== Open Week -- Kubuntu is Awesome - Riddell -- Mon, Oct 11 == {{{#!IRC [17:01] Good afternoon all [17:01] as you know, Ubuntu makes a bunch of distro variants [17:02] Kubuntu is the most awesomest one [17:02] it's an Ubuntu distribution based heavily on KDE Software [17:02] KDE is a community making the original and best free desktop software as I expect you know [17:03] on the commercially led<->community sliding scale Kubuntu is much more towards community than e.g. Ubuntu Desktop is [17:03] but we're a supported project of Canonical (feel free to pay us money to support you!) [17:04] many years ago KDE was born as a desktop to take over the world [17:04] a few years ago the desktop was complete but it hadn't taken over the world [17:04] we KDE realised it wasn't enough to be as good as the competition, you had to be better [17:04] so much re-writing was done and KDE 4 was born [17:05] this has been a painful process, since when you rewrite things, they get a better foundation but can lose features for users [17:05] the good news is that 4.0 was released three years ago! [17:05] all the little niggles and missing features compared to KDE 3 have gone [17:05] so we have a very solid and innovative desktop to make a distro with [17:05] that distro is Kubuntu [17:06] uLinux: yes, the Kubuntu session is on [17:06] 10.10 was released yesterday [17:06] anyone tried it yet? [17:06] (chat in #ubuntu-classroom-chat incase you hadn't got that) [17:07] nobody used it yet! now's the perfect time to try! [17:08] 17:07 < uLinux> QUESTION: is kubuntu less bloated then Ubuntu? [17:08] it's a full featured desktop, we try not to add unnecessary dependencies but then I expect so do Ubuntu Desktop people [17:09] it all manages to fit on a single CD though, which beats any proprietary OS you can think of [17:09] 17:07 < ulysses> Riddell: I upgraded but it freezes with KDE 4.5.1 and 4.5.2 also:( [17:09] that's a shame, computers can be annoying like that [17:09] do use #kubuntu or mailing lists or forums for support to try to debug that [17:10] 17:08 < luis_lopez> QUESTION: is multitouch supported under Kubuntu? === nitesh is now known as mobster [17:10] multitouch isn't supported currently, we'll be discussing that at the ubuntu summit in a couple of weeks, feel free to give me hardware I can test it on :) [17:10] 17:09 < sebsebseb> QUESTION: Why is Kubuntu so close to vanilla KDE, instead of customising it a bit more like other distros tend to do, themewise and such? [17:10] because KDE rocks! [17:11] we like to work with KDE rather than change what they offer, that way everyone wins [17:11] also other distros customise the theme so you can recognise Kubuntu nicely because we're the one that doesn't :) [17:11] KDE artwork is great, I don't see any reason to change it [17:12] 17:10 < Guest36400> So whats the difference between Ubuntu+KDE and Kubuntu? [17:12] well nothing, Kubuntu is the KDE variant from Ubuntu [17:12] if you have Ubuntu Desktop installed you can get Kubuntu with just installing the kubuntu-desktop package [17:13] 17:11 < shauno> (question for here) are all these sessions direct q&a? or do we let them do their bit & wait until questions are invited? [17:13] shauno: I have some notes to talk from, but it's usually more interesting with questions [17:13] so feel free to ask [17:14] 17:09 < ls960> QUESTION: will fix intel drivers 915, 945 and so on? [17:14] that's up to Intel really I'm afraid [17:14] KWin uses parts of openGL that are not well supported by all X drivers unfortunately [17:14] and to make things worse, some drivers claim to suppose those features when they don't [17:15] this isn't new parts of openGL, it's features that have been working fine on other OSs for years [17:15] but I know KDE developers will be working with X developers to make sure those problems get fixed [17:16] 17:13 < crunch2> Question: why does kubuntu seem a "bit" slower then ubuntu? How can we speed up kubuntu? thks [17:16] that's a tricky question to answer, it's very subjective and usually depends on the hardware you have [17:16] turning off compositing may help, or it may not [17:16] make sure nepomuk "Desktop Search" is turned off, that can use lots of resources [17:17] 17:13 < ulysses> QUESTION: Do you plan using the upstream KDE translations instead of importing them to Launchpad, and then building the language packs, and updating more frequently the translations? [17:17] we do use upstream translations of course [17:18] but as you say they get imported and exported from launchpad [17:18] which can cause problems when the import/export scripts don't work [17:18] unfortunately upstream KDE translations aren't perfect either [17:18] they released the wrong translations for KDE PIM in this release [17:19] they also won't accept strings we add to our packages (there's about a dozen of them) so we need to do translatins ourselves [17:19] and Canonical has customers who need to translate Kubuntu all in one place without having to learn about svn exports and po files [17:20] so I don't expect it to change, although I agree it's not perfect [17:20] so new in 10.10... [17:20] the Plasma Netbook workspace has been promoted onto the main Kubuntu download [17:21] you now get either a netbook or a desktop workspace as best suited to your machine [17:21] (you can change it manually if you want) [17:21] this is part of the KDE strategy of making sure KDE Software can fit in on a spectrum of machines [17:21] from handheld to large desktops [17:21] along those lines we also have a new Kubuntu Mobile variant using the Plasma Mobile workspace [17:22] it's very much a technology preview for now [17:22] but I did see them making a phone call with it at Akademy [17:22] in Kubuntu 10.10 we also have an updated package manager, now application focused (like Software Centre or App Store) [17:23] ooh and a new web browser [17:23] Rekonq is based on Webkit and has an innovative user interface [17:23] global menu: a new freedesktop spec led by canonical has allowed for a menu bar which is in a panel rather than in the app frame [17:24] we use this in the netbook workspace now [17:24] the installer now lets you download MP3 support during the install [17:24] it also starts the install as soon as you set your partitions, so it's ready sooner [17:24] we use the new Ubuntu font by default [17:24] which I think looks lovely [17:24] and of course all the latest software versions, KDE Platform 4.5, Qt 4.7, Amarok 2.3.2... [17:25] 17:21 < luis_lopez> QUESTION: Riddell: Tell us something about Qt Quick awesomeness :) [17:25] Qt Quick is a new feature with Qt 4.7 [17:25] it's a library which lets you write user interfaces in a language similar to CSS stylesheets [17:26] then write the transitions you want to happen in that UI when actions happen [17:26] it makes writing desktop apps similar to how I believe Adobe Flash apps are written [17:26] it allows for designers to gets the results they want sooner and easier [17:26] we did a tutorial on it a few months ago as part of Kubuntu Tutorials Day [17:27] Kubuntu developers apachelogger has been playing with writing a video playing in Qt Quick, so we may see some fancy new app in Natty [17:27] 17:22 < crunch2> Question: why doesnt kubuntu receives all the goodies ubuntu is developing, such as full ubuntu one integration? thks [17:28] "Ubuntu" is a project that makes distributions such as Ubuntu Desktop or Kubuntu, but there's very little software written by Ubuntu [17:28] Ubuntu One is written by Canonical [17:28] and they've done their sums and reconned it's not economically sensible to write Kubuntu frontends to Ubuntu One [17:29] which is a shame, but that's business for you [17:29] we did have a project to write them which got quite far but the Ubuntu One team in Canonical hasn't learnt how to work with the community very well yet [17:29] so they made changes that stopped our bits from working [17:30] we'll be talking to them about that at the Ubuntu summit [17:30] 17:21 < Chell> Question: In the past Kubuntu was critiqued of not having as much spit & polish as Ubuntu. Did the Kubuntu team do anything about that for 10.10? [17:30] we took the more polished KDE software and made it all work for you :) [17:31] 17:26 < MyPlanetWars> QUESTION: is it possible to have both KDE and GNOME together? if yes, is it stable and which files are shared? (e.g. home directory?) [17:31] yes very much [17:31] there's no reason to limit yourself if you need a feature from an app [17:31] all your files are shared [17:32] 17:21 < boulabiar> Question: How much developers are working on KDE/Kubuntu compared to Gnome/ubuntu inside Canonical [17:33] I think a better question is how many people in total work on Kubuntu compared to Ubuntu Desktop [17:33] I don't know the answer to that [17:33] but I do know the Kubuntu team is busy and friendly and you should come and join us [17:34] (I'm avoiding the original question because I don't count how many gnome developers canonical has it's not something I spend much time looking at) [17:35] here at Kubuntu we pride ourselves on being friendly [17:35] friendly software, friendly people [17:35] if we're ever not, do call us out on it! [17:35] so we should be friendly on support channels for users, on IRC, mailing lists, forums etc [17:35] and if you want to help out making Kubuntu better, we're always very friendly to that [17:36] yes we want you for Kubuntu contributors! [17:36] now is the start of the cycle so we have lots of things to do to get Natty going [17:36] lots of packages need updating and merging with Debian [17:36] lots of bugs need triaged (to find out if any stable release updates for 10.10 are needed for example) [17:36] lots of users need support with 10.10 of course [17:37] if you want to propose feature ideas for Natty we have UDS [17:38] the Ubuntu Developer Summit [17:38] which you can participate in remotely if you aren't in Florida [17:38] if you are a kubuntu contributor not only do you get international recognition by millions of users [17:38] you may well also get to come to the next Ubuntu Developer Summit [17:38] as I say we're having one in a couple of weeks in Florida [17:39] and some of the people coming were, like many of you, kubuntu users six months ago, but are now fully fledged contributors [17:39] ideas for natty are being collected at http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty [17:40] mostly we do our kubuntu development in #kubuntu-devel [17:40] so if you're interested in helping out do join us there [17:40] any more questions? [17:40] or any I've missed? [17:42] seems not, thanks for listening and asking, let me know if you do have questions and if you want to help with Kubuntu we're waiting for you to join us [17:43] 17:42 < crunch2> Question: how tight is the cooperation with debian (kde maintainers)? [17:43] we share beers at events [17:43] we share patches [17:43] as with Ubuntu in general we get a lot more from Debian than we give back, but we try to make sure we give back when there are changes they'll be interested in [17:44] 17:44 < maco> Riddell: how do patches work between kubuntu and kde? [17:44] most of our patches come from KDE upstream [17:44] and most of the rest go to KDE upstream [17:44] shadeslayer got his first patch into KDE today, go shadeslayer! [17:45] we try to keep any long running patches to a minimum, it becomes unsustainable very quickly if we don't [17:45] 17:44 < MyPlanetWars> QUESTION: besides the look, is there any difference in kubuntu and ubuntu? [17:46] all the GUI programmes are different programmes [17:46] so it's like asking is there any difference between Windows and MacOS, they all let you browse files and look at websites but the details are all different [17:47] 17:45 < maco> qt and gtk are both LGPL [17:47] that's true and worth repeating since people seem to forget [17:48] the main non-technical difference between those two toolkits it Qt is actively developed by a large community and a commercial sponsor [17:51] There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. [17:53] thanks again for listening, next up it's "How to contribute to Ubuntu" with devildante [17:54] hi guys :) [17:55] wait until the time, don't start too early! [17:55] okay [17:55] it's like ubuntu, strict time schedule! :) }}}