Intro
Ubuntu Open Week - Introduction - Jono Bacon - Mon, Nov 2nd, 2009
1 [15:01] <jono> oi oi folks :)
2 [15:01] <fuller9box> can i record sessions that i cannot attend? If so how plz - thanks
3 [15:01] <sebsebseb> hi jono
4 [15:02] <jaytheblogger> Hi Jono
5 [15:02] <fuller9box> hi jono
6 [15:02] <virusuy> hi joaopinto
7 [15:02] <ejat> hi jono :)
8 [15:02] <virusuy> hi jono
9 [15:02] <sebsebseb> fuller9box: this room gets logged
10 [15:02] <jpds> fuller9box: Logs will be available at irclogs.ubuntu.com
11 [15:02] <airurando> hi jono
12 [15:02] <jono> lets give it a minute for late folks to arrive
13 [15:02] <jono> particularly with the time zone changes around the world
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15 [15:02] <jcastro> Thanks everyone for showing up!
16 [15:02] <jcastro> already almost 200 people!
17 === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger
18 [15:03] <fuller9box> sebsebseb, jpds - thanks 4 that
19 [15:03] <sebsebseb> fuller9box: np
20 [15:03] <jono> good to see all these folks arriving :)
21 [15:03] <openweek9> hi
22 [15:03] <Bush> is there voice I am unaware of or is it all text? (I have never used IRC anything)
23 [15:03] <jono> Bush, it will be just text
24 [15:04] <Bush> Sweet and thank you
25 [15:04] <virusuy> Bush: if you want to ear jono's voice, go to twit.tv :P
26 [15:04] <jono> virusuy, lol
27 [15:04] <X3MBoy> Bush: depend of your client, but it's just text in escence...
28 [15:05] <openweek9> let's go people
29 === pleia2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to Ubuntu Open Week! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Current Session: Introduction - Jono Bacon
30 === jcastro changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to Ubuntu Open Week! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek || All questions go in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
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33 [15:07] <jono> alright
34 [15:07] <jono> I think we are about ready
35 [15:08] <jono> so before we begin, lets see where everyone is from
36 [15:08] <jono> folks, let me know the town and country you are living in
37 [15:08] <Dig> [be]
38 [15:08] <virusuy> jono: I'm from Uruguay !!!
39 [15:08] <DilbertDave> Exmouth, UK
40 [15:08] <gabriele> [it]
41 [15:08] <dutchie> worcester, UK
42 [15:08] <openweek3_> Germany Hagen
43 [15:08] <Rohirrim> Mumbai, India
44 [15:08] <openweek8_> Vancouver BC
45 [15:08] <TheFunkbomb> CT, USA
46 [15:08] <openweek9__> Tienen, BE
47 [15:08] <zakaria> Jakarta, Indonesia
48 [15:08] <mauri1> Im from Uruguay
49 [15:08] <miquel_puig> Barcelona, Catalonia
50 [15:08] <SplitHorizon> Jacksonville, FL USA
51 [15:08] <openweek9> Aberdeen, UK
52 [15:08] <nameiner> Raleigh, NC
53 [15:08] <akgraner> Union Mills, NC
54 [15:08] <jedler> Leopoldshoehe, Germany
55 [15:08] <manouche> York, UK
56 [15:08] <DRice> jono, hanover, germany
57 [15:08] <tyche> Fountain Hills, Arizona, USA
58 [15:08] <syzygy> los angeles, ca, usa
59 [15:08] <der_karle> Germany, Paderborn
60 [15:08] <LeChacal> Flint, MI, USA
61 [15:08] <Milyardo> Flint, Michigan
62 [15:08] <ejat> Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
63 [15:08] <airurando> Athy, Co. Kildare, Ireland.
64 [15:08] <SjB> London, Ontario, CAN
65 [15:08] <Bush> Fairchild Airforce base Wa {US}
66 [15:08] <esomeprazole> Philippines
67 [15:08] <eny_> Tallinn, Estonia
68 [15:08] <ion> Tampere, Finland
69 [15:08] <Dineren> KS, USA
70 [15:08] <pyrosrock> Melbourne, Australia
71 [15:08] <jtniehof> Brookline, MA, US (going to be Boston in about an hour when I go to work)
72 [15:08] <sebsebseb> Near Bristol England
73 [15:08] <h00k> WI, USA
74 [15:09] <k0m0d0> Amsterdam, NL
75 [15:09] <chruck> Greenville SC
76 [15:09] <lifer999> Toronto, Canada
77 [15:09] <JonyBlaze> Norfolk,VA,USA
78 [15:09] <yos> Akko, Israel
79 [15:09] <ScottK> Ellicott City, MD, USA
80 [15:09] <dwiasharialdy> bandung, indonesia
81 [15:09] <Marcelo> Argentina
82 [15:09] <jono> awesome!
83 [15:09] <fuller9box> south london
84 [15:09] <jono> thanks for letting me know folks
85 [15:09] <LaserJock> Hanscom AFB, MA, USA
86 [15:09] <cstudent> Portsmouth, OH
87 [15:09] <rrnwexec> Vancouver BC, Canada.
88 [15:09] <IdleOne> Good morning and happy UOW
89 [15:09] <Loisha> switzerland
90 [15:09] <Mindfulgeek> Boston, MA
91 [15:09] <jono> I am from the Bay Area in California, and it is rather early here :)
92 [15:09] <prabodha1> Colombo, Sri Lanka
93 [15:10] <charlie-tca> Boise, Idaho, USA
94 [15:10] <tavish> delhi, india
95 [15:10] <jono> so, welcome to Ubuntu Open Week everyone!
96 [15:10] <Spajderix> Legnica, Poland
97 [15:10] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: Or afternoon or whatever, depending on time zone
98 [15:10] <openweek4__> Hi everyone
99 [15:10] <Dig> Antartica! It's cold
100 [15:10] <PabloRubianes> Montevideo, Uruguay
101 [15:10] <jono> for those of you who are new to Ubuntu Open Week, I am going to explain how the week works
102 [15:10] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: yup :)
103 [15:10] * funkyPants sits on jono
104 [15:10] <jono> I am going to discuss the concept of the week, where you can find out more and how you can get involved
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106 [15:11] <snap-l> Macomb, MI
107 [15:11] <jono> Ubuntu Open Week was created a number of cycles back as a means in which we can introduce new members of our community to many of the skills of how you contribute
108 [15:12] <jono> the goal is simple: we provide a week of IRC tuition sessions, you good people join and learn the awesome content, and you can take these skills and contribute to Ubuntu
109 [15:12] <jono> we have an absolutely phenomenal community, which is underlined by a strong sense of family
110 [15:13] <jono> together we work on Ubuntu and what connects us together in many cases is a strong sense of the Ubuntu ethos - a deep running feeling of working on something that can benefit many people around the world
111 [15:14] <jono> we want to encourage as many people to join our family and indulge in that ethos, and Ubuntu Open Week was designed to make this possible
112 [15:14] <jono> now, a key attribute in our community is that we want to build a diverse community - you don't have to be a superstar programmer to get involved in Ubuntu
113 [15:14] <jono> we have many sub-communities, each of which cover a diverse range of skills
114 [15:15] <jono> these include documentation, development, translations, advocacy, testing, art and more
115 [15:15] <jono> together each of these sub-communities knits together to work on Ubuntu and the result is not only each release every six months, but also the incredible global community that we have come together to build
116 [15:16] <Arex> i was thinking about getting involved in packaging, but I only have a small bit of programming experience, what do you think?
117 [15:16] <canthus13> j/ignore #ubuntu-classroom +JOINS +PARTS +QUITS
118 [15:16] <jcastro> Arex, all questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat please, we're in the middle of a session now
119 [15:16] <jono> for those of you who don't know me, my name is Jono Bacon, and I work at Canonical as the Ubuntu Community Manager, and my job is to help build a strong, enabled, productive and fun community like this
120 [15:16] <IdleOne> Arex: www.ubuntu.com and click on the get involved link for more info
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123 [15:17] <jono> on my team I have dholbach: Daniel Holbach, jcastro: Jorge Castro, and dpm: David Planella - if you have any questions this week about anything Ubuntu related, I encourage you to contact them
124 [15:17] <jono> so, this is how it works
125 [15:18] <jono> if you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek you will see a grid filled with discussion sessions
126 [15:18] <faberglas> j/ignore #ubuntu-classroom =JOINS =PARTS =QUITS
127 [15:18] <jono> each of those discussions sessions will take place in this channel
128 [15:18] <jono> one of our incredible community members will deliver the session over IRC, just like this
129 [15:18] <jono> they will type the information and you can read it
130 [15:18] <Loisha> j/ignore #ubuntu-classroom =JOINS =PARTS =QUITS
131 [15:19] <jono> now, you should also join #ubuntu-classroom-chat
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133 [15:19] <jono> you can join it by typing: /join #ubuntu-classroom-chat
134 [15:19] <jono> in that channel you can discuss the session as it progresses
135 [15:19] <jono> folks, please *do not* discuss anything in here
136 [15:19] <jono> if you do, you very may well get kicked out by one of the ops
137 [15:20] <jono> keep *all* discussion in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
138 [15:20] <jono> I now expect a discussion to begin about my beard
139 [15:20] <ninadsp> /ignore #ubuntu-classroom +JOINS +PARTS +QUITS
140 [15:20] <jono> I am cool with that :)
141 [15:20] <jono> :P
142 [15:20] <jcastro> If it gets out of hand we'll +m the channel, but then it's less fun
143 [15:20] <jono> indeed
144 [15:20] <jcastro> so please remember to show courtesy to the current speaker
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146 [15:20] <jono> with each session, attendees typically want to ask questions
147 [15:20] <jono> the way this works is simple
148 === tehwin is now known as jonos_beard
149 [15:21] * FunnyBeard likes to sit on jono's face :p
150 [15:21] <jono> in #ubuntu-classroom-chat ask a question using 'QUESTION' at the beginning
151 [15:21] <jono> here is an example:
152 [15:21] <jono> QUESTION: Why are Iron Maiden the greatest band that has ever existed, ever?
153 === aim1159_ is now known as aim1159
154 [15:22] <jono> remember, you should keep *all* questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
155 [15:22] <rbscycle> QUESTION: will there be a fix for Flash update for the PPC?
156 [15:22] <jono> as the session progresses, the session leader will pick out questions and answer them in here
157 [15:22] <jono> rbscycle, as I just said, don't ask questions in here, but in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
158 [15:22] <jono> so an example answer:
159 [15:23] <BluesKaj> howdy
160 [15:23] <jono> (a real question, strangely:)
161 [15:23] <jono> <jonos_beard> QUESTION: Why is jono's beard so awesome
162 [15:23] <jono> no-one really knows, it has been spoken about by generations, yet the original awesomeness is unclear
163 [15:24] <jono> so thats it folks, simple as that
164 [15:24] <jono> we have a stack of sessions going on this week, and you can always see the schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
165 [15:24] <jono> you can also see logs of the sessions at irclogs.ubuntu.com
166 [15:25] <jono> so, we have a little bit of time available for questions (in #ubuntu-classroom-chat) - any questions I can answer?
167 [15:25] <openweek4__> QUESTION:How can i increase the video memory of ubuntu in virtual box
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169 [15:26] <jcastro> (some other info real quick while people queue up questions)
170 [15:26] <jono> <rrnwexec> QUESTION: Are we limiting the scope of questions in this session?
171 === tavish is now known as tavish_scott
172 [15:26] <jcastro> We have a brochure at the site now if you want to print a schedule
173 [15:26] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
174 [15:26] <jono> all questions are welcome :)
175 [15:26] <jcastro> also, the calendar is broken so we're fixing that now
176 [15:26] <jono> jcastro, ahhh yes, thanks Jorge, I forgot to mention that
177 [15:26] <akgraner> <Solarion> QUESTION: how can small LOCOs overcome their smallness? Inter-distro collab? Wider-area aggregation? Other?
178 [15:26] <jono> <Mindfulgeek> QUESTION: Where do you see the biggest need for help is?
179 [15:27] <pompeyrodney> can anyone tell me if a non destructive format is posible please?
180 [15:27] <jono> akgraner, I will post them in here
181 [15:27] <jono> Mindfulgeek, we need help everywhere
182 === spidey is now known as spideysam
183 [15:27] <jono> Mindfulgeek, but I am personally really keen to see us have more packagers involved in the project :)
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185 === openweek5__ is now known as Satisfaction
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187 [15:28] * akgraner blushes.. turns help button down a notch or two and steps away from the caffeine
188 [15:28] <jono> Solarion, as for LoCo smallness, I don't think a LoCo needs to grow any bigger than it feels it needs to, but to grow it should focus on encouraging more local Ubuntu members to join, and use this membership to do good work, and then go on to work with other groups such as LUGs
189 [15:28] <sks> I HAVE INSTALLED UBUNTU 9.10 AND MY GRUB VERSION SEEM TO BE VERSION 1.97~beta4
190 [15:28] <sks> is this correct???
191 [15:28] <MooDoo> sks: probably the wrong place to ask right now :)
192 [15:28] <dholbach> sks: do you think you can ask that question in #ubuntu-classroom-chat?
193 [15:29] <jono> <jrwren_> QUESTION: I'm not familiar with some of the words on the Schedule, could you define Byobu and WIOS ?
194 [15:29] <sks> im sorry
195 [15:29] <mhall119|work> might want to mute non-ops in this channel
196 [15:29] <jono> a quick google should help - byobu is a screen-like facility which is particularly useful for sysadmins
197 [15:29] <jcastro> jrwren_, also, there are descriptions in the PDF on the wiki page with more information on the session.
198 [15:29] <jono> and WIOS means Women In Open Source
199 [15:30] <sebsebseb> sks: yes that's fine, also #ubuntu is for support
200 [15:30] <jono> <jbicha> QUESTION: is Canonical still losing money? if they are, do you have an estimate for when they'll break even?
201 [15:31] <jono> Canonical is still working towards profitability, and we are making great strides in that direction, as for timescales, I don't really have any informationI can provide
202 [15:31] <jono> <MenZa> QUESTION: What is the average airspeed velocity of a laden European swallow?
203 [15:31] <jono> erm, next question...
204 [15:31] <jono> <jaytheblogger> jono: QUESTION : I'm interested in packaging a new flavor of linux for hardcore gamers and game developers. as a newbie, what are my chances, and how should I go t about it?
205 [15:32] <jono> sounds awesome!
206 [15:32] <jono> there are lots of docs online about creating derivatives
207 [15:32] <jono> I would recommend you contact the Ubuntu Studio, Kubuntu or Xubuntu folks to ask them for some pointers
208 [15:32] <jono> <zakaria> QUESTION: I'm a small time sysadmin. Sometime I make a script collection to install and configure server. What is the best way to share those script with another Ubunteros? Is there a place for this?
209 [15:33] <jono> I am not aware of a standard place myself, but you may want to post to the ubuntu-server mailing list and ask :)
210 [15:33] <jono> <yos> QUESTION: what does packaging involve ?
211 [15:34] <jono> in a nutshell, packaging involves taking a piece of software that has been released in source code form, adding some additional files that specify how the package works and generating a package that works using the Debian packaging system
212 [15:36] <jono> the way most packagers get involved is by adding a package to the sponsorship queue - this is where you create a package and an existing ubuntu developers offers input and upload it on your behalf if it is of suitable quality
213 [15:36] <jono> if you want more help on this, join #ubuntu-motu on Freenode
214 [15:36] <jono> or talk to dholbach - he can help :)
215 [15:36] <jono> <X3MBoy> QUESTION: Is the IRC classroom used in other communities or is an Ubuntu community invention???
216 [15:37] <jono> we were the first to come up with an open week, and I havent seen many other communities do it :)
217 [15:37] <jono> sorry folks, I have a phone call, jcastro can you continue for a moment
218 [15:37] <jcastro> QUESTION: so does one have to be a coder to package ?
219 [15:37] <jcastro> Not really
220 [15:37] <jcastro> though for more advanced things it helps if you know how to apply and test patches
221 [15:38] <jcastro> I expect a review of your package won't go far if you don't know how to do things like that
222 [15:38] <jcastro> however there are other tasks in packaging you can do without that
223 [15:38] <jcastro> that's a great question for daniel and james during the thursday sessions on becoming an ubuntu developer
224 [15:39] <jcastro> QUESTION: Does Ubuntu have automated testing for QA? How about collaborations with vendors to ensure that the hardware works reliably across upgrades?
225 [15:39] <jcastro> I can't answer this, but there will be QA sessions throughout the week
226 [15:39] <jcastro> QUESTION: Why did we make the switch to empathy/telepathy so soon?
227 [15:39] <jcastro> there is a session on the entire telepathy stack on Friday
228 [15:40] <jcastro> but the short answe there is audio/video support, and upstream collaboration
229 [15:40] <jcastro> QUESTION: When will GNOME utility to configure the pop-up messages? Why in the 9.10 release messages that pop up one position lower than the message sound?
230 [15:40] <jcastro> as far as I know this is a design decision and the notifications are not designed to be configurable
231 [15:40] <jono> ok backl
232 [15:40] <jono> back
233 [15:41] <jono> just finding my place
234 [15:41] <jcastro> Ok, please reask your question in -chat if I missed it
235 [15:41] <jcastro> and remember to preface your question with QUESTION: so we don't miss it!
236 [15:42] <jono> ok
237 [15:42] <jono> sorry about that folks
238 [15:42] <jono> it appears some people don't know about Open Week
239 [15:42] <jono> :)
240 [15:42] <jono> <rrnwexec> QUESTION: How would you rate the health of the Ubuntu community as compared with other distro's?
241 [15:43] <jono> I think we are in really good shape - while there are always things we need to fix and improve, there is a great sense of morale in the community, we are seeing regular growth, and I think everyone is hugely proud of the Karmic release
242 [15:44] <jono> <mugginz> QUESTION: Is there a possablility of Samba being shipped in a functional state by default? Packages installed, etc.
243 [15:44] <jono> not sure, that is a question for #ubuntu-server methinks
244 [15:44] <jono> <mhall119|work> QUESTION: the docs on creating derivative distros is outdates with the new GDM and XSplash, when will they be updated?
245 [15:44] <jono> I haven't reviewed the docs recently, so I am not sure
246 [15:44] <jono> <joaopinto> QUESTION: Audio is clearly the worse area on Ubuntu 9.10, judging from a support request perspective, is there a plan on which the community can participate ? Bug reporting is clearly not sufficient
247 [15:46] <jono> I wouldn't necessarily say it is the worst area, but it could do with some love - if people want to help, the best thing to do is to understand our audio infrastructure and join us as a developer, helping to fix bugs and ensure that audio is rocking in ubuntu
248 [15:46] <jono> we are also keen to have bug reports on audio and have folks join our testing community to build stronger tests for our audio sub-system
249 [15:47] <jono> <zakaria> QUESTION: When 9.10.1 released?
250 [15:47] <jono> I am not seeing anything on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule yet, so I am not quite sure
251 [15:48] <jono> a date may not have been set yet
252 [15:48] <jono> <jbicha> QUESTION: what's your favorite Karmic feature?
253 [15:48] <jono> I love the fact that we ship Empathy and its audio/video/screensharing support
254 [15:50] <jono> <honza> QUESTION: What is the preferred programming language for developing applications for Ubuntu?
255 [15:51] <jono> for creating new apps, we often recommend Python - there is an awesome tool called Quickly which helps you get up and running quickly - it creates an example applications and eases how you write code, create user interfaces, commit to bazaar and generate packages
256 [15:51] <jono> see wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly for details
257 [15:51] <jono> I have written a few apps with it - it is awesome
258 [15:51] <jono> <Mindfulgeek> QUESTION: Do you recommend upgrading or a clean install?
259 [15:52] <jono> upgrade works great for me :)
260 [15:52] <jono> <bigbrovar> QUESTION: There is a sense among kubuntu users that not enough is been done to being it on per with ubuntu in area of features and stability what is your take on this.
261 [15:53] <jono> Kubuntu is an awesome community distribution - Canonical hires the always wonderful Riddell to work on Kubuntu, and much of the underlying foundation of Ubuntu also applies to Kubuntu too, but it sounds like there may be a resourcing issue in not having enough hands on deck in the community to work on Kubuntu
262 [15:53] <jono> I would recommend that the Kubuntu community works together to build outreach to get more developers involved if there is a feeling that there are not enough hands on deck
263 [15:54] <jono> maybe we should have a Kubuntu Developer Week?
264 [15:54] <jono> our developer weekend
265 [15:54] <jono> with IRC sessions about packaging KDE for Kubuntu?
266 [15:54] <jono> <mhall119|work> QUESTION: jono, how are the book sales going? Is your publisher still happy with making it available for download?
267 [15:55] <jono> (mhall119|work is referring to my recent book on building community called The Art of Community which is available to buy but also available for free download at http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/get/)
268 [15:56] <jono> the book seems to be doing well, I am just really happy with the ratings on amazon.com - I am not sure about book sales globally, but it seems to be doing well, and O'Reilly are happy that it is available to download - in fact, book sales went *up* when I made it available for download :-)
269 [15:56] <jono> <hardyl> QUESTION: How will the "ship-it" program change?
270 [15:56] <jono> see http://blog.canonical.com/?p=264 for details
271 [15:57] <jono> ok folks, one more
272 [15:57] <jono> <shadeslayer> QUESTION:Why is it that KDE does not get as much attention as GNOME does,for eg : www.ubuntu.com looks really professional,while www.kubuntu.org looks haphazard
273 [15:57] <jono> GNOME is the chosen desktop for Ubuntu, and KDE is the chosen desktop for Kubuntu
274 [15:58] <jono> Ubuntu is the primary distribution that Canonical funds, and hence ubuntu.com includes much of the information there - Kubuntu is an awesome community developed distribution
275 [15:58] <jono> I think kubuntu.org looks awesome, and the Kubuntu community have done a wonderful job producing such a fantastic distro and the website and brand around it
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277 [15:59] <jono> if you feel it could improved, feel free to get in touch with Riddell and I am sure he would welcome the help :-)
278 [15:59] <jono> ok folks, my time is up, thanks so much for coming to this opening session and I look forward to the rest of the week!
279 [15:59] <jono> have a great week!
280 [15:59] <jcastro> ok thanks jono
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