great 05:06 Gloubiboulga except lua plugin 05:06 janimo Gloubiboulga: that's irrelevamt to most users 05:06 janimo too techincal 05:06 janimo so not a priority 05:06 Gloubiboulga ok, so we can just forget it I guess 05:07 janimo right, or package it if it gets ported 05:07 Gloubiboulga yep 05:07 janimo prioroty is weather/dsikperf/xkb 05:07 janimo especially xkb for localisation 05:07 janimo screenshot plugin seems not to be a good idea as upstream said 05:07 Gloubiboulga xkb will soon be packaged :) 05:07 janimo so I may juts make it an executable 05:08 janimo Gloubiboulga: I know, I just wanted to stress that it's the most important plugin issing right now IMO 05:08 janimo Gloubiboulga: I loooked in goodies svn two days ago and saw nothing 05:08 Gloubiboulga ok 05:08 janimo so assumed xkb is no worked on 05:08 Gloubiboulga janimo, the author emailed me this morning that it's ready 05:09 janimo great 05:09 janimo anything else to add for plugins? 05:09 janimo if not 3) archiver 05:09 Gloubiboulga we should remove datetime and xfce4-toys from the archives imo === jozmak [n=mak@h66-201-246-249.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:09 janimo Gloubiboulga: datetime is replaced too? 05:09 nomed and add a meta pkge ? 05:09 janimo with toys I agree it is just not easy to remove from the arch 05:09 nomed with all the working plugins ? 05:09 janimo busy admins 05:10 Gloubiboulga janimo, datetime is not working iirc, and there are similar plugins with the panel 05:10 janimo nomed, lets' wait till it's clear which plugins make it to dapper 05:10 nomed k 05:10 janimo I add the plugins one by one to xubunt-desktop so we know explictely what is tested and deemd ok for default install 05:11 janimo Gloubiboulga: ok, there are some other xfce pkgs which need purging from the arch will need to ask for all of them in the same time 05:11 Gloubiboulga ok 05:11 janimo the old 4.2 plugins + toys 05:11 janimo old xfprint xfdesktop if they are still there, xterminal 05:12 janimo old package names which we used in hoary 05:12 janimo 3)archiver 05:12 nomed ok 05:12 nomed the devel is working actively on it during these days 05:12 nomed the release 0.4 will be just when iso support will be fixed 05:13 nomed in the mean time i asked him to use a version control 05:13 janimo you mention thunar plugin for 0.4 to in the wiki 05:13 janimo is that so? 05:13 nomed he's happy with bzr at the end 05:13 nomed yep 05:13 janimo good 05:13 janimo so will he take care of integrating the plugin? I did not look at it 05:13 nomed he'll add an --extract opt 05:13 nomed and he will work on thunar plugin then 05:13 janimo oh but we do the thunar bits right? 05:13 janimo ok 05:13 nomed then .. 05:14 nomed i think we should pkge it from bzr 05:14 nomed help him on solving issues 05:14 janimo ok 05:14 janimo I agree 05:14 nomed then 0.4 should be ready for dapper 05:14 janimo we still have to test if it is stable, does not eat data 05:14 janimo and this kind of stuff 05:14 nomed janimo, he sent me new two patches 05:14 janimo since it is a potentially destructive app 05:15 nomed now it should be mostly bug free 05:15 janimo nomed, let's wait for bzr if he promised Monday 05:15 nomed the known bugs are gone 05:15 janimo which were they btw? 05:15 nomed i'll have a gmail chat session with him 05:15 nomed i'll help him on that 05:15 nomed i'll mail you when ready 05:15 janimo ok 05:15 janimo I just noticed the png not found warnig at start 05:15 nomed janimo, adding files to an archive 05:16 nomed for the 2 3 times 05:16 nomed had some issues 05:16 nomed not anymore 05:16 Gloubiboulga janimo, netswitch author has just confirmed, he doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces 05:16 janimo hmm, it would have been better if he released now so we can test and then fix the iso handling :) 05:16 janimo Gloubiboulga: thanks 05:17 janimo hmm, I would have preferred to be an equivalent of gnome-net-setting without gnome libs instead of a whole new 05:17 nomed janimo, k i'll ask for it 05:17 janimo incompatible way :) 05:17 nomed i think a 0.3.1 or something like that should be a problem for hi 05:17 nomed m 05:17 janimo 0.3.1 is the last AFAIK 05:17 janimo 4) Dapper Look 05:17 janimo our weak point ;) 05:17 nomed hehehe 05:18 janimo it's good we have 6 more weeks 05:18 nomed the dapper-look chan is not really active 05:18 nomed anymore 05:18 janimo to wait for soemone to do the artwork :) 05:18 nomed but that guy told me he had something ready 05:18 janimo maybe even upstream releases 4.4 by then 05:18 nomed i was not on irc during the week end 05:18 nomed i hope to meet him soon 05:19 janimo but once we have ISOs I think there's going to be more contributions in this area for sure 05:19 janimo which leads us to 5) 05:19 janimo ISO images 05:19 Gloubiboulga is there something scheduled for this ? 05:19 janimo they are approved but still blocked 05:19 janimo appreved to be supported by canonical so they can go to main 05:20 nomed janimo, we should have it soon 05:20 janimo which is what I thogh was the case so far but was not apparently 05:20 nomed i think we should fix something in capser for xubuntu 05:20 nomed casper 05:20 janimo so we need the pakcages in main than they can build CD-s there are more people doing that now besides Colin Watson 05:20 janimo nomed: what? 05:20 nomed janimo, will xubuntu have even a livecd ? 05:21 janimo nomed, I sure hope so 05:21 janimo and an espresso installer 05:21 nomed it's possible we should fix something on them 05:21 nomed casper and espresso 05:21 janimo what exaclty ?do you know something specific or wondering 05:22 janimo espresso shoulf be gtk only 05:22 nomed i've seen casper has some scripts for gnome stuff .. 05:22 nomed i need to take a deeper look on that .. 05:22 nomed but there are gnome specific scripts 05:22 janimo I hope it just looks ate the livecd seed and does the right thing 05:22 nomed and maybe xfce needs some too 05:22 janimo since it works for kde I think it's not gnome dependent 05:23 janimo as soon as we start doing install cd-s I'll take a closer look to the live seeds 05:23 janimo I did not pay much attention to them 05:23 janimo only to the desktop seed 05:23 Riddell the gtk side of espresso does stuff with turning off gconf, but nothing very gnome specific 05:24 janimo Riddell: thanks 05:24 nomed i've seen it but i didn't check the code very well .. 05:24 janimo anyway since that is the livecd it may even use some small gnome bits as long as it does not install them ;) 05:25 janimo so the conclusion is flightX will be available but I cannot estimate when 05:25 nomed janimo, i was thinking on configuration stuff 05:25 janimo since it depends on when packages will be put in main 05:25 janimo nomed, yes/ 05:25 janimo ? 05:26 nomed janimo, i'll take a deeper look on that during the week end and i'll be more specific 05:26 janimo nomed, unrelated: if you like pyxfce you may want to package the bindings 05:26 janimo also the pyexo stuff 05:26 nomed janimo, yep it would be cool .. 05:26 janimo that would sit well with the whole ubuntu line ;) 05:26 nomed but maybe for dapper +1 ? 05:26 janimo nomed, sure 05:27 janimo shouildn't be hard though 05:27 janimo just a small matter of packaging ;) 05:27 nomed yep === janimo remembers some very frustrating times with such 'small matters of packaging' 05:28 nomed ehehe 05:28 janimo anything else? 05:28 Gloubiboulga :) 05:28 janimo besides 6) future meetings 05:28 nomed i having that time 05:28 nomed friday is fine for me 05:28 janimo ok I think we could have a fixed weekly schedule for future meetings 05:29 nomed i agree 05:29 Gloubiboulga yep, I agree too 05:29 janimo Friday may not be good for some people 05:29 janimo we should chose a day we have small chances to overlap with other meetings 05:29 janimo edubuntu has their every Wed 05:29 janimo any prefs regarding day/hour? 05:30 janimo what to exclude? === j_ack [n=nico@p508D90E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:30 nomed i have no problems if i know that in time 05:30 Gloubiboulga same for me 05:31 janimo even during the day? 12-16utc) ? 05:31 Gloubiboulga except tuesday 13-17 UTC and friday before 15 UTC 05:32 janimo Ok let;s have them on Wed 14 UTC 05:32 janimo an hour after edubuntu 05:32 janimo if we show up next time we can keep the same schedule from now on 05:32 nomed ok 05:32 Gloubiboulga fine with me 05:32 ogra janimo, talk to the a11y team 05:32 janimo ogra: they have fixed schdule too? 05:33 ogra they usually have theirs after ours, but no fixed schedule 05:33 janimo hmm soon ubuntu-meeting wil need a scheduler 05:33 janimo ogra, thanks for th eheadsup 05:33 ogra Seveas is working on it ;) === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:34 janimo ogra, do otrher teams have their fixed days? === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.199.109] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:34 Seveas janimo, poke the fridge team with your schedule and Ubugtu will know it 05:34 Seveas (ogra: no it's finished so I'm no longer working on it ;)) 05:34 ogra janimo, most have ... 05:34 janimo Seveas,we thought we may have a somewhat fixed schedule 05:35 nomed janimo, Gloubiboulga soumyadip is here 05:35 janimo so we dont; forget poking each week :) 05:35 nomed 2. Localisation Issues <-- 05:35 janimo soumyadip: hi, we'll talk about scim in a few minutes 05:35 ogra Seveas, nah, thats only the first step ... calendaring isnt a full scheduling solution yet ;) 05:35 Gloubiboulga hi soumyadip === srid [n=srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:35 soumyadip hi janimo Gloubiboulga === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === srid [n=srid@unaffiliated/srid] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Nirvana:] 05:37 janimo lets' try nex Wed at 14 utc and if it conflicts we postpone it to Thu 05:37 janimo soumyadip: let's talk about scim & co === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:38 soumyadip janimo, right 05:38 janimo do you have a list of packages which we need in xubuntu so they provide out of the box functionality for indic langs 05:38 janimo the one you sent to th elist is that? 05:38 soumyadip no that was for scim 05:38 soumyadip IIRC === soumyadip checking 05:38 janimo yes 05:38 janimo what else is needed 05:39 janimo I know next to 0 about this subject :( === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-244-94.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:39 soumyadip we also need the ttf-indic-fonts metapackage, that pulls in all the individual font packages 05:39 soumyadip we need to look into a couple of aspell packages 05:39 janimo what is the status of ubuntu/kubuntu re this subject 05:40 janimo is this the frentic work in progress at the l10n sprint ? 05:40 G0SUB janimo: much more than that ... 05:40 soumyadip janimo, nah, most of the packages are already in Ubuntu 05:40 soumyadip janimo, we are currently trying to fix a rendering problem on OO2 05:40 janimo GOSUB, I hope the sprint is much more than that not that we need much more than the sprinters are working on 05:41 soumyadip janimo, well we did solve a rendering issue with firefox 05:41 janimo soumyadip: OO2 does not directly concern xubuntu 05:41 soumyadip ah yes 05:41 janimo soumyadip: so we need to pick the packages which gnome/ubuntu installs for indic languiages and we;re fine? 05:41 soumyadip janimo, you asked about the frenetic work :) 05:41 soumyadip yup 05:41 janimo soumyadip: ah, ok :) 05:42 soumyadip janimo, apart form one small thing about the locales 05:42 janimo translations for xfce apps? 05:42 janimo I think we'll add language chooser 05:42 soumyadip janimo, well translations are conducted by individual language teams 05:42 soumyadip janimo, great 05:43 janimo when xubuntu packages go to main, the plan is (was) to add them to langpack-base 05:43 soumyadip janimo, since the language teams work autonomously, not all languages are translated completely 05:43 G0SUB soumyadip: is XFCE in Rosetta yet? 05:43 soumyadip G0SUB, no 05:43 janimo since they are relatively small 05:43 soumyadip janimo, ok 05:43 G0SUB better get those in then 05:43 soumyadip janimo, I started work on some translations 05:43 janimo not in rosetta bc the policy is AIUI do not put stuff in rosetta if upstream does not use rosetta 05:44 soumyadip G0SUB, that is not for me to decide 05:44 janimo and xfce is not using it 05:44 janimo soumyadip: great, are you coordinating with xfce i18n 05:45 janimo although if dapper got imported in rosetta may mean that we can use it for packages indep of upstream 05:45 janimo I am not sure 05:45 soumyadip janimo, no, I'm currently translating .po files and sending them over to Runa Bhattacharya, who is the contact for Bengali i18n 05:45 janimo soumyadip: apps in general you mean not just xfce? 05:45 soumyadip janimo, no XFCE specific 05:46 soumyadip I started work on thunar 05:46 janimo and Runa sends to xfce then? 05:46 soumyadip janimo, correct 05:46 janimo soumyadip: great 05:47 janimo so input methods, fonts , aspell and language packs well the bengali translation team is divided between India and Bangladesh, 05:47 soumyadip so importing into rosetta would be beneficial for Bengali at least as people from both countries could work collaboratively 05:47 janimo of these only input methods is trickier than the latin locales right? 05:47 soumyadip janimo, does XFCE concern itself with hunspell ? there are hunspell dictionaries too 05:47 soumyadip janimo, yup 05:48 soumyadip janimo, all of them are covered by scim-tables-additional 05:48 janimo soumyadip: they don;t have any app that uses a spell checker afaik 05:48 soumyadip janimo, ok 05:48 janimo is abiword covered? 05:48 Seveas ogra, true, but this channel is not nearly full enough to need a complete scheduler 05:48 soumyadip janimo, Indic rendering in Abiword is hopelessly broken 05:49 janimo upstream problem? 05:49 soumyadip janimo, yup 05:49 janimo So I guess OO will be used even with xubuntu? 05:49 soumyadip if the user so decides 05:49 janimo well if rendering is broken and user wants indic rendering :) 05:49 soumyadip exactly 05:50 janimo OT: how is koffice in this regard 05:51 Riddell janimo: which? 05:51 janimo indic rendering 05:51 Riddell same as all the rest of KDE 05:51 janimo meaning ? :) 05:52 Riddell I've not heard any complains apart from Kate, so I assume it works 05:52 soumyadip janimo, well I personally haven'ty tested KDE at all 05:52 janimo Riddell: why don;t you ship koffice instead of oo? 05:52 janimo soumyadip: ok, I was just curios if oo had some advantages afetr all 05:52 janimo anything else to discuss? janimo: koffice lacks a number of features, kword isn't perfectly WYSIWYG, 05:53 Riddell koffice 1.4.0 was quite unstable and their MS import filters are not as good as openoffice (except kspread) and export filters are non-existant 05:53 janimo so meeting next week Wed 14UTC 05:53 janimo Seveas, can you put it on the fridge ^ 05:53 janimo thanks 05:53 Riddell we do ship krita on the CD from koffice 05:54 janimo Riddell: thanks 05:54 soumyadip janimo, ok, I'll play around to see if there are any more issues 05:54 janimo ok thanks everyone we meet next Wed 05:54 nomed cu next Wed 05:54 nomed janimo, one question ... 05:54 Gloubiboulga cu 05:55 G0SUB Gloubiboulga: :) 05:55 janimo nomed: sure 05:55 Gloubiboulga hey G0SUB :) 05:55 Seveas janimo, I'm no fridge person, poke fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com 05:55 nomed wouldn't it be possible to have an xubuntu cd using the pkge that are already in main ? 05:55 janimo Seveas: aha I thought you were 05:56 janimo nomed: only gnome/lde are in main :) 05:56 janimo that's why we dont; have a CD yet 05:56 nomed and just for xubuntu team ? 05:56 nomed ubuntu has already released 5 cds .. 05:57 nomed i hope we'll not have too much issues on xubuntu cds :/ 05:57 janimo you mean a cd with packages in universe then? 05:57 nomed yes 05:57 janimo nomed, I hope so too 05:57 janimo but I don;t want to start building and uploading CDs myself 05:58 janimo since it needs bandwidth a lot of time 05:58 nomed i undesrtand 05:58 janimo and mostly skillz :) 05:58 janimo which I am not sure is the best time for me to start learning now 05:58 janimo especially since the CD;s should be done any day now (TM) 05:58 nomed ok 05:58 janimo but I'll ask Colin again === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 06:00 nomed so cu next Wed :) 06:00 nomed ciao
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