{{{ Started logging meeting in #ubuntu-meeting [13:02:23] * micahg forgot the meeting was in here :-/ [13:02:40] heh, and I did send a reminder, too [13:03:09] [TOPIC] Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [13:03:23] Hi [13:03:24] I don't plan on copying all of it right now [13:03:31] hello, cody-somerville [13:03:43] I see Book_em_Dano too, back there [13:03:51] wassup [13:04:02] hi guys, sorry i'm a bit late [13:04:15] For those who don't know it yet, Book_em_Dano is working on updating the documentation for Xubunt! [13:04:39] trying to do the best I can [13:04:49] Hello, beardygnome. You're right on time [13:05:03] [TOPIC] Old business [13:05:24] I did email the developer of LightDM, and got a nice response. [13:05:53] He believes it should be ready in time for Natty release, but we have no dates yet on when we can actually try it [13:06:17] One note on that, it worked when GDM failed the last 24 hours [13:06:39] any questions on LightDM? [13:07:17] [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads [13:07:39] (hey all! i'm not really actively here, but trying to follow) [13:07:42] [TOPIC] Packaging & Development - mr_pouit [13:07:46] Go ahead, sir [13:07:55] eh, ok [13:08:09] so, the usual link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Natty/Xfce4.8 [13:08:16] and for 4.8, the progress this week: [13:08:21] * legacy: Uploaded thunar-vfs 1.1.1. [13:08:21] * core: Uploaded remaining packages from 4.8~pre1, and all packages from 4.8~pre2. [13:08:24] * panel-plugins: ~25 rebuilt, ~17 to go. [13:09:08] dailies are still broken because all panel plugins are not rebuilt yet. [13:09:24] No other breaking news. :P [13:09:27] w00t! gaining rapidly on Natty... [13:09:46] mr_pouit: would it help if I grabbed a few of those panel plugins and rebuilt this weekend? [13:10:01] GDM was fixed today by the Ubuntu team. logins are working again for Natty [13:10:30] micahg: yep, sure (although I said incorrectly "rebuild", because the remaining ones need more work) [13:10:53] oh, hmm [13:11:17] Any questions for on Packaging and Development ? [13:11:25] micahg: don't let that stop you! [13:11:34] you can do it [13:11:49] mr_pouit: can I just grab and fix then? Do I need to coordinate w/Debian? [13:12:06] I guess we can chat about this after the meeting [13:12:33] micahg: yep, let's discuss about that after, so the meeting doesn't last too long :p [13:12:52] [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing [13:13:51] We are going to invalidate a bunch of bugs with Xfce4.7/8 coming in. Since almost all of the panel code was re-written, those bugs will that still exist will need to be filed as new bugs [13:15:10] Stack traces will need to be supplied, and in natty, apport will not work for us, last I heard. Which is okay, since we usually have to run gdb backtraces anyway [13:16:02] mmh, apport won't work? [13:16:10] I still do not have any powerpc testers. I did send out an email to the users mailing list asking for some. [13:16:39] correct, mr_pouit. it's up in the air right now as to whether or not we will be able to use it [13:16:49] charlie-tca: just a note that bugs should be checked as to whether or not they are SRUable before invalidating [13:16:53] It has been ported to gtk3 [13:17:19] charlie-tca: I think the decision was not to port major infrastructure to gtk3 [13:17:24] micahg: they will be, but most of xfce4.7 will not be backported due to the dependencies [13:17:34] apport already been done [13:17:59] charlie-tca: no, I understand that, but we should be careful to make sure that any bug that's SRU worthy not be closed as the other releases are still supported [13:18:16] we will check that as part of the process. [13:18:39] charlie-tca: also, re: apport, they might be reversing that soon [13:18:56] That's why I said "up in the air" at this point. [13:19:19] anything else on bugs and testing? [13:19:47] [TOPIC] Website & Marketing [13:20:22] ochosi has done a lot of work on greybird and faenza-xfce icons [13:21:12] Please take a look at them if you have time, and give some feedback. [13:21:19] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty [13:21:32] has the how to do it information at this time [13:21:54] I am running Natty with greybird and the faenza-xfce icons, and it great! [13:22:25] the wallpaper specs are at [13:22:31] [LINK} https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper [13:22:44] I said a while back that I'd try to touch base with current website folks to get that rolling, but I never made time for that, apologies [13:23:16] pleia2: ??? [13:23:59] charlie-tca: xubuntu.org is still using our old logo and everything, I had offered to try to get the site changed but haven't yet [13:24:15] Oh! Thank you very much [13:25:00] For those wanting to find the logo and icons, they are now on [13:25:05] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork [13:25:26] so you don't have to dig for them. knome did a great job sprucing them up, too [13:26:20] artwork - the team wants to know if March 17 is a good cutoff date for submissions. The freeze is March 24 [13:27:42] Will that give us enough time to select wallpaper, have it fixed as we want, and get in into packaging? [13:28:24] who will be making the selection? [13:28:39] That's a good question. [13:29:20] I would hope those who are contributing to Xubuntu. We can vote in the meeting here. [13:29:50] then maybe we need a little longer? [13:30:41] Okay, anyone have an idea how long we need here? [13:31:30] march 17 and 24 are both thursdays, so we would need a separate meeting to vote on the submissions [13:31:37] We will have a meeting on the 10th and 17th with this schedule [13:32:15] or, we can do the voting through the mailing list... [13:32:36] how about we set the cuttoff at march 14 or 15, then vote on march 17? [13:32:41] at the meeting [13:33:08] I like that idea. [13:33:19] Anyone else? [13:33:22] +1 [13:33:37] that gives the contributor almost a week to fix it before the freeze, if it needs fixing [13:34:05] [VOTE] wallpaper should be ready by March 14, so we can vote on the choice on March 17. Please vote [13:34:19] +1 [13:34:23] +1 [13:34:27] who has a vote? [13:34:38] All in attendance [13:34:42] +1 [13:34:44] +1 [13:35:31] Any other votes? closing soon [13:35:45] [ENDVOTE] [13:36:15] With 4 votes, I will notify the artwork group that we need to set the date March 14 to close submissions [13:36:31] Any other discussion on Artwork? [13:36:49] [TOPIC] Documentation [13:37:06] I will let Book_em_Dano update us on this one, please [13:37:21] :-) [13:37:41] * charlie-tca struggled with it long enough in the dark, now [13:37:48] Well, I've been making updates to the Natty branch and most of those changes can be applied to maverick [13:38:26] I'm also reviewing the docs for lucid so that updated docs are available for updates soon [13:38:43] Great! Are we really going to be up-to-date for Natty, then? [13:39:09] I'm very confident that we will [13:39:47] Thank you for doing that work! It will be really great to have that done [13:39:53] I'd appreciate some extra eyes to look over the changes I've made [13:40:00] whenever possible [13:40:04] How do we do that? [13:40:28] * charlie-tca looked in Natty, but of course, the changes are not there yet [13:40:36] pull down the latest branch from bzr [13:41:09] Okay, and do we let you know directly what we find? [13:41:38] yeah just file a bug or send me an email [13:42:24] Book_em_Dano: I'm new to this, so is there somewhere that details how to "pull down the latest branch from bzr"? [13:42:28] [ACTION] As many people as possible need to review the latest docs in bzr [13:42:46] just a moment [13:43:43] [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository [13:44:15] lp:xubuntu-docs is the lastest branch of the documentation [13:44:40] thanks Book_em_Dano [13:44:42] any other ?'s [13:44:59] not about the docs, but where can i get a natty iso? [13:45:28] i'd like to get a vm running it [13:45:36] [LINK] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ [13:46:03] brilliant, thanks [13:46:16] We do not have any daily iso right now, but the alpha1 image is good [13:46:18] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-1/ [13:46:41] Until we get the panel plugins updated, we won't get a new image [13:46:55] ok charlie-tca, thanks [13:47:10] I guess that's all for docs now [13:47:23] Thank you very much, Book_em_Dano. It's great to know we have you [13:47:33] [TOPIC] PowerPC and PS3 ports for Natty [13:48:10] My thought right now is to discontinue the PS3 port completely, since the manufacturer doesn't want the os changed anymore [13:48:17] any comments on it? [13:48:30] I agree [13:48:40] +1. was it very popular anyway? [13:48:50] at different times it was [13:49:34] As for the PowerPC port, unless we get testers for it, we will not be producing the release milestones, thus it will not release as 11.04 [13:50:09] I am willing to allow the dailies until next month, when we should discuss continuing this too. [13:50:55] Any questions or comments on this? [13:51:15] [TOPIC] Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2 [13:51:51] Since we have many updates to 10.04 when it is installed, I want to publish the .2 image [13:52:16] This will allow us to get the changes in and save those installing it some bandwidth. [13:52:43] We know not all places have the fastest thing going, and unlimited downloads available. [13:53:02] that seems like a good idea [13:53:09] Maybe we can even get the docs in it updated before the release? [13:53:22] mr_pouit: do we need to SRU the documentation? [13:54:26] cody-somerville: : do we need to SRU the documentation? [13:54:54] Major Mozilla updates are Firefox 3.6 has Out of process plugins for flash now and Thunderbird will be 3.1.x [13:55:08] charlie-tca, Are people still working on 10.04 documentation? [13:55:18] Book_em_Dano: is trying to update it [13:55:41] It will be around for another 2 years + [13:56:24] Is the 10.04 documentation translated? [13:56:56] I don't believe so, since it is still 9.10 docs [13:58:20] when is the cutoff date to allow updates to be available for 10.04.2? [13:59:01] Book_em_Dano: probably the beginning of February [13:59:48] the release is scheduled for February 17, so probably February 10 [14:00:34] charlie-tca: no, they should be in a week before so they can have proper verification before the images are made [14:01:10] Yeah? So plan for the 1st of February? [14:01:16] I should be able to revise the docs for lucid by that time [14:01:38] cody-somerville: ^ ^ ^ [14:01:44] Feb 7 would probably be the last day to sanely get something in, but that's really last minute [14:02:23] Okay [14:02:34] alright [14:02:39] Moving on, then, since we need to wrap up, [14:03:05] BTW, that date is uploaded, not verified :) [14:03:05] [TOPIC] Governance [14:03:36] micahg: can you find out for us? [14:03:45] charlie-tca: find out what? [14:04:01] what the actual cutoff date is on getting things in for .2? [14:04:35] Not necessarily today, but ... [14:04:56] charlie-tca: sure, but I would imagine CDs start spinning the Tuesday before release, so you want to have everything uploaded by the Monday before that to give 1 week in -proposed [14:05:17] that makes sense. [14:05:38] that's why I said last sane date to upload is Feb 7 [14:06:25] As far as governance, nominations for Project Lead are due by Dec 15. Please send nominations in to the Community Council [14:06:33] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2010-November/007614.html [14:06:37] charlie-tca: sorry, I will do that tomorrow [14:06:41] Done [14:07:22] I was nominated by j1mc for Project Lead, and will accept that nomination. [14:07:42] charlie-tca: oh, so I don't have to nominate? [14:07:50] micahg: correct [14:08:10] * micahg will thanks j1mc later :) [14:08:16] :-) [14:08:33] Any other comments/questions on governance3? [14:09:00] [TOPIC] Any other business? [14:09:07] Open floor [14:09:26] going... [14:09:34] Thunderbird will be moving to 3.1.x very soon [14:09:34] going.... [14:09:38] in Lucid [14:09:38] Yay! [14:10:01] We need anyone that can to test the latest thunderbird, too, right? [14:10:07] so, if anyone wants to test, it's staged in the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA [14:10:31] Speaking of Project Governance [14:10:31] but that will probably get pushed out today or tomorrow [14:10:33] test it on lucid or test it full stop? [14:10:47] beardygnome: just lucid, we shipped maverick with it [14:10:50] micahg: please keep me posted on tbird testing. I am doing it myself as we speak [14:11:07] I thought charlie-tca was affirmed as the project leader - not just as an interim - already. Am I mistaken? [14:11:16] micahg: ok, thanks [14:11:25] jdstrand: ok, no new news, release date is supposed to be today for 3.1.7 [14:11:27] I hadn't seen that. [14:12:03] cody-somerville: we never got a vote setup, did we? [14:12:39] * charlie-tca steps back so others can discuss this [14:13:20] I'm pretty sure we affirmed you, charlie-tca, as the project leader in a community meeting. [14:13:47] So unless its been three release cycles since then, which I don't think it has been, then I think you're good to go. [14:14:01] hm, anyone else got anything on that one? [14:14:37] It's been one cycle, but I did not think it was confirmed [14:14:45] i think you're doing a great job charlie-tca, i was going to vote for you anyway :-) [14:14:48] thus the call for nominations [14:15:42] I think we press on with the nominations and CC involvement now [14:16:24] I really do appreciate the support, though. [14:16:50] any more comments? [14:17:29] We will meet again in one week, December 16, here, at 19:00 UTC [14:17:37] #endmeeting Meeting ended. }}}