LP_LaunchpadQA2
Ubuntu Open Week - Launchpad Q&A - Kiko - Thu, Oct 25, 2007
see also Tuesday session.
18:57 -!- popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Open Week info: Information and Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Ubuntu classroom transcripts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts | Please ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat not here | Current Session: Launchpad Q&A - Kiko 18:57 -!- mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+v kiko] by popey 18:57 -!- mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-v mwhudson] by popey 18:59 -!- mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o popey] by popey 19:00 -!- mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o Daviey] by ChanServ 19:10 <+kiko> good afternoon 19:10 <+kiko> and welcome to Launchpad Q&A! 19:10 <+kiko> this is my second session this week. it's raining for the first time in weeks and my hands are a bit cold, so my typing may not be up to par, but that may mean I get to think more about my answers. 19:11 <+kiko> the protocol is as follows 19:11 <+kiko> you ask a question on #ubuntu-classroot-chat 19:11 <+kiko> I'll paste it in here 19:11 <+kiko> and provide a reply. I get extra points if it's a good reply. if it's a bad reply I don't get to do UOW next time around! 19:12 <+kiko> (some people seem less than entertained by that) 19:12 <+kiko> so we'll need some questions in order for me to answer 19:13 * kiko fishes for questions 19:14 <+kiko> hard fishing 19:15 <+kiko> <Daviey> [QUESTION] Is there much chance of LP becoming opensource soon. There are some (basic) features I would love to add, but are not really importiant enough for a LP dev to work on? Thanks 19:15 <+kiko> good question. 19:15 <+kiko> and how soon is soon? 19:16 <+kiko> I can say it's not going to happen in the next six months. there is a lot of code to sort out and there are canonical-related bits that need porting 19:16 <@Daviey> porting out or in? 19:16 <+kiko> porting out, and to other systems. 19:16 <@Daviey> Thanks 19:17 <+kiko> there's a matter of licensing: we would like to release as a completely free license, but some people are concerned that others would just fork launchpad and the value to users would be diminished 19:17 <+kiko> nobody has found a good answer or justification to that problem, so we're still discussing 19:17 <@Daviey> Is this discussion open? 19:17 <+kiko> if you have a smart idea to help there, please talk to me! 19:18 <+kiko> it's only happened in person-to-person emails, but we're all willing to discuss it 19:18 <@Daviey> I consider my question well answered.. Thats 10 points :) 19:18 <+kiko> it's not a taboo subject. just one that is hard! 19:18 <+kiko> thanks for asking it. 19:19 <+kiko> edenbeast> on bug tracking if one project is selected but no project name is filled in could you make it so that it then considers it as 'all projects' :P 19:19 <+kiko> that was a suggestion, but.. hard fishing, and it's an interesting one. 19:19 <+kiko> if I understand it right. 19:19 <+kiko> edenbeast, where do you mean "if one project is selected"? 19:19 <+kiko> <giftnudel> QUESTION: Is there an easy way to search for old bug reports by age, even if there is the janitor now? 19:20 <+kiko> excellent question. 19:20 <+kiko> giftnudel, yes. select "Oldest first" as the order when searching for bugs. 19:20 < giftnudel> ah ok, I didn't know that existed, thanks 19:21 <+kiko> giftnudel, for instance: ... 19:21 <+kiko> http://tinyurl.com/26vv4v 19:21 <+kiko> there you go. 19:21 <+kiko> the other sorting options for bug listings are fun, try them out. 19:21 <+kiko> there's "recently changed" too 19:22 <+kiko> giftnudel, (under the covers it just sorts by ID ASC <wink>) 19:22 <+kiko> <edenbeast> QUESTION: "some people are concerned that others would just fork launchpad and the value to users would be diminished" isn't forking the value of open source in a sense? One size doesn't fit all? How do you see this as a problem? 19:22 <+kiko> that's a great question too. 19:22 <+kiko> here's my opinion. 19:23 <+kiko> forking is a great value of open source, but it's of /most/ value when it's software that /you/ will run 19:23 <+kiko> it's less value if you could fork, say, google's search code. 19:23 <+kiko> if you are not going to set up the solid infrastructure, then it's not so useful to be able to fork the code 19:24 <+kiko> now in launchpad, there is an additional, greater concern 19:24 <+kiko> which is that launchpad benefits users the most because of network effects 19:24 <+kiko> having projects together sharing information: bugs, translations, questions, code 19:24 <+kiko> if you fork launchpad and run myownlaunchpad.net 19:24 <+kiko> then that benefit is gone 19:25 <+kiko> some have argued that a federated system would be better 19:25 <+kiko> but I don't think that is actually a certainty 19:25 <+kiko> and it is definitely not what launchpad is today 19:25 <+kiko> making launchpad federated is a much larger proposal, and the engineering work to do that is significant 19:26 <+kiko> to fork launchpad without there being the ability to federate would be less useful to end-users 19:26 <+kiko> and that's what I care the most about 19:26 <+kiko> <Daviey> [QUESTION] Do you happen to know how many registered users LP has? Thanks 19:26 <+kiko> great question. I do, and you do too (I think) 19:26 * kiko runs for a url 19:26 <+kiko> -> https://edge.launchpad.net/people 19:27 <+kiko> expand the Statistics portlet 19:27 <+kiko> There are currently 1373464 people and 1484 teams registered in Launchpad. 19:27 <+kiko> that's a lot of people 19:27 <+kiko> one observation: people requesting shipit CDs also register in launchpad 19:27 <@Daviey> Thanks! didn't know about /people 19:27 <+kiko> so a lot of that volume comes from there. 19:27 <+kiko> yeah, /people is a closely guarded secret 19:27 <+kiko> hmmm 19:28 <+kiko> no, in fact, that's a bug. :) 19:28 <+kiko> <giftnudel> QUESTION: Is there a an easy way to find all the tags when trying to categorize a bug, like a drop down list? Or do I need to know them by heart (or read them before)? 19:28 <+kiko> there is an easy way. but I'll let you in on a secret. it's horrible. :) 19:28 <+kiko> giftnudel, just visit the project's bugs home page -- bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu -- and expand the Tags portlet 19:29 < giftnudel> Please, think of the children! 19:29 < giftnudel> ok, so not easier than that :) 19:29 <+kiko> not easier than that /yet/ 19:29 <+kiko> so one thing that I've been trying to convince BjornT to do 19:29 <+kiko> is to implement something called "official bug tags" 19:29 <+kiko> official bug tags would be tags blessed by project owners 19:30 <+kiko> they would be available as a list in bug +edit pages 19:30 <+kiko> and they would be listed preferentially in that tags portlet 19:30 <+kiko> that would make tags much more useful IMO 19:30 < giftnudel> that would be wonderful 19:30 <+kiko> but he is still ignoring me. :) 19:30 < giftnudel> now you have a supporter 19:31 <@Daviey> +1 19:31 <+kiko> BjornT, I have an army now ^^ 19:33 <+kiko> I need to fish for more questions 19:33 <+kiko> <edenbeast> QUESTION: would adding a 'tagcloud' system to launchpad bug tracker make sense, so that you could check out other bugs related to a certain subject e.g. kubuntu-7.10 or x-server? 19:33 <+kiko> hmmm. 19:34 <+kiko> so I'm unsure if you mean a global tagcloud, or if you're thinking of one inside a certain project, say, Ubuntu. 19:34 <+kiko> if it's a global tagcloud, I'm not sure that would be that useful 19:34 <+kiko> because tags are kind of specific to the project they are in (even though the bug is shared) 19:34 <+kiko> if it's an Ubuntu tagcloud 19:34 <+kiko> well 19:34 <+kiko> that's giftnudel's question above 19:35 <+kiko> though right now the rendering is scary :) 19:35 <+kiko> <giftnudel> QUESTION: Is there or will there be a personal homepage that has links to all active projects, so I don't have keep my bookmarks in my browser? Like a activity page or so, that I can customize to have the important projects, bugs, answers in one place. Not splattered around in different subscribed places. 19:36 <+kiko> well, I have launchpad.net/~kiko 19:36 <+kiko> that is more or less a homepage, and an activity page 19:37 <+kiko> that can move in that direction -- definitely. but file bugs for things that are missing that would make sense there without cluttering. 19:38 < giftnudel> The thing is there is a lot of my ideas in /~user, but normally, what I'm interested in is always hidden in 2 to 3 links, which takes a while to get through 19:39 <+kiko> giftnudel, what things are those? 19:40 < giftnudel> The bug I subscribed three bugs before, and that kind (it always moves out of focus just when I need it, I think,- but that might be murphy) 19:41 <+kiko> if there are bugs that we can concretely fix to improve the page (without making it into an encyclopedia of everything giftnudel) then we can and will do it 19:41 < giftnudel> ok, I need to think about that than 19:41 < giftnudel> *then 19:42 < gord> question: are there any plans to add rss support to launchpad (especially the answer tracker), its easier than forwarding *every* question/answer to your mailbox... 19:42 <+kiko> gord, yes, that's a task of the Feeds project! 19:43 <+kiko> it's one of the big things for early 2008 19:43 <+kiko> RSS feeds of bugs and answers. 19:43 < gord> phew, i mentioned it to mark aages ago but my mailbox is starting to have heart attacks from it ;) 19:43 <+kiko> we're doing it 19:44 <+kiko> stay tuned. talk to statik or flacoste about it when you can! 19:44 <+kiko> <edenbeast> QUESTION: as soon as you're in a bug/project (e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/blubuntu/) you must go to Home and then to Bugs to go back to the search without going back in the browser, could you add another part of the breadcrumb above? (e.g. home>Bugs>blubuntu) 19:45 <+kiko> hmmmm 19:45 <+kiko> what sort of search are you doing edenbeast? 19:45 <+kiko> across different projects? 19:46 <+kiko> <Daviey> [Question] Where can i find support on PPA issues? 19:47 <+kiko> on #launchpad, and on the launchpad-users mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admin/launchpad-users 19:47 <+kiko> ask me! I'll help out. 19:47 <@Daviey> sounds good - i'll grab you tommorow.. thanks 19:47 <+kiko> edenbeast, wow. very few people actually search across all projects; that's an interesting use case we haven't thought of much 19:48 <+kiko> <pwnguin> QUESTION: i missed the first bit of this session, so apologies if its already been addressed -- How is Ubuntu faring in terms of bugs reported, bugs fixed etc? 19:48 <+kiko> great question 19:48 <+kiko> so I keep graphs of bugs filed across time 19:48 <+kiko> I'll disclose one to you. hang on. 19:49 <+kiko> async.com.br/~kiko/bugs.png 19:49 <+kiko> and another one on bug tags 19:49 <+kiko> async.com.br/~kiko/bugtags.png 19:49 < pwnguin> sounds like a LP feature request in the making ;) 19:49 <+kiko> the bugtags graph makes it easy to see where the release was 19:49 <+kiko> note however that the number of open bugs didn't jump so much 19:50 <+kiko> the answer there is that we did /amazingly/ well this cycle 19:50 <+kiko> normally there is a big ramp-up of bugs for a release 19:52 < pwnguin> is that reported bugs or bugs open? 19:55 <+kiko> bugs in total 19:55 <+kiko> bugs open follows that more or less 19:55 <+kiko> <giftnudel> QUESTION: How can I merge identities? There used to be a "this is me" button, where has it gone? 19:55 <+kiko> well 19:55 <+kiko> it's still here, but it only appears when the account isn't activated 19:55 <+kiko> if both accounts are activated 19:55 <+kiko> then: 19:55 <+kiko> http://launchpad.net/people 19:55 <+kiko> (again) 19:55 <+kiko> and Merge accounts! 19:56 < giftnudel> ah, thanks 19:56 <+kiko> <Daviey> [Question] Care to share how you made the graph? So we can use it for other projects we 'own'? 19:57 <+kiko> Daviey, I could tell you but.. 19:57 <+kiko> we have a scary hacked-up cricket instance 19:57 <+kiko> that runs queries and graphs them 19:57 <+kiko> it is really not a pretty sight 19:57 <+kiko> we need better querying but so far have been unable to prioritize this work 19:57 <+kiko> it would be very cool to have a +graphs page 19:59 <@Daviey> thanks 20:01 <+kiko> <pwnguin> QUESTION: any eta on linking bugs to savannah? 20:02 <+kiko> yes. 20:02 <+kiko> this should be handled in the next 2 months 20:02 <+kiko> it's been a lot of work to get watches fixed up until now 20:02 <+kiko> but we're in good shape a 20:02 <+kiko> nd more improvements are now easier. 20:02 <+kiko> <imbrandon> QUESTION: Did PPA package removal get pushed back from going into edge or am i missing something on the new UI 20:03 <+kiko> well 20:03 <+kiko> we rolled out today, so edge has been resynced 20:03 <+kiko> howeve 20:03 <+kiko> r 20:03 <+kiko> package removals are only available through admin requests right now 20:03 <+kiko> we will have UI for them later this cycle, on edge. 20:03 < imbrandon> ahh ok thanks , great , i've been looking forward to it 20:03 <+kiko> yep 20:04 <+kiko> me too! it has eaten up three nights of mine reviewing the code 20:04 < imbrandon> heh 20:05 <+kiko> <imbrandon> QUESTION: followup, will the package removal be remove source and all resulting binarys or can we cherry pick ? 20:05 <+kiko> quick answer: source and all resulting binaries 20:06 <+kiko> <Daviey> [Question] Just a general interest question - How many hosts is LP? Including webserving and database? 20:06 <+kiko> hmmm. let me count. 20:06 <+kiko> I think it's 14 20:06 <+kiko> let me confirm... 20:07 < nithinkumary2k> [question] can I upgrade to 7.10 if iam running on 6.10 20:07 <@Daviey> nithinkumary2k: Can you keep questions to #ubuntu-classroom-chat. Thanks 20:07 <+kiko> 12 only apparently. 20:07 <+kiko> so there you go :-) 20:08 <+kiko> there are a few machines that are support services: carbon, asuka, mawson 20:08 <@Daviey> kiko: If you happen to know, how many of those are webserving and how many DB? 20:09 <+kiko> only one is DB, really 20:09 <+kiko> 4 app servers 20:09 <@Daviey> Thanks 20:09 <+kiko> and a front-end load-balancer 20:09 <+kiko> there are quite a few dedicated boxes for certain services 20:09 <+kiko> thanks to everyone that asked questions 20:09 <+kiko> I might be invited again! 20:09 * kiko waves 20:09 * popey waves 20:09 < giftnudel> *me waves back 20:09 <@Daviey> No.. Thank you for answering them! 20:10 <@Daviey> 3 Cheers for kiko. Hip Hip 20:10 < popey> Moo! 20:10 <+kiko> moo? 20:10 < popey> Moo 20:10 < harkonen> apt-get moo 20:10 <+kiko> moo then. 20:10 * kiko waves
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