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Ubuntu Open Week - Ubuntu Studio - Joseph Jackson IV - Sat, Apr 28, 2007

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20:52:16 < joejaxx> how many people are here for the ubuntu studio session?
20:52:27  * octoberdan raises hand
20:52:32  * txwikinger 
20:52:33  * ditsch is here
20:52:33  * Sanne is here
20:52:38  * troy_s is here.
20:52:38  * janjimusptfajar is here
20:52:42  * txwikinger is here
20:52:54  * Belutz is here
20:52:55  * samgee_ too
20:52:57  * MikeDK here
20:52:58 < octoberdan> joejaxx: Some may be logging it to read it later
20:53:09 < joejaxx> ok we will wait a few it is not 20:00 exactly yet
20:53:09  * lotusleaf giggles
20:53:13 < joejaxx> octoberdan: ok
20:53:56  * radmen is also here ;]
20:54:09 < tsmithe> i'm here for the session
20:54:13  * tsmithe huggles joejaxx
20:54:26 < joejaxx> tsmithe: :P
20:54:29 < radmen> joejaxx: yeah it's 21:54 ;p
20:54:32 < troy_s> tsmithe: The 'UglyAssMofosConvention' is down the hall...
20:54:33  * Belutz begin to get sleepy >_<
20:54:45 < tsmithe> joejaxx, troy_s; can i learn more about ubuntustudio?
20:54:48  * janjimusptfajar 04:00 AM here
20:54:55  * lotusleaf gives coffee to Belutz
20:55:02 < Belutz> lotusleaf, thanks
20:55:12 < lotusleaf> :)
20:55:47 < joejaxx> can someone relay questions once we start the q+a after the introduction of the project?
20:55:54  * corevette is here also
20:55:58 < lotusleaf> Belutz: I added some habanero juice to it
20:55:58  * janjimusptfajar give nice girl to Belutz :D
20:55:59 < Belutz> janjimusptfajar, i only sleep for 4 hours yesterday
20:55:59 < Belutz> s/sleep/slept
20:56:37 < Belutz> joejaxx, i'll try to do it
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20:56:44 < joejaxx> Belutz: ok thanks
20:56:57 < janjimusptfajar> Belutz: woooww... what your secret to do that?
20:56:59 < Belutz> joejaxx, hopes it makes me awake
20:57:10 < joejaxx> :)
20:57:24 < joejaxx> ok i think it is time to start
20:57:25 < Belutz> janjimusptfajar, the ubuntu spirit keeps me awake :D
20:57:27 < isti> i think ubuntu is ok
20:57:44 < joejaxx> Hello Everyone i am Joe Jaxx the technical lead for the Ubuntu Studio project
20:58:05 < isti> linux is 10000000000 better than windows
20:58:05  * janjimusptfajar looking my wife sleeping... 8|
20:58:07 < joejaxx> _MMA_ who is the project lead could not make it today and asked if i could lead the session in his stead
20:58:12 < joejaxx> leads*
20:58:39 < joejaxx> i will give a little background about the project
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20:59:13 < joejaxx> Ubuntu Studio originally started as a concept from a wiki that was started
20:59:45 < joejaxx> to give users how tos on setting up an audio studio environment on their ubuntu workstations
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21:00:42 < joejaxx> a small group of people came together with this similar concept of actually creating a ubuntu flavour geared toward multimedia creation
21:01:34 < joejaxx> from what started as a chain mailing list, has created a full fledge Ubuntu "remix" geared towards giving ubuntu users
21:01:54 < joejaxx> the tools they need to expand their creativity when dealing with multimedia
21:02:14 < isti> what is the best game for Linux ?
21:02:22 < tsmithe> isti, not in here please :)
21:02:35 < isti> ok
21:02:42 < isti> i am sorry
21:02:55 < joejaxx> In doing this we have created three "categories" that Ubuntu Studio aims at (or types of users)
21:03:04 < joejaxx> Audio, Graphical and Video
21:03:26 < joejaxx> we provide different tools that benefit the user the best in each category
21:04:04 < joejaxx> for example in the audio category
21:04:21 < joejaxx> we provide ardour2 rosegarden jackd
21:04:41 < joejaxx> we also provide a lowlatency kernel (thanks BenC :) )
21:04:50 < isti> what could i ask here =)
21:05:16 < Belutz> isti, ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
21:06:11 < joejaxx> We also try and work closely with upstream
21:06:13 < isti> no i mean whats the tema
21:06:54 < joejaxx> and this method works very well as people are happy to contribute to something that is benenficial to people
21:07:07 < joejaxx> concerning their software creation
21:07:26 < isti> oh good
21:07:39 < joejaxx> We are also about staying close to the Ubuntu community as much as possible and giving back to it
21:08:32 < isti> could you tell me what ubuntu studio is ? (sorry i do not now about that)
21:08:57 < joejaxx> We are comprised of a diverse group of individuals all working towards the same purpose
21:09:00 < Belutz> isti, please ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
21:09:02 < troy_s> ISTI -- READ THE WIKI -- Quiet during presentation.  Thank you.
21:09:08 < joejaxx> our team list is located here
21:09:11 < joejaxx>
21:09:23 < isti> thanks
21:09:59 < joejaxx> The packages that we include in each of the categories of creativity are included here
21:10:44 < isti> i read it comes this april
21:11:14 < tsmithe> isti, this is not the place. #ubuntu-classroom-chat
21:11:32 < tsmithe> you've been referred there many times now :)
21:11:41 < isti> oh i am so sorry
21:11:46 < joejaxx>  This is our wiki page in case you want to read up some more about that project
21:11:48 < isti> ok
21:11:55 < joejaxx> it is currently under heavy maintenance though
21:12:17 < joejaxx> So that is what the Ubuntu Studio Project is about
21:12:45 < joejaxx> expanding multimedia creativity through ubuntu :)
21:13:12 < dave_> I have been really excited about about ubuntustudio, could you tell me more about the development of the lowlatency rt kernel ??
21:13:39 < corevette> dave_ ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
21:13:40 < Belutz> dave, please ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
21:13:53 < joejaxx> ok now the Q+A session
21:14:09 < Belutz> <awkorama> QUESTION: What NLE video programs do u provide?
21:14:51 < dave_> nobody is in ubuntu classroom chat !!
21:15:14 < jussi01> dave_: read the wiki please!!
21:15:53 < joejaxx> we current include kino
21:15:59 < joejaxx> as a non linear editor
21:16:26 < janjimusptfajar> where is ops? where i must write my question? here or in classroom-chat?
21:16:42 < Belutz> <janjimusptfajar> QUESTION: What minimum requirement to run this
21:17:17 < joejaxx> janjimusptfajar: the minimum requirements would be the same as ubuntu
21:17:19 < joejaxx> but
21:17:33 < joejaxx> when you are doing multitrack audio recording
21:17:39 < joejaxx> and video rendering
21:17:49 < joejaxx> those require high requirements
21:18:14 < joejaxx> it really depends on what level of usage you plan with Ubuntu Studio
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21:18:35 <@Belutz> <lotusleaf> QUESTION: Does Ubuntu Studio provide an easy way for the user to enable MIDI without digging through documentation? If not, will it?
21:18:36 < tsmithe> and some midi features by default require a hardware synthesizer, or the installation of timidity and configuration of the daemon (/etc/default/timidity)
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21:19:21 <@tsmithe> lotusleaf, as i said in -chat (and i'd like to reiterate here, joejaxx ;) ): some midi features by default require a hardware synthesizer, or the installation of timidity and configuration of the daemon (/etc/default/timidity)
21:19:41 <@tsmithe> i'd be unsure as to why any hardware sequencers should not just work if alsa provides support
21:20:18 <@joejaxx> yes
21:20:25 <@Belutz> <janjimusptfajar> QUESTION: WHEN it will released?
21:20:38 <@joejaxx> janjimusptfajar: we get this question alot
21:21:22 <@joejaxx> the Ubuntu Studio release has been delayed and we have not set a release date yet pending this circumstances that have come up
21:22:24 <@joejaxx> it will be released when ready :)
21:22:32 <@joejaxx> it will be worth the wait
21:22:41 <@joejaxx> i assure you
21:23:07 <@joejaxx> even with the discs
21:23:13 <@joejaxx> at the end of the installation
21:23:32 <@joejaxx> you will be able to choose "your path" or the categories that you want installed
21:23:49 <@joejaxx> either one a combination or all (audio, graphical, video)
21:24:05 <@joejaxx> :)
21:24:43 <@Belutz> <dave_> I have been really excited about about ubuntustudio, could you tell me more about the development of the lowlatency rt kernel ??
21:25:14 <@joejaxx> yes right now we have a lowlatency kernel which has an adjusted timer
21:25:19 <@joejaxx> and some other tweaks
21:25:26 <@joejaxx> (thanks again BenC )
21:25:36 <@Belutz> <janjimusptfajar> QUESTION: how about license?
21:26:18 <@joejaxx> we will also be trying to get a full RT in but that will happen after the release
21:26:33 <@joejaxx> we will release the discs with the lowlatency kernel
21:26:52 <@joejaxx> and re roll the discs with the RT one after some testing is done on it
21:27:47 <@joejaxx> for feisty that is :)
21:27:49 <@joejaxx> Gutsy will have a RT kernel
21:28:12 <@tsmithe> thanks BenC :P
21:28:17 <@joejaxx> :)
21:28:33 <@Belutz> <janjimusptfajar> QUESTION: how about license?
21:29:25 <@joejaxx> we use the Ubuntu lowlatency kernel :P
21:29:35 <@joejaxx> so it is licensed as Ubuntu has
21:29:52 <@tsmithe> everything we take from ubuntu has the same licence
21:29:57 <@joejaxx> yeap
21:30:01 <@tsmithe> each of our own packages has its own licence
21:30:10 <@tsmithe> and you should look into that through the normal channels
21:30:24 <@joejaxx> ok next question as there is quite a long queue
21:30:28 <@Belutz> <Daviey> QUESTION:  What repo are you trying to get your stuff into?  Universe or your own?
21:30:43 <@joejaxx> regarding the repository
21:31:14 <@joejaxx> we are trying (going back to our being involved in the ubuntu community) to get everything into universe
21:31:56 <@joejaxx> only thing that are essential and cannot go into universe not because of licensing but because of packaging issues will go into our repository
21:32:10 <@Belutz> <ditsch> QUESTION: Does the studio support restricted formats such as mp3 by default?
21:32:37 <@joejaxx> no we do not include anything that ubuntu does regarding restricted formats
21:32:42 <@tsmithe> we use the same infrastructure as ubuntu to handle codecs :)
21:32:44 <@joejaxx> does not*
21:32:48 <@joejaxx> yes
21:32:59 <@joejaxx> :)
21:33:07 <@Belutz> <Sanne> QUESTION: will Ubuntu Studio support the same architectures as the main repositories (especially amd64)?
21:33:14 <@tsmithe> ditsch, (so easy-codec-installation should still apply where it does in ubuntu feisty)
21:33:30 <@joejaxx> right now we are supporting only i386 but do not fear
21:33:40 <@joejaxx> we are heavy looking into amd64
21:33:44 <@joejaxx> heavily*
21:33:55 <@joejaxx> since alot of people use those as audio workstations
21:33:59 <@joejaxx> and video as well
21:34:14 <@Belutz> <janjimusptfajar> QUESTION: where is i can find the screenshot? the link in the website is not work
21:35:12 <@joejaxx> janjimusptfajar: i do not think we have released a full screenshot to my knowledge
21:35:21 <@joejaxx> i might be mistaken
21:35:35 <@joejaxx> fullscreen screenshot* that is
21:35:44 <@tsmithe> if joejaxx is, then the website is undergoing some changes, and this may have disrupted it
21:35:46 -!- Topic for #ubuntu-classroom: Welcome to the Ubuntu Open Week || SCHEDULE: - SCHEDULE CHANGES, PLEASE SEE THE TIMETABLE || RULES: Please respect them || LOGS: || Ask questions and chat in #ubuntu-classroom-chat, "QUESTION: <insert question here> | CURRENT SESSION: Ubuntu Accessibility - Henrik Nilson Omma
21:35:46 -!- Topic set by PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] [Sat Apr 28 18:59:06 2007]
21:35:50 <@tsmithe> *minor changes
21:35:57 <@joejaxx> yes
21:36:12 <@Belutz> <nothlit> QUESTION: kino? What about cinelerra?
21:36:20 <@joejaxx> ok here we go :)
21:36:30 <@tsmithe> finally! :P
21:36:41 <@joejaxx> We are looking heavily into Cinelerra and into packaging it
21:36:49 <@joejaxx> there are a couple of problems though
21:37:02 <@tsmithe> couple!!
21:37:02 <@joejaxx> the main one is ALOT of the source does not state the license
21:37:09 <@joejaxx> tsmithe: :P
21:37:21 <@joejaxx> we need to go through the source manually
21:37:31 <@joejaxx> and confirm the source for each file
21:37:33 <@joejaxx> bah
21:37:36 <@joejaxx> license*
21:37:44 <@joejaxx> confirm the license*
21:37:58 <@joejaxx> this really needs to be a community effort
21:38:02 <@tsmithe> is our method, and upstream is also catching on to the importance
21:38:11 <@joejaxx> and we would like people to help
21:38:34 <@Belutz> <BHSPitMonkey> QUESTION: Besides simply shipping with a few relevant media programs, what does Ubuntu Studio as a project really entail?
21:38:40 <@joejaxx> another issue is Sources being licensed wrongly
21:38:52 <@Belutz> (oops too fast)
21:38:59 <@joejaxx> Security updates is an issue as well
21:39:15 <@joejaxx> as Cinelerra uses a modified version of fmpeg
21:39:17 <@joejaxx> ffmpeg*
21:39:39 <@tsmithe> amongst other libraries
21:39:43 <@tsmithe> (quicktime etc etc)
21:39:47 <@joejaxx> and using the ubuntu ones would probably hinder some of the functionality
21:39:56 <@joejaxx> so we need to look more into that issue
21:40:31 <@tsmithe> help out!
21:40:34 <@joejaxx> we would really like the community to help us AND upstream with CinelerraCV
21:40:42 <@joejaxx> it would really make a differnece
21:40:45 <@joejaxx> difference*
21:40:48  * joejaxx cannot type today
21:40:54 <@tsmithe> upstream need motivation, really
21:41:00 <@joejaxx> yes
21:41:05 <@tsmithe> pressure is a good motivator :P
21:41:13 <@joejaxx> people helping == upstream motivation :)
21:42:08 <@tsmithe> i suggest if you want to help out, you come chat in #ubuntustudio, and read the spec
21:42:48 <@joejaxx> ok next question
21:42:54 <@Belutz> <BHSPitMonkey> QUESTION: Besides simply shipping with a few relevant media programs, what does Ubuntu Studio as a project really entail?
21:43:20 <@joejaxx> besides having everything in a nice package
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21:43:30 <@joejaxx> Ubuntu Studio is a community
21:43:59 <@joejaxx> a community of those who share creavitive and artistic abilities and love ubuntu at the same time
21:44:13 <@joejaxx> we have an irc channel which is #ubuntustudio
21:44:24 <@joejaxx> and we will soon have a ubuntu studio section on the ubuntu forums
21:44:48 <@joejaxx> we are really about ubuntu and community that is our main focus
21:44:50 <@joejaxx> :)
21:44:53 <@tsmithe> and we will be working hard to make multimedia production on ubuntu rock!
21:44:57 <@joejaxx> yes
21:45:01 <@joejaxx> most definitely
21:45:04 <@tsmithe> (and as ubuntu develops, we will rocket after :D)
21:45:09 <@joejaxx> :)
21:45:13 <@joejaxx> next question
21:45:26 <@Belutz> <Sanne> QUESTION: will there be restricted drivers for the Ubuntu Studio Kernel?
21:45:30 <@tsmithe> yes
21:45:43 <@Belutz> <Daviey> QUESTION: Are the post-install options part of ubiquity or a separate app?
21:45:48 <@joejaxx> ok
21:45:53 <@joejaxx> about that
21:46:03 <@joejaxx> we will only be shipping text installer cds
21:46:22 <@joejaxx> the reason being there is not much to "try out" if there were a livecd
21:46:27 <@joejaxx> as most stuff is backend
21:46:37 <@joejaxx> (lowlatency kernel etc)
21:47:09 <@tsmithe> ie it's best run from the hd, and we don't want to roll hundreds of test cds, and separate out audio/video/graphics tasks etc etc
21:47:22 <@joejaxx> and i do not think you could do an Audio session or video editting on a livecd  (well you could but it would be a hassle: ie mounting a partition/external hard drive)
21:47:54 <@joejaxx> it would not be wise to do that off a livecd that is
21:48:15 <@joejaxx> the options would be right at the end of the text installer
21:48:21 <@joejaxx> right after it installed the base
21:48:23 <@joejaxx> :)
21:48:29 <@joejaxx> next question
21:48:33 <@Belutz> <Sanne> QUESTION: will it be possible to install some apps from Ubuntu Studio into standard *buntu?
21:48:40 <@joejaxx> yes
21:48:52 <@joejaxx> we utilize the ubuntu repository for 96% of everything
21:49:01 <@Belutz> <fiddler59> when are the ubuntustudio meta pkgs to be updated in the repos ??
21:49:12 <@tsmithe> that other 4% of all the packages is drawn from the ether
21:49:20 <@joejaxx> the other 4% is stuff that could not be included in universe because of freeze policies
21:49:30 <@joejaxx> or packaging issues
21:49:49 <@joejaxx> fiddler59: yes i will be submitting a bug update for them soon
21:50:07 <@Belutz> <bobmachine111> QUESTION: What about support? I know its based off of Feisty, but I tried DeMude a while back and I couldnt update without destroying a vast array of packages. Basically what I was told by DeMude support was, I had to use what DeMude came with. How will this compare to that situation?
21:50:40 <@joejaxx> we will be trusting in ourselves and the ubuntu studio community for support
21:50:56 <@joejaxx> as we cannot ourselves answer a 1000 questions
21:51:02 <@joejaxx> but if the ubuntu studio community helps
21:51:17 <@joejaxx> we can all share knowledge and answer questions
21:51:43 <@joejaxx> #ubuntustudio will be for support questions after release (not yet though)
21:51:55 <@joejaxx> and we will have the ubuntu studio section on the forums :)
21:52:29 <@joejaxx> we will try and answer ubuntu studio related questions according
21:52:30 <@joejaxx> :)
21:52:37 <@joejaxx> next question?
21:52:47 <@Belutz> <octoberdan> QUESTION: What will be the default window manager?
21:52:55 <@joejaxx> we use Gnome
21:53:06 <@Belutz> <cedrick> what version of alsa you incorpore ?
21:53:38 <@joejaxx> 1.0.13
21:53:54 <@Belutz> <illu45> QUESTION: Do you plan on having tutorials/lectures for people interested in learning how to use some of the programs you plan to include in UbuntuStudio
21:54:12 <@joejaxx> that has been discussed but only lightly
21:54:26 <@joejaxx> we will probably be discussing more about that in the future within the team
21:54:53 <@joejaxx> next question?
21:55:00 <@Belutz> <fiddler59> Question: Something that is missing in most Multimedia dist is a complete alsa firmware install.....I always have to compile from source to get my Echo layla up and running....Will Ubuntustudio have a complete alsa firmware installed ??
21:55:11 <@tsmithe> illu45, documentation (as that is basically what that amounts to) is an awful lot of work :)
21:55:58 <@joejaxx> no not by default
21:56:09 <@joejaxx> but we are planning to have it in our repository
21:56:24 <@Belutz> <popey> QUESTION: Will you also be able to just apt-get the meta package and you're done? like you can switch from ubuntu to kubuntu by getting kubuntu-desktop?
21:56:34 <@joejaxx> yes
21:56:47 <@joejaxx> you will be able to apt-get install ubunstudio-desktop
21:56:48 <@Belutz> <sletz> QUESION: any plan to package jackdmp (jack for multi-core machine) at some point?
21:56:55 <@joejaxx> but that will only have desktop
21:57:05 <@joejaxx> you will also have to choose which paths you wany
21:57:07 <@joejaxx> want*
21:57:12 <@joejaxx> and apt-get install accordingly
21:57:26 <@joejaxx> ie ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-graphics ubuntunstudio-video etc
21:57:51 <@joejaxx> sletz: we have not actually discussed that before
21:58:06 <@joejaxx> but we can definitely look into discussing it for the gutsy release
21:58:25 <@joejaxx> next question we have 2 minutes left :P
21:58:30  * tsmithe thinks we'd need some kind of multicore detection infrastructure. and easy way would be to look in /proc, but i'm sure hal provides this too
21:58:33 <@Belutz> <bobmachine111> A little off subject. But do any of the included packages use vst plug ins (Windows cross-over office ish type question)?
21:59:00 <@joejaxx> btw if your question is not asnwered here i will be in #ubuntustudio to continue this after our time if up
21:59:06 <@joejaxx> bobmachine111: no they do not
21:59:15 <@Belutz> <octoberdan> QUESTION: Can you chose more then one path?
21:59:18 <@joejaxx> bobmachine111: the license of the vst-sdk prevents us from distributing it
21:59:23 <@joejaxx> octoberdan: yes you can
21:59:30 <@Belutz> <fiddler59> Question: Will you have Ardour rc2 or wait for Ardour2 final ??
21:59:31 <@joejaxx> octoberdan: you can choose any combination
21:59:49 <@joejaxx> fiddler59: we have Ardour rc2 in our repository now
21:59:59 <@joejaxx> if Aroud 2 is released between this release
22:00:07 <@joejaxx> and the disc reroll we will probably include it
22:00:14 <@joejaxx> ardour2*
22:00:39 <@joejaxx> alright our time if up
22:00:43 <@Belutz> joejaxx, care for 1 other question?
22:00:49  * tsmithe would like to point out that we'll also be hosting alsa-firmwares in the repository
22:00:53 <@joejaxx> Thank you for coming by :) i will be in #ubuntustudio for anymore questions
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22:01:07 <@joejaxx> Belutz: well i guess it is up to the next person in line
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