This is the 7th meeting of the NewYorkTeam, starting at 6:00 PM EST and finishing at 7:30 EST When adding agenda items please "sign" them, place @SIG@ after each of your items.If you won't be in attendance, please describe your item and wishes in detail otherwise those items may not be effectively discussed.

Agenda

The meeting will start off with an Introduction of Members where we will welcome people to the meeting. The following Topics will then be discussed.

• Announcements
• Discuss Major issues

  • Release Party - NYC & Rochester

  • Increase Attendance at meetings
  • Improve management of mailing List
  • Improve management of wiki
• Open Discussion (Ubuntu Related Topics)
• Wrap up and goals for next meeting

Minutes

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(06:09:02 PM) yharrow: wow, we have a very good attendance today
(06:09:43 PM) samiam010203: were getting nice and big yharrow
(06:09:53 PM) yharrow:  Hey everyone, and Welcome to the New York teams 7th General Meeting.
(06:09:59 PM) yharrow: samiam010203: ya
(06:10:15 PM) ***yharrow waits for applause
(06:10:22 PM) yharrow: ;)
(06:10:25 PM) ***hendrixski applauds
(06:10:35 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: I don't think we have VoIP here. ;)
(06:10:55 PM) cyrusjones: ausimage: this is the captcha I was talking about
(06:10:57 PM) cyrusjones: http://www.mehrayeen.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup
(06:11:08 PM) yharrow: Zyrshnikashnu: we actually do have a voip/conference system inthe workings
(06:11:26 PM) yharrow: Zyrshnikashnu: we will probably hold a voice meeting once a month
(06:11:33 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: :o
(06:12:08 PM) yharrow: thanks to GNu_Joe i beleive for introducing the idea, and for helping us follow through with that
(06:12:13 PM) hendrixski: I still haven't tried Ekiga on Ubuntu, is that what we would use?
(06:12:27 PM) cyrusjones: what about twinkle
(06:12:36 PM) yharrow: hendrixski: personally Ihave an easier time with gizmo and skype
(06:12:50 PM) samiam010203: skype would be best i think yharrow
(06:12:56 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: never heard of twinkle. I will probably check it out a bit later
(06:13:02 PM) ***GNu_Joe wakes up and streaches 
(06:13:03 PM) cyrusjones: I love twinkle, it lets me transfer and have multiple lines in my gizmo account
(06:13:18 PM) yharrow: samiam010203: even though its closed source, I tend to agree with you
(06:13:19 PM) cyrusjones: which doesn't have those features it's program
(06:13:23 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: I'm not sure if my cam/mic is still installed. I had a hard time doing it the first time.
(06:13:25 PM) samiam010203: true
(06:13:35 PM) yharrow: ok.. so announcements for today
(06:13:37 PM) yharrow: lets see
(06:13:51 PM) cyrusjones: i disagree and say gizmo might be good cause at least we stick with SIP standard
(06:14:30 PM) yharrow: ok..
(06:14:35 PM) GNu_Joe: sticking with a standard like SIP is important
(06:14:40 PM) yharrow: first off, I would like to welcome all new members
(06:15:43 PM) yharrow: hmm
(06:16:21 PM) ***Zyrshnikashnu waits patiently
(06:16:43 PM) yharrow: Im hesitant to tell hendrixski and Zyrshnikashnu  "welcome to the team" since theyve done so much work in the time theyve been here
(06:16:52 PM) hendrixski: lol
(06:16:52 PM) yharrow: sorry guys, just focusing my thoughts here
(06:17:25 PM) hendrixski: 's Ok
(06:17:31 PM) yharrow: ok.. as for those for those of you who are unaware there is a release party coming
(06:17:37 PM) samiam010203: did we decide on a spot for the release party yet yharrow?
(06:17:39 PM) hendrixski: plural
(06:17:40 PM) ausimage: yharrow you know you pretype your speeches ;)
(06:17:54 PM) yharrow: sorry, 2 release parties
(06:17:58 PM) yharrow: ausimage: how did you find out?
(06:18:07 PM) yharrow: ausimage: that was supposed to be my little secret ;)
(06:18:14 PM) ***Azbadon thinks yharrow is a bot~
(06:18:18 PM) yharrow: lmao
(06:18:48 PM) yharrow: Azbadon: Free chili. go to http://getfreechili, to order your chili today!
(06:18:59 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: The only other op IS a bot...
(06:19:17 PM) Azbadon: So it only makes sense!
(06:19:19 PM) hendrixski: those bots, they're taking over
(06:19:19 PM) Azbadon: Anyways....
(06:19:20 PM) yharrow: the release parties will be held in 2 sepearate locations
(06:19:35 PM) yharrow: There will be one in Rochester, hosted by hendrixski
(06:19:42 PM) hendrixski: and it will rock
(06:19:48 PM) yharrow: yeah!
(06:19:54 PM) yharrow: and there will be one in NYC hosted by myself
(06:20:13 PM) samiam010203: i wish i could be there yharrow :)
(06:20:15 PM) yharrow: the one in Rochester will be held at a cafe down the block from the LUGOR installfest
(06:20:18 PM) cyrusjones: And what about NYC?
(06:20:32 PM) cyrusjones: :-)
(06:20:38 PM) cyrusjones: where will it be located?
(06:20:42 PM) yharrow: it will take place on Saturday april 21, at  3 PM
(06:20:56 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: The suspense is killing me.
(06:20:57 PM) yharrow: the one in NYC will be held at a cafe called "think coffee'
(06:21:03 PM) hendrixski: yharrow, at Jitters cafe.. the info on the wiki about it is up to date
(06:21:28 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: Hmm.
(06:21:29 PM) jhendrixfan: hey all, sorry i was at the TV repair shop. this is Seabag on my desktop btw
(06:21:30 PM) yharrow: the NYC party will take place on Sunday April 21, at 3 PM.
(06:21:40 PM) cyrusjones: ???
(06:21:46 PM) yharrow: sorry small typo, the Rochester party is at 3:30PM
(06:22:02 PM) yharrow: and the NYC party is on the 22nd
(06:22:08 PM) cyrusjones: OK
(06:22:08 PM) yharrow: got mixed up for  a second
(06:22:10 PM) hendrixski: jhendrixfan, you're going to confuse people if you change usernames all the time
(06:22:29 PM) yharrow: who is jhendrixfan ?
(06:22:36 PM) jhendrixfan: 'tis me, seabg
(06:22:37 PM) jhendrixfan: seabag
(06:22:40 PM) ausimage: hendrixski: it is an omage toyou
(06:22:51 PM) yharrow: hendrixski: = jhendrixfan ?
(06:22:57 PM) jhendrixfan: yea
(06:22:59 PM) jhendrixfan: er no
(06:23:01 PM) cyrusjones: LOL
(06:23:01 PM) hendrixski: jhendrixfan, and if it's so close to mine...  you can change it back to seabag by clicking on your name just left of where you type stuff in
(06:23:03 PM) jhendrixfan: jhendrixfan knows hendrixski
(06:23:08 PM) yharrow: ahh, ok
(06:23:15 PM) hendrixski: jhendrixfan, a little box pops up and you just change the name
(06:23:17 PM) jhendrixfan: yea im on a whole different compy here
(06:23:20 PM) jhendrixfan: not evne using xchat
(06:23:24 PM) jhendrixfan: hold your horses
(06:23:24 PM) yharrow: ausimage: an homage, as you said, or rather 2 homages to jimmy hendrix
(06:23:31 PM) hendrixski: yharrow, yeah, it's one of my friends that I signed up yesterday
(06:24:01 PM) yharrow: hendrixski:  you mean jhendrixfan is now part of our team?
(06:24:26 PM) hendrixski: he's in rochester, he uses Ubuntu, and he'll be at the release party... so.. yes
(06:24:27 PM) ausimage: Yeah yharrow another one one for Monroe and Rochester
(06:24:48 PM) hendrixski: yharrow, he's on the members list as "seabag"  ... his name's marc
(06:24:56 PM) samiam010203: what other anoucnments do we have yharrow?
(06:24:57 PM) yharrow: hendrixski: sounds great.:D , the more people we can get interested the better
(06:25:19 PM) GNu_Joe: how many member are we up to?
(06:25:30 PM) ausimage: mid 20s I think
(06:25:51 PM) GNu_Joe: want to break 100
(06:25:58 PM) seabag: hhhokei
(06:26:29 PM) hendrixski: 29 I just counted
(06:26:33 PM) ausimage: GNu_Joe: there is a little friendly competition between Rochester Metro and NYC 
(06:26:39 PM) yharrow: samiam010203: other then the fact that oiur membership is booming, and that I'd like to see some activity on the idea thread, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=387941 thats about it.
(06:26:48 PM) hendrixski: wb seabag :-)
(06:26:52 PM) samiam010203: cool yharrow
(06:26:53 PM) yharrow: anyone else have an announcement to make?
(06:26:56 PM) seabag: yarr
(06:27:04 PM) yharrow: seabag: welcome to the team! :D
(06:27:10 PM) GNu_Joe: samiam010203, BTW need 40 cd's so bump your order by at least that much
(06:27:12 PM) seabag: thanks this rules
(06:27:32 PM) samiam010203: i got 80 o9n the way and im email johno about the fesity cds
(06:27:36 PM) yharrow: yeah! we Rule!
(06:27:50 PM) GNu_Joe: question to all, when is the best time for a phone confrence? for the monthly voice meeting?
(06:27:50 PM) hendrixski: the only anouncement I got is that Rochester is all set up and ready for Saturdays release party (except for prizes and CD's)
(06:27:51 PM) ausimage: GNu_Joe: I saw the alotment for feisty today
(06:27:59 PM) yharrow: GNu_Joe: I don't know how many canonical will give me. We should start setting up a way to burn our own CDs at some point
(06:28:06 PM) hendrixski: that includes reservations being made and marketing on its way (but not yet posted)
(06:28:12 PM) cyrusjones: Imprinting is an issue
(06:28:19 PM) cyrusjones: everyone wants professional CDs
(06:28:25 PM) yharrow:  I take it there are no more announcements?
(06:28:39 PM) GNu_Joe: ya wonder if we can just get like bulk printed lables
(06:28:44 PM) cyrusjones: We have the Weekends vs. Weekday thread
(06:28:50 PM) yharrow: sorry, hendrixski  just saw your announcement
(06:29:15 PM) hendrixski: yharrow, that's Ok... I just gave it   :-)~
(06:29:19 PM) ausimage: to quote from the fridge:
(06:29:20 PM) ausimage: Like with Edgy, Feisty CDs will be available to Approved LoCo teams in pre-picked packs. These packs will include the following range of platforms:  200 Ubuntu PC 25 Ubuntu 64bit 30 Kubuntu PC 15 Kubuntu 64bit 30 Edubuntu  
(06:29:37 PM) yharrow: I think that our our only issue right now is funding and CDs,
(06:30:07 PM) yharrow: prizes for the trivia will cost a little about 40$ USD for each party
(06:30:27 PM) yharrow: we can of course cut the number down to 2 prizes instead of 3
(06:30:53 PM) ausimage: yharrow I think I read system76 has the stickers
(06:31:14 PM) cyrusjones: yeah, I have 4 (using 1)
(06:31:28 PM) GNu_Joe: also good news on my front: I have a meeting with the CIO of the local school district about OSS/Edubuntu etc.
(06:31:52 PM) yharrow: here are the prizes and there prices
(06:31:53 PM) yharrow:  Official Ubuntu Book - From Amazon.com   $22.04          Voucher for T-Shirt or actual T-shirt (ships in 2 bsnss days) - Logo on pocket - Logo in Middle         $8.99   Voucher for Mug or actual Mug (ships in 2 bsnss days) - Logo on Left Side      $10.99  Voucher for Hat or actual Hat (ships in 2 bsnss days) - Logo in middle  $12.99   Barnes&Nobles Gift card (they have lots of Linux books)
(06:31:53 PM) yharrow:  15$?
(06:32:09 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: There's an official Ubuntu book? I had no idea.
(06:32:28 PM) yharrow: Zyrshnikashnu: yeah, we would like to give it out as a prize but it cost over 20$
(06:32:28 PM) seabag: neet
(06:32:29 PM) GNu_Joe: Zyrshnikashnu, ya and it's actually good
(06:32:42 PM) cyrusjones: What about a Kubuntu book (i've never seen any other than official ubuntu documentation)
(06:32:46 PM) cyrusjones: :-(
(06:32:49 PM) yharrow: the least expensive item on the list is a custom T-shirt
(06:32:53 PM) samiam010203: i have all the official ubuntu books in ebook format yharrow
(06:32:54 PM) yharrow: which can be viewed here
(06:33:02 PM) GNu_Joe: Zyrshnikashnu, I have a copy and it's one of few tech books I've read
(06:33:07 PM) yharrow: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=125363023
(06:33:29 PM) hendrixski: Maybe you can sell a few shirts for $10 at the event?  that would cover some of the costs?
(06:33:29 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: Nice.
(06:33:29 PM) yharrow: samiam010203: There is no way we could print it though :D
(06:33:50 PM) samiam010203: no but we can give it to the members to read on their computers
(06:33:59 PM) yharrow: hendrixski: that makes sense except that our profit would be 1$ ;)
(06:34:21 PM) yharrow: hendrixski: we couild sell em for 12$ though
(06:34:34 PM) Azbadon: I dont know how many people you expect, but perhaps they would give you a bulk price? Or just up the price a little..
(06:34:37 PM) GNu_Joe: samiam010203, coping anything digital is illegal ;-)
(06:34:41 PM) Azbadon: Or you can suggest that before me =P
(06:34:45 PM) yharrow: Azbadon: I'll go check
(06:35:39 PM) cyrusjones: Out of curiosity, can you print out the Ubuntu documentation and sell it for like $2?
(06:36:12 PM) Azbadon: Good question, since Ubuntu is free and all...
(06:36:17 PM) hendrixski: cyrusjones, depends... if you're selling people the convenience of having printed it.. then YES,  if you're just selling the documentation then NO
(06:36:38 PM) cyrusjones: i meant printing it
(06:36:48 PM) cyrusjones: that's why only for about $2
(06:36:58 PM) cyrusjones: but will it be ready by Sunday?
(06:37:14 PM) yharrow: I opened an account and started a ubuntuny store on cafepress. There currently arent any products but I will add them in a few days
(06:37:20 PM) yharrow: or a bit later
(06:37:20 PM) yharrow: http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntuny
(06:37:22 PM) hendrixski: then yes, because you're selling the service, not the copylefted material.  :-)
(06:37:23 PM) seabag: sweet
(06:38:07 PM) hendrixski: seabag, I think I'll order a few shirts... I like the ones with the logo on the pocket... you want one?  just pay me back for it tomorrow?
(06:38:23 PM) seabag: neh not yet, i have 86056546 shirts
(06:39:15 PM) samiam010203: yharrow is someone going to be taking pictures of the release party ?
(06:39:18 PM) hendrixski: seabag, did your accountant keep track of how many shirts you had too?  that's awefully precise
(06:39:25 PM) seabag: :D
(06:39:26 PM) yharrow: samiam010203: excellent question!
(06:39:44 PM) yharrow: we need someone to bring a camera to each of the parties
(06:40:05 PM) yharrow: also if you plan on attending any of the parties please add your name to RSVP
(06:40:08 PM) yharrow: List on the page
(06:40:13 PM) samiam010203: when i get back to nyc i could do it
(06:40:20 PM) yharrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/FeistyReleaseParty/NYC
(06:40:25 PM) yharrow: and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/FeistyReleaseParty/Rochester
(06:40:31 PM) samiam010203: i have both a digitial camera and digitial video camera
(06:40:42 PM) hendrixski: seabag, you got a digital camera to bring to the Rochester release party?
(06:40:45 PM) yharrow: samiam010203: you will be in nyc for the party?
(06:40:53 PM) samiam010203: no not till may 3rd
(06:41:07 PM) samiam010203: but i will be bringing it to our monthly meetings
(06:42:09 PM) yharrow: samiam010203: sounds cool
(06:42:16 PM) samiam010203: thanks
(06:42:25 PM) yharrow: anyone here attending the NYC party and have a digital camera?
(06:43:16 PM) yharrow: I could probably arrange to get a camera... but would be good if someone else hasone
(06:43:26 PM) samiam010203: yharrow im out now ill catch up tomorrow. everyone have a good/safe evening
(06:44:02 PM) yharrow: ok later
(06:44:14 PM) yharrow: who is still here?
(06:44:18 PM) cyrusjones: me
(06:44:26 PM) Azbadon: Myself
(06:44:27 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: Present
(06:44:29 PM) ausimage: muah
(06:44:34 PM) Azbadon: But I am a mute, for our purposes...
(06:44:54 PM) cyrusjones: Azbadon: that is funny
(06:44:59 PM) ***hendrixski is not here
(06:45:00 PM) ausimage: what is left to discuss in this general meeting?? yharrow
(06:45:08 PM) yharrow: Azbadon: heh. well if you feel like saying anything, feel free to speak up ;)
(06:45:13 PM) yharrow: #
(06:45:13 PM) yharrow: Increase Attendance at meetings
(06:45:13 PM) yharrow: #
(06:45:13 PM) yharrow: Improve management of mailing List
(06:45:13 PM) yharrow: #
(06:45:13 PM) yharrow: Improve management of wiki
(06:45:35 PM) yharrow: the last couple meetings had very poor attendance
(06:45:46 PM) cyrusjones: Promoting Ubuntu?? Increasing funds through selling stuff (sort of covered that already)??
(06:45:46 PM) yharrow: with less then 3 members appearing at the meeting
(06:46:00 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: that is definitel an issue that we should get to today
(06:46:08 PM) cyrusjones: so what does one say to downloading and printing entire documentation (Ubuntu and Kubuntu Desktop Guides) and charge about $2 (or something like that) each?
(06:46:12 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: I would like to resolve the funding issue
(06:46:41 PM) seabag: and whom do we sell these to?
(06:46:48 PM) cyrusjones: ourselves?
(06:46:52 PM) ausimage: hey part of the funding issue my require get a non-profit status ;)
(06:46:54 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: it sounds doable,how many pages is it?
(06:47:02 PM) cyrusjones: don't know
(06:47:09 PM) cyrusjones: it hasn't been released yet
(06:47:10 PM) yharrow: ausimage: good point.
(06:47:21 PM) cyrusjones: should be around like 80-90 pages
(06:47:25 PM) cyrusjones: fairly long
(06:47:46 PM) cyrusjones: Though I think like 20 pages are liscenses (do we need to include that)
(06:47:47 PM) yharrow: ausimage: If we have time later on we will discuss getting a non-profit status, I dunno if we can cover that this meeting
(06:47:57 PM) ausimage: yes cyrusjones
(06:48:07 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: printing it will probably cost us moer then 2$
(06:48:14 PM) ausimage: besides out of curteousy I would also email the authors...
(06:48:19 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: binding it will also cost money
(06:48:40 PM) ***Zyrshnikashnu is installing a webcam driver, so don't mind the silence
(06:48:56 PM) yharrow: Zyrshnikashnu: ok
(06:49:25 PM) ***hendrixski thinks about the increasing meeting attendance issue
(06:49:49 PM) ausimage: perhaps using the mailing list would be helpful...
(06:49:52 PM) cyrusjones: I printed Kubuntu Edgy documentation (though I simply can't print the Feisty- I already printed a lot of pages) and binded with three hole puncher fasteners
(06:49:58 PM) ausimage: NO ONE is using it ;)
(06:50:07 PM) cyrusjones: good point
(06:50:08 PM) yharrow: hendrixski: I think that it would be nice if all of our members commited to attend at least 2 meetings a month.
(06:50:34 PM) ausimage: 2 a month or excused absence ??
(06:50:50 PM) cyrusjones: and then you become inactive?
(06:50:58 PM) ausimage: if not attend then set members inactive?
(06:51:02 PM) ausimage: jinx
(06:51:03 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: I like that idea :)
(06:51:12 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: a little harsh, but neccessary
(06:51:16 PM) cyrusjones: maybe once a month
(06:51:23 PM) cyrusjones: though recommend twice
(06:51:32 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: they will get 2 warnings
(06:51:35 PM) hendrixski: soo... if someone goes on vacation and forgets to tell.. they miss some meetings, and they find out they're not a member?
(06:51:38 PM) ausimage: I think there might be legitimate reasons for not attending....
(06:51:48 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: so 2 months in a row of non-attendance makes you inactive
(06:51:48 PM) cyrusjones: yes
(06:52:00 PM) cyrusjones: i agree on that i guess
(06:52:01 PM) hendrixski: When I was in a fraternity we had the same issue.. people just didn't want to come to meetings
(06:52:03 PM) ausimage: as long as there are active in a project.... 
(06:52:09 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: I mean non-attendance without reason
(06:52:36 PM) hendrixski: we found that punishing people for not attending was counter productive because it resulted in them showing up to NO MEETINGS AT ALL instead of once in a while
(06:52:51 PM) hendrixski: because they were just affraid that they'd show up and it would be uncomfortable
(06:53:06 PM) yharrow: hendrixski:thats a good point
(06:53:07 PM) cyrusjones: whatever we decide we should post on the home page of the wiki
(06:53:07 PM) ausimage: hmmm what about a raffle???
(06:53:08 PM) seabag: yea i agree with you (for once) hendrixski. :D
(06:53:11 PM) hendrixski: It's better to incentivise people to show up to meetings
(06:53:21 PM) yharrow: hendrixski: we should have rewards for showing up and stuff
(06:53:23 PM) cyrusjones: Good point
(06:53:28 PM) hendrixski: for example.  if someone makes 2 meetings each month they should get recognized for it
(06:53:30 PM) cyrusjones: but where do we gut funds from
(06:53:30 PM) ausimage: RAFFLE ;)
(06:53:33 PM) seabag: and in the fraternity, we took a vow to always show up
(06:53:43 PM) cyrusjones: I got an idea
(06:53:49 PM) cyrusjones: we name people of the month
(06:53:50 PM) hendrixski: like on the wiki say "these people are recognized for their dedication"
(06:53:52 PM) cyrusjones: or rather members
(06:53:59 PM) seabag: ya
(06:54:05 PM) hendrixski: cyrusjones, excelent idea
(06:54:07 PM) cyrusjones: who go to all the meetings in a month (or 3/4)
(06:54:26 PM) yharrow: I was about to say we would need to give a physical prize, but recognition is worth more
(06:54:40 PM) ausimage: What about putting those in attendance and participating get their names in a raffle and at the end of the month pull name and get a prize
(06:54:51 PM) cyrusjones: funds?
(06:54:56 PM) yharrow: ausimage: I like that idea, but it will cost us money
(06:55:16 PM) ausimage: the prize does not need to be big....
(06:55:21 PM) yharrow: ausimage: I dislike the idea of membership dues, but Ithink voluntary donations is neccessary at this point
(06:55:37 PM) yharrow: ausimage: we could give them a team , t-shirt/hat/mug
(06:55:39 PM) ***hendrixski seconds the notion of NOT having membership dues
(06:55:58 PM) cyrusjones: non-profit issue should be resolved
(06:56:14 PM) hendrixski: I think yharrow said it best. recognition is worth more to people than any physical prize
(06:56:20 PM) ausimage: yeah... need explore parentship and all that as well...
(06:56:25 PM) cyrusjones: I agree with yharrow, no dues required but dues get you a t-shirt, etc.
(06:56:37 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: ausimage  put up a page for all those willing to get involved in arranging our nonprofit status
(06:56:37 PM) cyrusjones: mean donations
(06:57:03 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: like a recognized supporter t-shirt
(06:57:06 PM) ausimage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/503c
(06:57:11 PM) seabag: <- has bbq sauce all over his kb
(06:57:15 PM) cyrusjones: I don't have much exdperience with non-profit organizations, but will read up on it
(06:57:20 PM) cyrusjones: yharrow: exactly
(06:57:21 PM) yharrow: just out of curiosity who here is able to pledge money to the teams cause?
(06:57:30 PM) yharrow: I pledge 15$
(06:57:31 PM) hendrixski: Motion to bring this to a vote... all who are in favor of keeping a list on the wiki of people who attend 3 meetings each month say aye, all opposed say nay
(06:57:40 PM) cyrusjones: aye
(06:57:48 PM) hendrixski: aye
(06:57:49 PM) seabag: aye cap'n
(06:57:55 PM) cyrusjones: unanimous?
(06:57:56 PM) yharrow: aye
(06:57:56 PM) ***ausimage aye
(06:57:56 PM) GNu_Joe: nay
(06:58:03 PM) yharrow: GNu_Joe: whys that/
(06:58:24 PM) cyrusjones: maybe it's a waste of time in his opinion
(06:58:26 PM) GNu_Joe: I alway have the desending vote
(06:58:32 PM) yharrow: GNu_Joe: lal :D
(06:58:36 PM) hendrixski: at this point still the ayes have it
(06:58:46 PM) GNu_Joe: as long as you contribute that's good enough for me
(06:58:47 PM) hendrixski: the opposition can suck it  :-)~  lol
(06:58:53 PM) cyrusjones: it would waste resources possibly, but I still vote in favor
(06:58:55 PM) ausimage: yeah true
(06:59:04 PM) cyrusjones: GNu_Joe is leader of opposition party
(06:59:16 PM) hendrixski: splitters!!!
(06:59:27 PM) yharrow: GNu_Joe: people who attend 3 /4 meetings each month will be recognized, peopel who dont attend will not be as recognized unless they are very active during the week
(06:59:29 PM) seabag: yarr! forkers!!
(06:59:38 PM) ***hendrixski wonders if anyone else saw "life of brian" and got the "splitters" reference
(06:59:49 PM) cyrusjones: hendrixski: nope
(07:00:17 PM) seabag: hendrixski how do you do the "self wonders" thing
(07:00:25 PM) yharrow: We need a way of managing Team tasks
(07:00:35 PM) yharrow: up until recently we had a "Projects page"
(07:00:43 PM) yharrow: where all tasks were listed
(07:00:48 PM) cyrusjones: are we supposed to have a username and passowrd
(07:00:55 PM) cyrusjones: for things like projects
(07:00:57 PM) hendrixski: seabag, the same way we do it on Gaim for company meetings :-)  /me wonders...
(07:01:21 PM) seabag: hendrixski ohh
(07:01:24 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: we played with the idea of having a project manager with login
(07:01:29 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: didnt work out so well
(07:01:38 PM) ausimage: yharrow the basic bpm does work
(07:01:44 PM) cyrusjones: yharrow: i see
(07:01:45 PM) ***seabag figured out how to use the slash me
(07:01:50 PM) yharrow: ausimage: what is the link of the working version?
(07:01:58 PM) ***Azbadon slashes you
(07:02:01 PM) yharrow: :D
(07:02:06 PM) hendrixski: ouch
(07:02:22 PM) ***cyrusjones likes to get Feisty rockin'
(07:02:34 PM) ***hendrixski wonders who will maintain the list of those recognized for their commitment
(07:02:35 PM) ausimage: yharrow I can send out something to the list if there is interest in trying to use that
(07:02:55 PM) seabag: haha
(07:02:55 PM) cyrusjones: Another thing
(07:03:02 PM) cyrusjones: should we make a form for new users
(07:03:23 PM) cyrusjones: before I heard a few people say wiki might be hard for new users
(07:03:34 PM) ausimage: cyrusjones:  I have it on my todo list...
(07:03:38 PM) cyrusjones: We could make a forum thread for new users
(07:03:39 PM) yharrow: ausimage: I'd like to experiment with bpm a bit more before we move it to mainstream use
(07:03:50 PM) ausimage: ahh K
(07:03:53 PM) hendrixski: seabag, that's your cue.... how hard do you think that wiki is for new users
(07:04:07 PM) cyrusjones: Azbadon: what do you say
(07:04:09 PM) yharrow: ausimage: you could send a mail out about the parties though
(07:04:19 PM) ausimage: yeah sure can...
(07:04:23 PM) Azbadon: Im sorry, Cyrus?
(07:04:29 PM) seabag: welp the front page says, "to find out how to join, click the members page"
(07:04:30 PM) Azbadon: About the forum for new users?
(07:04:31 PM) yharrow: ausimage: also, please either make me an admin of the mailing list, or send me login info (yharrow AT gmail DOT com)
(07:04:35 PM) hendrixski: cyrusjones, not everyone is on the forums
(07:04:52 PM) cyrusjones: Azbadon: do you think it is hard to join the team (like adding yourself to the wiki)
(07:05:06 PM) ausimage: seabag I made an adjustment on the members page
(07:05:17 PM) Azbadon: Personally, I do not know much about the Wiki.
(07:05:21 PM) cyrusjones: Azbadon: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam
(07:05:22 PM) Azbadon: I was just introduced today.
(07:05:23 PM) seabag: o neet  ok
(07:05:23 PM) yharrow: seabag: so the first thing you do when you see our team, is visit our members page?
(07:05:25 PM) ***hendrixski has to go soon
(07:06:05 PM) seabag: ahh neat ok
(07:06:10 PM) seabag: yea i like the new setup
(07:06:13 PM) yharrow: sebag how difficult is it for you too edit a wiki
(07:06:21 PM) seabag: i can edit wikis thanks to hendrixski
(07:06:27 PM) seabag: :D
(07:06:35 PM) seabag: but still for most people...
(07:06:44 PM) yharrow: btw,can anyone else pledge money to the cause?
(07:06:54 PM) seabag: basically i fix windells all the livelong day, so next time i do one i'm gonna put ubuntu on and recommend they join this group
(07:06:55 PM) ***yharrow pledged 15$
(07:07:04 PM) seabag: not yet but eventually i'll pledge $
(07:07:09 PM) hendrixski: yeah, my girlfriend had a hell of a time trying to edit that wiki... I basicly had to do it for her... and she just started contributing to wikipedia last week
(07:07:11 PM) yharrow: we should have a pledge page
(07:07:27 PM) yharrow: I say that making a new member form is top priority
(07:07:35 PM) hendrixski: second
(07:07:53 PM) seabag: hey im calling my buddy steve now. he uses ubuntu once in a while
(07:08:01 PM) ausimage: yharrow I will get on the new form ASAP
(07:08:05 PM) yharrow: I am going to reinsate a Projects page on the wiki w/e I get the chance
(07:08:08 PM) seabag: and he's a linux wizard
(07:08:22 PM) cyrusjones: I say forum as a temporary solution; but many people don't use forums
(07:08:23 PM) ausimage: GO ROCHESTER
(07:08:46 PM) yharrow: seabag, sounds awesome :)
(07:08:48 PM) cyrusjones: Form is a good idea, implementing with SVG would be even cooler
(07:09:06 PM) ausimage: everyone I have the db backend stuff to just hook up a DB Form... no probs just NEED TIME
(07:09:15 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: we are in for the "productive factor" before the "cool factor"
(07:09:26 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: sorry
(07:09:33 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: misunderstood for a minute
(07:09:36 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: Where would I put a modprobe line to run at boot?
(07:09:43 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: yeah implementing with svg, would rock
(07:10:08 PM) yharrow: ok, to wrap up the attendance, issue. what is our final solution?
(07:10:32 PM) ausimage: have levels of participation....
(07:10:32 PM) hendrixski: bye all
(07:10:38 PM) yharrow: later hendrixski
(07:10:50 PM) ausimage: attend and particpate or work on project ACTIVE
(07:10:57 PM) ausimage: otherwise INACTIVE
(07:11:24 PM) seabag: taek care guys, im off!
(07:11:26 PM) cyrusjones: maybe too strict
(07:11:28 PM) cyrusjones: ?
(07:11:31 PM) cyrusjones: i dunno
(07:11:35 PM) yharrow: later seabag
(07:11:46 PM) yharrow: so there will be a MemberStatus wiki page to determine who is active?
(07:12:23 PM) ausimage: yharrow can that not be intergrated into the member page itself?
(07:12:24 PM) yharrow:  /Members/Status
(07:12:43 PM) yharrow: ausimage: like a new column?
(07:12:54 PM) ausimage: yeah or diff color ??
(07:12:58 PM) yharrow: ausimage: yeah that would work
(07:13:32 PM) yharrow: do we need an attendance check list?
(07:13:41 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: what part is too strict?
(07:13:56 PM) ausimage: hmmm I think just looking over meeting logs would suffice for now
(07:14:10 PM) cyrusjones: making people inactive
(07:14:14 PM) yharrow: ausimage: we could use a bot
(07:14:26 PM) ausimage: possibly
(07:14:32 PM) cyrusjones: you know what hendrixski said
(07:14:47 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: there is no punishment for being inactive, just less rewards
(07:14:51 PM) cyrusjones: but i'm not against the idea
(07:16:04 PM) yharrow: ok so for now we will use the logs and make a column in the members page
(07:16:08 PM) yharrow: Issue resolved
(07:16:53 PM) yharrow: ok lets wrap up the funding issue
(07:16:58 PM) yharrow: you guys still with me?
(07:17:03 PM) cyrusjones: yharrow: should ausimage and I get info on non-profit and make a iki page
(07:17:05 PM) cyrusjones: yes
(07:17:43 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: yes that would be good. You could probably work with the wiki page that ausimage has already made, and somehow integrate it
(07:18:30 PM) cyrusjones: where is the wiki page
(07:18:38 PM) ausimage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/503c
(07:18:49 PM) yharrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/503c
(07:19:04 PM) cyrusjones: LOL
(07:19:07 PM) cyrusjones: jinx
(07:19:09 PM) yharrow: jinx!
(07:19:15 PM) yharrow: jinx - jinx
(07:19:44 PM) cyrusjones: i'll make a link to page on resources
(07:20:35 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: yeah it really is more of a resource page. We will need to make a BecomingNonProfit page in documentation as well
(07:21:13 PM) yharrow: so non profit issue being worked on?
(07:21:31 PM) ausimage: yeah... needs to be at least explored...
(07:22:04 PM) yharrow: as far as pledges go, should we make a pledge page and link to it under contributions?
(07:22:23 PM) ausimage: get your name on the page when you pledge...
(07:22:30 PM) ausimage: ??
(07:22:42 PM) yharrow: we will allow people to pledge time money and /or resources
(07:22:52 PM) yharrow: yeah
(07:23:44 PM) yharrow: when pledges are filled, we will check them off and move then to a sponsors list
(07:23:54 PM) ausimage: cool....
(07:24:00 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: That certification is written in high-level legalese.
(07:24:45 PM) yharrow: sponsors who donate a certain amount,will have a gold/silver sponsor status and will receive a special reward/award
(07:25:04 PM) ausimage: sponsors should probably included on the website as wekk
(07:25:07 PM) ausimage: *wll
(07:25:11 PM) ausimage: #well
(07:25:19 PM) yharrow: yeah, like a sponsors page
(07:26:25 PM) yharrow: should people appear on the website official list of sponsors regardless fo what they give?
(07:26:36 PM) ausimage: hmmm....
(07:27:07 PM) yharrow: ausimage: we can do that, we will just make it really small print and put it on the bottom of the list if they give 50cents for example
(07:27:23 PM) ausimage: yeah that works
(07:28:29 PM) yharrow: we will people who come to the party for a voluntary donation of about 5$
(07:28:39 PM) yharrow: we will make a small anouncement about it
(07:29:15 PM) ausimage: hmmm where is the money going to be put????
(07:29:16 PM) yharrow: prizes may in fact cost us over 30$ per party
(07:29:26 PM) yharrow: ausimage: we need a team treasurer
(07:29:43 PM) ausimage: I know most banks do not allow organizations to have personal accounts
(07:29:47 PM) yharrow: ausimage: we should vote for one at some points
(07:30:25 PM) ausimage: we need to be held accountable if money is given
(07:31:24 PM) yharrow: Zyrshnikashnu: which certification are you recfering to/
(07:31:29 PM) ausimage: possibly if there is no non-profit status.... 
(07:31:34 PM) yharrow: reffering to*
(07:31:53 PM) ausimage: but also people like to be assured the money is being used for its intended purpose
(07:31:57 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: ausimage: The 503c NYS one. I was just making a joke. ;)
(07:32:25 PM) yharrow: ausimage: well, I rather have to give taxes, then have no funding at all at this point. I think the sooner we have nonprofit status probably the better
(07:32:35 PM) yharrow: ausimage: I think cyrusjones is willing to work with you on that
(07:32:39 PM) ausimage: yeah....
(07:33:15 PM) yharrow: ausimage: some money will need to come out of our own pockets though for the party.
(07:33:18 PM) cyrusjones: sorry
(07:33:20 PM) cyrusjones: back
(07:33:20 PM) ausimage: hmmm we really need a lawyer that uses Ubuntu in the State of New York
(07:33:30 PM) cyrusjones: yes
(07:33:42 PM) yharrow: ausimage: I think that having a trivia with prizes is  good thing to do
(07:33:52 PM) ausimage: yeah....
(07:34:43 PM) yharrow: ausimage: I already pledged 15$ if we can come up with about 50 $ more we will have everything covered
(07:35:05 PM) ausimage: cool... 
(07:35:28 PM) ausimage: though I don't have much to give at this point...
(07:35:28 PM) yharrow: ausimage: we will need to keep a record of how much money is collected.
(07:36:02 PM) yharrow: ausimage: donations are voluntary, 1$ is good enough from my point of view.
(07:36:19 PM) ausimage: yharrow perhaps you should go to Bank of America tomorrow and see what needs to be done about an account
(07:36:31 PM) yharrow: ausimage: why the bank of america?
(07:37:04 PM) ausimage: um it is state wide.... and that way us up here can goto the local branch to hand over moner
(07:37:08 PM) ausimage: *money...
(07:37:27 PM) yharrow: what about chase?
(07:38:03 PM) ausimage: not sure... I just know that there is a bank of america here....
(07:38:03 PM) yharrow: jp morgan chase
(07:38:19 PM) yharrow: ausimage:  you might be right.
(07:38:34 PM) ausimage: well perhaps explore the bank situation as a leader of the group....
(07:39:37 PM) yharrow: ausimage: yeah, I will do that.
(07:39:46 PM) yharrow: lemme put it on to do list
(07:39:57 PM) ausimage: you can let the non-profit committe know what you found...
(07:41:05 PM) cyrusjones: Most states require nonprofit corporations to have a minimum of three directors
(07:41:22 PM) cyrusjones: that shouldn't apply
(07:41:34 PM) cyrusjones: i think that's for different law
(07:41:37 PM) yharrow: ausimage:  ok, speaking of which, we should have a committee page in the wiki
(07:41:49 PM) ausimage: cyrus we have a lot to look at... ;)
(07:42:17 PM) yharrow: ausimage: the new member form should let people check which committees they are interested in joining
(07:42:20 PM) ausimage: cyrusjones: I also know there is cap before you have to rregister with the charities office
(07:42:37 PM) cyrusjones: ausimage: i believe so
(07:42:45 PM) cyrusjones: I have to leave now
(07:42:51 PM) yharrow: cyrusjones: take care
(07:42:52 PM) ausimage: cool email 
(07:42:53 PM) yharrow: bye
(07:43:14 PM) ***cyrusjones says "MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU"
(07:43:16 PM) yharrow: also, someone needs to add us tot he confirmed parties page :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseParties
(07:43:19 PM) cyrusjones: Bye
(07:43:54 PM) ausimage: I can do that right quick
(07:44:03 PM) yharrow: ausimage: ok, before you do though
(07:44:13 PM) ausimage: what?
(07:44:21 PM) yharrow: ausimage: are there any other issues that need to be discussed?
(07:44:34 PM) ausimage: concerning which?
(07:44:42 PM) yharrow: concerning the team
(07:44:43 PM) yharrow: I think the only other issue was the mailing list one
(07:45:10 PM) yharrow: in that, we need to make more frequent mailings, and we need to make a documentation page for posting to the mailing list
(07:45:34 PM) Azbadon: Good night all
(07:45:43 PM) Azbadon: Thanks for letting me in =-)
(07:45:49 PM) yharrow: gnight Azbadon I hope you enjoyed the meeting
(07:45:50 PM) ausimage: ahhh yharrow I think there needs to be more communication with those who chose to lead a projects
(07:45:57 PM) Azbadon: Back next week
(07:46:13 PM) yharrow: ausimage: yeah, we need our project page back
(07:46:24 PM) yharrow: ausimage: at least until bpm is done
(07:46:44 PM) ausimage: back to wiki hell
(07:47:02 PM) yharrow: ausimage: agreed, iw ill make it simpler though this time. no tables, only bulleted lists
(07:47:07 PM) ausimage: Unless we seperate out the projects
(07:47:35 PM) yharrow:  ausimage, tables are too messsy IMHO
(07:47:49 PM) ausimage: ahhh but it keeps things organized
(07:47:58 PM) yharrow: ausimage: I love that!
(07:48:09 PM) ausimage: what?
(07:48:17 PM) yharrow: ausimage: beautiful irony
(07:48:22 PM) ausimage: :D
(07:48:32 PM) ausimage: the meeting done then?
(07:48:37 PM) yharrow: Tables are messy things that keep things organized
(07:49:07 PM) yharrow: ausimage: there is more I'd like to discuss, but we are out of time
(07:49:31 PM) ausimage: cool we need to discuss the mailing list at some point I guess... 
(07:50:32 PM) yharrow: ausimage: next voice meeting will be held 6PM May 24, next  IRC meeting will be Held 6PM May 1st 2007,
(07:50:46 PM) ausimage: k
(07:51:14 PM) yharrow: ausimage: we will probably use the same conference service.
(07:51:32 PM) ausimage: that is goodd
(07:51:47 PM) yharrow: ausimage: at some point we need to brush up the logs and summaries of the meetings
(07:51:51 PM) yharrow: weve come a long way
(07:51:55 PM) yharrow: a very long way
(07:51:58 PM) ausimage: yeah
(07:52:04 PM) yharrow: I think thats it for today
(07:52:25 PM) yharrow: Meeting adjourned
(07:53:06 PM) ***yharrow wipes brow, and sips iced tea
(07:53:09 PM) yharrow: :D
(07:53:15 PM) ***yharrow smiles contendedly
(07:53:41 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: Hmm...
(07:53:51 PM) Zyrshnikashnu: I seem to have missed the end. :P
(07:54:33 PM) yharrow: meeting adjourned