Xubuntu_2007-05-20
06:56 somerville32 Oh, look. My clock must be off by 5 minutes :/ -- all of my clocks, lol === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-1-75.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:00 j1mc hi all 07:00 nixternal howdy 07:00 somerville32 Hiya 07:00 earobinson hey 07:01 j1mc wow, nixternal is here, too === j1mc waves === ongardie [n=nongardi@66-100-35-21-static.dsl.oplink.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:01 nixternal sitting here at the CoDLUG meeting :) 07:01 nixternal it is nice and quiet here today 07:01 nixternal getting some hacking done 07:01 j1mc cool. 07:01 ongardie hey 07:02 j1mc hi ongardie === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:03 somerville32 Is this the first xubuntu-devel meeting for Gutsy? 07:03 j1mc somerville32: yes it is 07:04 somerville32 Awesome. I'm pumped. 07:04 j1mc me, too 07:05 j1mc according to the agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings ... we're supposed to cover: 07:05 j1mc featureset for 7.10 07:05 j1mc discussion of help center 07:05 j1mc ideas for 7.10 documentation (yeay!) 07:05 j1mc and ... whether or not to add a murrine gtk theme. 07:05 j1mc i am not married to this agenda, though. === j1mc added the "yeay!" at the end of the documentation note. === somerville32 is editing that wiki page. 07:06 j1mc np, somerville32 07:07 j1mc let us know when you're done. we'll give you a few minutes. === maxamillion [n=adam@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:09 j1mc hi maxamillion 07:09 maxamillion sorry i am late 07:10 j1mc np, cody is editing the agenda on the wiki 07:10 maxamillion good stuff 07:10 j1mc he'll let us know when he's done... 07:10 maxamillion ok 07:11 somerville32 done === grazie [n=grazie@host86-133-103-86.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:11 maxamillion grazie: !!! :) ... welcome to the meeting :) ... http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/898 07:12 j1mc ok! === maxamillion checks the newly edited agenda 07:12 grazie maxamillion: thanks...just being nosey 07:12 j1mc grazie: agenda up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 07:13 maxamillion grazie: you should participate! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 07:13 maxamillion lol === maxamillion was too slow 07:13 j1mc i'm out at free geek chicago. ping me when discussion about documentation comes up. freddy martinez and i have a lot of ideas and such. 07:14 j1mc i don't knw much about the help center. 07:14 maxamillion awesome 07:14 maxamillion wait .. the help center? 07:14 grazie maxamillion: not a slow as my new broadband(?) connection 07:14 grazie j1mc: reading through now... === somerville32 doesn't know who added that to the agenda. === j1mc did 07:15 j1mc do we want to use it? didn't we get a working draft ready for feisty? 07:15 maxamillion grazie: yeah, i am about to move into a new place in roughly 5 days and i am worried the broadband supplier there will be slow :/ 07:15 maxamillion j1mc: i think you are talking about the welcome center 07:15 somerville32 *centre 07:15 somerville32 <g> === j1mc goes to change wiki. is it still something we're interested in? 07:16 maxamillion https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty/XubuntuWelcomeCenter 07:16 maxamillion somerville32: tomato, tomato .... 07:16 somerville32 I question how useful it will be. === maxamillion thinks that applies better when he can verbally express each pronounciation 07:17 somerville32 The welcome centre is an interesting idea but it accomplish little more then documentation does. 07:17 j1mc i think so, too 07:17 ongardie it might get in the way if auto-started 07:17 maxamillion somerville32: i think it would be exponentially useful, giving first time users a quick overview of the project, and empowering them with resources they need to be aware of in order to accomplish every day tasks 07:18 somerville32 aka - our documentation :P 07:18 maxamillion ongardie: it would only auto-start on the first boot of a fresh install and has a check box to continue autostarting, but will always autostart on the liveCD 07:18 somerville32 Developing our own application is a lot of work and overheard. 07:18 maxamillion somerville32: well, yes .. that and the wiki, the forums, etc. 07:19 maxamillion somerville32: but 80% of our users never look at the documentation 07:19 ongardie i don't think the app would have to be that complex, but you'd have to get good content **and** translate it === maxamillion didn't look at the documentation until he went to work on updating it 07:19 somerville32 Then maybe we should find out how we can make the documentation more visible and useful to users? 07:20 maxamillion somerville32: put it in the welcome center :) === maxamillion really thinks the whole docbook thing is rather useless 07:20 j1mc topic-based help is more useful than what we have in place now, though. 07:20 somerville32 Maybe we should looking at removing any gnome dependencies from yelp? 07:20 ongardie maybe we can package the docs as html files and do the same thing as the welcome center, but with content we already have and through a browser that already exists 07:21 somerville32 ongardie, Thats what already happens with the documentation. 07:21 maxamillion ongardie: yeah, the docs just pop up in firefox atm 07:21 ongardie well, then we just need to make that more visible 07:21 somerville32 Firefox is rather "big". 07:21 j1mc i think that removing the gnome deps from yelp could be useful. 07:21 maxamillion somerville32: its about to get bigger 07:22 ongardie i don't see how putting the docs in a python app will improve everything 07:22 somerville32 j1mc: Thats actually what I was thinking. 07:22 somerville32 ongardie, I think what we want to accomplish is showing some kind of welcome documentation at boot. Firefox is for sure too heavy to be auto-started. 07:22 j1mc yelp looks an awful lot like the welcome center. :) 07:22 maxamillion ongardie: the welcome center was tested on a 200mhz machine with 128mb of ram, the load time was trivial and using the app was snappy === somerville32 nods @ j1mc. 07:23 ongardie i don't know about you guys, but let's be honest: I would never open the thing and i sure as hell don't want it opening itself 07:24 ongardie a launcher on the desktop that opens a "heavy" application would suffice, in my opinion 07:24 maxamillion ongardie: right, but after the first boot of a fresh installation, you can tell it to never open again 07:24 somerville32 I think adding a launcher would be a good first-step. 07:24 maxamillion lets be honest, the current wave of linux users is helpless and they need things shoved in their face before they have a clue what's going on 07:25 ongardie they are helpless when it comes to internals 07:25 ongardie i honestly believe most people can figure out the desktop apps without help === somerville32 nods. 07:25 maxamillion ongardie: i would hope so, that is all rather straight forward 07:25 somerville32 As long as we can get it all to work right out of the box :) 07:26 somerville32 Windows 98's welcome centre failed horribly. 07:26 somerville32 We should learn from it. 07:27 ongardie what about windows XP's tour? they really made a mistake having that thing run without accelerated video drivers 07:27 ongardie heh 07:27 somerville32 hehe 07:27 somerville32 I think we should ditch the welcome centre project. 07:27 somerville32 The other buntus do not have things auto-loading like that. 07:27 maxamillion anyone seen Vista's automated garbage? 07:28 maxamillion somerville32: no, but the ubuntu welcome center has been in the works for some time now 07:28 j1mc maxamillion: you mean the whole OS vista? :) 07:28 somerville32 maxamillion, And when it gets released, we can simply use that instead of developing our own. 07:28 maxamillion j1mc: heh ... no joke, i am tired of fixing that OS at work 07:28 j1mc somerville32: when what gets released? 07:28 maxamillion somerville32: and all the annoying gnome dependencies that come with ..... 07:28 maxamillion j1mc: the ubuntu welcome center 07:29 ongardie i think the welcome center effort would be better placed in 1) improving the docs, 2) making the docs easily available to new users 07:29 somerville32 It is easier to get rid of gnome dependencies then developing and maintaining our own software. 07:29 j1mc 1) would removing gnome deps from yelp be difficult? and . . . 07:29 j1mc 2) would yelp lead people to our docs? 07:29 maxamillion j1mc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWelcomeCentre 07:29 somerville32 ongardie, I concur. 07:30 ongardie yelp depends on libbeagle? wtf 07:30 maxamillion i think their idea is bloated and overbearing and will ultimately fail .... just as microsoft's ... but our idea is simple, its just some docs that answer the most commonly asked questions 07:30 maxamillion ongardie: yeah, gnome apps are cool like that 07:30 ongardie maxamillion: heh 07:30 somerville32 maxamillion, If you feel strongly about this project, you can continue to develop it, package it, and get it into Universe. It is pointless to debate this at this point when the thing isn't even ready to be included. 07:31 ongardie yelp depends on firefox? 07:31 maxamillion somerville32: agreed 07:31 maxamillion ongardie: probably just on gecko 07:31 somerville32 ongardie, Most likely for the gecko engine. 07:31 maxamillion :P 07:32 ongardie oh right. i guess they still haven't properly separated the two === j1mc is glad to reach an agreement on that. === somerville32 declares the Welcome Centre dead. 07:32 ongardie the next item on the agenda is a biggie: "7.10 Documentation roadmap" 07:32 somerville32 Woot woot! :) 07:32 j1mc w00t! 07:32 maxamillion bleh 07:32 j1mc hehe 07:32 ongardie heh 07:33 j1mc i'm excited about creating topic-based help for xubuntu. 07:33 maxamillion i can't stand writing docs, xml seems retarded to me 07:33 somerville32 Who were the individuals that were really interested in helping with documentation? 07:33 j1mc me and freddie martinez === _grazie [n=grazie@host86-133-103-86.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:33 somerville32 There was another fellow. 07:34 ongardie (i'm going to eat lunch, but i'll be back) === _grazie is now known as grazie === vinze [n=vinze@a80-126-159-235.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j1mc is not sure 07:34 vinze Here I am :D 07:34 vinze What's the current subject? 07:34 somerville32 Documentation 07:34 j1mc hi vinze ... talking aboug docs 07:35 vinze K 07:35 j1mc somerville32: perhaps it was vincent? 07:35 somerville32 Ok, there seems to be an xubuntu-doc team 07:36 j1mc who is in it? === maxamillion might be 07:36 maxamillion yup, sure am 07:37 maxamillion is there an editor i can use to exit the docs without having to traverse through xml? === maxamillion finds xml as annoying as html 07:37 somerville32 https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc 07:37 somerville32 maxamillion, Yes. 07:38 maxamillion somerville32: awesome 07:38 maxamillion what is it? 07:38 somerville32 There a few different ones. You'll need to refer to wiki docs 07:38 somerville32 As for documentation, wasn't there someone who agreed to head that up? === j1mc and freddie? 07:39 somerville32 Awesome! :) 07:39 somerville32 j1mc: Tell us what you have planned. 07:40 j1mc yes, we are excited about this. we're planning on having weekly in-person doc-hacking sessions this summer to completely update xubuntu-docs 07:40 j1mc we plan to get things in line with topic-based help 07:40 j1mc we are both part of the chicago-loco team, along with nixternal who does a ton of work for kubuntu docs === somerville32 nods. 07:41 somerville32 Any plans on updating the stylesheet? 07:41 j1mc in terms of other specifics at the moment, we don't have much. 07:41 j1mc hadn't thought to update the style sheet yet, but that would be a good idea. 07:41 j1mc perhaps use some css from the soon-to-be updated xubuntu website? 07:42 j1mc somehow? /me is not a css expert 07:42 somerville32 I would speak with TheSheep. 07:42 vinze It doesn't look too complicated 07:42 somerville32 but something more appealing would be nice. 07:42 j1mc agreed. === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:42 vinze Yeah, it's kinda... Gray === somerville32 nods sadly. 07:43 somerville32 I think it would be wise to have an xubuntu-doc meeting 07:43 j1mc somerville32: you reference "browser" in the meeting agenda. care to elaborate? 07:43 somerville32 j1mc: Same thing as in discussion about the welcome centre. === TheSheep [i=sheep@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:43 somerville32 Firefox is big and bloated. 07:44 somerville32 Having a light-weight doc browser would be useful, I think. 07:44 somerville32 Maybe work with upstream? 07:44 j1mc with xfce folks? === somerville32 nods. 07:44 somerville32 Gnome and KDE both have their own documentation browsers. 07:44 j1mc yelp is the one for gnome? === somerville32 nods. 07:45 j1mc and you think that removing the gnome deps would be too difficult, and would rather get something from upstream? === j1mc is just trying to clarify... === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:45 somerville32 j1mc: We'll have to investigate. 07:46 TheSheep somerville32: wouldn't just a web browser be enough? 07:46 somerville32 TheSheep: Thats the question. 07:46 maxamillion if we are looking at upstream, kalikiana is in the process of writing a lightweight GTK+ broswer in C using the webkit engine as opposed to gecko 07:47 TheSheep there is a number of ready ones too, even including dillo 07:47 j1mc maxamillion: thanks... where can we find info on that? 07:47 vinze Wouldn't Gecko be a safe choice in terms of website compatibility? 07:47 maxamillion don't know how far upstream it will be before a stable release results, but meh 07:47 somerville32 I think it would be good to have a chat with the ubuntu-doc team. 07:47 TheSheep vinze: but we don;t need it for websites, and the documentation would be abviously tweaked for the browser 07:47 maxamillion vinze: yes, but webkit is what the OS X safari browser runs on, its rather feature rich to be honest 07:47 vinze Oh, you want a browser especially for docs... 07:47 maxamillion oh ... === maxamillion was confused 07:48 ranf dillo is fast a lightening but tends to get ugly sometimes. 07:49 j1mc somerville32: what do you have in mind with chatting w/ the ubuntu-doc team 07:49 somerville32 I don't think installing another, lighter, web browser is a very appealing solution. 07:49 TheSheep yelp uses gtkhtml2 and it's ok 07:50 somerville32 j1mc: I think that they'd be able to help answer the questions we have. 07:50 vinze ranf, what do you mean by "getting ugly"? 07:50 j1mc ok. 07:50 somerville32 I think the question at the moment is: Is a documentation browser other then Firefox appealing? 07:50 j1mc will we still go with docbook.xml, though? we're just concerned about presentation, right? that's the only thing that seems to be up in the air... 07:51 vinze But DocBook easily exports to other formats 07:51 somerville32 We're for sure not moving away from DocBook. 07:52 j1mc i like the idea of having a separate app for documentation, if only because people open up a web browser and use it to start searching the web. === vinze agrees 07:52 vinze (with somerville32) === j1mc just wanted to clarify that portion so that we could start writing... w/o concern for the final presentation. 07:52 vinze I think you have a point j1mc but someone would need to take care of either removing gnome-deps from yelp or finding an alternative 07:53 maxamillion j1mc: i agree with you on your point about the docs opening in the browser and being ignored because people want on the net === bashelie1 [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:53 TheSheep more modern templates (using xhtml and css) would be nice 07:53 j1mc TheSheep: yes, we agreed the current look is rather gray... :( 07:53 TheSheep j1mc: I tried to make a style, but basciallly everything is hardcoded in the html === bashelier [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:54 maxamillion joy 07:55 j1mc TheSheep: yesss! hardcoded into html is ... awesome. :) 07:56 vinze </sarcasm> I hope 07:56 maxamillion awesome like a stroke 07:56 j1mc yes... sarcasm. :) 07:56 somerville32 You "compile" the docbook into html. 07:57 TheSheep somerville32: yes, we just need to use different templates 07:57 j1mc ... i'm sure that things will come up as we develop the new set of documentation, but we'll make the process as transparent as possible. 07:57 j1mc and we have good resources with nixternal and others. 07:58 j1mc i am confortable with the writing aspect, but... is there someone who would like to take on the application/presentation part? === blenderhead001 [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:58 j1mc ... would like to head that up? === maxamillion is scared to volunteer ... 07:59 j1mc is it something we could push out to the mailing list to seek help with? 07:59 j1mc ... if no one here wants to take it up now? 07:59 vinze I'm afraid there won't be many volunteers 07:59 vinze Nah 08:00 j1mc hmmm... would it be a big problem to use yelp as-is, seeing as people don't open up the docs all that often? === somerville32 is on the phone. 08:01 j1mc would the gnome deps be a big issue? === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-074-023-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:01 gpocentek yes 08:01 vinze I think most people aren't even aware of the docs 08:02 j1mc if it's going to be a big problem with getting a separate app, i say we just stick with having them in firefox for now. 08:02 vinze Yeah I guess so 08:03 j1mc maybe a nicer stylesheet will encourage people to use them. :) 08:03 vinze Yeah I hope so :D 08:03 vinze Same goes for the default homepage 08:04 j1mc ok. let's go with that for now unless someone objects. besides, our manpower could probably be put to better use in other areas that more users will appreciate. 08:05 vinze Agreed 08:05 maxamillion i am really having trouble finding anything classified as a docbook viewer other than yelp ... 08:06 maxamillion i know it would be a pain, but anything think we should poll and see if the rest of the development community feels it worth while to remove yelp's gnome libs and make a yelp-gtk package in main? 08:06 gpocentek it'll be a mess 08:06 vinze Well, we'd need someone to step up and do it anyway 08:06 gpocentek honnestly, going with firefox is IMO the best solution 08:08 maxamillion gpocentek: my only issue with that, as j1mc stated, is that if the docs pop up in firefox i think majority of people would ignore them because they now have a browser infront of them and they will proceed to google or otherwise 08:08 j1mc maxamillion: maybe we could set it up so that firefox launches a special instance w/o the navigation buttons, links toolbar, etc. ... 08:08 maxamillion j1mc: oooo, that's an idea === BuffaloSoldier [n=firdaus@ubuntu/member/BuffaloSoldier] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:08 TheSheep now we need a xul programmer instead of a C programmer 08:09 maxamillion lol 08:09 maxamillion that will be harder to find 08:09 vinze Wouldn't there be a special mode? 08:09 j1mc freddy martinez (aka Admiral_Chicago) is also on the mozilla team. i was thinking that there was a special mode or something. 08:09 j1mc i'm sure we could at least find out. 08:09 vinze Or perhaps do some "firefox --new-tab "javascript:popup" blabla 08:10 vinze Or I guess without the "--new-tab" 08:10 j1mc i'll check on that... it sounds like a good compromise if we don't need an xul developer (or whatever) 08:10 maxamillion j1mc: we could make a 'documentation' profile under firefox and have the docs open firefox with that profile using some custom settings 08:11 j1mc maxamillion: good idea. again, i'll check into it with freddy. 08:11 maxamillion okies 08:11 j1mc :) yeay! 08:11 maxamillion brb 08:11 vinze K === ranf expected more options from "firefox --help" 08:12 vinze They're not all I think 08:12 j1mc moving on to feature considerations, then? 08:12 vinze Guess so 08:13 j1mc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings (for those who joined late) 08:13 vinze The Welcome Center 08:13 j1mc ^^ our agenda 08:13 vinze O wait 08:13 vinze Sorry 08:13 vinze Murrine 08:13 j1mc did you add that to the agenda, vinze? 08:13 vinze Erm, yes, think so 08:13 vinze Mainly because we still didn't use Murrine for Feisty 08:14 j1mc ok. what are you thinking? (btw, we have ~45 minutes left in the meeting) 08:14 vinze Well... That we did use Murrine for Gutsy :P 08:14 j1mc ok. i know that jmak already had some theme ideas for gutsy, so you may want to talk with him early in the process. 08:15 vinze Well, I suppose he has ideas for themes, but they just need to be implemented 08:15 vinze I don't like his choices, but I think any Murrine-based theme is better than Clearlooks 08:16 j1mc it would be good to see what he has in mind. i think he was pushing for a murrine-based theme, but we just ran out of time last time. 08:16 vinze Ah OK 08:16 vinze Then I suppose we'll be able to make it for Gutsy 08:17 j1mc any other comments on theme stuff? i'd like to move on to stuff like network manager, games, etc. 08:17 vinze Let's move on 08:17 j1mc ok. network manager. :) gnome's one works well in xubuntu's panel, but ... there's interest in removing the gnome libs and using for xubuntu. 08:18 ongardie noooooooo! 08:18 j1mc no? 08:18 j1mc that was an emphatic no. 08:18 ongardie heh, i think network manager is buggy 08:18 j1mc somerville32 added it to the agenda ... perhaps he'd like to say what he had in mind. 08:19 j1mc somerville32: you there? or still on the phone? === somerville32 is on the phone 08:19 ongardie (http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/airconfig should be pretty cool once it's ready, though) 08:19 j1mc somerville32: what do you need a phone for. we have irc. ;-) === j1mc goes to look at link 08:20 vinze Well we *do* need WPA support ;) 08:20 vinze Was that the project from an Xfce dev? 08:20 vinze Anyway, if that's not ready yet I suppose it'll be more buggy than NM 08:21 ranf vinze, Brian Tarricone 08:21 ongardie vinze: yes, Brian Tarricone is writing airconfig 08:21 vinze K 08:21 ongardie vinze: good point. at this point, i bet it is buggier than NM 08:22 vinze How about Wifi-radar? 08:22 vinze http://wifi-radar.systemimager.org/ 08:22 vinze Though it doesn't look that user-friendly 08:22 j1mc ongardie: i like how it is an xfce project, but there isn't even a release for it yet. very bleeding edge. 08:23 Mithrandir why not just write a gtk-only, xfce NM applet? It shouldn't be that hard. 08:23 vinze ongardie thinks it's buggy 08:23 vinze I don't have that much experience 08:23 ongardie it's not the front-end that i have a problem with 08:23 j1mc ongardie: nm-applet hasn't given me any trouble. 08:23 vinze It just doesn't work for you or something? 08:24 vinze Because you could be an exception 08:24 ongardie maybe it's just me and the people i've talked to 08:24 vinze How many are they? 08:25 ongardie me, my bro, the entirety of #xfce-dev 08:25 ongardie and a couple guys from #ubuntu-houston, iirc 08:25 ongardie but i think a better idea is to search the forums for problems === vinze searches ubuntuforums 08:26 ongardie http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=hDV&q=networkmanager+problems+site%3Aubuntuforums.org&btnG=Search 08:26 nixternal someone said my name? :) 08:26 vinze Only 163 threads 08:26 Mithrandir ongardie: that seems to just be the suspend/resume problem which we now have a fix for. 08:27 j1mc nixternal: just referenced you in that you would be available to help freddie and i with docs 08:27 nixternal roger 08:27 maxamillion i think wifi-radar would be stellar if it offered some sort of wpa support 08:27 vinze wifi-radar supports wpa 08:28 maxamillion vinze: uh, it does? 08:28 vinze At least, you have a WPA option === vinze installs wifi-radar === BuffaloSoldier [n=firdaus@ubuntu/member/BuffaloSoldier] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === grazie [n=grazie@host86-133-103-86.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === earobinson [n=_@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase_ [n=cyphase@c-76-102-74-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lengau_ [n=lengau@c-68-53-53-39.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-045-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === illovae [n=illovae@unaffiliated/illovae] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jenda [n=jenda@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:29 ongardie maxamillion: see the web site, 2nd screenshot. there is something about WPA 08:29 vinze But it doesn't depend on wpasupplicant... 08:29 maxamillion vinze: right, but click on the WPA option, just asks for what will supply the wpa functionality 08:29 j1mc vinze: yeah... having to identify what driver to use for wpa isn't so good. 08:29 j1mc for the end-user, anyway. 08:30 vinze Ah, that sucks === maxamillion wonders if we could specify a WPA driver in the package of the program and then make the driver a dependency of the package 08:30 vinze You need to tell explicitly which driver you'd need 08:30 ongardie quick question: in xubuntu feisty, what tools are there? 08:30 vinze Tools? 08:30 maxamillion the advanced user who wants to use something other than a pre-select will do so if there is a pre select or not 08:30 ongardie for managing the network connections 08:30 vinze network-admin 08:31 vinze And a panel plugin 08:31 ongardie vinze: gnome's network-admin? 08:31 vinze Yeah but with gnome dependencies removed 08:31 ongardie i see 08:31 maxamillion vinze: what planel plugin? === BuffaloSoldier [n=firdaus@ubuntu/member/BuffaloSoldier] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === grazie [n=grazie@host86-133-103-86.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === earobinson [n=_@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase_ [n=cyphase@c-76-102-74-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lengau_ [n=lengau@c-68-53-53-39.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-045-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === illovae [n=illovae@unaffiliated/illovae] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jenda [n=jenda@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:32 ongardie maxamillion: will one driver work for everyone? 08:32 vinze "Network Monitor" 08:32 vinze maxamillion, but that's just seeing if it's active 08:32 ongardie vinze: "Network Monitor" doesn't let you configure anything though 08:32 ongardie right 08:32 vinze No no configuration 08:32 j1mc i like the idea of using airconfig, but don't think it's ready. in it's absence, i think it would be best to use nm-applet, and see if someone can remove the gnome-deps. 08:32 maxamillion ongardie: probably not, but we could pre-select the best supported 08:33 maxamillion ongardie: and then make a reference to alternatives in the docs 08:33 j1mc someone == jani :) ?? 08:33 vinze maxamillion, best supported, wouldn't that mean "works for about 10%"? 08:33 vinze I think once Gutsy there we'll still be using network-admin... ;-) 08:34 j1mc i think it would be worthwhile for us to install airconfig onto our test systems, and report bugs up through the xfce-bugzilla, too. 08:34 maxamillion vinze: not entirely .... a wpa driver to my knowledge is just software and shouldn't matter what wifi card people have 08:34 vinze maxamillion, ah, OK 08:34 maxamillion j1mc: i will work on that with my laptop from work ... hopefully we can help along the airconfig project to be stable asap 08:35 j1mc cool, maxamillion. i'll do the same. === vinze too 08:35 ongardie we certainly can't depend on airconfig stabilizing and being perfect before gutsy, though 08:35 vinze No I don't think so too 08:35 j1mc i think that nm-applet probably our second-best optiont, though. 08:36 maxamillion ongardie: no, of course not ... this is more of an upstream goal 08:36 vinze And if someone's to remove gnome deps from NM anyway, I guess it'd be a waste to switch to an alternative for Gutsy+1 08:36 ongardie so, realistically then, will it be network-admin, NetworkManager, or wifi-radar for gutsy? 08:36 maxamillion j1mc: but nm-applet is bloated and i think we would get a substantial amount of negative feedback because of its resource intensive nature 08:37 vinze Yeah and it'd be a lot of work, so I guess network-admin 08:37 maxamillion ongardie: more likely than not, yes .... they really seem to be the most capable alternatives 08:37 j1mc maxamillion: maybe, but how many people are connecting via wireless w/ a PII laptop? 08:37 ongardie i do know of someone that was working on an xfce panel plugin that would be a front-end to NetworkManager 08:37 vinze That'd be cool 08:37 ongardie but the xfce devs discouraged him because they all hate networkmanager 08:37 ongardie lol 08:37 j1mc i say we table this for now and continue it on the mailing list... 08:37 maxamillion j1mc: just because they aren't connecting wireless doesn't mean nm-applet isn't running on thier system and eating resources 08:38 maxamillion ok 08:38 vinze So... On to games? 08:38 maxamillion i assume so 08:38 j1mc we have 20 minutes left... :) 08:38 maxamillion pySol has my vote! === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:39 vinze https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty/xubuntu-gaming 08:39 vinze I don't really like that "Shooters" list ;) 08:39 vinze Shipping Nexuiz just doesn't sound like a good idea :P 08:40 maxamillion vinze: no no, these were just ideas thrown out on the mailing list === somerville32 is back. 08:40 maxamillion wb somerville32 08:40 vinze Hey Cody 08:40 ongardie is the idea to create something like gnome-games? 08:41 maxamillion i think Xjump, pySol, SuperTux, and FrozenBubble would make a solid game set 08:41 maxamillion ongardie: no, i think its just to include a set of games for xubuntu users to enjoy 08:41 vinze I think we should go for some Puzzle, Arcade and Board/Card games 08:41 maxamillion ongardie: just make a meta package called "xubuntu-games" that will pull the agreed upon set of games 08:41 ongardie maxamillion: unfortunately, supertux-data is 53 megs 08:42 vinze Too bad 08:42 vinze Supertux is cool 08:42 ongardie yeah, i like supertux too :( 08:42 Burgundavia I would stick with non-fullscreen stuff, from a marketing and branding perspective 08:42 vinze Agreef 08:42 vinze *Agreed 08:42 TheSheep I don't really think the xubuntu's target audience would need games other than the ones they install themselves... 08:42 maxamillion ongardie: ah, didn't know that 08:43 vinze Who's Xubuntu's target audience? 08:43 TheSheep vinze: they guys that come to #xubuntu :) 08:43 TheSheep and gals 08:43 maxamillion TheSheep: i think something like pySol would be nice though .... everyone needs a little solitare :) 08:43 vinze TheSheep, Oh, no wonder there's no Xubuntu option at ShipIt... :P 08:44 TheSheep vinze: yes 08:44 vinze maxamillion, I think so too 08:44 vinze I recall aisleriot was cool, had loads of card games :P 08:44 vinze But just Solitaire'll do too 08:44 j1mc would a meta-package that is not included in the default install work? === ongardie points out that pysol looks ugly === vinze checks 08:45 ongardie gtk 1.x? 08:45 maxamillion j1mc: it would be included into the install === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Exit,] 08:45 maxamillion ongardie: i believe so, yes ... :/ 08:45 vinze Then I don't think it's an option... 08:46 maxamillion fair enough === vinze can't install airdonfig 08:46 vinze checking for X... no 08:46 vinze configure: error: X Window system libraries and header files are required 08:46 ongardie (the latest version of pysol is from 2003) 08:46 vinze O wait... 08:47 maxamillion heh ... we could always throw in gtetrinet :P 08:47 vinze http://linuxappfinder.com/games/cards 08:47 j1mc if it's ok... maybe we could set up a wiki page like we did with artwork, where people could list the details of each game they'd like to be included, and we could vote. 08:47 j1mc it's a low priority, imho 08:47 ongardie j1mc: that sounds like a good plan to me 08:47 vinze +1 08:47 maxamillion k 08:48 j1mc maxamillion: would you like to do that? 08:48 j1mc or, would someone else like to set it up, at least the initial stuff? 08:49 maxamillion it just seems like everytime we try to organize people around the idea of the games topic it ends in chaos and cody and i sort through the remains (which is where the current wiki page came from) 08:49 j1mc oh, sorry maxamillion ... 08:49 j1mc guess i didn't see/consider the current games spec wiki 08:49 somerville32 Jani made a comment on the lp spec page. 08:50 vinze *5 minutes for notification-daemon and smb* 08:50 vinze But who would be removing gnome-games' gnome-deps? 08:51 maxamillion i dunno ... the whole games idea might just deserve to be trashed, i think we should focus more on smb support and not bother with games .... we don't want to spread our already limited resources (in terms of man-power) too thin 08:51 somerville32 vinze: I would be interested in doing that 08:51 vinze somerville32, that'd be really awesome 08:51 vinze Doesn't that solve our problem? === somerville32 nods. 08:51 ongardie what's the notification daemon idea? 08:52 vinze To include it? === somerville32 nods. 08:52 vinze Who added it? === somerville32 raises his hand. 08:52 gpocentek notification-daemon is already a dep of xubuntu-desktop 08:52 vinze Is it? 08:52 mr_pouit ^^ 08:52 vinze It wasn't installed for me 08:52 vinze But I went with a Herd 08:53 ongardie gpocentek: it's under Recommends, actually 08:53 somerville32 gpocentek, So you can use libnotify and what not to get those pop-ups? 08:53 gpocentek ongardie: yes, but installed with a fresh install 08:53 TheSheep there is also the xfce-notification-daemon 08:53 TheSheep which doesn;t depend on gconf 08:53 ongardie TheSheep: is it packaged? 08:53 gpocentek we use gconf anyway, and don't want duplication 08:54 vinze I think we should go with the original one 08:54 vinze As Jani said, the deps are few and it's already packaged and maintained 08:54 TheSheep vinze: otiginal gnome or original xfce? ;) 08:54 vinze TheSheep, gnome 08:55 vinze So will it be moved to "Depends" for Gutsy? 08:55 maxamillion nothing like an xfce based distro sticking with gnome alternatives when a xfce solution exists .... 08:55 vinze Well, if it's not packages 08:55 ongardie i'd like to see notification-daemon-xfce at least packaged 08:55 vinze And if we already use the gnome deps it has 08:55 gpocentek ongardie: go ahead, package it 08:56 maxamillion ongardie: we will get together later about that, i might package it sometime this week 08:56 TheSheep I think it's not packaged because it din't compile at some point with recent tools 08:56 ongardie gpocentek: i'd be happy to package that (and the places plugin) 08:56 gpocentek places-plugin is in NEW already 08:56 mr_pouit places-lugin is already in new 08:56 mr_pouit *g* 08:56 ongardie gpocentek: i just don't know how 08:56 ongardie what's NEW? 08:56 gpocentek mr_pouit: you're really slow tonight :p 08:56 maxamillion ongardie: isn't the places plugin auto-packaged in the xfce-goodies package now? 08:57 ongardie maxamillion: isn't xfce-goodies just a metapackage? 08:57 vinze What's the places plugin? 08:57 ongardie vinze: like gnome's places menu. i'm the author 08:57 maxamillion ongardie: uhmmm.... actually, it might be now that you mention it 08:57 vinze Nice === somerville32 hates the phone. 08:57 vinze :P 08:58 TheSheep ongardie: I love you! 08:58 ongardie TheSheep: haha, <3 08:58 j1mc 2 minutes to discuss smb shares. no problem :) 08:58 vinze Where do I get it? 08:58 ongardie vinze: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-places-plugin 08:59 maxamillion ongardie: yeah, appears to be a meta package === TheSheep drools 08:59 ongardie do we really just have 2 minutes left? 08:59 maxamillion j1mc: we have all day in xubuntu-devel :) 08:59 j1mc maxamillion: right. :) 08:59 vinze ongardie, is it packaged somewhere? 08:59 ongardie vinze: gpocentek just said it is in NEW, but i don't know what that means 08:59 vinze Me neither 09:00 ongardie should we move the meeting #xubuntu-devel? 09:00 maxamillion yes, i believe so 09:00 ongardie will anyone be using this channel anyway? 09:00 vinze Who keeps the logs? 09:00 gpocentek ongardie: packaged and waiting to be approved by an archive admin 09:00 mr_pouit in new = needs to be approved by an archive admin 09:00 ongardie mr_pouit: ty 09:00 ongardie gpocentek: ty too, heh 09:00 gpocentek :) 09:01 vinze Is there noone keeping the logs? 09:01 ongardie i think we have 2 days until there's another meeting in here. we're probably OK to stay 09:01 somerville32 We can continue to chat here if there isn't a meeting scheduled. 09:01 vinze O OK 09:01 vinze Let's stay 09:02 ongardie vinze: (i log everything personally) 09:02 vinze Have we agreed on something concerning notification daemon? 09:02 vinze ongardie, OK 09:02 ongardie maxamillion: so you're willing to help me with packaging notification-daemon-xfce? 09:03 vinze I'm still planning on learning packaging, is there any app that has priority that I could get my hands on? 09:03 somerville32 Everything is important :] 09:04 vinze Random suggestion? === somerville32 is still on the stupid phone. 09:04 maxamillion ongardie: sure 09:04 ongardie maxamillion: ok, then how can we get it in the repos? 09:04 maxamillion ongardie: we will have to ask for a sponsor to post it, i will contact jani about that because i think it needs to be in main and only core-devs have access to main 09:05 ongardie k 09:05 ongardie moving on? 09:05 vinze Think so 09:05 vinze Network Shares 09:05 gpocentek xfce-n-d won't get into main IMO 09:05 gpocentek there's no reason to have it along with n-d 09:06 ongardie why would it need to go in main? 09:07 gpocentek to be part of xubuntu-desktop it needs to be in main 09:07 ongardie oh, that's not necessarily my goal 09:07 ongardie i just think it should be packaged 09:07 maxamillion ongardie: its not? 09:07 maxamillion ongardie: oh... 09:07 gpocentek ok :) 09:07 gpocentek /me away, see you 09:07 vinze What's the reason you want xfce-n-d? 09:07 vinze Bye 09:08 ongardie vinze: because 1) someone took the time to write it, and 2) maybe it'll respect xfwm4's margins 09:08 vinze Doesn't the normal n-d do that? 09:09 maxamillion ongardie: why not attempt to get it into xubuntu-desktop though? ... if we are going to go through the trouble of packaging it, why not try and make sure someone actually uses it? === vinze was wondering too 09:09 ongardie maxamillion: i've never even used it, i can't argue for that now 09:09 ongardie vinze: shrug 09:09 maxamillion ahhhh, makes sense 09:09 maxamillion can't endorse something blindly, i can understand that === vinze is going 09:10 maxamillion ongardie: well, we can package it and use it and see if it would be worth our time 09:10 vinze Laters 09:10 maxamillion laters vinze 09:10 ongardie maybe i'm underestimating how hard it'll be to package it, though 09:11 maxamillion ongardie: packaging isn't generally hard, just time consuming ... but i am not familiar with xfce-n-d so we will have to look into it further, it might end up being a pain 09:11 TheSheep ongardie: last time I looked it required patching of the makefile 09:11 maxamillion ah yes ... possible pain 09:11 TheSheep maxamillion: it's similar to n-d, really, only has the xfce-like settings dialog and looks a little more square 09:12 TheSheep maxamillion: the n-d requires you to mess with gconf to configure it 09:12 maxamillion gconf fails at life 09:12 ongardie haha 09:12 j1mc hehe 09:12 TheSheep maxamillion: and makes gconf run in the background 09:12 maxamillion reminds me too much of ms windows registry 09:12 j1mc maxamillion: yeah... 09:13 maxamillion ok, on the smb 09:13 maxamillion on to* 09:13 TheSheep if you don't run gaim and n-d, you don't need gconf running in xubuntu, as of today === j1mc unplugs somerville32's phone. 09:13 maxamillion lol 09:14 somerville32 j1mc: Cell phone :( 09:14 somerville32 And he has been talking to me for over an hour 09:14 maxamillion TheSheep: interesting .... if i could only get my jabber portal to work right i could ditch gaim/pidgin all together === somerville32 snores. === j1mc removes somerville32's sim card 09:14 j1mc and battery 09:14 maxamillion :P 09:14 somerville32 lol 09:14 ongardie really onto SMB? 09:14 somerville32 k === maxamillion hopes so 09:15 ongardie what's the idea with SMB? 09:15 somerville32 We need a browser :] 09:15 TheSheep fuse? 09:15 ongardie the #xfce-dev guys seem to think fuse is the right idea 09:15 TheSheep why not just mount a fusesmb directory in media by default? 09:15 maxamillion i would actually like to write a smb plugin for thunar, but i don't think that is going to be something to just be thrown together for the release ... i think it will take some planning 09:16 ongardie TheSheep: what can you do with a fusesmb directory? 09:16 maxamillion TheSheep: not a bad idea, and just have the directory populated as smb shares are browsed? === blenderhead001 [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:17 ongardie "It works like smbfs, but instead of accessing one share at a time, all computers and workgroups are accessible at once from a single filesystem mount, making network browsing just as easy as it is on Windows." 09:17 j1mc i wish i had it in front of me, but i know that there were other options other than fusesmb that were mentioned during ubuntu open week. 09:17 ongardie has anyone here used fusesmb? 09:17 maxamillion i have === j1mc has 09:18 maxamillion it wasn't entirely a plesant experience === j1mc agrees 09:18 ongardie what was the issue? 09:18 maxamillion but i think we could remedy that with a front end or otherwise 09:18 maxamillion ongardie: just not very user friendly 09:19 j1mc also, it may have been how i configured samba, but accessing password protected smb shares wasn't possible through fusesmb. 09:19 ongardie i wonder why fusesmb hasn't had a release for the last year 09:19 maxamillion j1mc: that was the issue i was having as well 09:19 j1mc i'm not a total expert, so don't take that as law or anything, though. 09:20 maxamillion j1mc: i could access the smb share i made on a spare machine in the office to test it, but i couldn't access the password protected share on the production server 09:20 maxamillion ongardie: that'a good question 09:21 j1mc what about gvfs? 09:21 j1mc don't know much about it, but it was mentioned during ubuntu open week. 09:22 ongardie is SMB really the only issue? maybe we should go one step higher and have a front-end to manage any fuse filesystem? 09:22 j1mc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekfeisty/xubuntu (search for gvfs) 09:42 maxamillion ongardie: it could be an interesting project === j1mc wonders how somerville32 is able to talk on his cell phone when it has no battery or sim card. 09:42 ongardie would gvfs require applications to do anything? 09:42 TheSheep ongardie: isn't it just an alternative to gnome-vfs 09:42 ongardie TheSheep: this is the first i've heard of it, i'm reading a bit now 09:42 maxamillion TheSheep: i think it is going to replace gnome-vfs ... it appears it was a topic of conversation at a recent gnome-con 09:42 ongardie but if we need to modify all applications, there's no f'in way 09:42 j1mc ongardie: hehe 09:42 ongardie (and then there's openoffice, etc) 09:42 j1mc i don't know much about it, either. 09:42 maxamillion TheSheep: errr... actually, it will be talked about at guadec in 3 weeks 09:42 maxamillion TheSheep: http://guadec.org/node/520 09:42 j1mc it got mentioned by at least two people during ubuntu open week - even in refernce to xubuntu, so it would be worth researching. 09:42 maxamillion it appears there would be needed modification per application, at least that is the impression i am getting from it all 09:42 j1mc http://www.nabble.com/gnomevfs-homepage-t3248187.html hehe 09:42 j1mc "and noticed that 09:42 j1mc gnomevfs has no homepage. I belive it should have atleas a simple one..." 09:42 maxamillion lol 09:42 ongardie what i like about fuse: 1) i'm assuming it's stable by now, 2) the apps don't need to know about it, 3) FUSE works with tons of "filesystems" 09:42 TheSheep it would be nice to have a simple program or panel plugin that would take an url and mount it as apropriate fuse filesystem :) 09:42 mjg59 The model is that gvfs will functionally replace gnome-vfs and continue to support functionality that's difficult with pure posix (like async i/o). There'll be a fuse module layered on top of it in order to allow non-gvfs aware applications to use the same filenames. 09:42 TheSheep maxamillion: so it's fuse anyways 09:42 j1mc pyneighborhood? 09:42 j1mc mjg59: thanks... 09:42 TheSheep j1mc: ah, right 09:42 mjg59 The problem with purely using fuse is that you have difficulty dealing with certain filesystem types (like network filesystems) 09:42 ongardie mjg59: wasn't fuse largely designed for network filesystems? 09:42 mjg59 ongardie: Yes, it's fine from the filesystem perspective, but it's difficult from a usable application perspective 09:42 TheSheep ongardie: but the apps will not know it's a network filesystem, and, for example, generate thumbnails for moves 09:42 TheSheep movies 09:42 TheSheep ongardie: which isn't such a good idea imho... === somerville32 tries to focus as he listens to this person he doesn't even know ramble on about his life story and all his problems. :( 09:42 ongardie TheSheep: perhaps we can modify Thunar to not do that === TheSheep rolls eyes 09:42 mjg59 You don't want an application to block just because you're having to suck this file in from the network 09:42 TheSheep somerville32: put the phone in a fish tank :) 09:42 mjg59 So you need some way of doing async i/o 09:42 ongardie mjg59: i'll have to read more about that 09:42 ongardie in any case, gvfs doesn't sound like its ready 09:42 j1mc all, i have to go... :( 09:42 ranf bye j1mc 09:42 maxamillion laters j1mc 09:42 j1mc thanks for all of your help. i'll be in touch soon. === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-70-236-118-134.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 09:42 ongardie j1mc: peace 09:42 ongardie doh! 09:42 maxamillion i think the real question is, do we really want to put together a large scale development project using fuse if in the end it has i/o issues anyways and becomes un-usable? === somerville32 is now free. 09:42 ongardie maxamillion: no, i wouldn't think so 09:42 TheSheep maxamillion: large scale? 09:42 ongardie maxamillion: the project could be fairly contained, but I/O issues would be a showstopper 09:42 TheSheep we need a networked filesystem with discovery, it doesn't have to be samba, but people come and ask "how do I open network?" 09:42 TheSheep it could as well be zeroconf+scp :) 09:42 maxamillion TheSheep: well ... i would think making something capable of mounting many different filesystems would be dificult, but then again i am not entirely familiar with all of fuse's capabilities 09:42 TheSheep there is an avahi browser 09:42 TheSheep maxamillion: fuse gives you a standard interface to all of them, basically 09:42 maxamillion TheSheep: oh ... ok 09:42 maxamillion TheSheep: yeah, then i guess that wouldn't be too terribly hard 09:42 maxamillion TheSheep: are you familiar with the "mount devices" plugin for xfce? 09:42 ongardie maxamillion: doesn't it require you modify /etc/fstab? === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-meeting.log === maxamillion would prefer a thunar plugin but can't find docs on the API (ongardie/#ubuntu-meeting) i think we're probably capable of writing a FUSE front-end. as maxamillion was saying, though, it wouldn't be worth it if there are I/O issues 09:47 ongardie maxamillion: i wonder if thunar plugins use thunarx: http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.4/api/thunarx/ 09:47 maxamillion yeah ... i think we would need to first look into if the i/o issues would really create a problem and if so, is there any way to get around the problems 09:47 TheSheep ongardie: once gvfs is in place, we can just replace it 09:47 maxamillion ongardie: hmmm... 09:47 maxamillion TheSheep: true 09:47 TheSheep on still use fuse+gvfs for the other applications 09:48 maxamillion brb 09:48 ongardie this is starting to sound like a plan 09:49 ongardie maxamillion: yes, at least the media tags plugin uses thunarx 09:50 ongardie mjg59: do you know of any pages with information about the async I/O stuff? === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:52 mjg59 http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/gnome-vfs/gnome-vfs-gnome-vfs-module-callback.html covers the API 09:54 ongardie mjg59: that's not quite what i was looking for. i meant conceptually 09:54 maxamillion ongardie: this really sounds like something i would be interested in helping with development if it is decided to be done, but for now i need to go ... i will probably be back later 09:54 ongardie we're losing a lot of people 09:54 maxamillion :( 09:54 maxamillion well ... we are an hour past the meeting time 09:54 ongardie should we just continue this on the mailing list? 09:54 maxamillion probably should 09:54 mjg59 ongardie: I'm not really sure what you mean 09:55 maxamillion i need to go, have to go take care of some stuff ... i am about to move in 5 days 09:55 maxamillion laters 09:56 ongardie mjg59: "You don't want an application to block just because you're having to suck this file in from the network" 09:56 ongardie with async I/O, would the app instead show a progress bar? 09:56 mjg59 ongardie: For instance 09:59 ongardie mjg59: is it a problem even with small files? 09:59 mjg59 It really depends on the nature of the application and the filesystem 10:00 ongardie i see 10:02 somerville32 Interesting. 10:02 ongardie i don't know who is left here, but shall we conclude? 10:03 ongardie somerville32: yes? 10:03 somerville32 What is the consensus? 10:03 TheSheep um... 10:03 ongardie to continue the discussion on the mailing list, i think 10:04 ongardie i'd like to actually use FUSE for a while to get a feel for the issues mjg59 was referring to 10:04 ongardie but between maxamillion and i (and did i see some interest from TheSheep?), we might want to write a FUSE front-end 10:05 ongardie (and i think it'd be quite welcome in the xfce goodies) 10:06 ongardie is this the end? 10:07 TheSheep somerville32: ? 10:07 somerville32 This is only the beginning, my friends ;] 10:07 ongardie heh 10:07 ongardie peace 10:07 TheSheep somerville32: comrades 10:07 somerville32 Yes.
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